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(Yahoo)   On April 7, at age 49, Jamie Moyer will start a game for a team that didn't exist until 7 years after he was drafted   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 73
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2012-03-31 09:08:17 AM  
The various projection systems have no idea what to do with Moyer. Most of them just have blanks-- there's really no data on what a 49-year-old lefty junkballer is capable of. The two that tried were Marcel and ZIPS-- they each projected about 12 starts and 70 IP for the season, but one projects an ERA of 4.43 (roughly the average of his 2008-2010 seasons), and the other projects 6.08.

I suspect the latter is right, but it would be a lot of fun if Moyer beats the odds. He's in the right division to try-- only the D-backs and Matt Kemp can hit.

Some former baseball players one year younger than Moyer: Ozzie Guillen, Edgar Martinez, Norm Charlton, Lenny Dykstra, Paul O'Neill, Ken Caminiti (deceased), Jose Oquendo, Ron Karkovice, Cecil Fielder, Mark McGwire, Fred McGriff, Dale Sveum, Walt Weiss, Mel Stottlemyre.

Some former baseball players the same age as Moyer: Kevin Mitchell, Robby Thompson, Cory Snyder, Eric Davis, Darryl Strawberry, Mackey Sasser, Darnell Coles, Mark Gardner, Mark Portugal, Dennis Cook, Randy McCament.

That would have been an awesome batting lineup in 1990 or so.
 
2012-03-31 10:04:41 AM  
Good for him. Minus the one-off promotions of Satchel Paige and Minnie Minoso... is he the oldest player to play an official game?
 
2012-03-31 10:29:01 AM  
well, its not like he lost velocity on his fastball....

total freak of nature. watching him pitch in philly was hillarious. they would routinely turn off the speedguns because they didnt want you to see that he was serving stuff up at 55mph...
 
2012-03-31 10:30:33 AM  
I just want to point out that at some point last season, I listed Moyer as an active player, and SOMEONE on this site was all like "Moyer doesn't count because he's never coming back from surgery."

So to whoever that was: I hope you feel dumb.
 
2012-03-31 10:32:23 AM  
In no way does this reflect poorly on the Rockies starting rotation. This is exactly the kind of move a serious franchise would make. Geezus.

//At least the Rocks have some bats...
 
2012-03-31 10:39:04 AM  
Remember the Seattle Mariners commercial making fun of Jamie Moyer being really old? That was six years ago.

Jamie Moyer was the oldest pitcher in the American League. Eight years ago.
 
2012-03-31 10:41:21 AM  
Downstairs

Wiki-ing it, Jack Quinn has him beat. But second all-time is no small feat.
 
2012-03-31 10:48:07 AM  

chimp_ninja:
Some former baseball players one year younger than Moyer: Ozzie Guillen, Edgar Martinez, Norm Charlton, Lenny Dykstra, Paul O'Neill, Ken Caminiti (deceased), Jose Oquendo, Ron Karkovice, Cecil Fielder, Mark McGwire, Fred McGriff, Dale Sveum, Walt Weiss, Mel Stottlemyre.

Some former baseball players the same age as Moyer: Kevin Mitchell, Robby Thompson, Cory Snyder, Eric Davis, Darryl Strawberry, Mackey Sasser, Darnell Coles, Mark Gardner, Mark Portugal, Dennis Cook, Randy McCament.


OMGWTFBBQ

/whatever happened to that guy?
 
2012-03-31 10:52:18 AM  

chimp_ninja: Robby Thompson



Heh. He used to live in the neighborhood where I grew up.

/nice guy
 
2012-03-31 10:52:48 AM  
Sellersville, Pa represent!!
 
2012-03-31 11:00:28 AM  
Jamie Moyer is so old, if it doesn't work out the Rockies may sign Eddie Harris as part of a "youth movement"

a323.yahoofs.com
 
2012-03-31 11:11:47 AM  
I guess you can also say that about any veteran who starts a game for any expansion team early enough in its history. In 1993 Charlie Hough started a game for a team that didn't exist until 27 years after he was drafted.
 
