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2012-03-30 03:19:22 AM
Simple solution: If you don't like abortion, DON'T HAVE ONE!

Lets get a "Christian" theocracy here in the US - its worked soooo well in Iran.

/sarcasm off
 
2012-03-30 03:19:37 AM

robohobo: It's a good thing I don't like popcorn, cause I'd probably die from all the butter and salt I'd be consuming watching the shiat show we call America rip itself apart over the next few decades.

It's just barely started, and already it's some of the best entertainment on the planet!


Anyone got a fiddle?


I hope so. I'll be dead in 30 years for sure and nothing would delight me more than to watch all these idiots come down with me.
 
2012-03-30 03:21:47 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: buckler: So humans are the size of ants now? That's comforting to know.

According to this site (new window), stacking 7 billion pennies would reach ~7000 miles.

I don't know what bothers me more, her made-up nonsense or the 3rd world racism.


Many years ago, a doctor took me on rounds with him to pass the time. We stopped at a room where a woman (or what used to be a woman) was hooked to a variety of machines and tubing. He said "this woman is completely brain-dead. She will never feel, think, form memories, move, or breathe on her own. Right now, she's nothing more than an extension of the machines keeping her body alive." He demonstrated the "doll's eyes" phenomenon, then squirted ice water in one ear so I could see her eyes moving slowly to that side as a reflex. "Right now, her family is spending a fortune keeping this husk of a human being alive."

"What the hell?" I asked. "I assume you've explained to them that she's no longer there. Why do they do it?"

"Love, man. Love has the capability to override almost any kind of common sense a human has. I just wish they loved themselves enough to let her go, because she left a long time ago."
 
2012-03-30 03:22:01 AM

Confabulat: robohobo: It's a good thing I don't like popcorn, cause I'd probably die from all the butter and salt I'd be consuming watching the shiat show we call America rip itself apart over the next few decades.

It's just barely started, and already it's some of the best entertainment on the planet!


Anyone got a fiddle?

I hope so. I'll be dead in 30 years for sure and nothing would delight me more than to watch all these idiots come down with me.



I'm talking about everyone. All sides.
 
2012-03-30 03:24:25 AM

robohobo: Confabulat: robohobo: It's a good thing I don't like popcorn, cause I'd probably die from all the butter and salt I'd be consuming watching the shiat show we call America rip itself apart over the next few decades.

It's just barely started, and already it's some of the best entertainment on the planet!


Anyone got a fiddle?

I hope so. I'll be dead in 30 years for sure and nothing would delight me more than to watch all these idiots come down with me.


I'm talking about everyone. All sides.


Hey me too. Leave no man standing.
 
2012-03-30 03:29:39 AM
Did you ever see anti-abortion fanatic shed a tear over the children who were 'collateral damage' during the Iraq war? Nah, me either. It's nothing more than control-happy clowns wanting absolute power.

Hats off to Mr. Stave.
 
2012-03-30 03:34:17 AM

Confabulat: robohobo: Confabulat: robohobo: It's a good thing I don't like popcorn, cause I'd probably die from all the butter and salt I'd be consuming watching the shiat show we call America rip itself apart over the next few decades.

It's just barely started, and already it's some of the best entertainment on the planet!


Anyone got a fiddle?

I hope so. I'll be dead in 30 years for sure and nothing would delight me more than to watch all these idiots come down with me.


I'm talking about everyone. All sides.

Hey me too. Leave no man standing.


...and here it began.

/...can I join, too?
 
2012-03-30 03:44:11 AM

ElizaDoolittle: I don't know where to stand on this. I do get a kick out of the strategy of lodging lots of polite phone calls to folks who have been publishing a doctor's home address, harassing his kids and in-laws and landlord, and mentioning their home address, repeatedly (and politely). It might make a few calls for them to realize that what they are doing is obnoxious.

I just don't think it will be effective, because the really militant anti-abortionists won't care.

Also, I'm not down with the idea of abortions after 20 weeks, which is what the featured doctor apparently specializes in. At that stage, the fetus is kicking and the mother is very obviously pregnant.

I'm totally supportive of a woman's right to choose. It wouldn't be up for debate if men got pregnant. Day-after pill, abortion at three/six weeks, I have no problem with. I know it's impossible to decide what the limits are, but I think 20 weeks is too late unless the pregnancy itself is seriously threatening the mother's health.

