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(MTV)   Child killings, incestuous colonies and poor casting decisions all make for a controversial start to the new season of "Game of Thrones"   (mtv.com) divider line 216
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2012-04-02 04:32:22 PM  
My favorite casting was Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister.

/too bad I need to wait for S2 DVDs to come out
//no HBO
///Why the F can't I get it on Amazon Direct?
 
2012-04-02 04:33:54 PM  

OldRod: kfde: Speaking of casting - did they change the actor for Gendry?

I wondered that too - he certainly looks different than last year, but everything I can find lists the same actor in both seasons in that role.


I thought so too at first, but on second viewing it looks like a case of better grooming and a different style of outfit.
 
2012-04-02 04:39:05 PM  

Le Bomb Suprize: redmo


There's no way Osha can take over for Meera and Jojen. Without spoilers, I'll just say its because of Rickon.
 
2012-04-02 04:39:05 PM  

LDM90: Everything I hear about this show is rape, incest, dead children, rape, good guys and favorite characters getting killed early on....Are they trying to get me to watch the show?


You said rape twice.
 
2012-04-02 04:40:38 PM  
Nothing about this should be shocking, including the incest and baby killing. There were times in our real history ...and not fantasy, where families killed without a second thought and did anything to stay in power and little girls were married off at 12 or 13 to make alliances or join houses. Many civilizations did what we would condider deplorable, horriffic things... Ancient Rome anyone?
 
2012-04-02 04:40:47 PM  

LDM90: Everything I hear about this show is rape, incest, dead children, rape, good guys and favorite characters getting killed early on....Are they trying to get me to watch the show?

Makes me think of those 2 episodes of The Shield I made it through. The ones that made me want to hang myself out of despair afterwards.


Ok. I think we found Kirk Cameron's handle.

Have fun watching reruns of Touched By An Angel and Seventh Heaven.
 
2012-04-02 04:40:48 PM  

Gilliam317: Davos is also my second favorite character, behind Victarion Greyjoy, so I am biased.


What do you like about Victarion Greyjoy? I've always been ambivalent about that whole family, so I'm curious to hear strong perspectives.

At first I thought that Craster looked a little too refined, like perhaps his breeding was too good, and it made his crass remarks seem a little overdone. But then I rewatched the episode, and noticed the crazy-making effect Craster and his whole setup--wives, manners--had on the men of the Night's Watch, especially Jon and the Lord Commander. Craster really pushed them into overreacting, which I think is his forte. And it actually seems to work better because he doesn't look like a backwoods retard.
 
2012-04-02 04:41:59 PM  
Richard the 3rd of England makes most of the monarchs in GoT look tame by comparison.
 
2012-04-02 04:42:08 PM  

LDM90: Everything I hear about this show is rape, incest, dead children, rape, good guys and favorite characters getting killed early on....Are they trying to get me to watch the show?

Makes me think of those 2 episodes of The Shield I made it through. The ones that made me want to hang myself out of despair afterwards.


No they're trying to produce a show based on books that are written that way. If you haven't started watching it after all the buzz it has generated, you probably aren't going to watch it. If you aren't going to watch it, we don't care what you have to say about it.

I liked it quite a bit. I think it was a bit cluttered but that is to be expected. They had to check in on just about everyone after 9 1/2 months off.
 
2012-04-02 04:44:28 PM  

Huggermugger: ///Why the F can't I get it on Amazon Direct?


Because the people that produce the show will not have any money to make said show unless they keep their best content for subscribers only for some period of time.
 
2012-04-02 04:45:32 PM  

fozziewazzi: nopokerface: Shea is nothing like I expected. I didn't see season one, but it was a free HBO weekend so I caught some of last night's episodes. She is quite unappealing in the show.

Agreed, Martin's Shea from the book is manipulative but in a girlish way. The TV Shea is a stronger, older woman who appears more educated and refined than what you would expect from a commoner. That may have been a calculated move. Casting Shea as a simple peasant girl with an actor not clearly on the plus side of 18 as a prostitute having regular sex with Tyrion probably wasn't going to work.


The show went to a lot of trouble last season to make Shae more interesting, probably because we need a good reason for Tyrion to defy his father and bring her to King's Landing. After all, there's no shortage of whores there.
 
