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2012-04-02 08:14:52 PM
You have to grow up sometime, kid.

/snowflakes......
 
2012-04-02 08:40:18 PM
Without GP, who's going to maintain the diving bell!?
 
2012-04-02 09:06:48 PM
I would have called him "George".
 
2012-04-02 09:08:31 PM
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Pickles and Snowball
 
2012-04-02 09:23:18 PM
fark your helper animal, and I pray it escapes.
 
2012-04-02 09:26:14 PM
If a doctor said she needs an emotional support animal there isn't much the school can do. They have to allow it.
 
2012-04-02 09:26:37 PM

She should tell them she has an alternate helper animal which should pose no problem: a hyena on a chain.


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2012-04-02 09:27:02 PM
The article mentions physical limitations. Does she actually have a legitimate handicap, or is she just a precious little snowflake who can't keep her animal with her, but can't bear to be away from the rodent?
 
2012-04-02 09:27:54 PM
Hey, I went to college here. It's a completely reasonable school. Besides, the student is 28 - and she needs a guinea pig for "physical and emotional support"? Wow. Grow up, kiddo.
 
2012-04-02 09:29:57 PM
But it's a FISH!
 
2012-04-02 09:31:17 PM

Chibi Shinigami: Hey, I went to college here. It's a completely reasonable school. Besides, the student is 28 - and she needs a guinea pig for "physical and emotional support"? Wow. Grow up, kiddo.


she must be CRAZY in bed
 
2012-04-02 09:31:52 PM
I really hope I never get to a point where I need emotional support from a guinea pig.
 
2012-04-02 09:33:56 PM
And now her full name is in an article on the internet that can be easily searched for by future employers...
 
2012-04-02 09:36:48 PM
There is no field of endeavor more desperate for regulation than service animals. Blind people need them. People with diabetus and autism and genuine disability need them.

Your fat ass in your electric chair and your "comfort animal" do not.
 
2012-04-02 09:39:34 PM
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2012-04-02 09:47:09 PM
they should count themselves lucky. i've heard there's a guy that got his HORSE declared a service animal... And he takes it to a certain major central florida theme park and they can't do a thing about it.
 
2012-04-02 09:49:18 PM

Carth: If a doctor said she needs an emotional support animal there isn't much the school can do. They have to allow it.


citation please
 
2012-04-02 09:51:28 PM
Would it kill them to let her have the guinea pig? If 28 year old needs a guinea pig for physical and emotional support, sure pity them if you like, but what harm will it do to you to let the have the animal?
 
2012-04-02 09:51:53 PM
The only animals that are covered under ADA standards are dogs and miniature horses. And those don't included "comfort animals". I actually remember reading through the thread when the updated regs were put up last year.
 
2012-04-02 09:52:03 PM

Oliver Twisted: Carth: If a doctor said she needs an emotional support animal there isn't much the school can do. They have to allow it.

citation please


Warning PDF (new window)
 
2012-04-02 09:57:30 PM
I'm betting she didn't bother to look up what the laws are regarding service animals. Saying it is an "emotional support" animal doesn't really mean shiat. It has to have specific tasks it is trained to accomplish. The term "emotional support" is to vague.

You could have an animal that does something like engages the individual through physical contact or vocalizations when they become dissociative because of some mental disorder. That is acceptable as far as what is deemed to be a service animal, because it is an actual demonstrable task.

I highly doubt a the thing is trained for specific tasks like that, since they tend to be high strung and frighten easily I don't really think they'd really have the calm to deal with somebody that has real need of help through emotional trauma. I don't even know if guinea pigs can be trained at all, really.

Also, what the fark is a guinea pig going to do about physical limitations? Is she incapable of making shrill noises and uses the guinea pig as a stand in when she feels like she needs to make shrieking noises when she gets afraid of a spider she saw crawling on the wall?
 
2012-04-02 09:58:18 PM
Farking glamor pet

/fark it, you deal with the hog.
 
2012-04-02 09:59:40 PM

zaier: I'm betting she didn't bother to look up what the laws are regarding service animals. Saying it is an "emotional support" animal doesn't really mean shiat. It has to have specific tasks it is trained to accomplish. The term "emotional support" is to vague.

