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2012-03-31 08:14:45 PM
That is some scary shiat there. And the cops aren't behaving very well either.
 
2012-03-31 08:26:22 PM
Trekkies being searched by a K-9?

So the Who/Trek wars are finally here.

www.starstore.com
 
2012-03-31 08:34:59 PM

Equilibrist: That is some scary shiat there. And the cops aren't behaving very well either.


cops aren't paid to behave, they're paid to seize property and make money for the state and local government. sure, you occasionally run into a good guy, but the incentive is to seize property first and ask questions later. keep that up long enough and every cop on the police force will get the message - civil rights are secondary, profit comes first.
 
2012-03-31 08:38:15 PM
Watched all 17 minutes of this a week or two ago. That cop just couldn't fathom that his hunch was wrong.
 
2012-03-31 08:43:28 PM

sirgrim: Watched all 17 minutes of this a week or two ago. That cop just couldn't fathom that his hunch was wrong.


sad to say but you cannot cooperate with the police anymore. there is just no reason to trust 'em and in fact several very good reasons to STFU and get a lawyer.
 
2012-03-31 08:44:29 PM
A pig being a pig? I'm shocked. I have to lie down.
 
2012-03-31 08:47:45 PM

Weaver95: sirgrim: Watched all 17 minutes of this a week or two ago. That cop just couldn't fathom that his hunch was wrong.

sad to say but you cannot cooperate with the police anymore. there is just no reason to trust 'em and in fact several very good reasons to STFU and get a lawyer.


The new Mirand warning is "You have the right to remain silent. I have the right to TAZE THE FARK OUT OF YOU FOR REMAINING SILENT!"
 
2012-03-31 08:49:37 PM
why it's so difficult to take problematic cops out of the police force.

It would be easy- just fire them all. Problem solved.
 
2012-03-31 08:51:41 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Weaver95: sirgrim: Watched all 17 minutes of this a week or two ago. That cop just couldn't fathom that his hunch was wrong.

sad to say but you cannot cooperate with the police anymore. there is just no reason to trust 'em and in fact several very good reasons to STFU and get a lawyer.

The new Mirand warning is "You have the right to remain silent. I have the right to TAZE THE FARK OUT OF YOU FOR REMAINING SILENT!"


there's a good youtube video floating around out there by a law prof citing all the reasons why it's a bad idea to cooperate with the cops. i'm at work or I'd dig up a link...but one of the reasons in that video sticks with me clear as day: 'you have the right to remain silent - anything you say can and will be used against you.'. notice the wording - 'against you'. it can ONLY be used against you. Even if you are innocent and try to explain things....it doesn't matter. what you say can and will be used against you. that right there is reason enough to STFU and let a lawyer do the talking. especially if you are innocent - innocent people get f*cked over by the cops even easier than criminals. after all, the criminals know where the lines are drawn, sometimes even better than the cops do.
 
2012-03-31 09:32:25 PM
In other news, if the cops decide they want to put your ass in jail, they'll probably figure out a way.

You have a problem with that? Talk to the GOP. They invented the Crime Control state that put us here today. Well, invented much of the practice. They stole the idea from George Wallace.

Like still having civil rights? Thank a liberal, and in particular thank the Warren Court. If it wasn't for activist judges, you wouldn't have any rights.
 
2012-03-31 09:49:15 PM

Weaver95: FirstNationalBastard: Weaver95: sirgrim: Watched all 17 minutes of this a week or two ago. That cop just couldn't fathom that his hunch was wrong.

sad to say but you cannot cooperate with the police anymore. there is just no reason to trust 'em and in fact several very good reasons to STFU and get a lawyer.

The new Mirand warning is "You have the right to remain silent. I have the right to TAZE THE FARK OUT OF YOU FOR REMAINING SILENT!"

there's a good youtube video floating around out there by a law prof citing all the reasons why it's a bad idea to cooperate with the cops. i'm at work or I'd dig up a link...but one of the reasons in that video sticks with me clear as day: 'you have the right to remain silent - anything you say can and will be used against you.'. notice the wording - 'against you'. it can ONLY be used against you. Even if you are innocent and try to explain things....it doesn't matter. what you say can and will be used against you. that right there is reason enough to STFU and let a lawyer do the talking. especially if you are innocent - innocent people get f*cked over by the cops even easier than criminals. after all, the criminals know where the lines are drawn, sometimes even better than the cops do.