2012-04-02 04:49:00 PM  

Huggermugger: My favorite casting was Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister.

/too bad I need to wait for S2 DVDs to come out
//no HBO
///Why the F can't I get it on Amazon Direct?


If you have a friend who is willing to give you their HBO GO account info, you could watch it right now.
 
2012-04-02 04:52:55 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: biatch biatch biatch biatch biatch biatch biatch...

Trying to generate clicks by being a disingenuous prude is unbecoming.


Pretty much. Plus, the whole child-killing thing at the end was lifted from the Bible.
 
2012-04-02 04:57:32 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Huggermugger: ///Why the F can't I get it on Amazon Direct?

Because the people that produce the show will not have any money to make said show unless they keep their best content for subscribers only for some period of time.


You can't honestly expect people to pay for their entertainment. That's crazy talk. HBO should produce a show that costs 60-70 million dollars a season and give it away for free.
 
2012-04-02 04:57:52 PM  

stoli n coke: Phil Moskowitz: biatch biatch biatch biatch biatch biatch biatch...

Trying to generate clicks by being a disingenuous prude is unbecoming.

Pretty much. Plus, the whole child-killing thing at the end was lifted from the Bible.


Much of the book is lifted -- its based off the War of the Roses.

GRRM is the author you get if you combined Tolkien and Cormac McCarthy. And I love it.
 
2012-04-02 05:02:37 PM  

stoli n coke: Phil Moskowitz: biatch biatch biatch biatch biatch biatch biatch...

Trying to generate clicks by being a disingenuous prude is unbecoming.

Pretty much. Plus, the whole child-killing thing at the end was lifted from the Bible.


Killing potential rivals to power was common throughout history, even if they were only infants.
 
2012-04-02 05:05:09 PM  

redmond24: Le Bomb Suprize: redmo

There's no way Osha can take over for Meera and Jojen. Without spoilers, I'll just say its because of Rickon.


Keeping with the no spoilers I'm not sure that is a barrier. I hope the Reeds make an appearance, I'm just saying that from what I've read (about the series) it's not certain that they will.
 
2012-04-02 05:07:16 PM  
Favorite bits:

1. A certain direwolf.

2. The "kick the dog" Knight's Landing sequences, as everyone gets insulted and then passes it on.

3. Osha. I didn't really care about the character, but this actress really brings her to life. She's got a great kinda-hot, kinda-weird thing going, and she obviously cares for Bran.

4. Robb and Catelyn. Once again, it wasn't my favorite dynamic in the books, but the actors are doing a magnificent job illustrating all those swirling currents of pressure.


Not-as-favorite:

1. I wish there had been a bit more substance to the Daenerys bit. I also wish Mormont would have a facial expression every once in awhile. Both those actors, while great and well-cast, have a tendency to make pronouncements instead of just speaking. And when they get going with each other, it can be a bit hammy and pull me out of the story.

2. Shae. She just strikes me as too sharp. Making her kinder in the beginning would make coming twists more poignant. As it is, they're too in character.

3. Theon and Robb's relationship could have a little more depth to it. Both actors are great, but the script doesn't leave them much to work with.


Altogether, though, it's awesome. Frankly I think this season opener is stronger than last season's, which wobbled and dragged a bit for all its beauty. This opener just starts hitting right away.
 
2012-04-02 05:13:56 PM  

stoli n coke: JohnBigBootay: Huggermugger: ///Why the F can't I get it on Amazon Direct?

Because the people that produce the show will not have any money to make said show unless they keep their best content for subscribers only for some period of time.

You can't honestly expect people to pay for their entertainment. That's crazy talk. HBO should produce a show that costs 60-70 million dollars a season and give it away for free.


This is more a case of "just take my money" I can't even subscribe to HBO without paying $100 to the cable company for their digital cable offerings as well. Let me just subscribe to HBO and i'd sign up in a minute.
 
2012-04-02 05:16:40 PM  

Carth: stoli n coke: JohnBigBootay: Huggermugger: ///Why the F can't I get it on Amazon Direct?

Because the people that produce the show will not have any money to make said show unless they keep their best content for subscribers only for some period of time.

You can't honestly expect people to pay for their entertainment. That's crazy talk. HBO should produce a show that costs 60-70 million dollars a season and give it away for free.

