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2012-04-02 07:40:03 PM  

halB: bugontherug:
If the evidence is as I stated it, it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt. In fact, it's the only reasonable inference. Certainly, it is sufficient to permit a jury to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman instigated the fight. See also my follow up post.

If Zimmerman in fact lied to the police about screaming for help, he is in big trouble.

Well, OF COURSE if the evidence is exactly as you have stated it, and you didn't fail to foresee anything else, then sure he's guilty. And it can work the other way too. But neither of us know. So wait until you lynch.


Someone suggested, in response to my recitation of evidence showing the strong inference that Zimmerman instigated the confronation that Zimmerman instigating the confrontation could not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

So thank you for agreeing with me. It can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt on facts already widely known to be true (with the possible exception of one). It's good we see eye to eye.
 
2012-04-02 07:40:05 PM  
 
2012-04-02 07:40:06 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: At least I have some credibility at all. The people presuming guilt have none whatsoever.


You're capable of making a decent argument. I may not agree with your position, but you can at least put forth a proposition and make some kind of case for it. While some people on Fark are too stubborn to listen, there are some here who will listen to you and possibly even change their own position based on arguments you present.

But when you call people "sheep" or "a mob," you turn around and throw all that work away.

Which is more important to you? The satisfaction of insulting people who are (at least in your view) closed-minded? Or convincing somebody of something?
 
2012-04-02 07:40:06 PM  

Weaver95: well..ok, but why is there no evidence on Martin's body that shows he was involved in a fight?


Class 5 mutant with latent but limited telekinetic powers
 
2012-04-02 07:40:32 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: Dr. Mojo PhD: 2 : heighten, increase; especially : to increase or improve in value, quality, desirability, or attractiveness <enhanced the room with crown molding>

Odd, isn't it, that the words "contrast", "levels", "sharpness", or, for that matter, "gamma", "gamut", "resolution", or any number of other things you can do to an image don't appear there.

Those adjustments can improve value, desirability, and attractiveness.


From an aesthetic standpoint, maybe. From an information standpoint, no. The information is already contained in the image regardless of the adjustments run on the image, it's just math. Nothing is "enhanced". There is no magic involved. The news report is assuring us that this is an "enhancement", and it's not. That would involve magic. It's an adjustment, which is probably a better word than alteration, since that implies they're inserting data (which they aren't, either, any more than the image is conjuring new data to work with).

An adjustment, and nothing more.
 
2012-04-02 07:40:41 PM  

Indubitably: The DBS: tenpoundsofcheese: netweavr: So by digitally editing a video we can see welts?

.

that, along with the police report and along with the eyewitness report about his nose and back of head, yeah.

All other evidence, including witnesses, don't mean shiat unless it agrees with what we've already decided.

Neighborhood Watch guy acts like a Neighborhood Watch guy and asks kid he doesn't recognize why he's in the neighborhood. Normally that would be considered a good thing. Kid says he's visiting with his dad. Zimmerman says "Um, Okay." Because he's not sure if he should believe it or not, but the cops are on their way anyway so it doesn't matter. He heads back towards his truck. Kid thinks "WTF? A black man can't walk without getting hassled by some spic?" Chases down Zimmerman and knocks his old ass down (old to a 17 year old). Then he starts slamming Zimmerman into the pavement, but doesn't realize that short, fat asthmatic guys tend to carry guns if they think they might have to deal with thugs.

The end.

It's probably pretty close to what happened. I was a dumbass thug at 17 too. I'd be pissed if some guy was hassling me for walking around in his neighborhood and I probably would have punched him at that age over the imaginary slight. Kid's are dumb, they do dumb things. Unfortunately for Trayvon it was the last dumb thing he'll ever do.

Most of you have an opinon that was shaped by the media. You're sheep and you don't even know it.

Wrong.

Dumbass kid is no match for a man.

Where was the man?

Oh yeah, he was the Neighborhood Watch Pseudo-Man.

P.S. I've never met a 17 yr old kid that could take me yet, and I'm a man... ;)

p.p.s. MEN DON'T FIGHT/kill KIDS, THEY LEAD THEM. apologies for shouting...

p.p.p.s. taht is mall

p4s: i don't care if a kid got a punch or two on me; i'd laugh and ask "wtf rudoin'?"

p5s: "kid, slow down friend, i just want to know what yer doing, and i don't want to kill you, but i did, "but" is one of the dumbest words in the ...


