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(Orlando Sentinel)   "You can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," say 2 forensic voice experts about who's calling for help in the 911 tape   (articles.orlandosentinel.com) divider line 1110
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2012-03-31 08:35:03 PM  
Surprise, surprise.
 
2012-03-31 08:37:14 PM  
But, he was wearing a hoodie!

/wonders how long it will take for the 'liberal' media to assassinate these guy's characters.
 
2012-03-31 09:22:36 PM  
Well, to be fair, the expert can't say for certain that it's the kid's voice. So maybe it's a witness shouting for help.

But things look grim in Mudville tonight...
 
2012-03-31 09:22:57 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: But, he was wearing a hoodie!

/wonders how long it will take for the 'liberal' media to assassinate these guy's characters.


Well, the Republicans happily smeared a dead kid as deserving it because he wore a hoodie and got suspended, so I'm sure they'll get right on it. Nothing they hate more than science and facts after all.
 
2012-03-31 09:24:40 PM  
There are people who believe that it is Zimmerman crying for help? What color is the sky in their world??
 
2012-03-31 09:26:51 PM  

clancifer: There are people who believe that it is Zimmerman crying for help? What color is the sky in their world??


/raises hand

Please don't get mad at me.

I thought that maybe Zimmerman was following and harassing Martin, and that maybe Martin was beating him up, THEN Zimmerman pulled out the gun and shot him.
 
2012-03-31 09:29:50 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: But, he was wearing a hoodie!

/wonders how long it will take for the 'liberal' media to assassinate these guy's characters.


A Mexican Jew shot a black kid.

Liberals will take both sides, right?
 
2012-03-31 09:29:55 PM  

clancifer: There are people who believe that it is Zimmerman crying for help? What color is the sky in their world??


People who decided that even though Zimmerman followed the kid, chased him down, confronted him and then shot him, all simply because he was black, that Zimmerman was the wronged party here and he was being attacked, thus justifying "self defense" of shooting to kill the kid he chased down. Also, they really needed that since the video ABC got showed a complete lack of blood or injuries to Zimmerman. As long as they could say he was yelling, then it was cool, it had to be self defense.

This was never self defense. It was always cold blooded murder. Anyone who ever thought otherwise thought what they wanted to think.
 
2012-03-31 09:32:44 PM  

Grables'Daughter: clancifer: There are people who believe that it is Zimmerman crying for help? What color is the sky in their world??

/raises hand

Please don't get mad at me.

I thought that maybe Zimmerman was following and harassing Martin, and that maybe Martin was beating him up, THEN Zimmerman pulled out the gun and shot him.


sure
but then there would have been "evidence" of a fight
defensive wounds, bruised knuckles, things like that ...
 
2012-03-31 09:37:29 PM  
Even if Martin had attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman is still at fault because he stalked Martin despite being told not to by the 911 Operator.

Even if Martin physically lashed out at Zimmerman -- which I doubt -- Zimmerman was the one who provoked it, and would still be responsible for Martin's death.
 
2012-03-31 09:37:33 PM  

namatad: sure
but then there would have been "evidence" of a fight
defensive wounds, bruised knuckles, things like that ...


He fought back with Skittles...
The rainbow doesn't leave evidence.
 
2012-03-31 09:39:10 PM  
I'm just waiting to see what 9beers has to say about this. Aliens? Liberal voice bias? Should be interesting. This boy was gunned down in cold blood because he was walking while black, wearing a hoodie, and carrying skittles that looked just like a weapon, I'm sure. It is ridiculous that Zimmerman has not been charged yet, but at least he isn't walking as freely as he would be if the "liberal" media had not forced the country's attention on this case. No visible blood on Zimmerman's clothes, no wounds on Trayvon's hands, and voice evidence that it was someone besides Zimmerman screaming. The evidence is all leaning one way.
 
2012-03-31 09:39:48 PM  
How much of this guy's story needs to fall apart before he gets arrested?
 