This is more a case of "just take my money" I can't even subscribe to HBO without paying $100 to the cable company for their digital cable offerings as well. Let me just subscribe to HBO and i'd sign up in a minute.


Same here. I'd pay $3-4 a pop if I could stream the episodes, but that's not an option. Take my my money, HBO!
 
2012-04-02 05:19:45 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Carth: stoli n coke: JohnBigBootay: Huggermugger: ///Why the F can't I get it on Amazon Direct?

Because the people that produce the show will not have any money to make said show unless they keep their best content for subscribers only for some period of time.

You can't honestly expect people to pay for their entertainment. That's crazy talk. HBO should produce a show that costs 60-70 million dollars a season and give it away for free.

This is more a case of "just take my money" I can't even subscribe to HBO without paying $100 to the cable company for their digital cable offerings as well. Let me just subscribe to HBO and i'd sign up in a minute.

Same here. I'd pay $3-4 a pop if I could stream the episodes, but that's not an option. Take my my money, HBO!


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2012-04-02 05:21:34 PM  
I guess I read different books because I thought most of the "poor casting decisions" seem pretty good to me.

*some spoilers below, maybe, I dunno, I dont care*

Craster: I always thought he was backwards but somewhat redefined. Kinda like Hannical Lecter character, except without any of the anti-hero stuff. He does terrible stuff to his "wife" and children, but he knows about life, other places, etc. Compared to other wildlings he's more "normal." This is the reason why the night's watch has a friendly relationship with him.

Stannis: I always thought he had no feelings, other than probably hate, etc, but understand what love meant. He understood about honor and what not. I liked when he said (paraphrasing): "love? my brother and I never loved each other. That's not correct, take it out." Pretty much summing up his feelings that he was behind his brother because of family/honor, but not because they loved each other.

Melisandre: Her accent is obviously different, but that's because she's from another country/continent. From the books, I always thought that that she's evil. Specially since she literally gives birth to a damn shadow devil....

Melisandre's assassination attempt: I wish they had explained better that the poison didn't work because the fire consumed it. I'm pretty sure that most people didn't understood that what she said in the episode had a meaning: "The lord of fire protects me with his fire" or something like that.

Bastard's getting killed: this was a great way to show that the queen is getting mad with power, like in the books. It's also a nice bridge towards the story arc of both Edric Storm and Gendry. Well Edric Storm's story is more of a Davos story..
 
2012-04-02 05:25:36 PM  

Le Bomb Suprize: Keeping with the no spoilers I'm not sure that is a barrier. I hope the Reeds make an appearance, I'm just saying that from what I've read (about the series) it's not certain that they will


I'll be even more annoyed if the talk that there's no Ramsay/Reek is true. I have even less idea how that would work for the storylines than I do with the potential lack of Reeds.
 
2012-04-02 05:26:57 PM  

Le Bomb Suprize: redmond24: Le Bomb Suprize: redmo

There's no way Osha can take over for Meera and Jojen. Without spoilers, I'll just say its because of Rickon.

Keeping with the no spoilers I'm not sure that is a barrier. I hope the Reeds make an appearance, I'm just saying that from what I've read (about the series) it's not certain that they will.


spoilery:

In this season, Osha could take both kids. Then on next season they meet both Meera and Jojen somewhere in the forest/marsh/whatever. Oh, I know.. In the book they find refuge at an abandoned tower. Maybe they meet them there. Then from there, they get separated.
 
2012-04-02 05:29:02 PM  
redmid17 Wondering why HBO doesn't sell episodes online?

Here you go.

Link (new window)

That explains HBO's business model a bit.
 
2012-04-02 05:29:25 PM  
Anyone got a link to the Weird Al theme music for GoT? I've read the lyrics but never heard it.
 
2012-04-02 05:43:17 PM  

EvilBobRoss: redmid17 Wondering why HBO doesn't sell episodes online?

Here you go.

Link (new window)

That explains HBO's business model a bit.


I don't actually care. If HBO isn't going to make their shows available in any format except a subscription to HBO, people are going to find other ways to do it. Torrents were available for the GOT season 2 premiere an hour after they aired it.