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAHA
 
2012-04-02 07:41:51 PM  

bulldg4life: Indubitably: No, it doesn't.
Gold grill doesn't scare me.
Do you read much?
Pix mean nothing to me.
Kid is kid.
I am adult.
Read it twice, at least, REAL slow.
;)

When you changed accounts, did you forget how to speak english?


Oh, Fark dude, you just spelt dumb.

i.e. you.

;)
 
2012-04-02 07:42:59 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: osafer: Dr. Mojo PhD: enhancing

merriam-webster would disagree with you...

Uh nope, just looked it up:

1 obsolete : raise
2 : heighten, increase; especially : to increase or improve in value, quality, desirability, or attractiveness <enhanced the room with crown molding>

Odd, isn't it, that the words "contrast", "levels", "sharpness", or, for that matter, "gamma", "gamut", "resolution", or any number of other things you can do to an image don't appear there.

Oh, that's right, no it isn't. Because those things aren't "enhancing". They're "altering".


All those things you listed are "qualities" of an image.
 
2012-04-02 07:43:32 PM  

ciberido: Case in point: any valid point The DBS might have had is totally invalidated by his use of "sheep" there.


You mean exactly like how anything Dr. Mojo might say in this thread is invalidated by him calling people "skippy" when he has no better reply? Is that what you mean?
 
2012-04-02 07:43:49 PM  
Looking at http://forensicprotection.com/process.html, a very small number of the methods listed apply.

#3 would be helpful to some small extent.
#4 might be helpful, but it isn't clear what this means.
#5 Simply makes no sense.
#6 Would be great, but I don't know of any workable implementations of the idea from the literature in SPIE (where I would assume this would be published)

The other items don't seem to apply to this case. Looking at the company brochure (http://forensicprotection.com/Brochure.pdf), I don't see any reason to believe this company is capable of implementing these algorithms. His experience as a bodyguard would not seem to apply.
 
2012-04-02 07:43:55 PM  

bugontherug: halB: bugontherug:
If the evidence is as I stated it, it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt. In fact, it's the only reasonable inference. Certainly, it is sufficient to permit a jury to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman instigated the fight. See also my follow up post.

If Zimmerman in fact lied to the police about screaming for help, he is in big trouble.

Well, OF COURSE if the evidence is exactly as you have stated it, and you didn't fail to foresee anything else, then sure he's guilty. And it can work the other way too. But neither of us know. So wait until you lynch.

Someone suggested, in response to my recitation of evidence showing the strong inference that Zimmerman instigated the confronation that Zimmerman instigating the confrontation could not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

So thank you for agreeing with me. It can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt on facts already widely known to be true (with the possible exception of one). It's good we see eye to eye.


I don't think there is any consensus or even remotely accurate portrayal of known facts to this point. I doubt even the police and feds have more than a muddled picture at this point. I think you're vastly overestimating the veracity of your portrayal.
 
2012-04-02 07:43:59 PM  
The fact that the "enhancement" was done by ABC and not a reputable, trustworthy source with nothing to gain from it - it just really makes just makes the entire substance of this thread and that article a joke. It's not like it was done by a law enforcement specialist. ABC did it. ABC. They "re-digitized" it. WTF does that mean? Converted it to 35mm then back to digital? Or is re-digitize the technical term for drawing an oval and boosting the brightness up for the selected area? It's like Montel investigating childhood obesity. Yay ratings, damn the science.

/imo, that does not look at all like an injury one would sustain in a scuffle. It's just a shadowy 'X'.
 
2012-04-02 07:44:15 PM  
Another 600+ thread that resolves absolutely nothing. The only person that really knows what happened is Zimmerman, and he can't be found. Everything else is speculation.
 
2012-04-02 07:44:36 PM  

Rincewind53: I know how to enhance this thing!

[img.photobucket.com image 640x499]


WIN!
 
2012-04-02 07:44:55 PM  

The DBS: tenpoundsofcheese: netweavr: So by digitally editing a video we can see welts?

.

that, along with the police report and along with the eyewitness report about his nose and back of head, yeah.

All other evidence, including witnesses, don't mean shiat unless it agrees with what we've already decided.

