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(Discover)   Researchers estimate thirty-four million Americans are experiencing irritable vowel syndrome   (blogs.discovermagazine.com) divider line 77
    More: Interesting, Psychology Today, dialects, Alex Castellanos, Polarization, lead author, University of Calgary, Middle English, Yiddish  
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2012-03-29 04:11:07 PM  
Still waiting for English speakers to bring back dead English words and remove the borrowed pretentious words that make one sound like an ass.
 
2012-03-29 04:27:09 PM  
If you include The St. Louis area and Texas South, shouldn'y you also include Bayou country? That's only remotely close to a southern accent, and its a farily large area.
 
2012-03-29 04:49:12 PM  
You should have to talk to the ESLers I talk to every day

/major vowel control problem
 
2012-03-29 05:08:07 PM  

cman: Still waiting for English speakers to bring back dead English words and remove the borrowed pretentious words that make one sound like an ass.


You mean the borrowed words like "pretentious"?
 
2012-03-29 05:16:07 PM  
Very nice, subby, I completely misread the headline and was sure this was going to be a poop thread.

On the actual topic, I find that my vowels, well my accent entirely, dips severely back into my southern roots for an hour or so whenever I watch something like No Country For Old Men or Justified.
 
2012-03-29 06:02:21 PM  

Rincewind53: cman: Still waiting for English speakers to bring back dead English words and remove the borrowed pretentious words that make one sound like an ass.

You mean the borrowed words like "pretentious"?


Yes I was being ironic
 
2012-03-29 06:06:22 PM  
My boot is killing me.
 
2012-03-29 06:32:45 PM  
For those of you that actually geek out about this kind of stuff, the Atlas of North American Dialects (new window) website awesome.

Be sure to scroll down to the Audio Samples part, where you can find examples on Youtube of people speaking from every state, labeled with the type of accent, etc.
 
2012-03-29 06:32:48 PM  
All of Canada sounds the same from Ontario west? I can spot someone from Ontario as soon as they open their mouths.
 
2012-03-29 07:18:55 PM  
My experience is white trash sounds pretty much the same regardless of where you are in the country (some parts of New England excepted). That was one of things I noticed as a kid, you could always tell the rednecks/white trash by a pseudo "southern" accent, even in Washington. I'm guessing it has to do with the popularity of country music in rural areas.
 
2012-03-29 07:34:30 PM  
In Minnesota, the people there pronounce bag as "beg."
 
2012-03-29 07:48:14 PM  

swaniefrmreddeer: All of Canada sounds the same from Ontario west? I can spot someone from Ontario as soon as they open their mouths.


And there are different accents in different parts of Ontario too, for instance the Ottawa Valley.
 
2012-03-29 07:48:57 PM  
Meh.
I've got Cronin's disease.
I shiat myself every time an REO Spedwagon ballad plays on the radio.
 
2012-03-29 07:49:50 PM  

DeltaPunch: Atlas of North American Dialects


That actually is pretty damn cool. A little cramped and needs a better website design, but a fun resource.
 
2012-03-29 08:05:03 PM  
So is this the Super Fans accent? Or the Fargo accent?

/ Chicagoan
// Don't know anybody who talks like that
/// Gotta turn on AM radio call-in shows to hear that
 
2012-03-29 08:14:07 PM  

jaytkay: So is this the Super Fans accent? Or the Fargo accent?

/ Chicagoan
// Don't know anybody who talks like that
/// Gotta turn on AM radio call-in shows to hear that


I made my first trip through the Midwest this year, and I instantly knew the accent described in the article. More than likely it's the accent you speak with if you're a native Chicagoan who doesn't speak like a Super Fan.
 
2012-03-29 08:15:11 PM  
Being Scottish, but living in the US, not a day goes by when someone finds it cute that I can actually use all the vowels properly. Here's a tip: Ask a Nebraskan to say "Merry, Mary, Marry." They'll all sound the same.
 