Well, an earlier thread asked for unpopular opinions. Here's mine.


That's fine, and as long as you don't go around calling abortion doctors at their homes, threatening their children at school, taking gory abortion photos to the DENTIST's office for gods' sake...I will gladly support your opinion even if I don't agree with it.

It's not the opinions that are the problem, its the douchebags who seem to think it's THEIR OWN BODIES that are being violated and that an actual war is being waged, no holds barred, who are causing all the problems.
 
2012-03-30 03:45:05 AM

Kurmudgeon: DamnYankees: I understand people are squeamish about this, but the reality is that it is legal

The Holocaust was legal in the country it was performed in.


Actually, no. There were laws and precedents regarding due process in Germany at the time that got conveniently ignored by the government because they were the offender and by the judiciary because they were extremely suspicious of radicalism in general and the Weimar Republic specifically, and exercised pretty blatant favoritism toward nationalist causes.

At least, that's my understanding from my knowledge of history. Admittedly it's a pretty specific claim you're making so I guess maybe I'm missing something, but double-checking with wiki and google seems to confirm my impression.

//re: the article. Good. The kind of people that engage in the kinds of threats described are blinded by idiot zealotry and probably don't even realize that their behavior is inappropriate, much less that they're sub-human scum who can at best aspire to be less of a waste of air by breathing shallowly. If their attention is brought to their pre-simian intellectual status forcefully enough, maybe they'll wake up and make an effort to ascend to the morality of a bonobo or so.
 
2012-03-30 03:49:17 AM
I'm a clinic escort (in Texas dear god), meaning I guide and defend patients of our clinic from protesters, regardless of what service they are there for. There are protesters there M-Sat, every single day the clinic is open. Some are quiet and merely pray, but the "regulars" are nasty, vile people that would never dream of speaking to someone like they do to us or the patients in any other public setting. I've been called a murderer, a whore, and an accomplice, even though I've never had an abortion or performed one.

For those who ask why don't women have them earlier, there are so many reasons. Access to healthcare, where they may not know how far along they are. Cost of the procedure; the difference between first and second trimester abortions is literally a thousand dollars or more. Waiting periods and time off from work or other commitments such as childcare for the children they already have. Utah just passed a 72 hour waiting period, meaning you have to take time off for the initial appointment, then 3 days later you may come back for the procedure. Some women will cross the magic 20 week or what-have-you threshold during that time. It's a sad situation that protesters and legislators seem determined to make more difficult and painful. Fark them. Good for the landlord turning the tables.
 
2012-03-30 03:51:16 AM
wedding vegetables 2012-03-30 03:00:56 AM

Kittypie070: ParagonComplex 2012-03-30 01:36:55 AM

Late-term abortions are still disgusting, evil, and dangerous to a mother's health. Then again, if they die it'd be cleansing the gene pool a little since those monsters don't deserve kids. Why the hell couldn't they have aborted from the get-go?

BACK THE RATF*CK OFF. NOW.


I commend your efforts, but some people have absolutely no empathy.

I know a woman who had to have an ectopic pregnancy terminated. her in-laws were against it. they thought she should have to die because their religion has this insane and warped idea that a pregnancy with a self-destruct timer has more value than a woman who is already alive, who has loved ones and friends and contributes to society. they thought her a bad person for being unwilling to sacrifice her life for that - for a pregnancy that would have been very much wanted, if it wasn't lethal.

I mean, there's absolutely no getting through to people like that. they live in a logic-impermeable shell.

people like that didn't reason their way into their positions, and no matter how hard you try, they can't really be reasoned out of them with appeals to logic or basic human decency.


Well, thanks.

When can I start saying "Come, let us reason together, I'm gonna use DOUBLE TAP, and y'all can just wave your sh*tty little signs and yell feeble insults, and we'll see who wins faster," since they quite obviously don't give a tin sh*t about any human life whatsoever AFTER it's born?

against all enemies both foreign and domestic
 
2012-03-30 04:00:28 AM
I am very Pro-Life and I think these protesters are wrong. Messing with the children is too much.