2012-03-31 09:41:10 PM  

James F. Campbell: Even if Martin had attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman is still at fault because he stalked Martin despite being told not to by the 911 Operator.

Even if Martin physically lashed out at Zimmerman -- which I doubt -- Zimmerman was the one who provoked it, and would still be responsible for Martin's death.


If Martin was beating the fark out of Zimmerman, leading Zimmerman to cry for help and then kill Martin, then Zimmerman is still at fault, because he chased Martin down, and Martin then exercised self-defense. Zimmerman could never be considered to be exercising self-defense because he started the farking fight.

Of course, it's pretty clear Zimmerman simply shot him without a fight and claimed self-defense under that bullshiat law to get out of murder. Cops were happy enough to believe it too. Probably figured nobody would give a fark about a dead black kid.
 
2012-03-31 09:41:13 PM  

namatad: Grables'Daughter: clancifer: There are people who believe that it is Zimmerman crying for help? What color is the sky in their world??

/raises hand

Please don't get mad at me.

I thought that maybe Zimmerman was following and harassing Martin, and that maybe Martin was beating him up, THEN Zimmerman pulled out the gun and shot him.

sure
but then there would have been "evidence" of a fight
defensive wounds, bruised knuckles, things like that ...


Yeah, I know. You are right, of course. I just can't honestly figure out why this guy would go and beat the hell out of this kid and them shoot him.
 
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2012-03-31 09:44:47 PM  
Pfft. What has science ever done for us?

All scientists say that everything is a theory and nothing is 100% factual. So this is a THEORY. Don't confuse science and faith. Science may say Zimmerman wasn't the one crying, but my faith tells me otherwise.
 
2012-03-31 09:47:05 PM  
As I said in the other thread, someone's going to kill that dude. He might even do it himself. I don't care if he's in hiding, the way things are going he will end up jail, and even if he's in protective custody or isolation or whatever, eventually he will be in a position for someone in there to get to him. Unless he runs far, far away, he's a dead man.
 
2012-03-31 09:50:23 PM  

Grables'Daughter: Yeah, I know. You are right, of course. I just can't honestly figure out why this guy would go and beat the hell out of this kid and them shoot him.


it kinda sounds like Zimmerman thought the kid was a bad guy, then figured he'd go rambo the guy down and sit on him 'till the cops got there. but Martin fought back, or maybe Zimmerman overestimated his abilities. either way, the kid ends up getting himself dead and Zimmerman only had a few minutes to make something up.

the cops get there, see a dead black kid in a hoodie and figure 'meh, another dead hoodlum' and half ass the investigation, figuring nobody will give a damn. hey - just another night in the big city, right? but this time (for whatever reason) things don't go down that way. Because the cops borked the initital steps on scene, the prosecutors got nowhere to go, so when the backlash hits - they're caught in the open with no cover (and daddy Zimmerman is a judge, so he might have played silly buggers behind the scenes too for that matter). Anyways, Zimmerman walks.

After that, the thing hits the national press and now you've got all KINDS of groups getting invested in this story. civil rights groups, NRA spokesmen, gun grabbers, pro-cop, anti-cop, left wing, right wing...everyone suddenly wants a piece of it. And the news reports start flying fast as you please, because everyone wants to spin the story their way.
 
2012-03-31 09:52:48 PM  

GAT_00: Of course, it's pretty clear Zimmerman simply shot him without a fight and claimed self-defense under that bullshiat law to get out of murder. Cops were happy enough to believe it too. Probably figured nobody would give a fark about a dead black kid.


I'm pretty sure there was a report released (new window) this week that showed the cops actually wanted to press charges but the prosecutors declined to do so.
 
2012-03-31 09:54:17 PM  

LadyHawke: GAT_00: Of course, it's pretty clear Zimmerman simply shot him without a fight and claimed self-defense under that bullshiat law to get out of murder. Cops were happy enough to believe it too. Probably figured nobody would give a fark about a dead black kid.

