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(ABC)   72 years of confidentiality expires; 1940 census records released, including for 21 million still alive. Top that, Visa and Mastercard, with your relatively small security breaches and data compromises   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 117
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2012-04-01 04:17:28 PM
headline sucks
 
2012-04-01 05:42:38 PM
How can confidentiality expire? How does knowing who lived where 72 years ago compare to credit card companies' losing active customer data?

/Never mind.
//Looking forward to the 1940 data to get answers to some family mysteries.
 
2012-04-01 05:42:41 PM
Something tells me these records won't divulge too much sensitive information.
 
2012-04-01 05:42:47 PM
And done.
 
2012-04-01 05:43:39 PM
Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.
 
Skr
2012-04-01 05:46:08 PM
Hey, I don't know if this article is a coincidence. But the Visa network is currently getting DDoS'ed. If you have a Visa card, it may not work.

It is making large headaches for people.

I can't find any news bulletins on it, but an overwhelming flood of calls have been coming in about Visa cards not working as payment.
 
2012-04-01 05:46:14 PM
this is crazy
 
2012-04-01 05:47:51 PM

almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.


So you're saying there should be no copyrights?
Every idea or device you create, design, or develop automatically becomes mine!

/Awesome.
//Cunning plan, not thunken through.
 
2012-04-01 05:49:45 PM
It'll be interesting 10 years from now to compare the 1940 census to the 1950 census--to look to see how many 15-20 year-olds didn't make it to be 25-30 year-olds....
 
2012-04-01 05:50:38 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?


How in the hell did you extrapolate that?
 
2012-04-01 05:51:43 PM

Skr: Hey, I don't know if this article is a coincidence. But the Visa network is currently getting DDoS'ed. If you have a Visa card, it may not work.

It is making large headaches for people.

I can't find any news bulletins on it, but an overwhelming flood of calls have been coming in about Visa cards not working as payment.


Paymentech was having an issue. Should be resolved now. :D
 
2012-04-01 05:52:33 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?


No, but you shouldn't get a century or more of exclusive rights.
 
2012-04-01 05:56:41 PM

The Loaf: It'll be interesting 10 years from now to compare the 1940 census to the 1950 census--to look to see how many 15-20 year-olds didn't make it to be 25-30 year-olds....


I get your point, but that sort of data has been available since 1951. What we are getting now is "Joe Smith was a welder and lived on Main Street."
 
2012-04-01 05:57:12 PM
Welcome to Obama's AmerKKKa

/ RON PAUL 2012!
 
2012-04-01 05:58:43 PM

ImpendingCynic: HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?

No, but you shouldn't get a century or more of exclusive rights.


Lifetime rights would be just fine.
 
2012-04-01 05:58:53 PM

Great_Milenko: Something tells me these records won't divulge too much sensitive information.


THIS!!
 
2012-04-01 05:59:14 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?


I guess those are the only two options.
 
2012-04-01 06:00:26 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?
Every idea or device you create, design, or develop automatically becomes mine!

/Awesome.
//Cunning plan, not thunken through.


a) Inventions are protected through patents, not copyrights.
b) Saying that copyrights shouldn't last for almost a century does not equal saying that there should be no copyrights.
 
2012-04-01 06:02:08 PM
Ok maybe I'm not understanding this correctly. Once census data is collected can't anyone look at it?
 
2012-04-01 06:02:41 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: ImpendingCynic: HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?

No, but you shouldn't get a century or more of exclusive rights.

Lifetime rights would be just fine.


That's absurd.

BTW you do realize that patents/copyright/etc are a deviation from efficient free markets, not an adherence to.

/lifetime? jesus christ on a pogo stick
//7 years is bad enough
///nothing better than a nice little monopoly to skate by on, huh?
 
2012-04-01 06:02:42 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?
Every idea or device you create, design, or develop automatically becomes mine!

/Awesome.
//Cunning plan, not thunken through.


i303.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-01 06:02:50 PM

jaytkay: Welcome to Obama's AmerKKKa

/ RON PAUL 2012!


they release an old census every ten years, this is no big deal.
 
2012-04-01 06:03:48 PM
It's the War On Old People.
 