2012-03-29 08:28:26 PM  

hubiestubert: DeltaPunch: Atlas of North American Dialects

That actually is pretty damn cool. A little cramped and needs a better website design, but a fun resource.


Agreed! I could stare at that huge map for hours...
 
2012-03-29 08:30:29 PM  
Talked to a twenty- something girl lately? Every vowel sounds the same. It's grating.
 
2012-03-29 08:32:51 PM  

r1niceboy: Being Scottish, but living in the US, not a day goes by when someone finds it cute that I can actually use all the vowels properly. Here's a tip: Ask a Nebraskan to say "Merry, Mary, Marry." They'll all sound the same.


That was cute, too.
 
2012-03-29 08:36:02 PM  

SomethingToDo: r1niceboy: Being Scottish, but living in the US, not a day goes by when someone finds it cute that I can actually use all the vowels properly. Here's a tip: Ask a Nebraskan to say "Merry, Mary, Marry." They'll all sound the same.

That was cute, too.


I look like a melted Mr. Potato Head, otherwise I'd be waist deep in young women wanting to take me home and feed me pie.
 
2012-03-29 08:54:24 PM  
There's a reason everyone in the national media talks with a Midwestern accent. Everyone else just sounds like some douche from New Jersey or a redneck.

/Chicago area
//went to school downstate and have no idea what TFA is talking about when it comes to "Midland" accent
 
2012-03-29 08:54:55 PM  

DeltaPunch: For those of you that actually geek out about this kind of stuff, the Atlas of North American Dialects (new window) website awesome.

Be sure to scroll down to the Audio Samples part, where you can find examples on Youtube of people speaking from every state, labeled with the type of accent, etc.


Very cool website, but the colors on that map make baby Chomsky cry.
 
2012-03-29 09:04:36 PM  
Anything in there about vocal fry? Ugh.
 
2012-03-29 09:10:44 PM  

DeltaPunch: For those of you that actually geek out about this kind of stuff, the Atlas of North American Dialects (new window) website awesome.


The truest thing I've found on that site so far is that some people are just Simple R-Droppers.

/I loled
 
2012-03-29 09:18:20 PM  
But one of the puzzles about this vowel shift is why it has spread through an area of 88 thousand square miles only to stop cold south of Cleveland and west of Milwaukee. And this is where things get political.

Urge...to...violently edit...rising...
 
2012-03-29 09:19:04 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: In Minnesota, the people there pronounce bag as "beg."


oi44.tinypic.com

Oh yah?
 
2012-03-29 09:24:57 PM  
I've lived in Pittsburgh for a few years, and some of the Yinzer has creeped into my speech. My vowels have grown more nasal.
 
2012-03-29 09:29:51 PM  
All I know is I'm goddamn tired of living in the midwest, speaking perfectly enunciated Midlands-English, and having the yokels stare at me like I'm spouting arabic because I'm not mangling the words into their yankish brogue. English motherfarkers, do you speak it?
 
2012-03-29 09:48:10 PM  

cman: Still waiting for English speakers to bring back dead English words and remove the borrowed pretentious words that make one sound like an ass.


So revert to pre-Normandic English?
 
2012-03-29 09:53:14 PM  
This seems like a good place to leave this: People on the radio and tv, please stop saying "fuhward".
 
2012-03-29 10:04:23 PM  

DeltaPunch: For those of you that actually geek out about this kind of stuff, the Atlas of North American Dialects (new window) website awesome.

Be sure to scroll down to the Audio Samples part, where you can find examples on Youtube of people speaking from every state, labeled with the type of accent, etc.


Nice. Thanks.
 
2012-03-29 10:15:00 PM  
Irritable Vowel Syndrome? Thursday Next, is that you?
 
2012-03-29 10:32:10 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: In Minnesota, the people there pronounce bag as "beg."


I'd say there's more of a "bayg" sound, with the long A being elongated as well. I don't know how to describe it now that I think about it harder. There's definitely a long A, but it's like it's mixed with an E. A mix between "bayg" and "beg." Farked up is what it is.
 