While I understand why they protest (if you thought mass murder was taking place you would likely protest as well), there is a line - and these folks crossed it.
 
2012-03-30 04:00:29 AM
I am half-inclined to find some anti-abortion protesters online and start figuring out their home info right now. It's 4 AM, seems like a good time for it.
 
2012-03-30 04:01:46 AM

Overfiend: While I understand why they protest (if you thought mass murder was taking place you would likely protest as well)


Oh please. Even PETA doesn't spend their days waving signs outside slaughterhouses.
 
2012-03-30 04:03:53 AM

Gothnet: Britney Spear's Speculum: Meanwhile, Michelle Duggar says: "The idea of overpopulation is not accurate because, really, the entire population of the world, if they were stood shoulder to shoulder, could fit in the city limits of Jacksonville,"

That's because she's a crazy person.


She is surely crazy, but also of rather limited intelligence. This is what happens when you believe in teh sky fairies.
 
2012-03-30 04:07:46 AM
"Pro-life" people (haha, whatever that means, they surely don't mean it once the kid is born) strike me as very angry, meddlesome people who very firmly believe their religious views on life should be spread to all people, even if they don't subscribe to them.

They are just cultish Taliban figures, dressed in Western clothing.

I assume most of them are very damaged individuals psychologically, and their need to blanket everyone in their belief system is a result of personal difficulties and insecurities, and probably they were beaten as children.
 
2012-03-30 04:17:38 AM
He did it all for the lulz? Because, well, lulz are better than this thread ended up...
 
2012-03-30 04:20:01 AM

davidphogan: He did it all for the lulz? Because, well, lulz are better than this thread ended up...


Dude, this thread IS the lulz.
 
2012-03-30 04:27:50 AM

ElizaDoolittle: DamnYankees: ElizaDoolittle: Also, I'm not down with the idea of abortions after 20 weeks, which is what the featured doctor apparently specializes in. At that stage, the fetus is kicking and the mother is very obviously pregnant.

I understand people are squeamish about this, but the reality is that it is legal, and these people are using intimindation in order to make it basically impossible for women to get access to a legal procedure. And the doctors who do it put their life, quite literally, at risk in order to provide this service to desperate people.

If someone thinks this is wrong, try to make it illegal. You don't harass and intimidate the individuals involved who have no power over the legality of it.

Why didn't the 20+-week-pregnant woman get an abortion 119 days ago? She'd have missed her period and probably suspected she was pregnant and was sure a week later. They sell pregnancy tests at every supermarket.

Please re-read my post. I am in favor of women having access to early abortion without judgement or intimidation.

I don't know anybody who would vote to allow abortion when the mother is 9 months and six days pregnant. I don't think you would. Would you?


Beyond 20 weeks, the reasons for abortion are not as clearcut as "why didn't she take care of this sooner." There are clear examples where women who want the child are forced to abort for health reasons.

I suspect there are minor girls who hid the pregnancy, and their guardians found out very late.

I'm sure that there are horrible sluts who are getting abortions beyond 20 weeks, but for each slut, there is a woman for whom abortion is a medical procedure to save her life, or a young girl who got knocked up and was too immature to deal with it in a timely fashion.
 
2012-03-30 04:29:30 AM

Kurmudgeon: DamnYankees: I understand people are squeamish about this, but the reality is that it is legal

The Holocaust was legal in the country it was performed in.


All of the extermination camps were in Poland. I would suspect that genocide was not legal there.
 
2012-03-30 04:40:23 AM

Confabulat: Overfiend: While I understand why they protest (if you thought mass murder was taking place you would likely protest as well)

Oh please. Even PETA doesn't spend their days waving signs outside slaughterhouses.


Again, unless you view them as babies and not fetuses (fetusi?) you wouldn't understand.
 
2012-03-30 04:40:25 AM

Kurmudgeon: DamnYankees: I understand people are squeamish about this, but the reality is that it is legal

The Holocaust was legal in the country it was performed in.


No. Legalilty, in the sense we're talking about here, didn't exist in the Tird Reich.

Germany was no longer a democracy, its citizens had been stripped of basic rights and civil liberties, and The Rule of Law had long been abandonded by the Nazis before they began their genocides. Much of the extermination took place in occupied countries, who's legal governments were forced into compliance or out of power.
Equating this "legality" in a violently oppressive, totalitarian dictatorship, to what happens in modern liberal democracies under the Rule of Law is ridiculous.
 