2012-04-01 06:05:46 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: ImpendingCynic: HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?

No, but you shouldn't get a century or more of exclusive rights.

Lifetime rights would be just fine.


You really need lifetime + some number of years to make sure no one is killed so their IP goes public domain.
 
2012-04-01 06:07:26 PM

ImpendingCynic: HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?

No, but you shouldn't get a century or more of exclusive rights.


In 1790 copyright term was established as 14 years renewable for a second 14 years if the author was still alive. Increase in adult lifespans (people who survive childhood) does not account for the subsequent, insane increase in copyright terms so much as business fighting and winning a war against the public domain.
 
2012-04-01 06:07:36 PM

astouffer: Ok maybe I'm not understanding this correctly. Once census data is collected can't anyone look at it?


The aggregate data, yes. The personal data on specific individuals (name, address, parents names, blah blah) is locked away for privacy reasons for 72 years.

Today, you can find out how many people lived in Toledo in 1950, their average ages, and what percentage of them were dentists, but you can't have their names until 2022.
 
2012-04-01 06:08:37 PM

Alucinor: HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?
Every idea or device you create, design, or develop automatically becomes mine!

/Awesome.
//Cunning plan, not thunken through.

a) Inventions are protected through patents, not copyrights.
b) Saying that copyrights shouldn't last for almost a century does not equal saying that there should be no copyrights.


Uh, yeah right. It's either one or the other. If you allow copyrights to expire faster than a man's legacy, you deincentivize innovation. If I don't think what I am creating is going to be helping out my kids, I may just put my talents to better use elsewhere.

Most people seem to misunderstand the idea of what should be in the Public Domain. The Public Domain should consist of works that were not written and maintained under current copyright laws. What was always fair game should always be fair game, clearly, but by appropriating the works of people who toiled to create under the aegis of modern copyright laws and putting them in the Public Domain, you're not only doing a disservice to the creator of the work, you're doing a disservice to the work itself.
 
2012-04-01 06:10:11 PM
As a genealogist, I am thrilled.

/family secrets to be unraveled
 
2012-04-01 06:10:40 PM
Questions Asked on the 1940 Census Link (new window)(new window)
 
2012-04-01 06:11:36 PM

JewZeppy: Questions Asked on the 1940 Census Link (new window)(new window)



I like new windows....
 
2012-04-01 06:13:33 PM
For those of you Farkers saying that family secrets will be uncovered with this Census, would you care to provide more details? What are you looking for? Mistresses? Babies born out of wedlock to a Negro father? To see if Aunt Samantha was really Uncle Samuel?

/I don't think the 1940 census will reveal anything unexpected about my family
//But then again, I could be wrong
///Off to call my parents
 
2012-04-01 06:13:33 PM

toddalmighty: headline sucks


A bit convoluted, for sure...but the whole idea made me giggle.
 
2012-04-01 06:16:02 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?
Every idea or device you create, design, or develop automatically becomes mine!

/Awesome.
//Cunning plan, not thunken through.


So you're saying everybody's families should be able to profit from a single person's work for a period significantly longer than the creator's lifetime?

Plumbers, electricians, mechanics, and many more are about to make your life a whole lot more expensive. "You used the toilet I fixed again. Royalties, please!" Your own plan isn't thunken through, either.

/content creator for a living myself for the best part of 15 years
// I believe a certain period of copyright is reasonable
///I believe retroactively extending copyright is unethical, and that our current copyright term lengths are insane
////Ten to twenty years at most would be fair, five to ten years would be better.
//Transferable on your in-term death only to your immediate family (spouse, life partner, biological or adopted children) or to charity
 
2012-04-01 06:16:42 PM

JewZeppy: JewZeppy: Questions Asked on the 1940 Census Link (new window)(new window)


I like new windows....


i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-01 06:17:00 PM

Huggermugger: As a genealogist, I am thrilled.

/family secrets to be unraveled


Hell yeah. The census records were also very useful for working on history papers as an undergrad.
 
2012-04-01 06:17:05 PM

The Loaf: HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?

How in the hell did you extrapolate that?


Taking it to the hole right off the bat saves time here on fark.
 