Not only that, he has a cop speak right after him , telling the class he is 100% correct.

Link (new window)
 
2012-03-31 09:49:26 PM
But just as Huff is set to get back into his car, Reichert says, "Let me ask you a question real quick."

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Oh, and

THUGS IN UNIFORM THREAD!!!
 
2012-03-31 09:49:36 PM
I dunno...I might search Trekkies just on general principle. Especially if anyone in the car was dressed up like Mr. Spock.
 
2012-03-31 09:49:49 PM
Weaver95
STFU and let a lawyer do the talking

I wish it was that simple, but it's also true that the police aren't always looking for an arrest. If they're not trying to arrest you, talking can work, and not talking might make them suspicious even if you haven't done anything. If they are trying to arrest you, then, yeah, STFU except for asking for a lawyer.
 
2012-03-31 09:56:47 PM
But then they came for the furries... and I was alright with that.
 
2012-03-31 09:58:08 PM

GAT_00: In other news, if the cops decide they want to put your ass in jail, they'll probably figure out a way.

You have a problem with that? Talk to the GOP. They invented the Crime Control state that put us here today. Well, invented much of the practice. They stole the idea from George Wallace.

Like still having civil rights? Thank a liberal, and in particular thank the Warren Court. If it wasn't for activist judges, you wouldn't have any rights.


The people that put up the "Save America - Impeach Earl Warren" signs are alive and well today. They wrote the Patriot Act.
 
2012-03-31 10:00:06 PM
The quickest fix is to change asset forfeiture laws to require that all assets confiscated have to be auctioned to the public and ALL the proceeds be given to the state to fund public libraries. There would be an almost immediate end to this nonsense.
 
2012-03-31 10:01:00 PM
Ha, I had the same thing happen to me in Illinois 15 years ago.

Out of state license, just passing through the state, same bullshiat about unsafe lane change (untrue), same thing about anyone in the car using drugs, 30 minutes of interrogation in his car away from everyone else in my car, blah blah. Eventually they let us go after I just told him where we were going and denied any wrongdoing multiple times (and it was even true!)

No K9, but obviously they've been training the Illinois pigs (I'll call a cop a cop and an officer an officer, and I mean pigs here) to do this for at least that long.
 
2012-03-31 10:01:36 PM
Trekker.
 
2012-03-31 10:02:59 PM
If they were fans of that horrible abortion that was Star Trek 2009, they should have been shipped to gitmo.
 
2012-03-31 10:03:13 PM

sirgrim: Watched all 17 minutes of this a week or two ago. That cop just couldn't fathom that his hunch was wrong.


He doesn't even need a hunch, he's just stopping random out of state cars and looking for barely probable cause to confiscate the car and their cash.
 
2012-03-31 10:04:40 PM
Honestly, that was a little more than I want to read just now, but I did make it as far as "let me ask you a question real quick", and it all went to shiat from there.
In my experience, a "real quick question" can only be a bad thing. People either want advice for free from a professional (but it's just a quick question! I shouldn't have to pay for someone's education and expertise), or else someone is trying to trick you (as is the case here).
Stay away from "quick questions".
 
2012-03-31 10:04:47 PM
That story sounds very, very similar to my own experience with a police officer and a K-9 back in 1998 or 1999.

Except that I knew enough to argue with the cop over why the dog was "hitting" on my vehicle. As I told him, "I'd farking jump up and bark to, if you started yelling at me and hitting the spot in front of my nose saying, 'Right here! Right here!'"

No search took place in my car that night.

These days, though, I always opt to tell the officer, "Sure! Let's do this! You got a garbage bag, right? 'Cause I ain't cleaned this farker in about six months and I think there's a burger or something in there that farking stinks and I'd love some help finding it."