2012-03-30 04:46:11 AM

Ishidan: 2wolves: ElizaDoolittle: Also, I'm not down with the idea of abortions after 20 weeks,

He does abortions over 20 weeks for the fetus going to kill the mother, extreme birth defects, very horrible genetic disorders.

...Ooh. Counterprotest idea.

Needed:
--Photos of women who died in childbirth because they were forced to carry a fetus that they couldn't safely bring to term.
--Photos of newborns with horrific birth defects and disorders that this doctor would abort.
(apparently some of you have no problems finding those already)
Caption appropriately.


I've been thinking of this for a long time. Post a picture of a harlequin baby with no skin (google it) put it up on a giant billboard. 'My baby's suffering could have been far less if I had aborted. But instead he lived X amount of days in constant agony. I was never able to touch him or hold him, the only sensation he was ever aware of in his brief life was pain. No one would do this to a dog, but some people wanted to do this to my baby'.

In fact, I think there should be some new legislation introduced, before legislators can draft bills about abortions, they should have to watch videos of horribly deformed babies suffering and dying, as well as mothers dying in childbirth. Then they should have to talk to the parents of the deformed, now dead babies about what it was like to watch their child suffer horribly through the short duration of their life, and also to the spouses, parents and surviving children of women who have died in childbirth.

While some of these men probably don't give and will never give a shiat about women, and think of them basically as human shaped cattle for them to fark, I think others have simply forgotten how horrible and dangerous childbirth was before modern medical care. It used to be the leading cause of death for women. Kind of like how the anti-vaccination crowd seems to totally ignore what the reality of something like polio was before vaccinations. People don't seem to understand that they can't just get rid of all this healthcare stuff without things reverting to all the old negatives.

Add to that, the other things that really makes abortion more humane than ever is the fact that we use our advanced technology to prolong the life of babies who would have lived hours or days into months and years. That to me, is just messed up and deeply disturbed. While I don't agree with it, even if your position is that the baby must be pushed out to die outside the mother, at least let it die naturally and don't force it to be hooked it into all these machines to stretch the suffering out as long as possible. What kind of sick god demands that as tribute? The babies will never have any comprehension of what's happening to them, or be able to form advanced enough thoughts to have self awareness, their experience in life will just be as little pain receptors. That will be everything they are, just a vessel to know the existence of pain. People who think this is a good idea to do to other human beings are the truly sick farks.
 
2012-03-30 04:50:00 AM

Overfiend: Again, unless you view them as babies and not fetuses (fetusi?) you wouldn't understand.


It's not my job as an American citizen to understand the thinking of religious lunatics. It's a free country and abortion is legal. It's not important to consider the nonsensical ravings of every cultist when considering current events, you know.
 
2012-03-30 05:04:41 AM

ElizaDoolittle: DamnYankees: ElizaDoolittle: Also, I'm not down with the idea of abortions after 20 weeks, which is what the featured doctor apparently specializes in. At that stage, the fetus is kicking and the mother is very obviously pregnant.

I understand people are squeamish about this, but the reality is that it is legal, and these people are using intimindation in order to make it basically impossible for women to get access to a legal procedure. And the doctors who do it put their life, quite literally, at risk in order to provide this service to desperate people.

If someone thinks this is wrong, try to make it illegal. You don't harass and intimidate the individuals involved who have no power over the legality of it.

Why didn't the 20+-week-pregnant woman get an abortion 119 days ago? She'd have missed her period and probably suspected she was pregnant and was sure a week later. They sell pregnancy tests at every supermarket.

Please re-read my post. I am in favor of women having access to early abortion without judgement or intimidation.

I don't know anybody who would vote to allow abortion when the mother is 9 months and six days pregnant. I don't think you would. Would you?


