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(MetroWest Daily News)   43 year old police officer has gun license revoked after state officials unseal juvenile record and learn he committed crime when he was 15   (metrowestdailynews.com) divider line 121
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2012-04-01 08:18:03 AM
This is bullsh*t. That man used his troubled past to better himself and help others and should not have to deal with this.
Would this have happened if he were white and came from a monied family?
 
2012-04-01 08:58:52 AM
race card done in one.
 
2012-04-01 10:12:53 AM
Jean Valjean unavailable for comment.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2012-04-01 10:23:56 AM
Talk about a scary black man ....

d2nxvnj9b2h8rk.cloudfront.net


/I'm sure there will be nightmares after seeing this horror.
 
2012-04-01 12:03:14 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Jean Valjean unavailable for comment.


heh.
 
2012-04-01 12:14:07 PM
It's Massachusetts....they aren't even a state
 
2012-04-01 12:16:26 PM
That's just wrong. I was fortunate to grow up in a time when people were given second chances and that people were not so damned vindictive and unforgiving. If not for those second chances, lots of people my age who were dumbass kids would have been thwarted in their efforts to become good productive people.
 
2012-04-01 12:20:53 PM
When they tell you something is "going on your permanent record", they MEAN it

/and remember, only the perfect succeed
 
2012-04-01 12:25:10 PM
A 43 y/o man is being punished, again, for something that happened when he was 15. Let's see which symptom of fascism this bullshiat will fall under:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections
 
2012-04-01 12:36:46 PM
*facepalm*

Please tell me that TFA is an April Fools gag.
 
2012-04-01 12:39:00 PM
Disgusting
 
2012-04-01 01:25:13 PM

A juvenile record should not come back to haunt someone 28 years later, particularly after living a productive life, said defense lawyer Stephen Weymouth.

Weymouth, who works often in juvenile courts, said the point of juvenile courts is to try to rehabilitate a juvenile, not send them on a downward spiral that affects their whole life.


that might have been the goal 28 years ago but these days the point is to punish and enslave, not reform and rehabilitate. see - if people get their lives back together then we can use them as corporate slave labor in private prisons. we DEPEND on a permanent underclass that's unable to climb out of the hole we put them in. we NEED those people to have no hope. we WANT them addicted to drugs and feel as if they're worthless.
 
2012-04-01 01:36:22 PM
Well, considering that the point of jails today is to turn someone into a criminal for the rest of their lives, clearly he escaped his fate and we have to shove him back into it by depriving him of the ability to do his job.
 
2012-04-01 01:42:47 PM

GAT_00: Well, considering that the point of jails today is to turn someone into a criminal for the rest of their lives, clearly he escaped his fate and we have to shove him back into it by depriving him of the ability to do his job.


exactly! we need people in jail, because it keeps a certain corporate segment making the big bucks.

incidentally, if it were up to me I'd make it a law that private run/corporate prisons were forbidden from lobbying legislatures for stricter laws. f*ck the 1st amendment issue - the idea of a corporation with a vested economic interest in harsh laws and insanely long prison terms offends me down to the molecular level.
 
2012-04-01 01:46:00 PM

Weaver95: exactly! we need people in jail, because it keeps a certain corporate segment making the big bucks.


Why exactly do you have a problem with a corporation making money?

Weaver95: incidentally, if it were up to me I'd make it a law that private run/corporate prisons were forbidden from lobbying legislatures for stricter laws. f*ck the 1st amendment issue - the idea of a corporation with a vested economic interest in harsh laws and insanely long prison terms offends me down to the molecular level.


You could arguably extend that to say that the military can't talk to Congress about what they need. They're lobbying just the way a corporation is.
 
2012-04-01 01:49:22 PM

GAT_00: You could arguably extend that to say that the military can't talk to Congress about what they need. They're lobbying just the way a corporation is.


actually, i'm ok with the military voting. almost everyone who's ever had to serve in a warzone votes against more war. you want to find yourself a dedicated anti-war crowd, talk to the people who've actually had to do the killing. most of them vote against having to keep doing that sort of thing ever again.
 
