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(Austin Statesman)   Texas raises speed limit near Austin to 80... but only if you pay $6.40 toll   (statesman.com) divider line 79
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2012-03-31 08:49:17 AM  
This will still be 10 mph slower than everyone drives. LIKE A BOSS.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-03-31 01:00:41 PM  
Keywords: toll road non-compete. The higher the toll road speed limit is relative to I-35, the more money Texas gets. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/20/2025.asp, http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/3433. At least Texas is being nicer than Colorado, where traffic signals were installed to mess up traffic on roads near E-470.
 
2012-03-31 01:59:18 PM  
6.40 is still a better deal than sitting in 35 traffic through downtown for over an hour
 
2012-03-31 02:57:35 PM  
Still worth it at triple the cost if you are passing through Austin
 
2012-03-31 03:10:03 PM  
you gotta pay the 6.40 toll to get in the boy's hole.
 
2012-03-31 03:20:11 PM  

A Bloody Disaster: This will still be 10 mph slower than everyone drives. LIKE A BOSS.


It means they will drive 90 mph and not get ticketed, while the 'less fortunate', driving the same speed or less, will be stopped, delayed, harrassed and fined, not to mention their being late for work in the process. Note: all the things that can be said about the wretched proles needing to plan better, leave earlier, etccan also be said about the toll-road users.
The wretched proles will benefit from the slightly lessened traffic. Of course, they will all vote GOP in November...so, f*ck 'em anyway.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-03-31 03:43:18 PM  
It means they will drive 90 mph and not get ticketed

In parts of Texas the tradeoff is reasonable speed limits enforced as posted. If the speed limit is 75 on a two lane road you'll get a ticket if you're caught doing 80. I can't say whether Austin works that way.

The company running these roads wants minimum ticketing because tickets scare away toll-paying drivers. The state wants the company to be happy. Local police departments, if they are allowed to patrol the road, want maximum local revenue without regard for how much money the company makes.
 
2012-03-31 04:04:42 PM  
It means they will drive 90 mph and not get ticketed

In parts of Texas the tradeoff is reasonable speed limits enforced as posted. If the speed limit is 75 on a two lane road you'll get a ticket if you're caught doing 80. I can't say whether Austin works that way.

The company running these roads wants minimum ticketing because tickets scare away toll-paying drivers. The state wants the company to be happy. Local police departments, if they are allowed to patrol the road, want maximum local revenue without regard for how much money the company makes.

Are you really going to lecture me on Texas policing variations from up there in Boston? Why don't you just describe your experience in Mass. instead?
 
2012-03-31 04:48:04 PM  
Worth it at twice the price. That stretch of 35 becomes a parking lot at rush hour. In the summer, it's virtually a parking lot as everyone rushes to New Braunfels and San Antonio.
 
2012-03-31 04:51:16 PM  
Except Austin traffic is full of people already going 10+ UNDER the speed limit in the left hand lane, during the few times when traffic is moving at all. Coming up on someone going 20 under while the rest of us weave and bob to avoid hitting them seems just extra awful.
 
2012-03-31 04:51:31 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: A Bloody Disaster: This will still be 10 mph slower than everyone drives. LIKE A BOSS.

It means they will drive 90 mph and not get ticketed, while the 'less fortunate', driving the same speed or less, will be stopped, delayed, harrassed and fined, not to mention their being late for work in the process. Note: all the things that can be said about the wretched proles needing to plan better, leave earlier, etccan also be said about the toll-road users.
The wretched proles will benefit from the slightly lessened traffic. Of course, they will all vote GOP in November...so, f*ck 'em anyway.


You sound unfamiliar with Austin...
 
2012-03-31 04:52:00 PM  
In other news, speed limits on long stretches of I-10 and I-20 in Texas have been 80 for years.
 
2012-03-31 04:52:36 PM  
Gotta get those pineapples to Hawaii!
 
2012-03-31 04:54:07 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: The wretched proles will benefit from the slightly lessened traffic. Of course, they will all vote GOP in November...so, f*ck 'em anyway.