When I was pregnant, I had a standard triple marker screening at 18 weeks that came back wonky. Over the next two weeks I had more tests, and had to travel to another city for further testing, and spent three days in a teaching hospital. I saw geneticists, counsellors, half a dozen specialists including a neonatal cardiologist, and more ultrasound techs than I could count. All my test results were coming back so odd that they kept bringing groups of med students in to see me. I was told that they wouldn't be sure exactly what was wrong until the amniocentesis (which was accompanied by an amnio-infusion, those are great fun) results came back, but gave me a list of about a dozen possibilities, roughly half of which were "incompatible with life". I was told that once the results came back we'd need to make the decision whether to continue or terminate pretty much immediately, so in the meantime we needed to decide what we'd do in the case of each of the possible diagnoses.

In short, it was a f*cking nightmare. It certainly wasn't a scenario that I wanted to be in or that we took lightly. Assuming that everyone that decides to terminate at 20+ weeks was just too stupid to realize earlier that they were pregnant is just asinine, and tacitly condoning those who would harass, intimidate, and belittle women without knowing their situation, just because a page turned on the calendar, is like pouring salt in a wound.
 
2012-03-30 05:07:23 AM
Ah, yes. The religion of peace strikes again.
 
2012-03-30 05:14:34 AM

doglover: If it weren't for all the death threats, I still wanna market the "Oops! brand Baby Catapult*"

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Would Baby's 1st Trebuchet work as a sideline?
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2012-03-30 05:15:56 AM

ElizaDoolittle: DamnYankees: ElizaDoolittle:
Why didn't the 20+-week-pregnant woman get an abortion 119 days ago? She'd have missed her period and probably suspected she was pregnant and was sure a week later. They sell pregnancy tests at every supermarket.


That's my bad, I should have let her out of the rape dungeon sooner.
 
2012-03-30 05:16:02 AM

James F. Campbell: Man... there really are some crazy farking people in this world.


I used to live in an apartment complex next to a women's heathcare clinic and the protestors that they used to get would spill over into the apartment complex's quads and scare the living daylights out out of everybody living there. Those protestors were one hour short of acting like 28 Days Later infected.

It wasn't until the clinic closed down that the owners of the apartment complex could rent all the apartments.
 
2012-03-30 05:19:42 AM

Overfiend: Confabulat: Overfiend: While I understand why they protest (if you thought mass murder was taking place you would likely protest as well)

Oh please. Even PETA doesn't spend their days waving signs outside slaughterhouses.

Again, unless you view them as babies and not fetuses (fetusi?) you wouldn't understand.



Quite simply, if you view them as babies and not fetuses, then you don't understand.
 
2012-03-30 05:27:16 AM
If God knows everything, He knows what fetuses are getting aborted and would be a dick if he puts souls in them.
 
2012-03-30 05:44:11 AM

12349876: If God knows everything, He knows what fetuses are getting aborted and would be a dick if he puts souls in them.


At what point at anything has God not been a dick? He's the worst villain in the universe. People worship him out of fear they will burn in fire forever.
 
2012-03-30 06:12:35 AM

DrBenway: Overfiend: Confabulat: Overfiend: While I understand why they protest (if you thought mass murder was taking place you would likely protest as well)

Oh please. Even PETA doesn't spend their days waving signs outside slaughterhouses.

Again, unless you view them as babies and not fetuses (fetusi?) you wouldn't understand.


Quite simply, if you view them as babies and not fetuses, then you don't understand.


Wow. You're right. I can't believe I got it wrong.

Thanks for enlightening me!!
 
2012-03-30 06:15:54 AM

Overfiend: DrBenway: Overfiend: Confabulat: Overfiend: While I understand why they protest (if you thought mass murder was taking place you would likely protest as well)

Oh please. Even PETA doesn't spend their days waving signs outside slaughterhouses.

Again, unless you view them as babies and not fetuses (fetusi?) you wouldn't understand.


Quite simply, if you view them as babies and not fetuses, then you don't understand.

Wow. You're right. I can't believe I got it wrong.

Thanks for enlightening me!!


They're fetuses, not babies. And besides, NOT YOUR BUSINESS
 
2012-03-30 06:18:50 AM

DrBenway: Overfiend: Confabulat: Overfiend: While I understand why they protest (if you thought mass murder was taking place you would likely protest as well)

Oh please. Even PETA doesn't spend their days waving signs outside slaughterhouses.

Again, unless you view them as babies and not fetuses (fetusi?) you wouldn't understand.


Quite simply, if you view them as babies and not fetuses, then you don't understand.