Neighborhood Watch guy acts like a Neighborhood Watch guy and asks kid he doesn't recognize why he's in the neighborhood. Normally that would be considered a good thing. Kid says he's visiting with his dad. Zimmerman says "Um, Okay." Because he's not sure if he should believe it or not, but the cops are on their way anyway so it doesn't matter. He heads back towards his truck. Kid thinks "WTF? A black man can't walk without getting hassled by some spic?" Chases down Zimmerman and knocks his old ass down (old to a 17 year old). Then he starts slamming Zimmerman into the pavement, but doesn't realize that short, fat asthmatic guys tend to carry guns if they think they might have to deal with thugs.

The end.

It's probably pretty close to what happened. I was a dumbass thug at 17 too. I'd be pissed if some guy was hassling me for walking around in his neighborhood and I probably would have punched him at that age over the imaginary slight. Kid's are dumb, they do dumb things. Unfortunately for Trayvon it was the last dumb thing he'll ever do.

Most of you have an opinon that was shaped by the media. You're sheep and you don't even know it.


Projecting much?
My default bias is anti the guy with the gun following the kid down the ally (Hey I admit it). But, the voice expert on the earlier thread and the idea of enhanced video are both equally bullshiat pseudo science being given to us by the media feeding frenzy.
So, knowing my bias, when I look at a story like this I try to keep a clear head and NOT TO IMAGINE THINGS BASED ON NO EVIDENCE. I could imagine a story where there was a 2nd gunman behind a grassy knoll, doesn't make it real but your story is just that. It is your pre-conceived ideas wrapped in your own internet tough guy teenage fantasy.

Who hit who?
Who was on top?
Who called for help?
Who was bleeding?
Who had defensive wounds?

Who cares, some guy with a gun followed a kid on his way home from the corner store for no justifiable reason. You can say "Neighborhood Watch guy acts like a Neighborhood Watch guy and asks kid he doesn't recognize why he's in the neighborhood. Normally that would be considered a good thing."
I say Neighbourhood Watch does not equal vigilante. I say even if there was no death here and I just heard about a story like this in my local rag about a guy following a kid...
I would be asking what the hell was he thinking. See something? Call the cops. That is how Neighbourhood watch works. Not, tail the suspect, apprehend the imagined perp...

You know, at this point you could show me proof that the kid had a million dollars worth of stolen skittles shoved up his hoodie and I would still say there was no need to tail him and no need for guns.

So, it looks like Mr Zimmerman is going to need to write a song about the man the authorities didn't blame for something that he actually done.
 
2012-04-02 07:45:01 PM  

Weaver95: well..ok, but why is there no evidence on Martin's body that shows he was involved in a fight?


Has the coroner's report been released already?
 
2012-04-02 07:45:21 PM  

Party Boy: Moar Milage

2012-03-28 11:18:27 PM

[i.imgur.com image 580x800]

You have the original of that first image, Party Boy?

 
2012-04-02 07:45:32 PM  

JPSimonetti: The fact that the _______ was done by _____ and not a reputable, trustworthy source with nothing to gain from it - it just really makes just makes the entire substance of this thread and that article a joke. It's not like it was done by a law enforcement specialist.



Just reuse this for the next thread. Fill the appropriate blanks.
 
2012-04-02 07:45:37 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: The first felony act would be the first throwing of a punch (assault and battery). After that, self defense with force is legal. Unfortunately for the mob, asking someone "What are you doing here" is neither a crime, nor grounds for forcible defense.


Or the grabbing of an arm, to prevent the other person from leaving and avoiding your questions.

There are multiple ways the initial encounter could have played out. None of out here knows how exactly it went down.

And if you do claim certainty as to who grabbed/punched whom, you are just as responsible for Martins death as Zimmerman is. Why? Because, with that level of inside knowledge, obviously you were standing right there and should have been able to diffuse the situation.
 
2012-04-02 07:46:11 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: osafer: Dr. Mojo PhD: enhancing

merriam-webster would disagree with you...

Uh nope, just looked it up:

1 obsolete : raise
2 : heighten, increase; especially : to increase or improve in value, quality, desirability, or attractiveness <enhanced the room with crown molding>

Odd, isn't it, that the words "contrast", "levels", "sharpness", or, for that matter, "gamma", "gamut", "resolution", or any number of other things you can do to an image don't appear there.

