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2012-04-02 03:43:02 PM  
Is this rape app anything other than an instant rape button?
 
2012-04-02 03:49:19 PM  
This guy I work with showed me an app where he can text multiple women but they show up as phone updates. His girlfriend would not notice it since its a separate messaging system.
 
2012-04-02 03:51:36 PM  
So it's app app that scrapes public foursquare data with the genger:female filter in place?

Someone notify the constabulary immediately!
 
2012-04-02 03:56:05 PM  
Yeah...failing to see a problem here. If you don't understand that everything you post to Twitter/Foursquare/Whatever and mark as "public" is actually, you know, public, then...I don't feel bad for you.

Let me rephrase that a bit: this is absolutely creepy...that people post that much about themselves online.
 
2012-04-02 03:57:39 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: It's not stalking if it's information that you freely post to the internet about yourself. Dumbasses.


As one blogger pointed out: At some point, you have to hold Facebook and Foursquare responsible for making it so complicated to keep your private information private.
 
2012-04-02 03:58:24 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Yeah...failing to see a problem here. If you don't understand that everything you post to Twitter/Foursquare/Whatever and mark as "public" is actually, you know, public, then...I don't feel bad for you.

Let me rephrase that a bit: this is absolutely creepy...that people post that much about themselves online.


Aaaand done.
 
2012-04-02 04:12:16 PM  
Becuase a nerd using an app to help him meet women is automatically a stalker. In other news, all men caught purchasing cologne will now be charged with attempted rape.
 
2012-04-02 04:17:38 PM  
Dumb, if he had named it "People Around Me" I bet no one would have complained.
 
2012-04-02 04:27:10 PM  
I don't get a reason for the app. If you want to know if there are women around, just open the door and look outside. I can pretty much guarantee that you'll find one or more just walking around.
 
2012-04-02 04:37:48 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: It's not stalking if it's information that you freely post to the internet about yourself. Dumbasses.


Meanwhile, apparently it is also not a dystopian corporate state when companies trawl the internet for every spec of data you intentionally (social networking sites) and not-intentionally (browsing habits, online purchases) put on the 'net.

Profit over privacy.
 
2012-04-02 04:42:24 PM  

Niveras: The My Little Pony Killer: It's not stalking if it's information that you freely post to the internet about yourself. Dumbasses.

Meanwhile, apparently it is also not a dystopian corporate state when companies trawl the internet for every spec of data you intentionally (social networking sites) and not-intentionally (browsing habits, online purchases) put on the 'net.

Profit over privacy.


To be fair, this app only got the stuff that you intentionally intended to be published - Facebook, Foursquare, etc.

In fact the whole point of Foursquare is to let people know where you are.
 
2012-04-02 04:44:14 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: I don't get a reason for the app. If you want to know if there are women around, just open the door and look outside. I can pretty much guarantee that you'll find one or more just walking around.


Because of this:
"So let's say I'm a bro, looking to go out for a night on the town and pick someone up. Let's say I'm going to the Independent around the corner, and checking it out ahead of time, I really like the look of this girl Zoe - she looks like a girl I might want to try to get with tonight - so I tap her picture for more information, see what I can find out about here."

I tapped on Zoe. Girls Around Me quickly loaded up a fullscreen render of her Facebook profile picture. The app then told me where Zoe had last been seen (The Independent) and when (15 minutes ago). A big green button at the bottom reading "Photos & Messaging" just begged to be tapped, and when I did, I was whisked away to Zoe's Facebook profile.

"Okay, so here's Zoe. Most of her information is visible, so I now know her full name. I can see at a glance that she's single, that she is 24, that she went to Stoneham High School and Bunker Hill Community College, that she likes to travel, that her favorite book is Gone With The Wind and her favorite musician is Tori Amos, and that she's a liberal. I can see the names of her family and friends. I can see her birthday."

"All of that is visible on Facebook?" one of the other girls in our group asked.

"More, depending on how your privacy settings are configured! For example, I can also look at Zoe's pictures."

I tapped on the photo album, and a collection of hundreds of publicly visible photos loaded up. I quickly browsed them.

"Okay, so it looks like Zoe is my kind of girl. From her photo albums, I can see that she likes to party, and given the number of guys she takes photos with at bars and clubs at night, I can deduce that she's frisky when she's drunk, and her favorite drink is a frosty margarita. She appears to have recently been in Rome. Also, since her photo album contains pictures she took at the beach, I now know what Zoe looks like in a bikini... which, as it happens, is pretty damn good."

My girlfriend scowled at me. I assured her Zoe in a bikini was no comparison, and moved on.