2012-03-29 10:32:18 PM  
Really, some of these things are what I associate the Boston accent with. Things like "beg" for bag.

I'm from the South, living in NY, and I dont' torture my vowels like either.
 
2012-03-29 10:43:17 PM  
And what's this "ken" instead of "can" crap?
 
2012-03-29 10:47:38 PM  

r1niceboy: Being Scottish, but living in the US, not a day goes by when someone finds it cute that I can actually use all the vowels properly. Here's a tip: Ask a Nebraskan to say "Merry, Mary, Marry." They'll all sound the same.


Yeah, most people in the U.S. don't have that three-way distinction. Chicagoans do, not sure who else.

/Californian, no difference for me
//also no difference for brought/brat (as in bratwurst), caught/cot, etc.
 
2012-03-29 10:53:49 PM  
What grates my eardrums is the short "i" substituted for short "e"

"Sinate" instead of "Senate"
"Wint" instead of "went"

Is that part of the Northern Cities Vowel Shift?
 
2012-03-29 10:57:38 PM  

downstairs: If you include The St. Louis area and Texas South, shouldn'y you also include Bayou country? That's only remotely close to a southern accent, and its a farily large area.


Agreed, I thought there should be a special circle around New Orleans.
 
2012-03-29 10:58:07 PM  
I've lived in southeast Ky my entire life but goddamn there are some people here who I can't at all understand. It sounds like fast,mumbled gibberish with a southern accent.
 
2012-03-29 11:04:11 PM  

r1niceboy: Being Scottish, but living in the US, not a day goes by when someone finds it cute that I can actually use all the vowels properly. Here's a tip: Ask a Nebraskan to say "Merry, Mary, Marry." They'll all sound the same.


Ha! Born & raised in eastern Nebr., and you're absolutely right.
When I went to college in northern Iowa (populated mainly by Iowans, Minnesotans, Wisconsinites, and Illinois-ians [?]) I got a bunch of grief for pronouncing "ash" words (cash, stash, etc.) as "caish" or something like that, rather than like the "a" sound in "cat".
 
2012-03-29 11:06:18 PM  
i1127.photobucket.com

/What an irritable Vowell might look like.
 
2012-03-29 11:13:45 PM  
What the hell is a St. Louis corn door?
 
2012-03-29 11:14:50 PM  

Snapper Carr: [i1127.photobucket.com image 475x370]

/What an irritable Vowell might look like.


Holy crap, I can't stand her voice. Sorry, I just can't.

Her writing's not that awesome, either. Certainly not as awesome as she clearly believes it is.
 
2012-03-29 11:15:30 PM  

gunther_bumpass: What the hell is a St. Louis corn door?


If you have to ask, you don't want to know.
 
2012-03-29 11:18:04 PM  
(1) People in Cleveland, Chicago, Milwaukee do *not* all sound the same.

(2) The lower border of the "Inland North" grouping described in the article appears suspiciously like the IHOP/Waffle House Border

(3) As people in Indiana and Ohio know, the northern edge of "The South" is surprisingly far north; barely an hour south of the Great Lakes.
 
2012-03-29 11:19:52 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Snapper Carr: [i1127.photobucket.com image 475x370]

/What an irritable Vowell might look like.

Holy crap, I can't stand her voice. Sorry, I just can't.

Her writing's not that awesome, either. Certainly not as awesome as she clearly believes it is.


I think she and David Sedaris should have children. Then we could finally talk to dolphins.

/love their voices
 
2012-03-29 11:21:36 PM  
Ahm frm Murlind, and ah kin alwahs recignoize wun uv es.
 
2012-03-29 11:22:06 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: In Minnesota, the people there pronounce bag as "beg."


As a kid in wisconsin, I recall it being pronounced as "bay-g".
Of course I pronounce "beg" as "beh-g", so you know... whatevers.
 
2012-03-29 11:24:33 PM  

assjuice: Talked to a twenty- something girl lately? Every vowel sounds the same? It's grating?


You have now been translated into "teen".

you're welcome.
 
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