Oh, that's right, no it isn't. Because those things aren't "enhancing". They're "altering".


I really don't want to get into a useless argument with you, but you are grasping at straws, They may have "heightened" the contrast levels, they also might have "increased" the gamma or improved the desired portion of the video. But that doesn't fit into the argument you want to put forward, so you must attack....
 
2012-04-02 07:46:13 PM  

Rincewind53: I know how to enhance this thing!

[img.photobucket.com image 640x499]


This.

/wait, what?
 
2012-04-02 07:46:31 PM  
And nothing will be done to address the cause of this problem - that there wasn't enough police presence to stop or deter robberies in the area.
 
2012-04-02 07:46:41 PM  

Xenomech: This case is a fascinating example of the media's ability to manipulate the opinions of the masses. It's amazing how little it takes to trick people into rooting for the drug dealer and reviling the neighborhood watch volunteer.


You're saying Trayvon Martin was convicted of dealing drugs? You have some proof of this alleged conviction?
 
2012-04-02 07:46:42 PM  

ciberido: But when you call people "sheep" or "a mob," you turn around and throw all that work away


Unless the people I'm calling a mob are a mob, of course. Such as the rallies and organizations calling for violence on Zimmerman.

In which case it is just a true statement.
 
2012-04-02 07:47:14 PM  

Rindred: You have the original of that first image, Party Boy?


I do believe that came up under a GIS for "Butt Crack." Probably someone famous + some pooparatzi d-bag. Who else is going to get a pic like this?
 
2012-04-02 07:47:58 PM  
Jumptoconclusionsmat.jpg
 
2012-04-02 07:48:09 PM  

ciberido: Xenomech: This case is a fascinating example of the media's ability to manipulate the opinions of the masses. It's amazing how little it takes to trick people into rooting for the drug dealer and reviling the neighborhood watch volunteer.

You're saying Trayvon Martin was convicted of dealing drugs? You have some proof of this alleged conviction?


I think he just said he was a drug dealer, not that he was ever convicted of the crime. It's a pretty complicated sentence, though, so I may be misreading it.
 
2012-04-02 07:49:12 PM  

ciberido: Xenomech: This case is a fascinating example of the media's ability to manipulate the opinions of the masses. It's amazing how little it takes to trick people into rooting for the drug dealer and reviling the neighborhood watch volunteer.

You're saying Trayvon Martin was convicted of dealing drugs? You have some proof of this alleged conviction?


yes. he's black, and also fox news
 
2012-04-02 07:50:05 PM  
Is it me or does all this vaguely remind you of Boardwalk Empire, when the Jewish Prohi tells the prisoner he is transporting "you shouldn't have done that...lunging at my gun like that....I have no choice but to defend myself" shoots the guy dead in cold blood, then finds a rock and bashes his own head. Self-defense in the line of duty.

I would like to think that Zimmerman started shiat, Martin opened the whoop ass, and as Zimmerman was realizing the credo "Don't start no shiat wouldn't be no shiat." plugs one in Martin since he was having his head bashed on the concrete.

BUT....still can't see any blood on his clothes...and being that blood is affected by gravity just like everything else, and according to Zimmerman Martin was ON TOP OF HIM when he fired his shot, I call bullshiat. Oh, and if it wasn't Zimmerman calling for help and he made a false statement to police, that makes things even more suspicious. And if he WAS popped in the nose unsuspecting so hard that his nose broke and he was temporarily knocked out and fell to the ground, I can assure you that if Martin climbed on top of him to bash his head in the sidewalk, Zimmerman's head would be way more contused....ie his brains would be leaking out of his head.

OH, but if he stalked him, then shot him from a distance while Martin was screaming for help, so as to not get blood on his clothes, I bet even an idiot could think of the idea to self-inflict a wound. Then again, going with the MO of him being a pussy ass biatch, he wouldn't inflict an injury serious enough to call life threatening, ie bleeding profusely with maybe even a fractured skull, so he roughed himself just at the upper limit of his pain threshold, which for a vile coward like him would mean scratches that don't even merit the need for a piece of gauze.

I've gotten worse head injuries hitting my head on the kitchen cabinet. It must be just that I'm a undiagnosed hemophiliac who miraculously made it through 8 seasons of football. This guy didn't even need sutures afterwards.