"So now I know everything to know about Zoe. I know where she is. I know what she looks like, both clothed and mostly disrobed. I know her full name, her parents' full names, her brother's full name. I know what she likes to drink. I know where she went to school. I know what she likes and dislikes. All I need to do now is go down to the Independent, ask her if she remembers me from Stoneham High, ask her how her brother Mike is doing, buy her a frosty margarita, and start waxing eloquently about that beautiful summer I spent in Roma."
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Protect your privacy, folks. Check what your cell phone, apps, facebook, and so on put out there for anyone to see. And re-check every once in awhile.
 
2012-04-02 04:53:22 PM  

mainstreet62: Is this rape app anything other than an instant rape button?


Since you begged....

You said rape twice.
 
2012-04-02 05:02:30 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Yeah...failing to see a problem here. If you don't understand that everything you post to Twitter/Foursquare/Whatever and mark as "public" is actually, you know, public, then...I don't feel bad for you.

Let me rephrase that a bit: this is absolutely creepy...that people post that much about themselves online.


I would agree with you if there was a pragmatic way to limit these programs to adults. There isn't a good way to limit a child's' access to these products.. Not only can your eleven to thirteen year old child use some these things without your permission or knowledge, often when you discover them they can refuse to friend you or create multiple pages or hide part of their account behind a "wall".
 
2012-04-02 05:04:21 PM  

MightyPez: So it's app app that scrapes public foursquare data with the genger:female filter in place?

Someone notify the constabulary immediately!


You mean ginger:female?

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2012-04-02 05:06:24 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Niveras: The My Little Pony Killer: It's not stalking if it's information that you freely post to the internet about yourself. Dumbasses.

Meanwhile, apparently it is also not a dystopian corporate state when companies trawl the internet for every spec of data you intentionally (social networking sites) and not-intentionally (browsing habits, online purchases) put on the 'net.

Profit over privacy.

To be fair, this app only got the stuff that you intentionally intended to be published - Facebook, Foursquare, etc.

In fact the whole point of Foursquare is to let people know where you are.


Yeah, that was kind of my point. Corporate-level, profit-driven accumulation of information, private or public = okay. One guy's app for people to make use of information others willingly post = CREEP.

I do realize it is equally not okay for lots of others. It still happens and it is still viewed as generally acceptable. Similarly, I can see that the app could probably get stalkerish. On the other hand, most social networking facilitates that anyway.

The disconnect is that it's fine when companies gather data to sell who and what you are, but when someone makes it easier to notice you on an individual level, FourSquare cries foul.

I wonder if the app would be better received if it wasn't focused wholly on women. I should think it would be very minor thing to display men around you, and allow the user to choose what to focus on.
 
2012-04-02 05:15:27 PM  

penthesilea: Protect your privacy, folks. Check what your cell phone, apps, facebook, and so on put out there for anyone to see. And re-check every once in awhile.


That's the problem I have. I try to keep my Facebook stuff as private as possible, but then Facebook will roll out all these other features and the default is non-private and you don't find out about it for several months. It's just like your credit card number or your address even. Once it leaves your hands, it's in the control of the person you gave it to -- and they don't normally tell you their computer security is crap or they're selling your information to a junk mail company.

Check, re-check, and don't sign up for the stuff in the first place if you're worried.
 
2012-04-02 05:23:20 PM  
I don't either, I mean, it was like grindr, but with the opt-ins/outs tweaked to better match the heterosexual scene...
 
2012-04-02 06:14:19 PM  
Just because I can do something doesn't mean I should, and nobody should have created this app. While there is an obvious difference of severity, saying that people who post to Foursquare deserve to be exposed by this app is born of the same idiotic mentality that creates the whole "you deserved to be raped because you wore a miniskirt!" nonsense.

While there is an obvious need to balance sensible privacy and safety concerns in any aspect of life with a desire to be social and expressive, nobody deserves to be the victim of any crime just because they participated in a legal and perfectly legitimate activity. I see no legitimate use for this app that doesn't at least fall into the realm of "creepy and wrong". It ranges all the way up to "rape and murder in a parking lot".

So, yea, there's a problem. The app can be used for no legitimate purpose, so no sensible distributor is going to help to spread it, as any intelligent and decent human being would expect.

Distribute it on your own you basement-dwelling asshole.
 
2012-04-02 06:27:58 PM  

Splinshints: While there is an obvious need to balance sensible privacy and safety concerns in any aspect of life with a desire to be social and expressive, nobody deserves to be the victim of any crime just because they participated in a legal and perfectly legitimate activity. I see no legitimate use for this app that doesn't at least fall into the realm of "creepy and wrong". It ranges all the way up to "rape and murder in a parking lot".