Yeah, but what they don't understand is math, logic, and remedial biology. This particular variant of idiot tends to be proud of failing forever at all of those things.
 
2012-03-30 06:19:12 AM
What is up with anti-abortion lunatics anyway? YES THIS IS MY BUSINESS I THINK THIS IS MURDER I DON'T CARE IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS OR SOULS YOU ARE WRONG AND JESUS WILL MAKE YOU DIE IN FIRE AND I WILL SAVE YOUR BABY

Hey, fark off, looney toon.
 
2012-03-30 06:27:06 AM
In last year's report "Failing its Families," Human Rights Watch wrote that at least 178 countries have national laws guaranteeing paid maternity leave. The exceptions include Swaziland, Papua New Guinea and the good ole United States of America.

The article itself is great, I love to see this kind of counter protest, but the WP being a true left of center paper, can't end an article without pushing agendas which in itself have nothing to do with the story.
 
2012-03-30 06:33:04 AM

Confabulat: 12349876: If God knows everything, He knows what fetuses are getting aborted and would be a dick if he puts souls in them.

At what point at anything has God not been a dick? He's the worst villain in the universe. People worship him out of fear they will burn in fire forever.


Not why I worship Him. I worship Him because of love!
 
2012-03-30 06:39:15 AM
Just once I'd like to see a crazy pro choice person firebomb these people. Time to fight fire with fire literally
 
2012-03-30 06:41:53 AM

Overfiend: Confabulat: 12349876: If God knows everything, He knows what fetuses are getting aborted and would be a dick if he puts souls in them.

At what point at anything has God not been a dick? He's the worst villain in the universe. People worship him out of fear they will burn in fire forever.

Not why I worship Him. I worship Him because of love!


Ha, now that's funny stuff right there.
 
2012-03-30 06:46:36 AM

ElizaDoolittle: I don't know where to stand on this. I do get a kick out of the strategy of lodging lots of polite phone calls to folks who have been publishing a doctor's home address, harassing his kids and in-laws and landlord, and mentioning their home address, repeatedly (and politely). It might make a few calls for them to realize that what they are doing is obnoxious.

I just don't think it will be effective, because the really militant anti-abortionists won't care.

Also, I'm not down with the idea of abortions after 20 weeks, which is what the featured doctor apparently specializes in. At that stage, the fetus is kicking and the mother is very obviously pregnant.

I'm totally supportive of a woman's right to choose. It wouldn't be up for debate if men got pregnant. Day-after pill, abortion at three/six weeks, I have no problem with. I know it's impossible to decide what the limits are, but I think 20 weeks is too late unless the pregnancy itself is seriously threatening the mother's health.


What you don't understand is that these are not routine elective abortions. They won't take women who just don't feel like being pregnant. They tell those women "tough luck." There has to be something seriously wrong with the baby that would end up in the kid dying anyway. For example, some babies are formed without a brain and they are doomed, or ones that have severe chromosomal abnormalities that will die anyway. Better to end the pregnancy early than force the Mom to go through the entire thing and watch the baby die 20 weeks later, suffering more. Informing yourself and others is a big part of combating these fundie loons.
 
2012-03-30 06:50:41 AM

Jim_Callahan: DrBenway: Overfiend: Confabulat: Overfiend: While I understand why they protest (if you thought mass murder was taking place you would likely protest as well)

Oh please. Even PETA doesn't spend their days waving signs outside slaughterhouses.

Again, unless you view them as babies and not fetuses (fetusi?) you wouldn't understand.


Quite simply, if you view them as babies and not fetuses, then you don't understand.

Yeah, but what they don't understand is math, logic, and remedial biology. This particular variant of idiot tends to be proud of failing forever at all of those things.


Learning, it appears, is entirely too much bother when one can just expect to be enlightened.

And then there's this persisting conceit that there is a deity of the entire universe, one with a personality conspicuously like our own, who requires, needs, or even appreciates, worshiping. I suppose it could be argued that it's a conceit on my part to think we should be beyond that at this point, but still...
 