OR MAYBE, JUST MAYBE George Zimmerman is a cold-blooded racist murderer hiding behind a poorly written piece of shiatty legislation.
 
2012-04-02 07:50:25 PM  
I have not followed this very closely, but one observation I can make, the media attention has completely killed any chance for real justice in this case.

Now this is what I have gathered of the 2 parties so far please correct me if I am wrong:

Zimmerman was playing the part of the self important neighborhood watch captain cop wanna be out "patrolling" to keep his streets "safe" while carrying a gun and having absolutely no situational or appropriate use of deadly force training.

Martin was out making a store run during half-time, dressed as most young men his age dress, he was in a hurry and was moving along at more than a leisurely pace taking shortcuts etc.

They both thought the other was up to no good, one called the cops the other called his sister. They started yelling at each other, a fight ensued and Zimmerman shot Martin.

The police originally did not charge Zimmerman with a crime (bad police work in my opinion), then public opinion got the case reopened (good community work)

If it had ended there justice may have been served, but with all the Media Attention Whores grandstanding there is no chance of a fair trail for Zimmerman, and no chance that Martin's background won't be scrutinized and embellished to prove a political point.
 
2012-04-02 07:50:48 PM  

Party Boy: Rindred: You have the original of that first image, Party Boy?

I do believe that came up under a GIS for "Butt Crack." Probably someone famous + some pooparatzi d-bag. Who else is going to get a pic like this?


Meh, I set you up for The Rock. See what happens when I deliver the straight line rather than come up with my own jokes?
 
2012-04-02 07:51:39 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: And if you do claim certainty as to who grabbed/punched whom, you are just as responsible for Martins death as Zimmerman is. Why? Because, with that level of inside knowledge, obviously you were standing right there and should have been able to diffuse the situation.


Whoaaaa, hang on a sec, go back and read. I was describing the leagel interpretation of SamFlagg's hypothetical account of him coming down to punch someone to instigate a fight.

I didn't and have never claimed I know how the Zimmerman-Trayvon encounter went. Relax. :)
 
2012-04-02 07:51:50 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-02 07:52:32 PM  
Gyrfalcon

Therefore Sarah Palin is now President of Belorus and Obama has to go back to grade school with his daughter.

Come ON, people.

Anything to defend obamessiah when he starts race baiting.

Once again the left shows civil rights mean exactly squat to them. Rush to judgment that "innocent till proven guilty" crap is outdated.
 
2012-04-02 07:53:03 PM  

Rindred: Meh, I set you up for The Rock.


Oh shiat. This was hilarious, and I totally farked that up.
On the plus side, that was hilarious
 
2012-04-02 07:53:14 PM  
It's too bad it had to come to this. I always thought he seemed like such a nice guy in the Men's Wearhouse commercials.
 
2012-04-02 07:53:18 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: coffeeburns: You can't "enhance" to get data that doesn't exist in the original.

The data is in the original image. The "enhancement" is a matter of changing how it is rendered for viewing in the visible spectrum to human eyes. The data in the image itself hasn't changed. See - changing contrast for more information.


lol
 
2012-04-02 07:53:54 PM  

wambu: Consistent with Zimmerman's account? Must be faked of course.


OK even if it is consistent with Zimmerman's account. The stand your ground law still doesn't apply. He stalked the kid, By that act alone he was the aggressor and if anyone would have justification under stand your ground it would be the kid. The fact that he was following this kid and then got out to confront him makes him the aggressor and therefore a murderer.
 
2012-04-02 07:53:55 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ciberido: Xenomech: This case is a fascinating example of the media's ability to manipulate the opinions of the masses. It's amazing how little it takes to trick people into rooting for the drug dealer and reviling the neighborhood watch volunteer.

You're saying Trayvon Martin was convicted of dealing drugs? You have some proof of this alleged conviction?

I think he just said he was a drug dealer, not that he was ever convicted of the crime. It's a pretty complicated sentence, though, so I may be misreading it.


Makes as much sense as calling Zimmerman a child molester.
 
2012-04-02 07:54:17 PM  

rashisti: OR MAYBE, JUST MAYBE George Zimmerman is a cold-blooded racist murderer hiding behind a poorly written piece of shiatty legislation


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-04-02 07:54:38 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: ciberido: Case in point: any valid point The DBS might have had is totally invalidated by his use of "sheep" there.