Oh yes, everyone knows big cities in Texas vote for the GOP, ESPECIALLY Austin. Dumb ass.
 
kth
2012-03-31 04:58:38 PM  
I paid a $300 toll to go 77 in a 55 in Central Texas, last time I was in the state...

dammit. I hate Texas.
 
2012-03-31 05:00:21 PM  

brianbutz: 6.40 is still a better deal than sitting in 35 traffic through downtown for over an hour


I'd pay double not to have to come anywhere near 35 at any time.

Dang, now I've gone and given those a-holes an idea. Sorry.
 
2012-03-31 05:01:57 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: ..... Of course, they will all vote GOP in November...so, f*ck 'em anyway.



only thing i can think of to say to that is "Y'all ain't from around here are ya boy?"
 
2012-03-31 05:04:27 PM  
DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke:The wretched proles will benefit from the slightly lessened traffic. Of course, they will all vote GOP in November...so, f*ck 'em anyway.

Citation needed.

/All large cities went democrat last presidential election (Htown, Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, Ft Worth and El Paso just to name a few)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/tx.htm
 
2012-03-31 05:09:45 PM  
My favorite thing about about Texas driving is when they get over into the breakdown lane to let you pass. It is probably safer than passing the yellow line, but I don't know why they don't just make the road double laned in the first place. I mean, when the whole road is lined with a breakdown lane...
 
2012-03-31 05:10:29 PM  

Bobblehead_Dave: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke:The wretched proles will benefit from the slightly lessened traffic. Of course, they will all vote GOP in November...so, f*ck 'em anyway.

Citation needed.

/All large cities went democrat last presidential election (Htown, Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, Ft Worth and El Paso just to name a few)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/tx.htm


Shh; traffic is bad enough without more west coast rejects.

/we're all really gun-totin good ol boys down here; the dream of the 90's is alive in Portland, PORTLAND; go there, you'll love it
 
2012-03-31 05:13:28 PM  

TheJoe03: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: The wretched proles will benefit from the slightly lessened traffic. Of course, they will all vote GOP in November...so, f*ck 'em anyway.

Oh yes, everyone knows big cities in Texas vote for the GOP, ESPECIALLY Austin. Dumb ass.


This snark is appropriate. There are a handful of politically blue counties in Texas. Travis county (which contains Austin) tops the list.
 
2012-03-31 05:14:13 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke:
The wretched proles will benefit from the slightly lessened traffic. Of course, they will all vote GOP in November...so, f*ck 'em anyway.


Wrong. Just wrong.
 
2012-03-31 05:14:38 PM  
what went wrong with TX?

yeah population growth. but damn austin and the surrounding area used to be a good place to live. of course i haven't lived there since the mid 70s so what do i know.
 
2012-03-31 05:17:01 PM  

Bobblehead_Dave: /All large cities went democrat last presidential election (Htown, Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, Ft Worth and El Paso just to name a few)


You are mistaken with respect to Fort Worth. In the DFW area Dallas county votes blue, Tarrant county (Ft. Worth) votes red.
 
2012-03-31 05:17:56 PM  

Curious: what went wrong with TX?

yeah population growth. but damn austin and the surrounding area used to be a good place to live. of course i haven't lived there since the mid 70s so what do i know.


The problem with Austin is that they never wanted to update their highway infrastructure to accommodate that population boom. I live in San Antonio, and its not heaven on the highway, but its a lot better than Austin.

I can be anywhere in San Antonio in 30 minutes even during traffic, unless their is a major, MAJOR accident. I have to go through downtown just to go to school, so I'm used to it.

Austin, on the other hand, I can't even get through 35 from Lakeside to Airport in 30 minutes sometimes.
 
2012-03-31 05:20:41 PM  
so now your status is determined by your political leaning?

/how about we give the Dems the atlantic seaboard from NY to, say, North Carolina, and the West Coast. Republicans take the midwest and mountain states.
 
2012-03-31 05:21:09 PM  
Take something people already paid or.

