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(Washington Monthly)   WSJ columnist says the problem is not an increase in bullying, but an increase in pansies   (washingtonmonthly.com) divider line 212
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2012-04-02 07:26:47 PM  
What better place to find your guidance for developmental psychology than the WSJ editorial page?
 
2012-04-02 07:55:14 PM  

bronyaur1: What better place to find your guidance for developmental psychology than the WSJ editorial page?


The back of a Denny's kids menu.
 
2012-04-02 08:09:08 PM  
What a tendentious bint of a writer.

There's almost no sign that she actually read the column, whose main point is that victims of the most serious bullying are done no favors by stats-goosers who lump name-calling in with gang assault.
 
2012-04-02 08:10:50 PM  
Back in the day, if you were getting bullied, you could punch the kid back, or make some other physical statement. If you did that now you'd get arrested. Maybe they're "pansies" or maybe they're just "kids who don't want to go to prison for standing up for themselves."
 
2012-04-02 08:11:44 PM  
I'd suggest that the real problem is a decrease in UNICORN POWER!
 
2012-04-02 08:12:42 PM  

Ed Finnerty


bronyaur1: What better place to find your guidance for developmental psychology than the WSJ editorial page?

The back of a Denny's kids menu.


The front of a Denny's kids menu.
 
2012-04-02 08:12:58 PM  
He'd shiat in his pants if he had to live in some of the neighborhoods in America. It's nice to be able to poo-poo bullying but yesterday's bullying isn't today's bullying.
 
2012-04-02 08:13:28 PM  
This is true. Learn to fight back
 
2012-04-02 08:15:09 PM  
The problem, Pansy - it's started again!

/maybe they just need some fruit
 
2012-04-02 08:15:24 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Ed Finnerty

bronyaur1: What better place to find your guidance for developmental psychology than the WSJ editorial page?

The back of a Denny's kids menu.


The front of a Denny's kids menu.


A copy of Oliver Twist?
 
2012-04-02 08:15:35 PM  
the real problem is the zero-tolerance rules that enforce the problem - any kid finally having enough and solving the bully problem the old-fashioned way is immediately expelled/arrested/charged as adult.

bullies are masters of passive-aggressive behavior - they learned it from their parents 100% of the time. they know exactly how to play the system and keep walking that line of plausible deniability. as soon as one of those geek kids they terrorize finally hits them though, they are off to the administration with a complaint, and the parents are inevitably screaming about police and suing everyone. watched it happen too many times.
 
2012-04-02 08:15:53 PM  
Here, here.

Grow some reproductive parts...

;)
 
2012-04-02 08:16:17 PM  

SoCalSurfer: This is true. Learn to fight back


Except you are not allowed to fight back. You teach the bully not to fark with you, but then you are expelled and possibly arrested.
 
2012-04-02 08:16:18 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Back in the day, if you were getting bullied, you could punch the kid back, or make some other physical statement. If you did that now you'd get arrested. Maybe they're "pansies" or maybe they're just "kids who don't want to go to prison for standing up for themselves."


THIS.
 
2012-04-02 08:16:18 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123


He'd shiat in his pants if he had to live in some of the neighborhoods in America. It's nice to be able to poo-poo bullying but yesterday's bullying isn't today's bullying.


You said 'bullying' twice thrice.
 
2012-04-02 08:16:28 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: He'd shiat in his pants if he had to live in some of the neighborhoods in America.


Odds this Washington Monthly columnist lives in Anacostia: somewhere near zero.
 
2012-04-02 08:16:52 PM  
He's right.

Crybaby helicoptered pieces of crap.
 
2012-04-02 08:17:20 PM  
An increase in milk-toast pansies is good news...
for the future readership of the WSJ.
 
2012-04-02 08:17:36 PM  
Back in the day, you could go home at the end of the day, and the bullying would be over.
Nowadays, these kids get harassed ALL OF THE TIME.

It's different now.
 
2012-04-02 08:18:04 PM  
The author sounds like the parent of a bully who insists she's not part of the problem.
 
2012-04-02 08:18:12 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: TheShavingofOccam123

He'd shiat in his pants if he had to live in some of the neighborhoods in America. It's nice to be able to poo-poo bullying but yesterday's bullying isn't today's bullying.


You said 'bullying' twice thrice.


I like bullying, four-eyes.

/I keed
 
2012-04-02 08:18:22 PM  

SweetSilverBlues: SoCalSurfer: This is true. Learn to fight back

Except you are not allowed to fight back. You teach the bully not to fark with you, but then you are expelled and possibly arrested.