You could have an animal that does something like engages the individual through physical contact or vocalizations when they become dissociative because of some mental disorder. That is acceptable as far as what is deemed to be a service animal, because it is an actual demonstrable task.

I highly doubt a the thing is trained for specific tasks like that, since they tend to be high strung and frighten easily I don't really think they'd really have the calm to deal with somebody that has real need of help through emotional trauma. I don't even know if guinea pigs can be trained at all, really.

Also, what the fark is a guinea pig going to do about physical limitations? Is she incapable of making shrill noises and uses the guinea pig as a stand in when she feels like she needs to make shrieking noises when she gets afraid of a spider she saw crawling on the wall?


Emotional Support Animals are different than Service Animals. LInky (new window)
 
2012-04-02 10:01:01 PM

Carth: Oliver Twisted: Carth: If a doctor said she needs an emotional support animal there isn't much the school can do. They have to allow it.

citation please

Warning PDF (new window)


From the Regs linked in that PDF:

II. Definitionsof Service Animal
The DOJ's new ADA rules define"service animal" as any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability.The new rules specify that "the provision of emotional support, well-being, comfort, or companionship do not constitute work or tasks for the purposes of this definition." Thus, trained dogs are the only species of animals that may qualify as service animals under the ADA (there is a separate provision regarding miniature horses) and emotional support animals are expressly precluded from qualifying as service animals.
 
2012-04-02 10:02:01 PM

Carth: Oliver Twisted: Carth: If a doctor said she needs an emotional support animal there isn't much the school can do. They have to allow it.

citation please

Warning PDF (new window)


Thanks. Might have to see how that applies since the updated ADA policies where only dogs and miniature horses could be classified as service animals. That may not apply for housing but I think it does.
 
2012-04-02 10:02:48 PM

BigRedMachine_CJ7: Carth: Oliver Twisted: Carth: If a doctor said she needs an emotional support animal there isn't much the school can do. They have to allow it.

citation please

Warning PDF (new window)

From the Regs linked in that PDF:

II. Definitionsof Service Animal
The DOJ's new ADA rules define"service animal" as any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability.The new rules specify that "the provision of emotional support, well-being, comfort, or companionship do not constitute work or tasks for the purposes of this definition." Thus, trained dogs are the only species of animals that may qualify as service animals under the ADA (there is a separate provision regarding miniature horses) and emotional support animals are expressly precluded from qualifying as service animals.


Check the other link in my previous post about the difference between ESA and Service Animals. ESAs are allowed to live in no pet housing but not go where ever you go like service animals.
 
2012-04-02 10:04:31 PM

Nidiot: Would it kill them to let her have the guinea pig? If 28 year old needs a guinea pig for physical and emotional support, sure pity them if you like, but what harm will it do to you to let the have the animal?


Possible damage to her dorm room. Insurance issues for the school if the thing bites someone. Problems if she brings it to class.
 
2012-04-02 10:05:40 PM
28 and living on campus, I don't mean to cast a net but that seems a little off.

CSS
I once had a college roommate who kept a guinea pig in her closet. She never cleaned its litter and it stunk the place to high heaven.
 
2012-04-02 10:07:30 PM

Jocundry: Nidiot: Would it kill them to let her have the guinea pig? If 28 year old needs a guinea pig for physical and emotional support, sure pity them if you like, but what harm will it do to you to let the have the animal?

Possible damage to her dorm room. Insurance issues for the school if the thing bites someone. Problems if she brings it to class.


Plus, what about the next 100 people who claim they need emotional support animals.
 
2012-04-02 10:08:30 PM

Carth:
Check the other link in my previous post about the difference between ESA and Service Animals. ESAs are allowed to live in no pet housing but not go where ever you go like service animals.


It defines it as different from a service dog, that is true. It doesn't give any citation for laws about ESAs being allowed in student housing.
 
2012-04-02 10:13:40 PM
Here (new window) is the link they have on ESAs in housing.