Add a "feature".

Monetize it.

Giggle.
 
2012-03-31 05:22:43 PM  

lewismarktwo: My favorite thing about about Texas driving is when they get over into the breakdown lane to let you pass. It is probably safer than passing the yellow line, but I don't know why they don't just make the road double laned in the first place. I mean, when the whole road is lined with a breakdown lane...


This is actually required by law. If you're moving slower, and it's safe for you to do so, you are supposed to gtf over onto the shoulder. They don't make them 2 lanes each way, since they need to have a shoulder in case things go squirrelly and it's really hard to change a tire on the soft dirt that's prevalent in much of the state.
 
2012-03-31 05:29:31 PM  
A Bloody Disaster: LIKE A BOSS.

You would fit right in with a group of 13 year olds.

As for the story: Speed limit on I-95 just past Old Town, Maine is 75 now and if you are doing 80 nobody is going to pull you over. So I can do 80 for free.
 
2012-03-31 05:32:19 PM  
fark tolll roads.
 
2012-03-31 05:35:52 PM  

Curious: what went wrong with TX?

yeah population growth. but damn austin and the surrounding area used to be a good place to live. of course i haven't lived there since the mid 70s so what do i know.


George Dubya Bush. Then Rick Perry, who seems to own the state as a lifetime appointment now. Although, his dismal, clowninsh performance on the national stage may have diminished him, but his next election remains a long way away. He was used to being in relatively... "controlled" public environment where, basically, his people controlled the questions and could predict how his base would respond. Once he went on to try the national stage, it was apparent how out-of-touch he really is.

The idea of selling off the state's infrastructure to Spain instead of developing it for the greater benefit of all was Perry's idea. He even sold them existing highways, made with taxpayer money, to become privately owned toll roads.

He wanted to do a LOT more, too. His original "master plan" was the Trans-Texas Corridor (new window), a massive right-of-way for all utilities as well as traffic. Fundamentally, it may not have been a bad plan for infrastructure growth, except for the basic idea that Cintra would own the whole thing.

Because you basically DON'T OWN THE STATE anymore. Contractual rights are very powerful. Not only will you never be able to get the rights back, you will constantly find they'll fark you over in ways you never imagined. Like not being able to develop any OTHER roads or gas lines without their permission, because of the perpetual noncompetition clause, extending their authority over a far wider area than the corridor itself.
 
2012-03-31 05:36:27 PM  
DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke:

Forget to switch names before posting a second time?
 
2012-03-31 05:38:06 PM  

Bobblehead_Dave: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke:The wretched proles will benefit from the slightly lessened traffic. Of course, they will all vote GOP in November...so, f*ck 'em anyway.

Citation needed.

/All large cities went democrat last presidential election (Htown, Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, Ft Worth and El Paso just to name a few)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/tx.htm


Meh. Leave 'em alone. It's funny when people try to troll one subject that they know almost nothing about by using another that they know even less about.
 
2012-03-31 05:41:43 PM  
A lot of people in Austin hate these toll roads and I guess their protest is to sit on I35 in traffic like a dumb jerk.

I don't have to use the toll roads but when I need to fly by Austin, 130 is great. I go 100 on it already. Now it is just more legal.
 
2012-03-31 05:41:59 PM  

Deoan: lewismarktwo: My favorite thing about about Texas driving is when they get over into the breakdown lane to let you pass. It is probably safer than passing the yellow line, but I don't know why they don't just make the road double laned in the first place. I mean, when the whole road is lined with a breakdown lane...

This is actually required by law. If you're moving slower, and it's safe for you to do so, you are supposed to gtf over onto the shoulder. They don't make them 2 lanes each way, since they need to have a shoulder in case things go squirrelly and it's really hard to change a tire on the soft dirt that's prevalent in much of the state.


Wrong. It is permitted by law. It is not required.

There are stretches of two-lane highway where I am happy to move to the should er to let you pass. If it is daylight with good visibility and I can see that the shoulder is clear I will move over.