That works too.
 
2012-03-31 10:04:54 PM
These idiots think they are good cops. They have no clue why anyone would be upset with the things they do.
 
2012-03-31 10:06:00 PM

GAT_00: In other news, if the cops decide they want to put your ass in jail, they'll probably figure out a way.

You have a problem with that? Talk to the GOP. They invented the Crime Control state that put us here today. Well, invented much of the practice. They stole the idea from George Wallace.

Like still having civil rights? Thank a liberal, and in particular thank the Warren Court. If it wasn't for activist judges, you wouldn't have any rights.


Yeah, liberals are such huge defenders of our constipational rights. The GOP just steamrolled them, that's all; they aren't at all complicit. Are you really this stupid? I mean, if you want to say the democrats are better on the issue than republicans, fine, but face facts: if the democrats are a little better than the republicans it's only because their supporters are slightly more intelligent and they can't lie quite as blatantly. When they can get away with it, though, they trample our rights just as much. If you want to say they're the lesser of two evils, fine, but you always talk about the American faux-left wing as though they're actually good; it insults my inteligence and makes me very angry. Clinton increased the federal antidrug budget more than any previous president and you still think democrats give a rat's ass about rights? GTFO, you partisan hack. It's okay to overlook evil and corruption when it's our team doing it, is that it? You disgust me nearly as much as your conservative counterpart. Literally the only reason I would vote for a democrat is the judicial appointments, I agree that they are substantially better on that.
 
2012-03-31 10:08:20 PM

mat catastrophe:
Except that I knew enough to argue with the cop over why the dog was "hitting" on my vehicle. As I told him, "I'd farking jump up and bark to too, if you started yelling at me and hitting the spot in front of my nose saying, 'Right here! Right here!'"


Dammit. *Never* click "post immediately". Never.
 
2012-03-31 10:08:23 PM

RanDomino: Weaver95
STFU and let a lawyer do the talking

I wish it was that simple, but it's also true that the police aren't always looking for an arrest. If they're not trying to arrest you, talking can work, and not talking might make them suspicious even if you haven't done anything. If they are trying to arrest you, then, yeah, STFU except for asking for a lawyer.


it's exactly that simple. take your traffic ticket, yes or no answers only, ask if you are under arrest and if they say yes, the ONLY thing you say is that you want a lawyer. Don't talk to anyone, don't admit to anything, don't explain nothing to anyone...STFU until your lawyer gets there. If the cop says you are free to go, nod politely and walk slowly to the car, ignoring anything else, and drive safe but get the f*ck outta there fast as you can.
 
2012-03-31 10:09:16 PM
oh and never, ever NEVER consent to a search. not for any reason ever.
 
2012-03-31 10:11:36 PM
Three times now, in Wisconsin, I have been the passenger in a car that was stopped. Each stop was for things like expired tags and a broken tail light. Each time I was asked to produce my I.D.. This was at one time illegal.I don't if it still is but, the one time I said "I don't have I.D. and don't want to tell you who I am" we were searched and since my friend was getting mad at me I told them my name. I was given a ticket for obstructing justice. The police can do what ever they want.
 
2012-03-31 10:12:24 PM

Gyrfalcon: I dunno...I might search Trekkies just on general principle. Especially if anyone in the car was dressed up like Mr. Spock.


But they don't have any pockets.
 
2012-03-31 10:12:35 PM

RanDomino: Weaver95
STFU and let a lawyer do the talking

I wish it was that simple, but it's also true that the police aren't always looking for an arrest. If they're not trying to arrest you, talking can work, and not talking might make them suspicious even if you haven't done anything. If they are trying to arrest you, then, yeah, STFU except for asking for a lawyer.


Great, they can be as suspicious as they want but a polite "am I free to go" is pretty cut and dried. So is "I don't consent to any searches." So is "I am remaining silent until I speak with an attorney."
 
2012-03-31 10:12:45 PM

Weaver95: oh and never, ever NEVER consent to a search. not for any reason ever.