At the bottom it says: "NOTE: On March 15, 2011 changes to the definition of "service animal" under the Americans with Disabilities Act became effective. These changes do not affect the use of emotional support animals in housing or on commercial aircraft because those two situations are covered under different federal laws that were not changed when the ADA regulations were changed."

I haven't looked into the issue much since then so I'm not sure how much things have changed.
 
2012-04-02 10:18:31 PM

Jument: Jocundry: Nidiot: Would it kill them to let her have the guinea pig? If 28 year old needs a guinea pig for physical and emotional support, sure pity them if you like, but what harm will it do to you to let the have the animal?

Possible damage to her dorm room. Insurance issues for the school if the thing bites someone. Problems if she brings it to class.

Plus, what about the next 100 people who claim they need emotional support animals.


I need my gimp for emotional and physical support.
 
2012-04-02 10:19:08 PM
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/yes I know Boo is a hamster
 
2012-04-02 10:20:57 PM

zaier: Carth:
Check the other link in my previous post about the difference between ESA and Service Animals. ESAs are allowed to live in no pet housing but not go where ever you go like service animals.

It defines it as different from a service dog, that is true. It doesn't give any citation for laws about ESAs being allowed in student housing.


And from what the site said, to resolve the issues, the girl really just had to show a doctor's prescription for a ESA and a copy of the Fair Housing article referring to them. Since the article is lacking in details it is hard to know if that avenue was exhausted. But it wouldn't be surprising if this dame hasn't done anything as such, if she even has the documentation.
 
2012-04-02 10:21:41 PM
I'd gladly give up coffee for Sanka,
And Sanka, Bianca, for you ...
 
2012-04-02 10:34:33 PM
by age 28 college girl should know how to use her anal sphincter to attract and keep a real-life BF to provide stability and support. what a twat.
 
2012-04-02 10:58:42 PM

TheDumbBlonde: I would have called him "George".


That's rabbits, Lenny.
 
2012-04-02 11:01:44 PM

Jument: Jocundry: Nidiot: Would it kill them to let her have the guinea pig? If 28 year old needs a guinea pig for physical and emotional support, sure pity them if you like, but what harm will it do to you to let the have the animal?

Possible damage to her dorm room. Insurance issues for the school if the thing bites someone. Problems if she brings it to class.

Plus, what about the next 100 people who claim they need emotional support animals.


Maybe they just need to make allowances for some sort of small animal pets, as long as the are housed appropriately etc. Most people have pats at home, it is not that freaky. They allow children on planes, nothing could end up worse than that.
 
2012-04-02 11:22:32 PM

Nidiot: Jument: Jocundry: Nidiot: Would it kill them to let her have the guinea pig? If 28 year old needs a guinea pig for physical and emotional support, sure pity them if you like, but what harm will it do to you to let the have the animal?

Possible damage to her dorm room. Insurance issues for the school if the thing bites someone. Problems if she brings it to class.

Plus, what about the next 100 people who claim they need emotional support animals.

Maybe they just need to make allowances for some sort of small animal pets, as long as the are housed appropriately etc. Most people have pats at home, it is not that freaky. They allow children on planes, nothing could end up worse than that.


Yeah, but what if it was a snake?
 
2012-04-02 11:32:45 PM
Link to article with relevant facts. (new window)

Fact One: GVSU did in fact give her permission to keep the GP in her dorm room.

Fact Two: The GP died last summer.

Fact Three: She needs a bit more mental health attention than a support animal can provide. She frankly needs more attention than a whole freaking support zoo could provide.
 
2012-04-02 11:34:05 PM

Gyrfalcon: Nidiot: Jument: Jocundry: Nidiot: Would it kill them to let her have the guinea pig? If 28 year old needs a guinea pig for physical and emotional support, sure pity them if you like, but what harm will it do to you to let the have the animal?

Possible damage to her dorm room. Insurance issues for the school if the thing bites someone. Problems if she brings it to class.

Plus, what about the next 100 people who claim they need emotional support animals.