2012-04-01 01:53:07 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: You could arguably extend that to say that the military can't talk to Congress about what they need. They're lobbying just the way a corporation is.

actually, i'm ok with the military voting. almost everyone who's ever had to serve in a warzone votes against more war. you want to find yourself a dedicated anti-war crowd, talk to the people who've actually had to do the killing. most of them vote against having to keep doing that sort of thing ever again.


No, I'm saying that your law would prevent the military from going to Congress to ask for funding for new designs, additional production runs, the whole nine yards. Same thing with departments actually. It's all just degrees of asking for money.

The solution isn't to ban lobbying. It's to ban lobbyists, and make it so lobbying only runs through open committees. If they can't talk to the Senator over a round of golf, it becomes a fair fight. Have open bidding processes, things like that.

You're seeing a problem with a room and saying to destroy the house. How about we just renovate the room?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-04-01 02:00:45 PM
Weaver95

I don't see evidence that veterans who go into politics are more anti-war than politicians in general. Consider the presidential candidates since 1960 who had been in combat. JFK got us into Vietnam. Kerry voted for war in Iraq (before he voted against it). Bush Sr. invaded Iraq the first time. Dole was not a pacifist (but I forget the details of his voting record).
 
2012-04-01 03:45:58 PM
Why does he even need to apply for a permit? Doesn't LEOSA (new window) cover him regardless?
 
2012-04-01 03:47:08 PM
I feel safer.
 
2012-04-01 03:47:17 PM
I heard he also made a hoodie out of Skittles.
 
2012-04-01 03:48:09 PM

gromitcu: Why does he even need to apply for a permit? Doesn't LEOSA (new window) cover him regardless?


It should, since Police Officers are covered under it they can carry on their badge on and off duty and don't need permits. His Department's policy could dictate that Officers need to get permits and can't carry without them however.
 
2012-04-01 03:48:38 PM
i suppose the police were torn between violating the 2nd amendment and protecting one of their own.

but still, as if there weren't plenty of cops that deserve to be fired.
 
2012-04-01 03:50:13 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: We shouldn't punish people who get away with it for 28 years


An interesting perspective. I tried really hard to decide wither I agree or not but then I read this one: "Recently, his license to carry a firearm when he is off duty was denied... The lack of his firearms permit has not affected his job."

And the best I can come up with is "whoopdy farking doo."
 
2012-04-01 03:50:37 PM
Pud: Talk about a scary black man ....

"Listen, kid, this dick ain't gonna suck itself."
 
2012-04-01 03:51:02 PM
Wow. So a badly written law used in a horrible way is now a sign of facist corporate surpression of the enslaved masses?

Perhaps, just perhaps, that there is no deeper explination except stupidity?
 
2012-04-01 03:52:43 PM
so what was the point of sealing the record in the first place? sounds like a sh*tf*ck law to me, regardless of white/black or cop/civilian.
 
2012-04-01 03:54:48 PM
Al Sharpton to the rescue!
 
2012-04-01 03:56:32 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: A 43 y/o man is being punished, again, for something that happened when he was 15. Let's see which symptom of fascism this bullshiat will fall under:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections


Where did you get that awesome list? If we can just come up with a few more we can make a bingo board!
 
2012-04-01 03:56:33 PM

Pud: Talk about a scary black man ....

[d2nxvnj9b2h8rk.cloudfront.net image 300x660]


/I'm sure there will be nightmares after seeing this horror.


Only because he isn't wearing a hoodie.
 
2012-04-01 04:04:51 PM
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Guess this is where we learn that actions have consequences, right?

Where are all the Fark Authoritarians, anyway?
 
2012-04-01 04:06:50 PM

gromitcu: Why does he even need to apply for a permit? Doesn't LEOSA (new window) cover him regardless?