If people only did this, this whole "the cops searched my car and then arrested me! I don't know how they did it!" would screech to a halt very quickly.

That, and if you must smoke pot DON'T KEEP IT IN YOUR CAR!!!!

"They searched my car! Then they found my pot and arrested me! That's so unfair!"

No, that's stupid. If your pot wasn't in your car, they could search it for a week and it wouldn't matter you dumb pothead.
 
2012-03-31 10:13:25 PM
Everything, and I really think everything official in this country is 100% grounded in money. The police used to be paid to make your community safer; now, they are paid to help balance the budget.

/Getting more cynical every day.
 
2012-03-31 10:17:14 PM
What an incredibly bad traffic stop... not just that the reasoning is bogus and that the "search" is totally in violation of the law, but even just from a basic "how to do a traffic stop" perspective, Officer Reichert repeatedly directs the driver (and enters himself) the area between the two vehicles...there's a reason it's called the "kill zone." Reviewing the video, I can't for the life of me think of a single thing the cop did correctly. The scary part here is that this guy TAUGHT a frickin course on how to conduct traffic stops... everyone who took his class learned how to do just about everything WRONG. The course, if he told them to put suspects in the kill zone and approach them there repeatedly, puts everyone in more danger.
 
2012-03-31 10:20:29 PM
I was waiting for him to mention the cop ate his JITB fries.
/just bitter we don't have them up here, and i've always wanted to try one
 
2012-03-31 10:24:14 PM

sendbillmoney: RanDomino: Weaver95
STFU and let a lawyer do the talking

I wish it was that simple, but it's also true that the police aren't always looking for an arrest. If they're not trying to arrest you, talking can work, and not talking might make them suspicious even if you haven't done anything. If they are trying to arrest you, then, yeah, STFU except for asking for a lawyer.

Great, they can be as suspicious as they want but a polite "am I free to go" is pretty cut and dried. So is "I don't consent to any searches." So is "I am remaining silent until I speak with an attorney."


The problem is this tactic will often result in them beating the snot out of you while the dashboard cam "malfunctions" then charge you with resisting arrest.
 
2012-03-31 10:24:36 PM
Some truly draconian consequences for abuse of power like this would probably make most of it stop in a heartbeat. I'm thinking something along the lines of winding up the full righteous wrath and punishment of the federal Conspiracy for Deprivation of Rights Under The Color Of Law statute...

...life without parole, or death.
 
2012-03-31 10:26:27 PM
Simple phrase: "I have all day, get a warrant."
 
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2012-03-31 10:29:33 PM
Madision County Illinois is probably one of the most corrupt counties in the country, And that not even accounting for their court system. It was in the news for years and years around here.
 
2012-03-31 10:30:08 PM

malaktaus: Clinton increased the federal antidrug budget more than any previous president and you still think democrats give a rat's ass about rights?


Yes, that's exactly the same thing as trying to prevent civil rights, trying to keep people from voting, trying to take away women's rights, openly creating bills whose sole purpose is to traumatize women for getting a medical procedure...

Do I need to go on? Take your both sides are bad shtick and shove it up your ass.
 
2012-03-31 10:31:21 PM

ArrogantGod: sendbillmoney: RanDomino: Weaver95
STFU and let a lawyer do the talking

I wish it was that simple, but it's also true that the police aren't always looking for an arrest. If they're not trying to arrest you, talking can work, and not talking might make them suspicious even if you haven't done anything. If they are trying to arrest you, then, yeah, STFU except for asking for a lawyer.

Great, they can be as suspicious as they want but a polite "am I free to go" is pretty cut and dried. So is "I don't consent to any searches." So is "I am remaining silent until I speak with an attorney."

The problem is this tactic will often result in them beating the snot out of you while the dashboard cam "malfunctions" then charge you with resisting arrest.


It is best to be very respectful to the police. Explain to them that your rights are very important to you and you would like to exercise them. Let them know that you are not just being a pain in the ass.
 