Maybe they just need to make allowances for some sort of small animal pets, as long as the are housed appropriately etc. Most people have pats at home, it is not that freaky. They allow children on planes, nothing could end up worse than that.

Yeah, but what if it was a snake?


Despite snakes being hypoallergenic, GVSU has declined to give permission to keep snakes in the dorms for any reason.
 
2012-04-03 12:07:46 AM
So sweetheart can't make it through class without a guinea pig? What if I can't make it through class WITH one? Guess her need for a rodent subverts the rest of ours. Stay home hon, you're much safer there.
 
2012-04-03 12:18:02 AM
I get the impression that an ESA is allowed if an individual's condition is "so serious that it disables them." If she has been able to attend college prior to this hooplah, despite depression and having a pacemaker, I would guess that she is able to function well enough without taking a guinea pig to class with her.
 
2012-04-03 12:23:51 AM

Rent Party: There is no field of endeavor more desperate for regulation than service animals. Blind people need them. People with diabetus and autism and genuine disability need them.

Your fat ass in your electric chair and your "comfort animal" do not.


I have your helper animal:
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2012-04-03 12:23:56 AM

Jument: Jocundry: Nidiot: Would it kill them to let her have the guinea pig? If 28 year old needs a guinea pig for physical and emotional support, sure pity them if you like, but what harm will it do to you to let the have the animal?

Possible damage to her dorm room. Insurance issues for the school if the thing bites someone. Problems if she brings it to class.

Plus, what about the next 100 people who claim they need emotional support animals.


If all of them can get written certification from a psychologist, then let them all have their service animals. I do not think that most college kids would go through that much trouble just for a pet.
 
2012-04-03 12:24:52 AM

flyinghouse99: 28 and living on campus, I don't mean to cast a net but that seems a little off.

CSS
I once had a college roommate who kept a guinea pig in her closet. She never cleaned its litter and it stunk the place to high heaven.


Actually, I'm 29 and just transferred to this school this semester. And I am living on campus. A little off? Eh, maybe. It's not ideal. But it was the easiest thing, given the time frame I had. (I plan to live off-campus next semester onward.) Things happen. Depression happens. Been there, medicating that.

My "emotional support animal" (i.e., I am used to having pets around.) is a fish. He's cool. Not exactly cuddly, but he pretends to listen when I talk to him. Except when he doesn't. Bettas are rather like cats that way. I had absolutely no urge to try and hide an actual, say, cat in my room.

The moral of this cool story sis is... Leave the guinea pig at home and get a fish. You'll survive.
 
2012-04-03 12:25:51 AM

BigRedMachine_CJ7: Carth: Oliver Twisted: Carth: If a doctor said she needs an emotional support animal there isn't much the school can do. They have to allow it.

citation please

Warning PDF (new window)

From the Regs linked in that PDF:

II. Definitionsof Service Animal
The DOJ's new ADA rules define"service animal" as any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability.The new rules specify that "the provision of emotional support, well-being, comfort, or companionship do not constitute work or tasks for the purposes of this definition." Thus, trained dogs are the only species of animals that may qualify as service animals under the ADA (there is a separate provision regarding miniature horses) and emotional support animals are expressly precluded from qualifying as service animals.


What do horses do? Donkeys are smarter, and would probably therefore be better service animals anyway.
 
2012-04-03 12:31:21 AM
Sorry to hear the little critter's pinin' for the fijords. Not sure how this will turn out, but if the little oinker was part of a clean-energy generating team, I can see the politics of this getting dicey before it's over. Row, you bastards!

/Have two GPs myself
//Great animals - gentle, don't smell, don't have to be walked, the kids love 'em.
 
2012-04-03 12:37:41 AM

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YUM!


Indeed!
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2012-04-03 01:20:27 AM
I understand your skepticism, guys, but there's been a good amount of research done not just from a purely psychological standpoint but from a medical standpoint as well that shows that human-animal interaction significantly boosts serotonin levels, which in someone with major depression is HUGE. There are countless benefits to animal companions, and if she has a diagnosis of major depression and her animal helps her cope with it, then it's absolutely wrong to not let her keep it.
 
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