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(TampaBay.com (St. Petersburg Tim)   Tampa mayor proposes new rule that protesters are free to congregate outside the Republican National Convention, but only for sixty minutes, because it's going to be summertime and the police will have to wear all that hot riot gear   (tampabay.com) divider line 222
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2012-03-30 08:52:31 AM
The 1st amendment does not have time limits.
 
2012-03-30 08:57:31 AM

Walker: The 1st amendment does not have time limits.


Sure it does, but I wouldn't call the physical comfort and convenience of police officers one of them.
 
2012-03-30 09:07:05 AM
can't they just move their free speech zone somewhere a little cooler, like into the middle of the bay?
 
2012-03-30 09:19:07 AM

Walker: The 1st amendment does not have time limits.


Terrorism. didn't you get the memo? TERRORISM! OMG! TERRORISMS!

we can't let those dirty protesters just stand out there and protest. they could be terrorists! or they might riot! Or terrorist could use them as cover for some terrorist plot! TERRORISM!

So...the 1st amendment is just right out of bounds. TERRORISMS!
 
2012-03-30 09:24:19 AM
Tough shiat.
 
2012-03-30 09:29:02 AM
I hear George Zimmerman is looking for a new patrol. Let's give him this one,
 
2012-03-30 09:47:11 AM
Ah the convention. Can't farking wait. Our scumbag governor turned down the speed rail because he didn't want to accept federal money from our dirty POTUS but the GOP convention is getting a $50 million grant from the federal government for security alone.
 
2012-03-30 09:58:38 AM
I foresee another attempt at an Occupy movement and another 1968 Democratic convention.
 
2012-03-30 09:58:44 AM
FTFA: As proposed, city parks inside the Clean Zone would close at 3 a.m. Knives, axes, Mace, clubs and other items that could be used as weapons would be banned. How these rules would affect downtown businesses, such as cafes with outdoor seating, will be the subject of discussion between the city and merchants, City Attorney Jim Shimberg Jr. said.

Wow. You guys use Mace, clubs, axes and knives in your outdoor cafes? No wonder Florida is so farked up.
 
2012-03-30 09:59:13 AM

Mugato: Ah the convention. Can't farking wait. Our scumbag governor turned down the speed rail because he didn't want to accept federal money from our dirty POTUS but the GOP convention is getting a $50 million grant from the federal government for security alone.


I'm just glad it's not here in Orlando. I live within walking distance of the OC Convention Center.

NBA All Stars was bad enough.
 
2012-03-30 09:59:51 AM

Mugato: the GOP convention is getting a $50 million grant from the federal government for security alone.


Which is stupid, because any terrorist with a brain knows the best way to bring this country down is to keep as many Republicans alive as possible.
 
2012-03-30 10:12:49 AM

Aar1012: I foresee another attempt at an Occupy movement and another 1968 Democratic convention.


only this time the cops will be the ones starting the riots.
 
2012-03-30 10:32:46 AM

Weaver95: only this time the cops will be the ones starting the riots.


That is so 2008.

images.publicradio.org
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-03-30 10:46:16 AM
Who would want to spend more than an hour in Tampa anyway?
 
2012-03-30 10:48:15 AM
TFA: Water guns and super soakers, or for that matter, anything filled with urine, fecal matter or other bodily fluids.

I don't see how they can claim that throwing urine and fecal matter is protected by the First Amendment.
 
2012-03-30 10:53:28 AM

jbc: Who would want to spend more than an hour in Tampa anyway?


weblogs.sun-sentinel.com

It has its good points.
 
2012-03-30 10:53:29 AM

SkinnyHead: I don't see how they can claim that throwing urine and fecal matter is protected by the First Amendment.


No kidding, I usually have to pay extra for THAT kind of action.
 
2012-03-30 11:01:18 AM
So, would it be possible to sue the city and the GOP for blocking free speech? Because that would be hilarious.
 
2012-03-30 11:05:51 AM

GAT_00: So, would it be possible to sue the city and the GOP for blocking free speech? Because that would be hilarious.


i'm pretty sure the locals would do their level best to weasel outta the case...something something permits, safety, terrorism blah blah.

when you think about it, 'permits' are a great way to deny someone their civil rights. it's not 'suppressing speech', it's now a 'safety issue'. Who wants to be unsafe? then you just make it damn near impossible for opposition groups to get a valid permit and that's that.
 