2012-04-01 06:18:02 PM

gweilo8888: HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?
Every idea or device you create, design, or develop automatically becomes mine!

/Awesome.
//Cunning plan, not thunken through.

So you're saying everybody's families should be able to profit from a single person's work for a period significantly longer than the creator's lifetime?

Plumbers, electricians, mechanics, and many more are about to make your life a whole lot more expensive. "You used the toilet I fixed again. Royalties, please!" Your own plan isn't thunken through, either.

/content creator for a living myself for the best part of 15 years
// I believe a certain period of copyright is reasonable
///I believe retroactively extending copyright is unethical, and that our current copyright term lengths are insane
////Ten to twenty years at most would be fair, five to ten years would be better.
//Transferable on your in-term death only to your immediate family (spouse, life partner, biological or adopted children) or to charity


Actually, belay that... "You used the toilet my grandad fixed, again. Royalties please!" might be more accurate.

...or "You used the toilet that XYZCorp designed a hundred years ago. And you let your guests use it on the same day. That merits the public performance fee. Pay up!"
 
2012-04-01 06:20:54 PM

gameshowhost: HotIgneous Intruder: ImpendingCynic: HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?

No, but you shouldn't get a century or more of exclusive rights.

Lifetime rights would be just fine.

That's absurd.

BTW you do realize that patents/copyright/etc are a deviation from efficient free markets, not an adherence to.

/lifetime? jesus christ on a pogo stick
//7 years is bad enough
///nothing better than a nice little monopoly to skate by on, huh?


How else will we preserve the serfdom we've created so far?

/Shut up and work, serfs.
 
2012-04-01 06:21:44 PM

Skr: Hey, I don't know if this article is a coincidence. But the Visa network is currently getting DDoS'ed. If you have a Visa card, it may not work.

It is making large headaches for people.

I can't find any news bulletins on it, but an overwhelming flood of calls have been coming in about Visa cards not working as payment.


I tried ordering a box of CO2 cartridges for my seltzer bottle. I couldn't get approved. wow.
 
2012-04-01 06:24:37 PM

hershy799: For those of you Farkers saying that family secrets will be uncovered with this Census, would you care to provide more details? What are you looking for? Mistresses? Babies born out of wedlock to a Negro father? To see if Aunt Samantha was really Uncle Samuel?


"Secrets" is a bit extreme. I've found out things about my family we didn't otherwise know, such as children who died young that we had never heard of, that family lived briefly in a city far away that we didn't know about, that some family anecdotes were true (little details like neighbors, etc.).

These aren't earth-shattering revelations, just interesting tidbits. And in the case of my rather small family, no one who'd remember those details from 1940 is still alive.
 
2012-04-01 06:25:23 PM

ImpendingCynic: astouffer: Ok maybe I'm not understanding this correctly. Once census data is collected can't anyone look at it?

The aggregate data, yes. The personal data on specific individuals (name, address, parents names, blah blah) is locked away for privacy reasons for 72 years.

Today, you can find out how many people lived in Toledo in 1950, their average ages, and what percentage of them were dentists, but you can't have their names until 2022.


Oh sure NOW you tell me, right before I went looking for a dentist in Toledo in 1950 and then used my time machine to go get my teeth fixed at a reasonable rate!
 
2012-04-01 06:35:04 PM

gweilo8888: gweilo8888: HotIgneous Intruder: almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.

So you're saying there should be no copyrights?
Every idea or device you create, design, or develop automatically becomes mine!

/Awesome.
//Cunning plan, not thunken through.

So you're saying everybody's families should be able to profit from a single person's work for a period significantly longer than the creator's lifetime?

Plumbers, electricians, mechanics, and many more are about to make your life a whole lot more expensive. "You used the toilet I fixed again. Royalties, please!" Your own plan isn't thunken through, either.

/content creator for a living myself for the best part of 15 years
// I believe a certain period of copyright is reasonable
///I believe retroactively extending copyright is unethical, and that our current copyright term lengths are insane
////Ten to twenty years at most would be fair, five to ten years would be better.
//Transferable on your in-term death only to your immediate family (spouse, life partner, biological or adopted children) or to charity

Actually, belay that... "You used the toilet my grandad fixed, again. Royalties please!" might be more accurate.