Link (new window)

Pissing off potential customers isn't a good business model, no matter what their line of thinking. They're are gambling and it's not going to work long term without massive tweaks.
 
2012-04-02 05:45:52 PM  

Confabulat: BumpInTheNight: MugzyBrown: I wish in a thread about a specific episode people could refrain from throwing in spoilers from the book mid-sentence

I wish people who gave a crap about having their viewing experience of a show unsoiled by prior knowledge of its content would stay out of threads about that topic, especially when the show is based on a series of books that have been out for years.

Except that people love to spoil stuff from "Dance with Dragons" which has only been out a year or so, and certainly is spoiler-iffic cause a lot of people haven't worked through the first 5000 pages yet.

So that's asshole behavior. God knows how many people are dying to tell me about Jon Snow.


fark that.

How often are there threads about popular book series? Not just popular young adult series made into films thread?

Sorry dude, but spoil away. I haven't seen the latest ep but link to the script for all I care.
 
2012-04-02 05:47:25 PM  
Never watched it
Never read it
Never will

Yes, I came into this thread to say that
Deal with it
 
2012-04-02 05:50:08 PM  

hailin: Meh, I gave up getting into the HBO series when Dany was raped on her wedding night. That was a stupid plot twist they made with no reason to it. She was never raped in the book.


In my book, a 16-year-old girl getting sold off like that is rape no matter how you slice it.
 
2012-04-02 05:50:31 PM  

Farksteron: Melisandre's assassination attempt: I wish they had explained better that the poison didn't work because the fire consumed it. I'm pretty sure that most people didn't understood that what she said in the episode had a meaning: "The lord of fire protects me with his fire" or something like that.


It took me until the second viewing, but she says something like "The night is dark and full of terrors...but the fire burns them all away", and then the gem in her necklace glows red.

Not as clear as the books, but I think they were trying to get it across, without making her look TOO super-villain-y.
 
2012-04-02 05:53:43 PM  

redmid17: EvilBobRoss: redmid17 Wondering why HBO doesn't sell episodes online?

Here you go.

Link (new window)

That explains HBO's business model a bit.

I don't actually care. If HBO isn't going to make their shows available in any format except a subscription to HBO, people are going to find other ways to do it. Torrents were available for the GOT season 2 premiere an hour after they aired it.

Link (new window)

Pissing off potential customers isn't a good business model, no matter what their line of thinking. They're are gambling and it's not going to work long term without massive tweaks.


Just an explanation, not justifying it. Oh and there were filesharing sites with the episodes up less than an hour after it premiered ( which don't rely on seeders.) Not that I would know....
 
2012-04-02 05:55:53 PM  
Osha's been expanded by Natalie Tena knocking the part out of the park and apparently really impressing Martin. (Fine by me; I've liked Tena a lot in About a Boy and the Potter movies.)
 
2012-04-02 06:00:43 PM  
i.imgur.com

tinyarena: Never watched it
Never read it
Never will

Yes, I came into this thread to say that
Deal with it


i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-02 06:04:04 PM  

supageil: Farksteron: Melisandre's assassination attempt: I wish they had explained better that the poison didn't work because the fire consumed it. I'm pretty sure that most people didn't understood that what she said in the episode had a meaning: "The lord of fire protects me with his fire" or something like that.

It took me until the second viewing, but she says something like "The night is dark and full of terrors...but the fire burns them all away", and then the gem in her necklace glows red.

Not as clear as the books, but I think they were trying to get it across, without making her look TOO super-villain-y.


I totally agree with you on that what she said makes sense. The problem I have with that is that it makes sense to us that read the book. Also, at least in this first book where she appears, she's a terrifying person. The whole birth of the shadow demon is kinda terrifying and evil. Even Davos thinks she's a lunatic.
 
2012-04-02 06:04:56 PM  

EvilBobRoss: redmid17: EvilBobRoss: redmid17 Wondering why HBO doesn't sell episodes online?

Here you go.

Link (new window)

That explains HBO's business model a bit.

I don't actually care. If HBO isn't going to make their shows available in any format except a subscription to HBO, people are going to find other ways to do it. Torrents were available for the GOT season 2 premiere an hour after they aired it.