2012-03-31 11:20:36 AM  

chimp_ninja:

Some former baseball players one year younger than Moyer: Ozzie Guillen, Edgar Martinez, Norm Charlton, Lenny Dykstra, Paul O'Neill, Ken Caminiti (deceased), Jose Oquendo, Ron Karkovice, Cecil Fielder, Mark McGwire, Fred McGriff, Dale Sveum, Walt Weiss, Mel Stottlemyre.


Wow, I knew Moyer was getting up there, but...

/yes I know you mean Todd
 
2012-03-31 11:22:55 AM  
www.covershut.com

RIP Alison Moyet


/All I needed was the love you gave
All I needed for another day
And all I ever knew
Only you
 
2012-03-31 11:27:05 AM  
As long as Moyer is in the league, I don't feel old. Wish Seattle still had him. We might have even made the WS in 2000 had he not been hurt for the playoffs.

// All Star Auto Glass
 
2012-03-31 11:29:14 AM  

jimpoz: I guess you can also say that about any veteran who starts a game for any expansion team early enough in its history. In 1993 Charlie Hough started a game for a team that didn't exist until 27 years after he was drafted.


Yeah, I was gonna point that out, but then I got lazy.

A better Rockies 1993 stat is this: If the Rockies had taken Moyer in the expansion draft, he would've been the oldest starter on the team.

In 1993.
 
2012-03-31 11:29:40 AM  

Super Chronic: /yes I know you mean Todd


Oh god. I think he's still on the Dbacks 60 day dl.
 
2012-03-31 11:36:03 AM  

birdboy2000: Downstairs

Wiki-ing it, Jack Quinn has him beat. But second all-time is no small feat.


Its close, Quinn was 49 when he played his last game. So we'll have to calculate the ages in months, which I'm too lazy to do.
 
2012-03-31 11:39:33 AM  
GET OFF JAMIE'S LAWN!
 
2012-03-31 11:42:38 AM  
downstairs * * Smartest * * Funniest * [ ] Smartest [ ] Funniest 2012-03-31 10:04:41 AM Good for him. Minus the one-off promotions of Satchel Paige and Minnie Minoso... is he the oldest player to play an official game?
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I was going to say Julio Franco, but Julio turned 49 only a month before the end of his final season. Moyer has been 49 since November and will be damn close to hitting 50 if the rockies make the world series (doubtful, but just sayin').

So, yeah, damn close to oldest fulltimer ever.
 
2012-03-31 11:59:44 AM  

downstairs: birdboy2000: Downstairs

Wiki-ing it, Jack Quinn has him beat. But second all-time is no small feat.

Its close, Quinn was 49 when he played his last game. So we'll have to calculate the ages in months, which I'm too lazy to do.


Quinn was, according to dates given on Wiki, 50 years, 6 days old when he played his last game. Moyer will turn 50 years 6 days old on the Sunday before Thanksgiving. Since that's far into the off-season, he will have to pitch at any time next year to get it.

\even if it weren't so easy, I have a date calculator on my family tree program
 
2012-03-31 12:02:40 PM  

FriarReb98: downstairs: birdboy2000: Downstairs

Wiki-ing it, Jack Quinn has him beat. But second all-time is no small feat.

Its close, Quinn was 49 when he played his last game. So we'll have to calculate the ages in months, which I'm too lazy to do.

Quinn was, according to dates given on Wiki, 50 years, 6 days old when he played his last game. Moyer will turn 50 years 6 days old on the Sunday before Thanksgiving. Since that's far into the off-season, he will have to pitch at any time next year to get it.

\even if it weren't so easy, I have a date calculator on my family tree program


Ahhhh, OK. I was going off baseball-reference.com, which apparently lists the age at the beginning of the season.
 
2012-03-31 12:14:21 PM  
I'm glad he's still pitching.
 
2012-03-31 12:16:24 PM  

jimpoz: I guess you can also say that about any veteran who starts a game for any expansion team early enough in its history. In 1993 Charlie Hough started a game for a team that didn't exist until 27 years after he was drafted.


I watched Hough pitch for the Marlins way back when
 
2012-03-31 12:20:46 PM  

downstairs: Ahhhh, OK. I was going off baseball-reference.com, which apparently lists the age at the beginning of the season.