Intheface.

Seriously.

Smack the farker in the face once, and I almost g'ar'un'tee farker will leave you alone, even on FARK.

Heh.

;)
 
2012-04-02 08:18:50 PM  
Well to be fair libertarians are pretty punchable.
 
2012-04-02 08:19:04 PM  

Gulper Eel: What a tendentious bint of a writer.

There's almost no sign that she actually read the column, whose main point is that victims of the most serious bullying are done no favors by stats-goosers who lump name-calling in with gang assault.


You needed to work Jimmy carter in there somehow. Maybe "She's almost as bad of a writer as Jimmy Carter was a president."
 
2012-04-02 08:19:14 PM  

CliChe Guevara:
bullies are masters of passive-aggressive behavior - they learned it from their parents 100% of the time. they know exactly how to play the system and keep walking that line of plausible deniability. as soon as one of those geek kids they terrorize finally hits them though, they are off to the administration with a complaint, and the parents are inevitably screaming about police and suing everyone. watched it happen too many times.


then they grow up to become my coworkers
 
2012-04-02 08:19:47 PM  

GodsTumor: An increase in milk-toast pansies is good news...
for the future readership of the WSJ.


www.jrj-socrates.com
 
2012-04-02 08:20:20 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Back in the day, if you were getting bullied, you could punch the kid back, or make some other physical statement. If you did that now you'd get arrested. Maybe they're "pansies" or maybe they're just "kids who don't want to go to prison for standing up for themselves."


Kids go to prison for punching these days? Link, please.
 
2012-04-02 08:20:46 PM  
broken clock...twice something something. DNRTFA
 
2012-04-02 08:20:47 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123


I like bullying, four-eyes.

/I keed


You wouldn't hit a four-eyes with glasses, would you??

*kicks SoO123 in the goolies and runs away*


Also keed.
 
2012-04-02 08:21:26 PM  
I'm fine with kids taking the Florida "stand your ground" law to heart. someone lays a hand on you or threatens you, well, that's what handguns are for!
 
2012-04-02 08:21:55 PM  
Bullying ends once you're old enough to move to Florida and buy a gun.
 
2012-04-02 08:22:19 PM  
It's bullshiat that so much bullying happens. Much like prison rape, it's as common as it is because we're willing to tolerate it. Both could be made much more rare if we, as a society, decided to do what it takes to truly get them under control.
 
2012-04-02 08:23:19 PM  

Fart_Machine: Well to be fair libertarians are pretty punchable.


Commas: they are yer friend more than I am.

;)

P.S. To question yer Government is patriotic and necessary for Democracy to work well.

P.P.S. To be racist is to be dumb.

P.P.P.S. That is mall. ;)
 
2012-04-02 08:23:32 PM  
WSJ writer sounds like a whiny biatch.
 
2012-04-02 08:24:21 PM  

KidKorporate: Bullying ends once you're old enough to move to Florida and buy a gun.


Or become a cop. Then you can take out the years of pent-up aggression.
 
2012-04-02 08:24:38 PM  

Repo Man: It's bullshiat that so much bullying happens. Much like prison rape, it's as common as it is because we're willing to tolerate it. Both could be made much more rare if we, as a society, decided to do what it takes to truly get them under control.


If we had a foster system that automatically removed kids from gang families, it would reduce bullying, gangs, crime...
 
2012-04-02 08:25:06 PM  

Indubitably: Fart_Machine: Well to be fair libertarians are pretty punchable.

Commas: they are yer friend more than I am.

;)

P.S. To question yer Government is patriotic and necessary for Democracy to work well.

P.P.S. To be racist is to be dumb.

P.P.P.S. That is mall. ;)


Oh, and, I punch back...

;)
 
2012-04-02 08:25:30 PM  
He manages to fill out every square on the Libertarian Bingo - Child-Rearing Edition score card

I need that for the weekly Fark child-raising thread.
 
2012-04-02 08:25:45 PM  

Indubitably: SweetSilverBlues: SoCalSurfer: This is true. Learn to fight back

Except you are not allowed to fight back. You teach the bully not to fark with you, but then you are expelled and possibly arrested.

Intheface.

Seriously.

Smack the farker in the face once, and I almost g'ar'un'tee farker will leave you alone, even on FARK.

Heh.

;)


*punches Indubitably in the face*

What?

Just testing the theory!
 
2012-04-02 08:25:52 PM  
You laugh at me????