2012-03-30 11:38:23 AM

jbc: Who would want to spend more than an hour in Tampa anyway?


Could be worse. It could be Ybor.
 
2012-03-30 11:38:35 AM

Diogenes: jbc: Who would want to spend more than an hour in Tampa anyway?

[weblogs.sun-sentinel.com image 640x431]

It has its good points.


As much as we disagree, I think we can agree on that!
 
2012-03-30 11:39:20 AM

SkinnyHead:

I don't see how they can claim that throwing urine and fecal matter is protected by the First Amendment.



People pay top dollar to have that done to them in NYC. Besides, I never heard of anybody actually throwing urine and feces, so you go back to your little world, sparky.
 
2012-03-30 11:39:52 AM

Weaver95: when you think about it, 'permits' are a great way to deny someone their civil rights. it's not 'suppressing speech', it's now a 'safety issue'. Who wants to be unsafe? then you just make it damn near impossible for opposition groups to get a valid permit and that's that


Kinda like NYC and handgun permits.
 
2012-03-30 11:41:14 AM

Scerpes: Weaver95: when you think about it, 'permits' are a great way to deny someone their civil rights. it's not 'suppressing speech', it's now a 'safety issue'. Who wants to be unsafe? then you just make it damn near impossible for opposition groups to get a valid permit and that's that

Kinda like NYC and handgun permits.


or the shiat that OWS goes through.
 
2012-03-30 11:41:17 AM
TFA: Water guns and super soakers, or for that matter, anything filled with urine, fecal matter or other bodily fluids.

I like to fill my super soaker with cerebrospinal fluid.
 
2012-03-30 11:41:22 AM

Diogenes: jbc: Who would want to spend more than an hour in Tampa anyway?

[weblogs.sun-sentinel.com image 640x431]

It has its good points.


Ah the Mons. Met an ex there. Don't recommend that.
 
2012-03-30 11:41:50 AM

Weaver95: Aar1012: I foresee another attempt at an Occupy movement and another 1968 Democratic convention.

only this time the cops will be the ones starting the riots.


That would be no different then 1968.
 
2012-03-30 11:42:16 AM

shanrick: TFA: Water guns and super soakers, or for that matter, anything filled with urine, fecal matter or other bodily fluids.

I like to fill my super soaker with cerebrospinal fluid.


I wanna party with you....
 
2012-03-30 11:43:10 AM
Why would the police show up in riot gear? It's almost like they're trying to create a conflict.
 
2012-03-30 11:44:24 AM
Or they could just have a few cops and have them work in shifts. It seems like most of the time protests don't turn into riots until the riot police come in and start clubbing and gassing people to "safely disperse" them.
 
2012-03-30 11:45:36 AM
Protests in the USA are not so useful anymore.
 
2012-03-30 11:45:44 AM

thomps: can't they just move their free speech zone somewhere a little cooler, like into the middle of the bay?


AND THE HOOOOOME OF THE BRAAAAAAAAAAAVE
 
2012-03-30 11:45:46 AM
thinkprogress.org

"fark this uniform is sweltering"
 
2012-03-30 11:46:50 AM
Michael: It's like, a girl says she'll make out with you, but then her boyfriend is waiting around the corner with a pee-filled balloon.

Pam: We can't help you if you don't just tell us what happened.

Michael: I got hit in the face with a pee-filled water balloon, Pam, ok? I don't know how they did it. They filled the balloon with pee. A funnel? I don't know. Is that clear enough for you?
 
2012-03-30 11:46:55 AM
Summertime, and the derpin' is easy,
Pigs are sweatin', and protesters are nigh,
But the party's rich, if not very good-lookin',
So hush little derpers, don't you cry.
 
2012-03-30 11:47:57 AM

Mugato: Diogenes: jbc: Who would want to spend more than an hour in Tampa anyway?

[weblogs.sun-sentinel.com image 640x431]

It has its good points.

Ah the Mons. Met an ex there. Don't recommend that.


Agreed. 2001 A Nude Odyssey is a much better place and it is right on the other side of Dale Mabry Highway.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-03-30 11:48:48 AM

Scerpes: Diogenes: jbc: Who would want to spend more than an hour in Tampa anyway?

[weblogs.sun-sentinel.com image 640x431]

It has its good points.

As much as we disagree, I think we can agree on that!


I was best man for my best friend and we took him there. Even as teh ghey, I had a blast. In fact, I think some of them tried harder with me.
 