I'm pretty sure there was a report released (new window) this week that showed the cops actually wanted to press charges but the prosecutors declined to do so.


if that's true, then it lends weight to the theory that daddy Zimmerman might have traded a few markers among his friends in the courthouse to make sure that baby Zimmerman walked on the murder charges.
 
2012-03-31 09:54:40 PM  

LadyHawke: GAT_00: Of course, it's pretty clear Zimmerman simply shot him without a fight and claimed self-defense under that bullshiat law to get out of murder. Cops were happy enough to believe it too. Probably figured nobody would give a fark about a dead black kid.

I'm pretty sure there was a report released (new window) this week that showed the cops actually wanted to press charges but the prosecutors declined to do so.


And what exactly prevented the police from finding Martin's family and asking them if they'd like to press charges if they felt charges were necessary?

Oh wait, they didn't do that.
 
2012-03-31 09:55:28 PM  
Angela Corey, the special prosecutor assigned to the case, has yet to decide whether to charge Zimmerman, send the case to a grand jury or decide against charging.

If Zimmerman's self-defense claim is tested at trial, legal experts say a forensic identification of the voice in the 911 audio could be key evidence, either in Zimmerman's favor or to his detriment.



I can't really see this ending well for Zimmerman.


If it doesn't go to trial (unlikely, since the feds will almost certainly press charges if the state doesn't) he'll spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder and jumping at every shadow, because nearly all blacks in America and about half of all other people are already calling for his head on a pike and that number will increase if the government doesn't even try to put him in jail.


If it does go to trial, his self-defense claim -- that he had to use deadly force in order to not leave the fistfight on a stretcher or in a body bag -- can be destroyed with just ten words: "Why did he leave his car in the first place?" Among the evidence which would be used in the trial will be Zimmerman's 911 call, in which he is advised not to pursue Martin on foot; and the other 911 call, the one discussed in TFA, which two experts say has screams belonging to a person other than Zimmerman. His history of calling the cops on every black person who entered his field of vision and his reference to Martin as a "f*cking coon/goon/punk/coon-ass" would be used to determine whether or not this shooting would be also prosecuted as a hate crime.


And all he had to do to avoid this was stay in his car like the 911 dispatcher said he should.
 
2012-03-31 09:57:19 PM  
I'm shocked.
 
2012-03-31 09:58:08 PM  

Grables'Daughter: Yeah, I know. You are right, of course. I just can't honestly figure out why this guy would go and beat the hell out of this kid and them shoot him.


There isn't much evidence Zimmerman beat Martin. And, there's an equal lack of evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman.

We know for a fact Zimmerman targeted Martin. We know for a fact Zimmerman stalked Martin. We know for a fact that Zimmerman shot Martin. We know for a fact Zimmerman killed Martin.

We don't really know any more than that. Yes, there are minor troubles in Martin's history. And, there are more serious troubles in Zimmerman's history, including multiple arrests for violent behavior.

One of the more interested episodes from Zimmerman's past was recounted in the Miami Herald:
In 2005, his ex-fiáncée, hair salon employee Veronica Zuazo, filed for a restraining order against Zimmerman - whom she called "Georgie."

Zuazo claimed that she saw Zimmerman, her ex, driving near her home in August 2005. She called him and he said "he was just checking up" on her.

After they spoke for an hour at her home, Zuazo claimed she asked him to leave. He grew upset, snatching her cellphone away from her, pushing her, she said. A pushing match ensued and her dog jumped up and bit him on the cheek.

"I freaked out and told him to leave. I ran up the stairs and called 911 as he walked out," she wrote in her petition for a restraining order.

Zimmerman, in a petition filed the next day, claimed she wanted him to spend the night and that she grew angry when he refused. "She accused me of going to another woman's house or going to party," Zimmerman wrote.