There are other stretches of road (that I drive through every day to get to work before sunrise) that are hilly enough to obscure visibility and the shoulder is too narrow. I won't move over regardless of how aggressively you tailgate me.

No one is required to drive on the shoulder. They may do so as a courtesy if they feel it is safe.

Link
 
2012-03-31 05:44:09 PM  

Oznog: Curious: what went wrong with TX?

yeah population growth. but damn austin and the surrounding area used to be a good place to live. of course i haven't lived there since the mid 70s so what do i know.

George Dubya Bush. Then Rick Perry, who seems to own the state as a lifetime appointment now. Although, his dismal, clowninsh performance on the national stage may have diminished him, but his next election remains a long way away. He was used to being in relatively... "controlled" public environment where, basically, his people controlled the questions and could predict how his base would respond. Once he went on to try the national stage, it was apparent how out-of-touch he really is.

The idea of selling off the state's infrastructure to Spain instead of developing it for the greater benefit of all was Perry's idea. He even sold them existing highways, made with taxpayer money, to become privately owned toll roads.

He wanted to do a LOT more, too. His original "master plan" was the Trans-Texas Corridor (new window), a massive right-of-way for all utilities as well as traffic. Fundamentally, it may not have been a bad plan for infrastructure growth, except for the basic idea that Cintra would own the whole thing.

Because you basically DON'T OWN THE STATE anymore. Contractual rights are very powerful. Not only will you never be able to get the rights back, you will constantly find they'll fark you over in ways you never imagined. Like not being able to develop any OTHER roads or gas lines without their permission, because of the perpetual noncompetition clause, extending their authority over a far wider area than the corridor itself.


Private companies would eventually run out of money if they had to, say, keep repairing their offerings. Hey we just built this highway last year, and already there are 2ft deep potholes all over the place! Guess we need to raise rates again to repair it! We just repaired those 2ft deep potholes, now we need to go repair a bunch of support columns that the local yokels used to test out their chainsaws?? Why are our road crews' machines always broken??
 
2012-03-31 05:50:54 PM  

TheChadnt: Deoan: lewismarktwo: My favorite thing about about Texas driving is when they get over into the breakdown lane to let you pass. It is probably safer than passing the yellow line, but I don't know why they don't just make the road double laned in the first place. I mean, when the whole road is lined with a breakdown lane...

This is actually required by law. If you're moving slower, and it's safe for you to do so, you are supposed to gtf over onto the shoulder. They don't make them 2 lanes each way, since they need to have a shoulder in case things go squirrelly and it's really hard to change a tire on the soft dirt that's prevalent in much of the state.

Wrong. It is permitted by law. It is not required.

There are stretches of two-lane highway where I am happy to move to the should er to let you pass. If it is daylight with good visibility and I can see that the shoulder is clear I will move over.

There are other stretches of road (that I drive through every day to get to work before sunrise) that are hilly enough to obscure visibility and the shoulder is too narrow. I won't move over regardless of how aggressively you tailgate me.

No one is required to drive on the shoulder. They may do so as a courtesy if they feel it is safe.

Link


I stand corrected. That's what I get for believing a memory from driver's ed 13 years ago...
 
2012-03-31 05:51:09 PM  
Is EA Games running the Texas DOT?

Now, Austin CommuteTM DLC! Unlocks Super Speed and Ticket Shield! Preorder on Origin now and get the bonus Policeman's Fund window sticker!
 
2012-03-31 05:51:50 PM  
misanthropic1
TheJoe03
lecas
Bobblehead_Dave
TheChadnt
rockforever


Sheeet, I was voting for Lloyd Doggett when most of you were suckin' your mama's tit.

That tollway runs from Georgetown through Hutto and down the eastern edge of Travis Co. to Buda on the border of Hays Co, Do ya'll think Williamson Co and Hays Co. commuters, whether on I35 or the toll road, are 'blue'??
 