...or "You used the toilet that XYZCorp designed a hundred years ago. And you let your guests use it on the same day. That merits the public performance fee. Pay up!"


I'm an electrician and I'd love it if I got paid one penny every time somebody turned on a light that I installed. I'd be a millionaire already.
 
2012-04-01 06:37:59 PM
Yay 1940 Census! That is all.
 
2012-04-01 06:39:17 PM

Skr: Hey, I don't know if this article is a coincidence. But the Visa network is currently getting DDoS'ed. If you have a Visa card, it may not work.

It is making large headaches for people.

I can't find any news bulletins on it, but an overwhelming flood of calls have been coming in about Visa cards not working as payment.



Was just at the mall, Banana Republic stores are all farked up.

Skr: Hey, I don't know if this article is a coincidence. But the Visa network is currently getting DDoS'ed. If you have a Visa card, it may not work.

It is making large headaches for people.

I can't find any news bulletins on it, but an overwhelming flood of calls have been coming in about Visa cards not working as payment.



Was just at the mall. Both stores I went to were having problems. My card got flagged for "suspicious activity" when they manually entered it several times. Major hassle calling the CC and clearing it.
 
2012-04-01 06:42:50 PM

almafuerte: Great. Copyright lasts longer than confidentiality. The US is insane.


Yes, the US has been a massive failure, and their policies haven't provided anything beneficial to the world.

You're an idiot
 
2012-04-01 06:46:09 PM

ImpendingCynic: "Secrets" is a bit extreme.


I don't know.
Both grandparents on my dad's side were previously married and divorced before they met (maybe), so it'll be interesting to see what the family lay of the land was in 1940. Nobody ever talked about that stuff and they took it to their graves.

Nobody even knew my grandfather had two other sons until they turned up at his funeral. Apparently, grandma's first marriage might have been to this guy I only knew as, "Uncle Jim." (wink-wink.) Never understood the affinity connection, but it makes some sense now. Also found out my great grandfather was likely birthed out of wedlock and/or adopted then traded off as part of a business arrangement between horse and mule traders and stable owners sometime before 1870.

Census data can reveal some pretty amazing details about families.
 
2012-04-01 06:49:07 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Skr: Hey, I don't know if this article is a coincidence. But the Visa network is currently getting DDoS'ed. If you have a Visa card, it may not work.

It is making large headaches for people.

I can't find any news bulletins on it, but an overwhelming flood of calls have been coming in about Visa cards not working as payment.

I tried ordering a box of CO2 cartridges for my seltzer bottle. I couldn't get approved. wow.


I just tried ordering a 10-kilo box of Baluga caviar and it was declined.
Huzzah. Time for a sharply worded phone call to my customer service representative.
 
2012-04-01 06:54:24 PM

Skr: Hey, I don't know if this article is a coincidence. But the Visa network is currently getting DDoS'ed. If you have a Visa card, it may not work.

It is making large headaches for people.

I can't find any news bulletins on it, but an overwhelming flood of calls have been coming in about Visa cards not working as payment.


Really? I just got back from getting a hair cut and it took three tries to go through. Apparently the hackers have made the network more efficient.
 
2012-04-01 06:54:26 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: TheShavingofOccam123: Skr: Hey, I don't know if this article is a coincidence. But the Visa network is currently getting DDoS'ed. If you have a Visa card, it may not work.

It is making large headaches for people.

I can't find any news bulletins on it, but an overwhelming flood of calls have been coming in about Visa cards not working as payment.

I tried ordering a box of CO2 cartridges for my seltzer bottle. I couldn't get approved. wow.

I just tried ordering a 10-kilo box of Baluga caviar and it was declined.
Huzzah. Time for a sharply worded phone call to my customer service representative.


Be sure and select the Overnight Hand-Carried shipping option. I received my delivery of fresh Maine lobsters and the poor boys were lethargic from the tepid crate temperature. I had to throw them out. Who wants to eat a somnambulant lobster?
 
2012-04-01 06:57:23 PM
Can someone please provide a link to the data?

Thanks
 
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