Zimmerman, then an All-State insurance salesman, claimed she slapped, clawed and tried to choke him.

In their petitions, both included other allegations of violence.
I don't know what happened in that case...but, Zimmerman's claim that the woman attacked him because he refused to stay the night seems odd to me. Just as the statements attributed to Martin by Zimmerman in his version of the events seems odd. The "do you have a problem...you do now" sounds like bad movie dialog. I have never heard anyone talk like that in real life. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just seems, again, odd.

I simply don't find Zimmerman's story credible. It doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
2012-03-31 09:59:11 PM  

GAT_00: And what exactly prevented the police from finding Martin's family and asking them if they'd like to press charges if they felt charges were necessary?


Is that allowed? I don't think felony indictments are in the discretion of the victim or their family.
 
2012-03-31 09:59:42 PM  
Of course, if Zimmerman is charged with murder (or manslaughter or whatever), the defense team can reasonably claim that the prosecutors office is responding to political pressure and that the charges are bogus. which is kinda true - there IS a ton of pressure on them to charge and convict Zimmerman of something.

I don't know that there's an easy way outta this one for the prosecutors. they're boned no matter what they do. And if they charge Zimmerman and lose on a legal technicality....chaos, madness, and the laughter of mad gods as the cosmos burns.
 
2012-03-31 09:59:58 PM  
The more I read about Zimmerman, the less I like. He was apparently fired when he worked as a security guard because he was too aggressive - he once got so angry at a drunk woman while at work that he picked her up and threw her in a rage.
 
2012-03-31 10:03:08 PM  

DamnYankees: GAT_00: And what exactly prevented the police from finding Martin's family and asking them if they'd like to press charges if they felt charges were necessary?

Is that allowed? I don't think felony indictments are in the discretion of the victim or their family.


Correct... the decision on whether to prosecute is at the discretion of prosecutors.
 
2012-03-31 10:08:07 PM  
Ok, can they arrest him now? How much more pieces of the puzzle do they need to have spelled out for them to do their job?

What a damn clusterfark. And this news is revealed on a week-end, so no one will even be paying any attention.
 
2012-03-31 10:09:36 PM  

JerseyTim: How much of this guy's story needs to fall apart before he gets arrested?


Once his daddy gives up and stops the madness.
 
2012-03-31 10:10:37 PM  
so let's recap

this Zimmerman guy is a cop wannabe. A self-appointed neighborhood watch "captain" who thinks using 911 emergency services for reporting kids popping wheelies on their bicycles is a valid use of those services.

a man who lost a job as a bouncer because he couldn't control his temper and would snap.

a man who had a felony "assaulting an officer" charge dropped because he copped a plea deal. his dad is a former magistrate judge and his mom is a county court clerk. His godfather owns a million dollar + business and lets him stay at his townhouse there in the gated community.

he's had charges of domestic abuse against his former fiance dismissed on more than one occasion.

He saw Trayvon and immediately had him pegged as a thug who was high and up to no good and dammit he was going to do something about it fark what the cops said. "these assholes always get away." Trayvon tried to avoid confrontation (as per Zimmerman's own words)

He said he was calling for help but the experts say it wasn't his voice.

He had no visible wounds from the police video. No blood on his shirt. The cops were not using gloves when handling him.

The coroner said Travon's hands showed no signs of being in a fight.
 
2012-03-31 10:11:01 PM  

Weaver95: Of course, if Zimmerman is charged with murder (or manslaughter or whatever), the defense team can reasonably claim that the prosecutors office is responding to political pressure and that the charges are bogus. which is kinda true - there IS a ton of pressure on them to charge and convict Zimmerman of something.

I don't know that there's an easy way outta this one for the prosecutors. they're boned no matter what they do. And if they charge Zimmerman and lose on a legal technicality....chaos, madness, and the laughter of mad gods as the cosmos burns.