2012-03-31 05:54:53 PM  
Part of my daily commute involves a back road, 2 lanes, with limited passing opportunities. There's a lot of hills, a lot of fairly sharp turns(for a 55 zone), and a lot of people that feel the need to go 45 because it's damp(or are old, or whatever). So I came up with this: The "Doesn't Drive Like a biatch" road. Take a separate, harder driving test, the road connects areas of major import, min speed 85 max speed 90. 2 lanes in one direction, min AND max speed limit strictly enforced.

/it would make my commute a lot easier, anyways
 
2012-03-31 05:55:33 PM  
The sport for the locals will be to walk up to the toll road right of way and throw enormous quantities of nails onto the road. It ain't like that locals will be driving on the toll road.

/locals=p.w.t.
 
2012-03-31 05:55:48 PM  
This is how to decrease how much you have to spend on gasoline. No, that would be the President's fault.
 
2012-03-31 05:59:39 PM  
All personal vehicles should be banned, and everyone forced to use public transportation. Just like in the old country.
 
2012-03-31 06:05:10 PM  

Oznog: Curious: what went wrong with TX?

yeah population growth. but damn austin and the surrounding area used to be a good place to live. of course i haven't lived there since the mid 70s so what do i know.

George Dubya Bush. Then Rick Perry, who seems to own the state as a lifetime appointment now. Although, his dismal, clowninsh performance on the national stage may have diminished him, but his next election remains a long way away. He was used to being in relatively... "controlled" public environment where, basically, his people controlled the questions and could predict how his base would respond. Once he went on to try the national stage, it was apparent how out-of-touch he really is.

The idea of selling off the state's infrastructure to Spain instead of developing it for the greater benefit of all was Perry's idea. He even sold them existing highways, made with taxpayer money, to become privately owned toll roads.

He wanted to do a LOT more, too. His original "master plan" was the Trans-Texas Corridor (new window), a massive right-of-way for all utilities as well as traffic. Fundamentally, it may not have been a bad plan for infrastructure growth, except for the basic idea that Cintra would own the whole thing.

Because you basically DON'T OWN THE STATE anymore. Contractual rights are very powerful. Not only will you never be able to get the rights back, you will constantly find they'll fark you over in ways you never imagined. Like not being able to develop any OTHER roads or gas lines without their permission, because of the perpetual noncompetition clause, extending their authority over a far wider area than the corridor itself.


LOL I just read to the bottom line:
To help pay for building the roads and rails, the highways would have been partially financed through private investment.[citation needed] The investors would have then operated the highways as toll roads.[29]
Based on The Cintra-Zachry Preliminary Financial Plan (TTC-35 Development Agreement, Exhibit C) funding the TTC-35 Corridor awarded to Cintra-Zachry showed that 22%(1) of the initial infrastructure costs were shown to be funded with equity provided by Cintra-Zachry. The other 78% was to be provided by bank loans or bonds arranged by Cintra-Zachry. Based on then-current federal regulations these bonds could have been tax-exempt. It was also noted in the financial plan that Cintra-Zachry expected to have 12% return on investment for their equity partners. The 12% return was after taxes, which would have been approximately equivalent to 16% before taxes. The plan called for paying off the bank loans and the bonds prior to retiring the equity as shown in cash flow diagrams of the Preliminary Financial Plan (TTC-35 Development Agreement, Exhibit C). With usual bond financing there is a 3:1 ratio between total fees collected and value of capital infrastructure built. With TTC-35 the ratio was in the order of magnitude of 13:1. So while TTC-35 committed to construct $8 billion in infrastructure Cintra-Zachry expected to collect $114 billion in toll revenues as shown in the preliminary plan. A report by the Texas State Auditor estimated the toll to be collected for TTC-35 to be $104 billion or more, confirming the order of magnitude of tolls collected.[30]


Holy crap Perry was making a one-sided deal with Cintra-Zachry. And the state didn't get the good side. It's like... he wasn't very good with numbers. If the deal was $8B upfront and makes $114B, why doesn't the state just figure out how to issue $8B in bonds and/or get federal funding basically fix its budget deficit?