You mean exactly like how anything Dr. Mojo might say in this thread is invalidated by him calling people "skippy" when he has no better reply? Is that what you mean?


I'm trying to make it clear that I'm not singling you out specifically. I'm not trying to attack you. I'm offering a piece of advice which applies to you, The DBS, and others.

It applies to me as well. I used "mansplain" in a thread a few days ago and more than one person told me I lost credibility by doing so. I don't necessarily agree that that's fair ... but it is something I should and will take into consideration in future posts.

So, maybe I'm a hypocrite and maybe I'm not. Maybe I'm just saying the same rules apply to all of us. And yes, to some degree this applies to terms like "skippy," too. I'm not telling you that you CAN'T or even SHOULDN'T ever use the word "sheep," but you SHOULD be aware of how people will react to that word.

Think of it as the nuclear option, to be kept in reserve for when it's really needed.

But hey, it's your post. Say whatever you like.
 
2012-04-02 07:54:49 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: and if you do claim certainty as to who grabbed/punched whom, you are just as responsible for Martins death as Zimmerman is.


And btw - aren't the people who are certain that Zimmerman is guilty doing exactly what you are talking about?

Looking forward to your answer.
 
2012-04-02 07:55:30 PM  

ProfessorOhki: It's too bad it had to come to this. I always thought he seemed like such a nice guy in the Men's Wearhouse commercials.


Look,

It's good to look good.

It's ALL that matters, apparently...

Hrm.

;)
 
2012-04-02 07:55:46 PM  

Biological Ali: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ciberido: Xenomech: This case is a fascinating example of the media's ability to manipulate the opinions of the masses. It's amazing how little it takes to trick people into rooting for the drug dealer and reviling the neighborhood watch volunteer.

You're saying Trayvon Martin was convicted of dealing drugs? You have some proof of this alleged conviction?

I think he just said he was a drug dealer, not that he was ever convicted of the crime. It's a pretty complicated sentence, though, so I may be misreading it.

Makes as much sense as calling Zimmerman a child molester.


Not really. But good point.
 
2012-04-02 07:55:55 PM  
Attention all black, white, or hispanic males. Next time someone asks you what you're doing in their neighborhood at 1:00 AM in the morning, instead of attacking them just tell them, It's much easier than dying!
 
2012-04-02 07:56:09 PM  

Xenomech: This case is a fascinating example of the media's ability to manipulate the opinions of the masses. It's amazing how little it takes to trick people into rooting for the drug dealer and reviling the neighborhood watch volunteer.

[sadhillnews.com image 547x410]


Troll or idiot? I honestly can't tell any more.
 
2012-04-02 07:56:22 PM  
Enhanced image, isn't that what beer goggles do at closing time?
www.premierlife.ca
 
2012-04-02 07:56:32 PM  

Indubitably: ProfessorOhki: It's too bad it had to come to this. I always thought he seemed like such a nice guy in the Men's Wearhouse commercials.

Look,

It's good to look good.

It's ALL that matters, apparently...

Hrm.

;)


P.S. You just frkked with the wrong gopher...
 
2012-04-02 07:57:13 PM  

Warlordtrooper: wambu: Consistent with Zimmerman's account? Must be faked of course.

OK even if it is consistent with Zimmerman's account. The stand your ground law still doesn't apply. He stalked the kid, By that act alone he was the aggressor and if anyone would have justification under stand your ground it would be the kid. The fact that he was following this kid and then got out to confront him makes him the aggressor and therefore a murderer.


Plenty of cases, even ones like this, have gone in front of a judge and been dismissed outright because of a SYG claim. There is a link down thread as one relevant example -- dude chased down a thief, killed him, and took the stolen radios and sold them. That is clearly not in the spirit of the law, but it's how it was interpreted.

SYG concept = good
SYG execution in FL = bad
 
2012-04-02 07:57:54 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I didn't and have never claimed I know how the Zimmerman-Trayvon encounter went. Relax. :)


I speaking of the royal 'you'. Not you personally.
Here and other places, I've seen many, many things bought out as 'facts' about this case.

Only two people knew exactly what happened. Only one of them can tell us his version.
 
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