You think that would be bad? Imagine if it does go to trial, the state throws the book at him with charges ranging from first-degree murder and aggravated stalking to double-parking and jaywalking, all charges get "hate crime" tacked on, he gets found guilty on all charges and faces death plus 75 years or some other absurdly huge sentence... and Governor Rick Scott pardons Zimmerman before he even files his first appeal.

The chaos that would ensue would make European soccer riots look like a game of tag.
 
2012-03-31 10:11:03 PM  

elffster: Ok, can they arrest him now? How much more pieces of the puzzle do they need to have spelled out for them to do their job?.


I think they're waiting for a video of Zimmerman shooting the kid dead, then playing in his entrails for 20 min while waiting for the cops to show up. THEN they'll charge him with littering.
 
2012-03-31 10:11:35 PM  

JerseyTim: How much of this guy's story needs to fall apart before he gets arrested?


THIS. I guess if I ever wanted to murder an innocent person with no consequences I know what race to hunt and what town to do it in.
 
2012-03-31 10:13:05 PM  

Weaver95: elffster: Ok, can they arrest him now? How much more pieces of the puzzle do they need to have spelled out for them to do their job?.

I think they're waiting for a video of Zimmerman shooting the kid dead, then playing in his entrails for 20 min while waiting for the cops to show up. THEN they'll charge him with littering.


And he'll plead to a parking ticket warning.
 
2012-03-31 10:13:49 PM  

Daddy's Big Pink Man-Squirrel: Runs_With_Scissors_: But, he was wearing a hoodie!

/wonders how long it will take for the 'liberal' media to assassinate these guy's characters.

A Mexican Jew shot a black kid.

Liberals will take both sides, right?


The politically correct term is "jewban"
 
2012-03-31 10:13:55 PM  
You expect us to believe science now? You racists will stop at nothing to defend a dead black kid.
 
2012-03-31 10:14:37 PM  

King Something:
You think that would be bad? Imagine if it does go to trial, the state throws the book at him with charges ranging from first-degree murder and aggravated stalking to double-parking and jaywalking, all charges get "hate crime" tacked on, he gets found guilty on all charges and faces death plus 75 years or some other absurdly huge sentence... and Governor Rick Scott pardons Zimmerman before he even files his first appeal.

The chaos that would ensue would make European soccer riots look like a game of tag.


its possible that they charge Zimmerman and he negotiates a deal for a shorter sentence and protective custody/witness protection. they put him in the joint and a LOT of people are gonna want to kick his ass. he wouldn't last a month.

I dunno. if I were Zimmerman I'd get the hell outta the country fast as I could run. preferably somewhere warm that had no extradition treaty with the US.
 
2012-03-31 10:17:10 PM  

Weaver95: elffster: Ok, can they arrest him now? How much more pieces of the puzzle do they need to have spelled out for them to do their job?.

I think they're waiting for a video of Zimmerman shooting the kid dead, then playing in his entrails for 20 min while waiting for the cops to show up. THEN they'll charge him with littering.


I call bull. Kids dead so they cant charge him with littering.
 
2012-03-31 10:17:35 PM  
Frightening images of the terrifying young negro, just days before he tried to kill George Zimmerman.

i40.tinypic.com

i41.tinypic.com

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2012-03-31 10:18:10 PM  

Weaver95: King Something:
You think that would be bad? Imagine if it does go to trial, the state throws the book at him with charges ranging from first-degree murder and aggravated stalking to double-parking and jaywalking, all charges get "hate crime" tacked on, he gets found guilty on all charges and faces death plus 75 years or some other absurdly huge sentence... and Governor Rick Scott pardons Zimmerman before he even files his first appeal.

The chaos that would ensue would make European soccer riots look like a game of tag.

its possible that they charge Zimmerman and he negotiates a deal for a shorter sentence and protective custody/witness protection. they put him in the joint and a LOT of people are gonna want to kick his ass. he wouldn't last a month.