The TTC plan was not only opposed by Democrats, but Republicans too. He had a couple of close personal friends in high places absolutely loyal to the TTC, and basically everyone else against it.

It's kinda hard to explain Perry's power to outsiders. He's not really an "insider" with the Republicans on the national level, and not entirely with those in-state either. In fact, in 2010, Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison came down with a heavy campaign to oust him during the Republican primary. I believe this was a sincere effort by Republicans to get rid of him, which is kind of shocking considering he was key to the 2003 Texas Redistricting plan to deliver more Republicans to the national legislature.

But he's powerful. He's been here for 11 YEARS. By now, for literally (as in, the literal sense) EVERY appointed position inside the state, he's the person who's appointed them. Sometimes twice. And about 1/4th of the appointments went to big campaign donors.

It's his little fiefdom. Why people keep buying this b.s. when the election time comes around, I can't really figure.
 
2012-03-31 06:05:51 PM  

Raithun: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke:

Forget to switch names before posting a second time?


Let me re-quote to clear that up for you:

It means they will drive 90 mph and not get ticketed - mine

In parts of Texas the tradeoff is reasonable speed limits enforced as posted. If the speed limit is 75 on a two lane road you'll get a ticket if you're caught doing 80. I can't say whether Austin works that way.

The company running these roads wants minimum ticketing because tickets scare away toll-paying drivers. The state wants the company to be happy. Local police departments, if they are allowed to patrol the road, want maximum local revenue without regard for how much money the company makes.
- ZAZ's

Are you really going to lecture me on Texas policing variations from up there in Boston? Why don't you just describe your experience in Mass. instead? - mine

And this is the centerpiece of Rick Perry's policy of renting infrastructure.
 
2012-03-31 06:09:53 PM  
A $6.40 toll which will cut down on my commute time?

Meaning that I can work OT (instead of sitting in traffic) and still get to work and back home at the same times?

And on days when I have things to do, I can get to work earlier, then leave even earlier?

Sign me up

// The OT pays for the toll several times over.

// until everyone else starts using the toll road, then it's back to square 1
 
2012-03-31 06:10:13 PM  
They should allow you to pay $50 to ignore ALL traffic laws.
 
2012-03-31 06:11:09 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: That tollway runs from Georgetown through Hutto and down the eastern edge of Travis Co. to Buda on the border of Hays Co, Do ya'll think Williamson Co and Hays Co. commuters, whether on I35 or the toll road, are 'blue'??


Your comment was still pointless. Also, using words like ALL destroys your attempt at backpedaling.

/the more you know ~*
 
2012-03-31 06:12:23 PM  

Oznog: Why people keep buying this b.s. when the election time comes around, I can't really figure.


Texas is ignorant. Check what has been done to public education in the last 20-30 years and where Texas ranks. We are trained to be subservient, knee-jerk right-wingers.
 
2012-03-31 06:16:16 PM  
www.junkbrosnews.com

Actually, the last time I was driving through Texas it took forever even at a significant twist on the dial past the legal limit, so I understand the need for speed.

(the only time I've ever driven to my limit in terms of speed and cornering started out in Texas, on a balls-out run back from Atlanta to Denver, January late 70s. Passed through Amarillo 05:30 on a totally clear Sunday @ 20 degrees, no snow or ice. By 06:00 I was halfway up to the junction of US385 and US87, and once on US87/64 I went all out - stoked as I was on coffee and cigarettes and a little somethin' somethin'. Driving a 1972.5 SS396 Camaro, Screaming Yellow Zonker, fat Pirelli radials hardly anyone had ever seen before, and lowered 1/2 inch, with beefed up sway bars, more free breathing intake and exhaust headers. Scared myself pretty good how fast it would fly. At 06:00 on a Sunday morning in the lonliest stretch of lonely you can imagine - at least back then - I figured it was my best chance to let the demon out. Rolled into Raton, NM exhausted and topped the Pass only to discover - why hells bells it's snowing up the front range and me in a skid pan qualified racer, not something to drive 200 miles in snow and ice. But I made it.)
 
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