This app does not promote rape anymore than miniskirts do. All it does is join a bunch of publicly available information, all provided by the person the data is about, into one easy to read location. If you don't think the future is headed towards this sort of data integration, you will be in for a wake up call.

Also, way to assume that men will rape women just because they know where they are.
 
2012-04-02 06:29:07 PM  
Mildly Related:
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2012-04-02 07:13:30 PM  

Gordon Bennett: MightyPez: So it's app app that scrapes public foursquare data with the genger:female filter in place?

Someone notify the constabulary immediately!

You mean ginger:female?

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This thread just got awesome.
 
2012-04-02 07:22:02 PM  
One Ping only, Vasily.
 
2012-04-02 07:34:25 PM  

Splinshints: Just because I can do something doesn't mean I should, and nobody should have created this app. While there is an obvious difference of severity, saying that people who post to Foursquare deserve to be exposed by this app is born of the same idiotic mentality that creates the whole "you deserved to be raped because you wore a miniskirt!" nonsense.

While there is an obvious need to balance sensible privacy and safety concerns in any aspect of life with a desire to be social and expressive, nobody deserves to be the victim of any crime just because they participated in a legal and perfectly legitimate activity. I see no legitimate use for this app that doesn't at least fall into the realm of "creepy and wrong". It ranges all the way up to "rape and murder in a parking lot".

So, yea, there's a problem. The app can be used for no legitimate purpose, so no sensible distributor is going to help to spread it, as any intelligent and decent human being would expect.

Distribute it on your own you basement-dwelling asshole.


Posting something on Foursquare != wearing a miniskirt
Getting listed in an app based on something you posted != getting raped

If you post your location on the internet with the express purpose of broadcasting it a la Foursquare, you can't get pissed if people you don't know see it. Once again, people seeing information you publicly post isn't even in the same universe as getting raped.

Do the people using this app come across as creepy? Sure. Are they doing anything ethically or morally wrong? No.

If they use the app to then approach some random girl and talk to her are they doing anything ethically or morally wrong? Getting more into a gray area, I suppose, but it's not "evil" or "wrong" per se.
 
2012-04-02 07:45:50 PM  

Fano: One Ping only, Vasily.


I read that in Sean Connery's voice.
 
2012-04-02 07:47:57 PM  
Um, it parses foursquare and facebook data. The entire point of foursquare is to tell people where you are and where you've been and the entire point of your public facebook profile is to tell random strangers your personal details to taste.

I mean, I can understand why the app store/foursquare people kind of want to play responsible parent and go "no, no, you don't actually want to tell people that info, you idiot girl-child". That's actually kind of my Weeners, too. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that the app itself is unethical since, after all, it's not doing anything i can't do with three or four keystrokes.

And the fact that it's partly the foursquare people going mamma bear about oversharing your personal data is just astonishingly hypocritical, given that that is their entire business model.
 
2012-04-02 08:55:14 PM  

Brainwash: Fano: One Ping only, Vasily.

I read that in Sean Connery's voice.


How could you not?

Heard about this app on Kim Komando's show this past Saturday.
 
2012-04-02 09:04:10 PM  
public information is public.

That's one of several reasons I painted my house with this stuff: Link (new window)

/tin foil hats are so 1999.
 
2012-04-02 09:38:29 PM  

Splinshints: The app can be used for no legitimate purpose.


Intended or not I think "Short, sharp, shock to a bunch of girls (or boys) who thought Facebook, Foursquare, etc. were their friend" is a legitimate use for the thing. Especially considering the things loading screen and how it suggests anyone the app finds is 'up for it'. Why'd the bunch of frat boys seemingly follow you around all night trying to hit on you and your friends? BECAUSE YOU WERE TELLING THEM EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE GOING!
 
2012-04-02 10:36:42 PM  

Splinshints: Just because I can do something doesn't mean I should, and nobody should have created this app. While there is an obvious difference of severity, saying that people who post to Foursquare deserve to be exposed by this app is born of the same idiotic mentality that creates the whole "you deserved to be raped because you wore a miniskirt!" nonsense.

While there is an obvious need to balance sensible privacy and safety concerns in any aspect of life with a desire to be social and expressive, nobody deserves to be the victim of any crime just because they participated in a legal and perfectly legitimate activity. I see no legitimate use for this app that doesn't at least fall into the realm of "creepy and wrong". It ranges all the way up to "rape and murder in a parking lot".

So, yea, there's a problem. The app can be used for no legitimate purpose, so no sensible distributor is going to help to spread it, as any intelligent and decent human being would expect.

Distribute it on your own you basement-dwelling asshole.


I don't like the app, but I doubt there was ill intent when it was created. Probably, it was conceived and created in relative innocence. You can almost hear a young mans' voice saying "Wouldn't it be neat if there was an app to help people meet girls?"