I dunno. if I were Zimmerman I'd get the hell outta the country fast as I could run. preferably somewhere warm that had no extradition treaty with the US.


there is such a thing as solitary confinement. I agree though that in gen pop someone would kill him.
 
2012-03-31 10:19:45 PM  

gameshowhost: Frightening images of the terrifying young negro, just days before he tried to kill George Zimmerman.

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So you're saying it was a conspiracy? There's more than one Negro involved in framing Zimmerman?
 
2012-03-31 10:19:56 PM  
preferably somewhere warm that had no extradition treaty with the US.

interesting point, but I think hes under daddy's watchful eye. dollars to doughnuts says he's in Virginia.
 
2012-03-31 10:20:18 PM  

Hobodeluxe: there is such a thing as solitary confinement. I agree though that in gen pop someone would kill him.


you put someone in solitary confinement for the entire duration of their term and they'll go nuts.
 
2012-03-31 10:20:39 PM  

propasaurus: gameshowhost: Frightening images of the terrifying young negro, just days before he tried to kill George Zimmerman.

[i40.tinypic.com image 520x329]

[i41.tinypic.com image 426x600]

[i39.tinypic.com image 488x600]

So you're saying it was a conspiracy? There's more than one Negro involved in framing Zimmerman?


Precisely! And the lizard people aren't getting off easy this time, either.
 
2012-03-31 10:20:58 PM  

Grables'Daughter: namatad: Grables'Daughter: clancifer: There are people who believe that it is Zimmerman crying for help? What color is the sky in their world??

/raises hand

Please don't get mad at me.

I thought that maybe Zimmerman was following and harassing Martin, and that maybe Martin was beating him up, THEN Zimmerman pulled out the gun and shot him.

sure
but then there would have been "evidence" of a fight
defensive wounds, bruised knuckles, things like that ...

Yeah, I know. You are right, of course. I just can't honestly figure out why this guy would go and beat the hell out of this kid and them shoot him.


I think he wanted to be a "hero" so badly, that saw the kid as a dangerous gang banger that needed to be stopped. After the kid started defending himself, Zimmerman pulled the gun to "stop" him and then accidentally shot him in panic.

Or may have shot the kid to get rid of the only witness to his beating.
 
2012-03-31 10:20:58 PM  
So he...... Picked a fight with a guy standing 200 feet from his own house, fight escalated, and he shot a child when he was going to be punched?

Being an idiot isn't a viable defense in a homicide trial. Fail.
 
2012-03-31 10:21:02 PM  

Hobodeluxe: there is such a thing as solitary confinement. I agree though that in gen pop someone would kill stand their ground him.


ZTFY.
 
2012-03-31 10:22:57 PM  

Grables'Daughter: clancifer: There are people who believe that it is Zimmerman crying for help? What color is the sky in their world??

/raises hand

Please don't get mad at me.

I thought that maybe Zimmerman was following and harassing Martin, and that maybe Martin was beating him up, THEN Zimmerman pulled out the gun and shot him.


You get credit for being honest. That's huge on Fark. Good on ya.
 
2012-03-31 10:25:12 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: I think he wanted to be a "hero" so badly, that saw the kid as a dangerous gang banger that needed to be stopped. After the kid started defending himself, Zimmerman pulled the gun to "stop" him and then accidentally shot him in panic..


For what its worth, my gut feeling is that something along these lines is what happened. Zimmerman figured he could play the hero, take down this kid and say he stopped a thug, then go home and masturbate furiously for the rest of the month. But Zimmerman either underestimated the kid OR overestimated his own abilities. things get heated, Zimmerman escalates and BANG! dead kid and Zimmerman has to make up a story fast.

everything we're hearing now about Zimmerman says 'inflated ego' and 'poor impulse control'. add guns and chest thumping bravado to the mix and its a bad deal any way you look at it.
 
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