2012-03-30 06:55:32 AM
Britney Spear's Speculum:
Meanwhile, Michelle Duggar says: "The idea of overpopulation is not accurate because, really, the entire population of the world, if they were stood shoulder to shoulder, could fit in the city limits of Jacksonville,"

The staggering intellect of an organism whose sole occupation in life is getting repeatedly pregnant. Did she even graduate from high school?
 
2012-03-30 07:12:10 AM
The doctor is a dick and an animal for performing abortions after 20 weeks (fetus is viable after 21-22), but good on this guy for turning the tables on these arseholes.
 
2012-03-30 07:31:36 AM

ParagonComplex: Late-term abortion is disgusting and evil. You still don't go after the landlord. Doesn't matter what his father did. Doesn't matter what he believes in. Doesn't matter if his family is involved in running it. He isn't doing the abortions, or am I reading the article wrong? Late-term abortions are still disgusting, evil, and dangerous to a mother's health. Then again, if they die it'd be cleansing the gene pool a little since those monsters don't deserve kids. Why the hell couldn't they have aborted from the get-go? Or after 3 weeks? 6 weeks? Abortion is still a woman's choice, and unfortunately, some women are shamefully ignorant. Doesn't mean the right should be taken away. Oh, and good on them for the anti-protest.


Late term abortions are extensively legislated to only be legal if the woman's life is in danger, baby has a horrible condition or will die, etc. Those things aren't generally known early in the pregnancy. Late term abortions are ALWAYS a "special case," not something casual.

Furthermore, if is a ridiculous male belief that women know that they are pregnant immediately. Periods are not like clockwork, pregnancy aside. Many women continue to have them for months after becoming pregnant, and some women only get them a few times a year unless they're on hormonal birth control.
 
2012-03-30 07:37:37 AM

Savage Belief: The doctor is a dick and an animal for performing abortions after 20 weeks (fetus is viable after 21-22), but good on this guy for turning the tables on these arseholes.


Yeah the doctor is an ANIMAL to be one of the only people in the country to save women's lives when they're in that condition, or end or prevent the suffering of a severely ill/malformed fetus that is not going to be viable even AFTER birth. Because those are the only reasons abortions are allowed to be performed at that late a date. What a dick hero!
 
2012-03-30 07:38:09 AM

Confabulat: You know, if people learned to mind their own damn business in this world, the news would be a lot quieter.


Does this apply to everyone? I think these guys are assholes too. I also think Occupy, Greenpeace, environmentalists, etc are all morons. Yes, I wish people would mind their own business.
 
2012-03-30 07:48:05 AM
Now I'm British, and I don't really understand about American politics, let me see if I've got this right:

Republicans support abortion for the same reason they support killing of cute fluffy animals: because they are uncaring haters who like nothing more than to see small, weak, defeseless forms of life be killed just for the convenience of one selfish human being.
 
2012-03-30 07:48:14 AM

gimmegimme: ElizaDoolittle:SNIP. You're never going to have an effect on the hardcore people, ...


I'm not so sure about that.
These protestors operate from the perspective that they are doing what they do to protect children. They claim to have the interests of children at heart. They use the publication of personal info about the targets of their protests as an implied threat to said targets. The protesters clearly see this a threatening behavior. As in "We know who you are and who your kids are and where they go to school" with the implied "and you can't protect them from us". (I know that threatening harm on kids in order to protect other kids is insane but it does seem to be the reality they have created for themselves)

Since the protesters see these actions as threats they may also recognise them as threats when the tactics are directed back at them. If the protesters DO see the phone calls they receive as threats and they are actually concerned about their own children's health and well being then fear for their own children's safety may have an affect on their behavior.

OTOH I don't think that calling them out on their shiat will have any affect on them the same way being afraid for their children might.

BUT I could be wrong. Crazy is Crazy after all.
 
2012-03-30 07:56:14 AM

snuff3r: Pro-life people are horrid, horrid people who aren't thinking about the baby at all, they're thinking about themselves.


Kurmudgeon: People who are for life are horrid. Interesting concept.



Yeah, see, you kind of missed the point that we're not really buying into the whole "pro-life is all about saving lives" thing anymore.

It's kinda like snuff3r said "People who call themselves 'Pro-X' are bad because they don't REALLY care about X" and you replied with "People who care about X are bad? That doesn't make sense!"

You're free to disagree with snuff3r, but first you must GRASP her point.
 
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