Link (new window)

Pissing off potential customers isn't a good business model, no matter what their line of thinking. They're are gambling and it's not going to work long term without massive tweaks.

Just an explanation, not justifying it. Oh and there were filesharing sites with the episodes up less than an hour after it premiered ( which don't rely on seeders.) Not that I would know....


And the people that torrent wouldn't pay to stream or download anyway, so HBO doesn't have much incentive to stream outside of their own site.
 
kab
2012-04-02 06:06:13 PM  
Thought it was a good start. The baby killing didn't bother me really, though they certainly could have gone into a bit more detail as to exactly they surmised how many bastards were running around.

Having not read the books (well, I did read the first many many years ago), I was a bit 'WTF am I watching' when Stannis and crew are introduced.

/still betting on this show never making it past season 3. This is HBO we're talking about, after all.
 
kab
2012-04-02 06:11:35 PM  

jackiepaper: That kid playing Joffrey, however, is phenomenal at being hateable.


Yes, yes he is.

26.media.tumblr.com

His character needs to die in an amazingly terrible fashion before this all ends.
 
2012-04-02 06:11:40 PM  

stoli n coke: And the people that torrent wouldn't pay to stream or download anyway, so HBO doesn't have much incentive to stream outside of their own site.


Wrong.
 
2012-04-02 06:11:44 PM  

Skyrmion: hailin: Meh, I gave up getting into the HBO series when Dany was raped on her wedding night. That was a stupid plot twist they made with no reason to it. She was never raped in the book.

In my book, a 16-year-old girl getting sold off like that is rape no matter how you slice it.


I believe the show was cast in the UK for the most part, meaning that they had to up the character ages to 18 for anyone involved in a sex scene. The UK doesn't allow depiction or emulation of underage sex even if the actors are over the age restrictions, iirc.

So... that would make it more of an arranged marriage even by current social norms.
 
2012-04-02 06:20:53 PM  

supageil: Gilliam317: Davos is also my second favorite character, behind Victarion Greyjoy, so I am biased.

What do you like about Victarion Greyjoy? I've always been ambivalent about that whole family, so I'm curious to hear strong perspectives.


*This post assumes that you have read all the books*

The main reason I like Victarion is because he a bad ass. His armor is amazing, and insane to wear when fighting on ships due to the weight. Walking around with an axe, dressed like a Kraken, wearing a yellow cape. I like how he has developed this whole master plan to betray his brother, use the horn to control the dragons, and take Daenarys for his own to rule the seven kingdoms. Which is a plan that is going to look amazing when he tries it, but fail spectacularly. His chapters showcase a lot of nautical action, which is something that I enjoy.

I think a lot of it comes down to the writing. I can imagine the action scenes in those chapters so much more vividly than almost any other chapter in the book. Which gets to my favorite thing about Victarion. His burning arm. He heads into the ship with a red priest, the crew hears maniacal laughter, there is a red glow and Victarion comes out with a smoldering arm, tosses the maester overboard as a sacrifice, and proceeds to kick even more ass in battle than before. When he throws a guy up against the mast with his burnt arm, it was just insanely cool to picture in my head.

So TL;DR, I like Victarion because he is the biggest BAMF on the seas. He was one of the best parts of ADwD.

There are main characters that I am more emotionally invested in, like Arya, and Jon Snow; but as a secondary character, Victarion is amazing.
 
2012-04-02 06:23:05 PM  

redmid17: EvilBobRoss: redmid17 Wondering why HBO doesn't sell episodes online?

Here you go.

Link (new window)

That explains HBO's business model a bit.

I don't actually care. If HBO isn't going to make their shows available in any format except a subscription to HBO, people are going to find other ways to do it. Torrents were available for the GOT season 2 premiere an hour after they aired it.

Link (new window)

Pissing off potential customers isn't a good business model, no matter what their line of thinking. They're are gambling and it's not going to work long term without massive tweaks.


HBO can't work as a business if they allow people to buy individual epsidoes to their latest hot shows, not unless those prices are exhorbitant. Subcriptions subsidizes future projects.
 
2012-04-02 06:23:58 PM  

Farksteron: Le Bomb Suprize: redmond24: Le Bomb Suprize: redmo

There's no way Osha can take over for Meera and Jojen. Without spoilers, I'll just say its because of Rickon.