2012-03-31 10:33:47 PM
The Illinois State Police run an anti-drug task force in Southern Illinois called Operation Valkyrie. It is very successful at catching interstate drug smugglers, consistently coming up with large busts. They know the profiles well enough to not fark with a couple of trekkies when there are semi loads of pot rolling by.
 
2012-03-31 10:39:29 PM

badhatharry: It is best to be very respectful to the police. Explain to them that your rights are very important to you and you would like to exercise them. Let them know that you are not just being a pain in the ass.


Oh wait, you're serious?
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Let us laugh even harder!

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2012-03-31 10:43:41 PM

ArrogantGod: sendbillmoney: RanDomino: Weaver95
STFU and let a lawyer do the talking

I wish it was that simple, but it's also true that the police aren't always looking for an arrest. If they're not trying to arrest you, talking can work, and not talking might make them suspicious even if you haven't done anything. If they are trying to arrest you, then, yeah, STFU except for asking for a lawyer.

Great, they can be as suspicious as they want but a polite "am I free to go" is pretty cut and dried. So is "I don't consent to any searches." So is "I am remaining silent until I speak with an attorney."

The problem is this tactic will often result in them beating the snot out of you while the dashboard cam "malfunctions" then charge you with resisting arrest.


It depends how you do it. "F*ck you, I don't have to let you search my car, I know my rights you dumb pig," will almost certainly get you a beating, and probably an arrest for obstruction of justice. However, a "Sir, am I free to leave now? I have to get to work," is probably safe enough. Don't go waving your GED in Law in their faces, and unlike here on Fark, name-calling and telling them how much you hate cops won't work.

I know it rubs most people the wrong way to be nice to cops, but is it really so hard to be polite just once in a while? Even if the cops were dead wrong for stopping you? I myself don't have the extra $1000 to spend on bail, so I am usually nice to police even when they're dicks; but if you have that kind of money to throw away, by all means, piss off the guys who can beat you senseless. I'll be available for your defense later.
 
DVD
2012-03-31 10:44:39 PM
Abuse of police powers is a big deal, and I'd like to see the news stay focused a bit more on this type of behavior, especially in places like Madison county and Maricopa county.

That said, I understand that there are populated areas that don't have any sort of police presence, but they aren't much fun to live in.
 
2012-03-31 10:48:05 PM
who cares, it's just some nerd who got hassled. he was probably high.
 
2012-03-31 10:52:15 PM

Gyrfalcon: I dunno...I might search Trekkies just on general principle. Especially if anyone in the car was dressed up like Mr. Spock.


Hey, hey, what's wrong with Trekkies? I'm wearing a yellow Star Trek shirt right now.
www.yesanime.com
 
2012-03-31 10:53:16 PM

GAT_00: malaktaus: Clinton increased the federal antidrug budget more than any previous president and you still think democrats give a rat's ass about rights?

Yes, that's exactly the same thing as trying to prevent civil rights, trying to keep people from voting, trying to take away women's rights, openly creating bills whose sole purpose is to traumatize women for getting a medical procedure...

Do I need to go on? Take your both sides are bad shtick and shove it up your ass.


The PATRIOT Act passed with bipartisan support. Most of the very worst laws pass with bipartisan support. But it's okay when it's your team doing it, right? You still had better vote democrat, otherwise the awful republicans will gain control. I have news for you: the republicans have controlled the government before, and they will again. Fear of republican rule is not a reason to vote for democrats. If you honestly think the democrats are good you're merely a fool, but either way it's precisely because of people like you that we have a two party system, and the two party system is destroying this nation.
 
2012-03-31 10:59:05 PM
Nancy Reagan: "Just say no to drugs!"

Congress: "You go girl! Let's declare a War on Civil Liberties Drugs!"

Wingnuts: "Heil Reagan!"

Michelle Obama: "Kids need to start eating healthy."

Congress: crickets

Wingnuts: "zOMG SOOOOOOOOOOOCIALISM!"
 
2012-03-31 11:00:49 PM
good thing they weren't wearing red shirts.
 
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