2012-03-30 11:50:37 AM
Corporations still have their first amendment rights though, right?
 
2012-03-30 11:50:39 AM
For the record, Bob Buckhorn has a long a illustrious history here of being a giant dick whenever possible and using dickish selective enforcement of laws and statutes to legally being a dick to people. Also, he is a dick.
 
2012-03-30 11:50:46 AM

Walker: The 1st amendment does not have time limits.


Just not when corporations or unions are involved
 
2012-03-30 11:52:33 AM

Sczi: For the record, Bob Buckhorn has a long a illustrious history here of being a giant dick whenever possible and using dickish selective enforcement of laws and statutes to legally being a dick to people. Also, he is a dick.


I miss Iorio. Not so much Dick Greco, who was a Dick in the 70s and a Dick in the 90s
 
2012-03-30 11:53:31 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Why would the police show up in riot gear? It's almost like they're trying to create a conflict.


Riot gear. It's the new hoodie
 
2012-03-30 11:55:31 AM
But Megyn Kelly on FOX News Channel told me pepper spray is a food product, so it's okay.
 
2012-03-30 11:56:33 AM
I'm working with three Americans right now and we talk politics at lunch a lot. I've already offered to sponsor them for citizenship.
 
2012-03-30 11:56:39 AM

GAT_00: So, would it be possible to sue the city and the GOP for blocking free speech? Because that would be hilarious.


Generally speaking, a governmental body can put restrictions on free speech as long as it serves a legitimate government purpose (like public safety), is restricted as to time and place (nobody in the park after dark) and is content neutral (doesn't matter if you're in the park for a weenie roast or a protest, everybody out at sundown). There's other bits in there about narrowly tailoring the restrictions so that they are the least intrusive possible, and whether the restrictions actually serve the purpose the government claims they do, but that's enough for a laymen's understanding of 1st amendment rights.

There's tons of nuance to this sort of thing, especially related to the "least restrictive" and "governmental purpose" parts, and usually the court fight takes so long that the governmental body in question can pass the law, crack skulls, and shut down the protest long before a court gets a chance to tell them to stop. And once the police have been brought in to (cause) a conflict, it's all too easy for "nobody in the park after dark" charges to become "assaulting a police officer" charges, even though the underlying law that supposedly justified the police presence has been overturned. And even if charges are later dropped or never filed in the first place, protesters can still be prevented from exercising their rights by being held for 24 hours or so in terrible conditions.

Emergency injunctions and attack-dog lawyers fighting for the protesters (like SPLC and ACLU, among others) have prevented the worst excesses, but the rights are being slowly whittled away in the name of "security" anyway - just about any content-neutral restriction is now seen as permissible in the interest of security, which is some pretty big bullshiat.
 
2012-03-30 11:56:47 AM

Jake Havechek: But Megyn Kelly on FOX News Channel told me pepper spray is a food product, so it's okay.


Does that mean spray cheese and silly string are self-defense products?
 
2012-03-30 11:57:10 AM
This is clearly because the leadership of Tampa is all racist nazis. We all know the liberal protesters always behave themselves.

What a liberal peacefully exercise his right to free speech looks like:

static.guim.co.uk
 
2012-03-30 11:58:27 AM

beta_plus: This is clearly because the leadership of Tampa is all racist nazis. We all know the liberal protesters always behave themselves.

What a liberal peacefully exercise his right to free speech looks like:

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


Toronto?

You knuckle head.
 
2012-03-30 12:00:29 PM
Anarchists are not liberals. All that black block bullshiat didn't help the majority of people in Toronto who had legitimate concerns about the actions of the G20, but didn't want to set the world on fire to get those concerns addressed. If you were in the city at the time, you'd know the damage was concentrated in a very small area and done by a small group of people.
 
2012-03-30 12:00:41 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: So, would it be possible to sue the city and the GOP for blocking free speech? Because that would be hilarious.

i'm pretty sure the locals would do their level best to weasel outta the case...something something permits, safety, terrorism blah blah.

when you think about it, 'permits' are a great way to deny someone their civil rights. it's not 'suppressing speech', it's now a 'safety issue'. Who wants to be unsafe? then you just make it damn near impossible for opposition groups to get a valid permit and that's that.


Opposition groups? So you know a group of the same size who wanted to do the same thing who was denied a permit.
 
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