Actually, they go by their age at the midpoint of the season, which they define as midnight, June 30.

Since Quinn was born July 7, he BARELY missed that.

Also, I just want to point out that Quinn's birthplace is listed as "Austria-Hungary." He was the only Austro-Hungarian to play after the empire dissolved in 1918, though there was a manager named Hugo Bezdek who managed in 1919.

Then again, he was also the only Austro-Hungarian to play in more than 16 games, so there you go.

Finally, oddly enough, his birthplace is neither in Austria or Hungary. It's in Slovakia.

Some day when I have more time I'll have to look for more non-existent countries.
 
2012-03-31 12:21:55 PM  
His pubes look like Santa Claus :(
 
2012-03-31 12:33:37 PM  

FriarReb98: Wiki-ing it, Jack Quinn has him beat. But second all-time is no small feat.


I would've guessed Phil Niekro, but turns out that lazy bum retired when he was only 48.
 
2012-03-31 12:36:01 PM  
I've heard tales of the game where Jamie Moyer struck out Cap Anson to end the game back in 1876. Greatest clutch performance in history.
 
2012-03-31 12:38:43 PM  

mc_madness: His pubes look like Santa Claus :(


Careful. Santa will get jolly on your ass.
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-03-31 12:40:34 PM  
He's a lefty pitcher.

Thirty years ago, he'd have played just as long, but wouldn't have been a starter after the first few years.

*cough*Arthur Rhodes*cough*

I have nothing against Moyer, but I really don't see the longevity as admirable. I have little doubt Tom Glavine could still be pitching if he wanted to. And out-pitching Moyer. Lester Holt chimed in last night that it was something like a victory for Baby Boomers. ((facepalm))

But Glavine won his 300 games and quit. Moyer might get there if he pitches until he's eligible for Social Security.
 
2012-03-31 12:41:53 PM  
Barry Larkin and Roberto Alomar made their debuts, played their entire careers, and were elected to the HOF all while Jamie Moyer was still playing.
 
2012-03-31 12:43:26 PM  
In the time since Moyer debuted, Barry Larkin and Roberto Alomar debuted, played out their careers, retired, and got elected to the Hall of Fame. Larkin debuted about two months after Moyer; Alomar debuted two seasons after Moyer.
 
2012-03-31 12:45:07 PM  
Dammit, erik, you know I found that first.
 
2012-03-31 12:47:04 PM  

Gosling: Dammit, erik, you know I found that first.


kinda looks like you didn't
 
2012-03-31 12:47:17 PM  
Yes, Gosling found that first and told me. All credit should go to him.
 
2012-03-31 01:13:07 PM  
More perspective (because I'm bored today):

Jamie Moyer made his major league debut with the Chicago Cubs in 1986. Among his teammates were:

Ryne Sandberg
Ron Cey
Davey Lopes
Manny Trillo
Terry Francona
Journeyman starting pitcher Dennis Eckersley
Closer Lee Smith

Two other notable rookies made their MLB debuts for the Cubs that season: Greg Maddux and Rafael Palmeiro.
 
2012-03-31 01:56:00 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Some day when I have more time I'll have to look for more non-existent countries.


Ok, here are some fun results.

14 players were born in WEST Germany (as opposed to 27 in Germany). This includes a few active players, as well as Ron Gardenhire.
4 have been born in the Canal Zone (as opposed to 48 in all of Panama). This includes Rod Carew.
3 have been born in Czechoslovakia. None of them pitched after it split up, though Elmer Valo did play during WW2, when Czechoslovakia didn't exist.
1 was born in "British Honduras", as opposed to Belize.
As indicated earlier, there were 4 Austo-Hungarian born players. Only one player is listed as being born in Austria, though.
Possibly the most interesting entry: Danny Graves was born in Saigon during the Vietnam War, meaning his birthplace is "South Vietnam." His father was a serviceman, and they moved to the States when he was 14 months old.

Finally, the strangest entry. The ones I mentioned above were all countries that no longer exist. But Ed Porray wasn't even born in a country. His place of birth is simply "Atlantic Ocean."
 