Thats what I thought. Ive been a police officer for 6 years now and I have never had to have a permit to carry off duty. Springfield XDM 40 on the badge, S&W Bodyguard 380 off duty, every day. Its a scary feeling seeing someone youve fought with before at the grocery store, park, whatever. If my department told me I couldnt carry off duty I would leave because they obviously arent taking my safety into consideration. People at school love me. They know if theres a campus shooting itll end when he tries to come in my room.
 
2012-04-01 04:08:18 PM

Spicy_McHaggus: gromitcu: Why does he even need to apply for a permit? Doesn't LEOSA (new window) cover him regardless?

Thats what I thought. Ive been a police officer for 6 years now and I have never had to have a permit to carry off duty. Springfield XDM 40 on the badge, S&W Bodyguard 380 off duty, every day. Its a scary feeling seeing someone youve fought with before at the grocery store, park, whatever. If my department told me I couldnt carry off duty I would leave because they obviously arent taking my safety into consideration. People at school love me. They know if theres a campus shooting itll end when he tries to come in my room.


Hah, that's how you get a flamewar started! Nicely done, 9/10.
 
2012-04-01 04:13:52 PM

lennavan: Don't Troll Me Bro!: We shouldn't punish people who get away with it for 28 years

An interesting perspective. I tried really hard to decide wither I agree or not but then I read this one: "Recently, his license to carry a firearm when he is off duty was denied... The lack of his firearms permit has not affected his job."

And the best I can come up with is "whoopdy farking doo."


So you'd be fine with permanently losing a Constitutionally-guaranteed right because of something stupid you did when you were 15?
 
2012-04-01 04:14:34 PM

gromitcu: Why does he even need to apply for a permit? Doesn't LEOSA (new window) cover him regardless?


LEOSA applies if the person meets the all the requirements from the link you posted. One of the requirements is...

4. be authorized by the agency to carry a firearm,

...so his superiors allowing him to carry "on the badge" would be needed.
 
2012-04-01 04:16:15 PM

Zombalupagus: Don't Troll Me Bro!: A 43 y/o man is being punished, again, for something that happened when he was 15. Let's see which symptom of fascism this bullshiat will fall under:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections

Where did you get that awesome list? If we can just come up with a few more we can make a bingo board!


It's a list of 'signs of fascism' or something like that. Basically, warning signs a democracy is trending towards fascism.
 
2012-04-01 04:19:33 PM
This is total bullcrap. Somebody wanted to hurt this man and sieved his past to find even the tiniest piece of dirt to do it. That's just awful.
 
2012-04-01 04:21:55 PM
What a Farker's conundrum!

The "forgive the criminal record" people now find themselves siding with a police officer. Someone's brain may splode today.
 
2012-04-01 04:22:03 PM

GAT_00: Zombalupagus: Don't Troll Me Bro!: A 43 y/o man is being punished, again, for something that happened when he was 15. Let's see which symptom of fascism this bullshiat will fall under:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections

Where did you get that awesome list? If we can just come up with a few more we can make a bingo board!

It's a list of 'signs of fascism' or something like that. Basically, warning signs a democracy is trending towards fascism.



We undoubtedly have at least 12 out of 14. :/
 
2012-04-01 04:22:32 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: A 43 y/o man is being punished, again, for something that happened when he was 15. Let's see which symptom of fascism this bullshiat will fall under:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections


Why do you hate America?
 
2012-04-01 04:22:42 PM
Who did he piss off?
 
2012-04-01 04:24:12 PM
Remember the old days when folks said " He's paid his debt to society"?
 
2012-04-01 04:24:52 PM

lennavan: Don't Troll Me Bro!: We shouldn't punish people who get away with it for 28 years

An interesting perspective. I tried really hard to decide wither I agree or not but then I read this one: "Recently, his license to carry a firearm when he is off duty was denied... The lack of his firearms permit has not affected his job."

And the best I can come up with is "whoopdy farking doo."