Keeping with the no spoilers I'm not sure that is a barrier. I hope the Reeds make an appearance, I'm just saying that from what I've read (about the series) it's not certain that they will.

spoilery:

In this season, Osha could take both kids. Then on next season they meet both Meera and Jojen somewhere in the forest/marsh/whatever. Oh, I know.. In the book they find refuge at an abandoned tower. Maybe they meet them there. Then from there, they get separated.


I can see this happening. Introducing two additional characters on top of Mel, Davos, Stannis, Brienne, Yara/Asha etc. might be overkill for season 2. Perhaps the writers feel they can show up later and not lose any of their story. I hope so anyway, leaving them out completely would be quite a departure from the book.
 
2012-04-02 06:27:04 PM  
i.imgur.com


Such a punchable face
 
2012-04-02 06:27:16 PM  

kab: Thought it was a good start. The baby killing didn't bother me really, though they certainly could have gone into a bit more detail as to exactly they surmised how many bastards were running around.

Having not read the books (well, I did read the first many many years ago), I was a bit 'WTF am I watching' when Stannis and crew are introduced.

/still betting on this show never making it past season 3. This is HBO we're talking about, after all.


Well, HBO is saving a lot of money by not having to pay for that Dustin Hoffman series anymore.
I'd bet that Boardwalk gets the boot first.
 
2012-04-02 06:29:29 PM  

fozziewazzi: HBO can't work as a business if they allow people to buy individual epsidoes to their latest hot shows, not unless those prices are exhorbitant. Subcriptions subsidizes future projects.


If I subscribe to HBO, I pay $15/month, of which they get $7.50 (50%). If they charge $3 per episode on Amazon, I pay $12/month, of which they get about $7.20 (60%). If I buy more than one show, or they charge a little more, then they start to come out well ahead. It's still a very good deal for me, because I don't have to pay $80/month for basic cable.
 
2012-04-02 06:30:05 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: stoli n coke: And the people that torrent wouldn't pay to stream or download anyway, so HBO doesn't have much incentive to stream outside of their own site.

Wrong.


Sure. People that found a place to get entertainment for free will gladly go to places where they have to pay for it.
That's why everyone stopped biatching about Napster once iTunes launched.
 
2012-04-02 06:35:51 PM  

stoli n coke: Fish in a Barrel: stoli n coke: And the people that torrent wouldn't pay to stream or download anyway, so HBO doesn't have much incentive to stream outside of their own site.

Wrong.

Sure. People that found a place to get entertainment for free will gladly go to places where they have to pay for it.
That's why everyone stopped biatching about Napster once iTunes launched.


The day that Amazon started offering a huge library DRM-free MP3s, was the day I stopped pirating music. I know I'm not the only one.
 
2012-04-02 06:35:59 PM  

bumpkindes: [i.imgur.com image 500x417]
Such a punchable face


You just hate him because he got a gift from Batman
i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-02 06:36:21 PM  

stoli n coke: EvilBobRoss: redmid17: EvilBobRoss: redmid17 Wondering why HBO doesn't sell episodes online?

Here you go.

Link (new window)

That explains HBO's business model a bit.

I don't actually care. If HBO isn't going to make their shows available in any format except a subscription to HBO, people are going to find other ways to do it. Torrents were available for the GOT season 2 premiere an hour after they aired it.

Link (new window)

Pissing off potential customers isn't a good business model, no matter what their line of thinking. They're are gambling and it's not going to work long term without massive tweaks.

Just an explanation, not justifying it. Oh and there were filesharing sites with the episodes up less than an hour after it premiered ( which don't rely on seeders.) Not that I would know....

And the people that torrent wouldn't pay to stream or download anyway, so HBO doesn't have much incentive to stream outside of their own site.


Actually plenty of studies show that people who pirate are willing to pay plenty of money for good content. Setting the DVD release date 9 months after the end of the first season is just plain dumb. I realize they want to stoke interest before the start of the next one, but their business model is pretending like there is no other method of acquiring their product outside of waiting for the DVD. If they made it available for streaming (purchase) or DVD purchase just after the season was over, they'd still make a good chunk of money. The big issue is they don't offer HBO go without a cable subscription, which is pretty farking retarded.
 
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