It needs to non-functional except for those individuals who specifically and deliberately opt in. It needs to have some sort of hellacious block against children under the age of 18 using it. I don't know what that would be: I'm not technical. Posting to FARK is pretty much the upper limits of my computer skills.
 
2012-04-02 11:16:14 PM  
If you need an app to locate females, you're doing it wrong. Put your phone away and look up.
 
2012-04-03 02:32:41 AM  

Niveras: Lord Dimwit: Niveras: The My Little Pony Killer: It's not stalking if it's information that you freely post to the internet about yourself. Dumbasses.

Meanwhile, apparently it is also not a dystopian corporate state when companies trawl the internet for every spec of data you intentionally (social networking sites) and not-intentionally (browsing habits, online purchases) put on the 'net.

Profit over privacy.

To be fair, this app only got the stuff that you intentionally intended to be published - Facebook, Foursquare, etc.

In fact the whole point of Foursquare is to let people know where you are.

Yeah, that was kind of my point. Corporate-level, profit-driven accumulation of information, private or public = okay. One guy's app for people to make use of information others willingly post = CREEP.

I do realize it is equally not okay for lots of others. It still happens and it is still viewed as generally acceptable. Similarly, I can see that the app could probably get stalkerish. On the other hand, most social networking facilitates that anyway.

The disconnect is that it's fine when companies gather data to sell who and what you are, but when someone makes it easier to notice you on an individual level, FourSquare cries foul.

I wonder if the app would be better received if it wasn't focused wholly on women. I should think it would be very minor thing to display men around you, and allow the user to choose what to focus on.



You can look for men, too. The problem is that it advertises itself more as a way to find women, which as we know = rape. And the graphics for women are exotic-dancer silhouettes, which gives it an overall demeaning bent.

If they sold it as "find your friends!! yay!!" with Hello Kitty avatars there would have been no outcry at all.
 
2012-04-03 04:54:13 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Um, it parses foursquare and facebook data. The entire point of foursquare is to tell people where you are and where you've been and the entire point of your public facebook profile is to tell random strangers your personal details to taste.

I mean, I can understand why the app store/foursquare people kind of want to play responsible parent and go "no, no, you don't actually want to tell people that info, you idiot girl-child". That's actually kind of my Weeners, too. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that the app itself is unethical since, after all, it's not doing anything i can't do with three or four keystrokes.

And the fact that it's partly the foursquare people going mamma bear about oversharing your personal data is just astonishingly hypocritical, given that that is their entire business model.



The app should be otherwise known as "Fun with public data."

This information is there, and it's easily accessible. If someone is a sick fark and wants an application like this to go and stalk people, he/she doesn't need this app. All they need to do is quietly parse the data themselves.

When I first got a look at the Facebook API I was actually astonished at the data that was available. I do think public data is something that API providing social media should be doing more to protect. IE, they should be thinking 'what's the least amount of data we can make available without compromsing our vision of our product' rather than what I think they're doing which is 'meh'

In the meantime, I think more of these types of applications should be created. As a matter of fact, I may have just found myself yet another project!
 
2012-04-03 08:24:56 AM  

Lunaville: I don't like the app, but I doubt there was ill intent when it was created. Probably, it was conceived and created in relative innocence. You can almost hear a young mans' voice saying "Wouldn't it be neat if there was an app to help people meet girls?"


I'd wager it was more like a generic "I can do this so I will".

Lunaville: I don't know what that would be: I'm not technical.


It's a legal and social problem, there is no technical fix.

Lord Dimwit: Posting something on Foursquare != wearing a miniskirt
Getting listed in an app based on something you posted != getting raped


That's not what I said.

DaJesus: This app does not promote rape anymore than miniskirts do.


I'd argue it promotes it in exactly the same way. By which I mean it enables people who had bad intentions in the first place.

The main problem here is that this thing is intentionally targeted at following women around. It's not "oh, hey, you can follow your friends via their public posts", it's "hey, here's a neat way to find every woman in your general vicinity whether you know them or not".

Intent is always important. I think you're going to have a hard time proving anything but ill intent here.

DaJesus: Also, way to assume that men will rape women just because they know where they are.


Nobody said that. I know your argument is as flimsy as a paper towel in the rain, but that's no reason to simply start lying. If you can't support your argument and you're too afraid of being embarrassed, just stop posting and everyone will forget, there's no need to double down.
 
2012-04-03 10:13:02 AM  

Splinshints:
Intent is always important. I think you're going to have a hard time proving anything but ill intent here.


It had an option to look for men instead, if that is your preference. It was obviously designed for hooking people up in order to form the beast with two backs however beyond that I see no malicious intent.
 
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