1) Way to misquote me. Adults call that "building a strawman."
2) How did it get on his record if he had "gotten away with it" for 28 years.
3) What ArkAngel said about permanent loss of constitutional rights.

Also, there is a statute of limitations on almost everything for a reason.

ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-04-01 04:26:54 PM

simon_bar_sinister: Don't Troll Me Bro!: A 43 y/o man is being punished, again, for something that happened when he was 15. Let's see which symptom of fascism this bullshiat will fall under:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections

Why do you hate America?


Because not only do we show at least 13 of those 14 symptoms of fascism (#14 is debatable), but a third of our populace is cheering it on simply because "it pisses off the other side."
 
2012-04-01 04:28:00 PM

Spicy_McHaggus: gromitcu: Why does he even need to apply for a permit? Doesn't LEOSA (new window) cover him regardless?

Thats what I thought. Ive been a police officer for 6 years now and I have never had to have a permit to carry off duty. Springfield XDM 40 on the badge, S&W Bodyguard 380 off duty, every day. Its a scary feeling seeing someone youve fought with before at the grocery store, park, whatever. If my department told me I couldnt carry off duty I would leave because they obviously arent taking my safety into consideration. People at school love me. They know if theres a campus shooting itll end when he tries to come in my room.


I thought you were trolling, but your grammar is pretty cop perfect. Doing well in 'college'?
 
2012-04-01 04:29:30 PM
bet he lied on job and gun application. both crimes in themselves
 
2012-04-01 04:30:57 PM
"The prison system is there to rehabilitate. not punish"

/Passes laws that make your past life follow you around for ever.
 
2012-04-01 04:32:03 PM
This kind of crap goes on all the time.

It's why all those people are full of shiat when they complain about the juvenile justice system and/or want people under 18 tried as adults because (iparaphrasing their words) "in a few years their record will be expunged and they'll get out and be able to do it again and no one will know their past".

It's also why those who wish to keep this kangaroo court system known as the juvenile court intact are also full of shiat. They pretend that it's about rehabilitation and that the record doesn't follow them into adulthood, and that all this somehow justifies depriving them of basic protections like a jury trial.

The 'sealed record' part of juvenile court has never really been true. Just look at all the states that deny firearms rights or concealed weapon permits based on juvenile offenses, look at states that allow parole/probation until a person is 30 for offenses committed as a juvenile and tried in juvenile court.
 
2012-04-01 04:34:34 PM

ArkAngel: lennavan: Don't Troll Me Bro!: We shouldn't punish people who get away with it for 28 years

An interesting perspective. I tried really hard to decide wither I agree or not but then I read this one: "Recently, his license to carry a firearm when he is off duty was denied... The lack of his firearms permit has not affected his job."

And the best I can come up with is "whoopdy farking doo."

So you'd be fine with permanently losing a Constitutionally-guaranteed right because of something stupid you did when you were 15?


Yep.

I'll do you one further - I'm okay with life in prison for 15 year olds who commit heinous crimes.

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. - A central Missouri teenager who confessed to strangling, cutting and stabbing a 9-year-old girl because she wanted to know how it felt to kill someone was sentenced Wednesday to life in prison with the possibility of parole.

Bustamante was 15 years old when she confessed to strangling Elizabeth, repeatedly stabbing her in the chest and slicing the girl's throat. She led police to the shallow grave where she had concealed Elizabeth's body under a blanket of leaves in the woods behind their neighborhood.
 
2012-04-01 04:35:01 PM
Don't Troll Me Bro!

A 43 y/o man is being punished, again, for something that happened when he was 15. Let's see which symptom of fascism this bullshiat will fall under:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption


symptom of fascism? 8 out of 13 of your questionable list are symptoms of a police officer.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
5. Rampant Sexism
7. Obsession with National Security
9. Corporate Power is Protected
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

Fark him. Punished by the very thing he supports.

I'll lmao if there's a follow up to this thread where one of the people he's stomped on catches up with him.
 
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