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(Washington Monthly)   WSJ columnist says the problem is not an increase in bullying, but an increase in pansies   (washingtonmonthly.com) divider line 212
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2012-04-03 09:11:53 AM
I thoroughly enjoyed the writer's whiny ass attempted defense against the completely dead on accurate WSJ piece.
Some people just never get over high school...
 
2012-04-03 09:42:17 AM
But I think the most awesome moment in the entire piece is when he actually comes out in favor of child labor. As In These Times has noted, "Advocates have for months been pressing the Labor Department to finalize a rule change that would help shield child farm workers from some of the most severe occupational hazards, such as handling pesticides and dangerous farm equipment, and would beef up protections for workers under age 16." But Gillespie seems to believe that protecting kids from dangerous working conditions is for pussies: "What was once taken for granted-working the family farm, October tests with jack-o-lantern-themed questions, hunting your own Easter eggs-is being threatened by paternalism run amok." Hey, if it was good enough for those Joad kids, it should be good enough for today's spoiled brats! And while you're at it, get offa my lawn!

I agree with better protection for kids working farms, but I had to work a farm as a kid, and I think it should be encouraged among the youth of today (safely, of course). You learn a great deal about where your food comes from, and as cliched as it sounds, the work is so difficult it really builds character. Unfortunately, we seem to be moving away from kids doing any work whatsoever, which is building an entire generation of kids with either a poor work ethic or (more usually) a complete misunderstanding of what doing a good job means.

/yeah, get the fark off my lawn
//you don't know how to mow it, anyway.
 
2012-04-03 09:44:44 AM

Yamaneko2: Actually, what brought bullying into focus was the slaughter at Columbine High School.

It was reported that the kids who perpetrated the slaughter were bullied. Over on Slashdot, the narrative was that the killers were bullied kids who came back with assault weapons to kill their tormenters, and some of the posts were getting disturbingly wistful. The alarm was duly raised, lest copycat slaughters take place.

The narrative that was closer to reality showed that the killers were neo-Nazi thug wannabes who assembled impressive armories in their bedrooms as their parents looked the other way.


Chris Rock, of all people, just shredded this narrative in one of his routines.

"farking Trenchcoat Mafia. They picked on us, they were outcasts.........THERE WERE 6 OF EM!!!! Hell, I didn't have 6 friends in High School and I don't have 6 friends now!!!!"
 
2012-04-03 10:23:28 AM

CliChe Guevara: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Back in the day, if you were getting bullied, you could punch the kid back, or make some other physical statement. If you did that now you'd get arrested. Maybe they're "pansies" or maybe they're just "kids who don't want to go to prison for standing up for themselves."

THIS.


You get arrested even if you don't fight back, hooray for no tolerance rules. The only way one doesn't get arrested is if they are attacked from behind.
 
2012-04-03 10:57:10 AM
firefly212 Smartest
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2012-04-02 10:01:51 PM


SoCalSurfer: This is true. Learn to fight back

You get suspended for fighting back now too




Getting suspended is cool. It will only help your kid's rep, and then less bullying.
 
kgf
2012-04-03 01:05:12 PM
What a bunch of assholes on this thread. "Grow a pair" "learn to fight back". This isn't the movies you morons, it's real life. Suddenly making a fist and throwing it at the bully doesn't make you automatically win. Bullies aren't bullies because nobody stands up to them, they're bullies because they can be - they're bigger and tougher and generally feel like they have nothing to lose. Bullies pick on kids they know they can beat up. Fighting back against a bully usually results in nothing but a worse beating and even more ridicule because now you've proven that you can't defend yourself.
 
2012-04-03 01:37:44 PM

steamingpile: bronyaur1: What better place to find your guidance for developmental psychology than the WSJ editorial page?

That would hilarious if he wasn't right, parents need to realize that your kid is not special just because he/she is breathing, they have to distinguish themselves in academics or other areas.

9 times out if 10 a kid may get bullied or in a fight then after that they become buddies, hell it happened to me and most everyone I grew up with.

Toughen up nancie-boys.


It wasn't until 7th grade that I learned that. Prior to that, the guidance counselor at my elementary school, with an unused degree in Child Psychiatry, had me believing it was somehow MY fault, claiming the bullies wouldn't be targeting me unless I had done something to them first.

He was right, but for the wrong reasons. He was right that I had done something to the bullies. He was wrong in saying I did it deliberately. You see, I was a "cripple" (severe physical handicap), but I refused to let that get in the way of doing physical activities, such as sports. I only had one good arm, so I found a way to do pull-ups and push-ups with only one arm, learned to swing a bat with one hand, learned how to control hitting a volleyball with only one hand, etc.

And I got good at these things. The bullies hated me for this, because they were supposed to be better at these things, by default. By matching, or worse, beating them at these sports, I was in fact taunting them and forcing them to take action to "put me in my place" -- in the corner with the rest of the "cripples".

In 7th grade, I finally shed that idiot counselor's advice, and started fighting back against my tormentors. I spent a good portion of the year in detention and/or suspension, but the bullies finally got the message: You take a shot at me, I *will* lay you flat out, "crippled" arm be damned.
 
2012-04-03 02:06:40 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: He'd shiat in his pants if he had to live in some of the neighborhoods in America. It's nice to be able to poo-poo bullying but yesterday's bullying isn't today's bullying.


Seriously. Back in the day, you could put a pipe bomb in someone's lunch pail and blow their arm off, or carry a switchblade and dice their victim. Now all we have is pussy bullies who call names and pick people last for dodgeball.
 
2012-04-03 05:03:24 PM
kgf Smartest
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2012-04-03 01:05:12 PM


What a bunch of assholes on this thread. "Grow a pair" "learn to fight back". This isn't the movies you morons, it's real life. Suddenly making a fist and throwing it at the bully doesn't make you automatically win. Bullies aren't bullies because nobody stands up to them, they're bullies because they can be - they're bigger and tougher and generally feel like they have nothing to lose. Bullies pick on kids they know they can beat up. Fighting back against a bully usually results in nothing but a worse beating and even more ridicule because now you've proven that you can't defend yourself.



Yes, it is real life. One where you face obstacles and learn lessons and hopefully, improve.

Or you can just whine and accept defeat. or worse, try to ridicule the concept of standing up for yourself. That's why you most likely became the coward you are today. And it's a lot more than physical fighting. It permeates all aspects of life.
 
2012-04-03 09:00:30 PM

doubled99: kgf Smartest
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2012-04-03 01:05:12 PM


What a bunch of assholes on this thread. "Grow a pair" "learn to fight back". This isn't the movies you morons, it's real life. Suddenly making a fist and throwing it at the bully doesn't make you automatically win. Bullies aren't bullies because nobody stands up to them, they're bullies because they can be - they're bigger and tougher and generally feel like they have nothing to lose. Bullies pick on kids they know they can beat up. Fighting back against a bully usually results in nothing but a worse beating and even more ridicule because now you've proven that you can't defend yourself.


Yes, it is real life. One where you face obstacles and learn lessons and hopefully, improve.

Or you can just whine and accept defeat. or worse, try to ridicule the concept of standing up for yourself. That's why you most likely became the coward you are today. And it's a lot more than physical fighting. It permeates all aspects of life.


Abuse people enough, and they come to feel that they deserve it.
 
2012-04-04 10:33:48 AM

Repo Man: Abuse people enough, and they come to feel that they deserve it.


I've been fighting that all my life.
 
2012-04-04 06:05:44 PM
It's better to love, but if, feels like, yer life, fight, by switching, the love/hate, binary, and bite...

CDP.

;)
 
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