2012-03-31 02:03:02 PM  
espn.go.com
 
2012-03-31 02:04:15 PM  
"For some reason Jamie didn't never wanna go home."
 
2012-03-31 02:20:33 PM  
Jaime, would you like to say a few words?
"Two hands!"
 
2012-03-31 02:24:51 PM  
If the definition of a team's existence is the first year they played a game, then Jamie Moyer is starting for a team that didn't exist until 9 years after he was drafted. Moyer was drafted in 1984 and the Rockies played their first game in 1993.
 
2012-03-31 02:53:10 PM  

Harv72b: More perspective (because I'm bored today):

Jamie Moyer made his major league debut with the Chicago Cubs in 1986. Among his teammates were:

Ryne Sandberg
Ron Cey
Davey Lopes
Manny Trillo
Terry Francona
Journeyman starting pitcher Dennis Eckersley
Closer Lee Smith

Two other notable rookies made their MLB debuts for the Cubs that season: Greg Maddux and Rafael Palmeiro.


Another one...Moyer debuted the year I was born. I am now wrapping up grad school.
 
2012-03-31 03:12:41 PM  

chimp_ninja: I suspect the latter is right, but it would be a lot of fun if Moyer beats the odds. He's in the right division to try-- only the D-backs and Matt Kemp can hit.


And he gets to play a bunch of games at Dodger Stadium, Petco, and AT&T. Of course, he also plays all his home games at Coors.
 
2012-03-31 03:15:29 PM  

bhcompy: chimp_ninja: I suspect the latter is right, but it would be a lot of fun if Moyer beats the odds. He's in the right division to try-- only the D-backs and Matt Kemp can hit.

And he gets to play a bunch of games at Dodger Stadium, Petco, and AT&T. Of course, he also plays all his home games at Coors.


Coors has actually normalized considerably since using the humidor.
 
2012-03-31 03:38:35 PM  
Dammit, I'm 50. There goes my dream of playing Major League ball. It's a game for young whippersnappers.
 
2012-03-31 03:47:51 PM  

DeWayne Mann: A better Rockies 1993 stat is this: If the Rockies had taken Moyer in the expansion draft, he would've been the oldest starter on the team.

In 1993.


This stat amuses more than it probably should...
 
2012-03-31 03:50:47 PM  
In other pitching news, Yankees put Pineda on the DL and he will miss the start of the season.
Bah. My only solace as a Yankees fan is that Montero is 1 for 7 so far.
 
2012-03-31 04:18:28 PM  
Donald Driver now sulking after being called 'kid'
 
2012-03-31 04:19:23 PM  
good on him, i hope he manages another 5+ years.

gold watch territory.


he's also the kind of joker, as i understand it, who if he felt he could get away with it would probably hobble out onto the mound with a walker during his start at 50.

which would be awesome.
 
2012-03-31 04:19:45 PM  
A little more:

-19 countries have been "born" since Moyer debuted in the major leagues.
-The sitting President of the United States when Moyer was born was John F. Kennedy. Kennedy was killed on Moyer's first birthday.
-The sitting President when Moyer made his major league debut was Ronald Reagan.
-Barack Obama had just celebrated his first birthday when Moyer entered the world.
-Moyer's second major league team (Texas Rangers) were known as the Washington Senators on his date of birth.
-His sixth team (Seattle Mariners) did not exist.
-Moyer was 2 1/2 years old when the first American combat troops set foot in Vietnam.
-Moyer shares his birth date with Kirk Hammett of Metallica.
-The #1 single in the United States on the day Moyer was born was "Big Boys Don't Cry" by The Four Seasons.
-The U.S. quarantine of Cuba (Cuban Missile Crisis) ended 2 days into Moyer's life.
-The Berlin Wall "fell" more than 3 years into Moyer's major league career.
-Moyer was in Spring Training preparing for his 9th major league season when Justin Bieber was born.
-According to SBNation, there are 16 players on the Rockies' 40-man roster who had not yet been born when Moyer made his first major league appearance (Moyer is not listed on the roster, so I guess not up to date).
 
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