I WRATH AT YOU!
 
2012-04-02 08:27:00 PM  

Fart_Machine: Well to be fair libertarians are pretty punchable.



Thing about us Libertarians is that we prefer to handle things ourselves as opposed to crying to the Gov to solve our problems.

Punch away.
 
2012-04-02 08:27:11 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Fart_Machine: Well to be fair libertarians are pretty punchable.

Commas: they are yer friend more than I am.

;)

P.S. To question yer Government is patriotic and necessary for Democracy to work well.

P.P.S. To be racist is to be dumb.

P.P.P.S. That is mall. ;)

Oh, and, I punch back...

;)


Ow.

Note to self: not refreshing before posting may lead to lacerations and crushed cartilage.
 
2012-04-02 08:27:12 PM  
I farking told you. I said that same thing in a thread a few days ago.
 
2012-04-02 08:27:22 PM  

Fart_Machine: Well to be fair libertarians are pretty punchable.


err...no..libertarians are the dangerous folks. Don't fark with us. Maybe, you are thinking of hippies?
 
2012-04-02 08:28:04 PM  

SoCalSurfer: This is true. Learn to fight back


This.

csb...I was bullied for a couple of years growing up. Both mom and dad told me to try to ignore it, at least initially. I listened, but the bullying continued. So they told me to fight back, and I did. One of the bullies was taken aback when I pushed him and challenged him. He told me, "Can't you take a joke?" and stopped pushing me around. The other beat the crap out of me. Funny thing is, after that he mostly left me alone, but every once in a while he'd make like he was my buddy, especially if he wanted something (like my lunch money). When I'd tell him, "Get your own money - this is mine." he'd laugh it off and leave me alone.

Learning how to fight back prepared me for adulthood. Some bullying is really cruel and goes over the line, but I think that a little bullying here and there while growing up is pretty good for a kid.
 
2012-04-02 08:28:43 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: He'd shiat in his pants if he had to live in some of the neighborhoods in America. It's nice to be able to poo-poo bullying but yesterday's bullying isn't today's bullying.


Crime is lower now than it was in the 1960s and '70s. There's no reason to think today's bullies are any more active or vicious than they used to be. The difference is that today there's more concern about precious snowflakes, partly because the news media does everything it can to convince parents that everything in the world wants their children dead. This can be very annoying, and often the results are both stupid and injurious to society at large, but if it leads to a crackdown on bullying I think I'm okay with that part at least.
 
2012-04-02 08:29:56 PM  
Back in the old days, you fought back once against a bully and it usually stopped at that.

Hell, one of my best friends started a nasty rumor about me and Mary Jane Rottencrotch in 8th grade and I popped him a few times in the noggin. 3 months later baseball season started an all was forgiven and forgotten. We still joke about it (he admitted that he had it coming).

I told my son that if any kid hits him he's free to sock them back and I'd defend him defending himself.

I think the real point is that people don't really stand up for themselves anymore. The get others to do I for them.
 
2012-04-02 08:30:28 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Back in the day, if you were getting bullied, you could punch the kid back, or make some other physical statement. If you did that now you'd get arrested. Maybe they're "pansies" or maybe they're just "kids who don't want to go to prison for standing up for themselves."


That was my situation. I was being damned near bullied to death, but I was warned against defending myself by school officials (and when that got out, I felt like the Charleston Heston character in The Omega Man). I had already been sent to a 'special needs school', i.e., a snake pit across town once already for kicking this one bully's ass (his mom was a PTA chairwoman who pulled strings to get me sent to that school).

But if Columbine had happened when I was a kid (this was the 1960s), I probably would've jumped on the bandwagon and done a little recreational murdering too.
 
2012-04-02 08:30:33 PM  
Actually, what brought bullying into focus was the slaughter at Columbine High School.

It was reported that the kids who perpetrated the slaughter were bullied. Over on Slashdot, the narrative was that the killers were bullied kids who came back with assault weapons to kill their tormenters, and some of the posts were getting disturbingly wistful. The alarm was duly raised, lest copycat slaughters take place.

The narrative that was closer to reality showed that the killers were neo-Nazi thug wannabes who assembled impressive armories in their bedrooms as their parents looked the other way.
 
2012-04-02 08:30:41 PM  

Wook: Thing about us Libertarians is that we prefer to handle things ourselves as opposed to crying to the Gov to solve our problems.


mr lawson: err...no..libertarians are the dangerous folks. Don't fark with us. Maybe, you are thinking of hippies?


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