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(Politico)   The ten best pro and con Obamacare health care quotes. "If ObamaCare had been fully implemented when I caught cancer, I'd be dead"   (politico.com) divider line 262
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2012-03-29 01:24:09 PM
Oh, Herman Cain. You are such a fountain of idiocy.
 
2012-03-29 01:28:28 PM
You wouldn't catch cancer if you'd just wash your hands more often and keep them away from your nose and mouth, right?
 
2012-03-29 01:29:33 PM
How are any of those quotes "best". I was at least hoping to see some clever phrases or something. "[C]entralized, health dictatorship" is just words.
 
2012-03-29 01:33:00 PM
Says someone who thinks you "catch" cancer.
 
2012-03-29 01:37:05 PM
Note how all the "anti" quotes are one sentence sound bites, but the "pro" quotes are paragraphs that explain.
 
2012-03-29 02:01:06 PM
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-03-29 02:18:42 PM
Why is the Herman Caine quote in the "anti" section. That would be a "pro" to me.
 
2012-03-29 02:21:27 PM
"It's not the advertising, it's the dog food. Every time anybody has a look at it or has a lick of it, they don't like it."

I know my English isn't goodly, but...what?
 
2012-03-29 02:24:07 PM

vpb: Why is the Herman Caine quote in the "anti" section. That would be a "pro" to me.


Ok, that's funny.
 
2012-03-29 02:28:52 PM

vernonFL: "People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless." (new window)

- Investor's Business Daily


I'm British, idiots. They're the ones that have kept me alive.

- Stephen Hawking (paraphrased)

/Gods I loved that slap down.
 
2012-03-29 02:29:52 PM
They missed my favorite:

"we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it" - Nancy Pelosi
 
2012-03-29 02:40:02 PM
'This is not a tax.' - Obama
 
2012-03-29 02:41:42 PM
No death panel quote?
 
2012-03-29 02:41:55 PM

BillCo: They missed my favorite:

"we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it" - Nancy Pelosi


Better to mock the truth and accept the lies, eh?
 
2012-03-29 02:42:59 PM

BillCo: They missed my favorite:

"we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it" - Nancy Pelosi


How about:

Link (new window)

JUSTICE SCALIA: Mr. Kneedler, what happened to the Eighth Amendment? You really want us to go through these 2,700 pages?

(Laughter.)

JUSTICE SCALIA: And do you really expect the Court to do that? Or do you expect us to -- to give this function to our law clerks?

Is this not totally unrealistic? That we are going to go through this enormous bill item by item and decide each one?


God forbid a Supreme Court Justice should examine a law to determine what parts may or may not be Constitutional...especially since that decision can't be appealed and that it's an incredibly cushy job with nearly perfect job security.
 
2012-03-29 02:44:15 PM
I like how all the right's quotes are about eight words long ("THIS IS DUMB, DICKSHIAT FARTBONGO TAXES BOOGA BOOGA").

Also, why the fark are people still quoting Michael Moore?
 
2012-03-29 02:44:26 PM

impaler: Note how all the "anti" quotes are one sentence sound bites, but the "pro" quotes are paragraphs that explain.


Which is exactly why it has a high disapproval rating.
 
2012-03-29 02:44:58 PM
I'm guessing the Pros are "It will fix us all like Jesus" and the Cons are "The government will kill us all like the Rwanda Massacre".
 
2012-03-29 02:45:21 PM

SphericalTime: vernonFL: "People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless." (new window)

- Investor's Business Daily

I'm British, idiots. They're the ones that have kept me alive.

- Stephen Hawking (paraphrased)

/Gods I loved that slap down.


Yeah, sure he's British. Guy doesn't even have an accent.
 
2012-03-29 02:45:25 PM

propasaurus: Says someone who thinks you "catch" cancer.


Well, I suppose a surgeon could take the tumor, once he cuts it out, and tosses it.

If that is the case, then sure, it is theoretically possible to catch it.
 
2012-03-29 02:47:17 PM
"Obamacare will be so horrific that it will kill more Americans through deteriorating health care than were lost on 9/11." - Former New York gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino

I got to "Former New York..." and my brain automatically put Giulianni's name in.
 
2012-03-29 02:47:22 PM

Karac: No death panel quote?


I served on a death panel last month. It wasn't fun, but you can't just leave it to the insurance corporations.
 
2012-03-29 02:47:39 PM

rufus-t-firefly: BillCo: They missed my favorite:

"we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it" - Nancy Pelosi

How about:

Link (new window)

JUSTICE SCALIA: Mr. Kneedler, what happened to the Eighth Amendment? You really want us to go through these 2,700 pages?

(Laughter.)

JUSTICE SCALIA: And do you really expect the Court to do that? Or do you expect us to -- to give this function to our law clerks?

Is this not totally unrealistic? That we are going to go through this enormous bill item by item and decide each one?

God forbid a Supreme Court Justice should examine a law to determine what parts may or may not be Constitutional...especially since that decision can't be appealed and that it's an incredibly cushy job with nearly perfect job security.


Well, 2700 pages of legalise is nothing to sneeze at. I wonder if there is an actual cutoff for how long a law can be before the bench would reasonably be expected to read it. 5k pages? 10k?

In the modern era of incredibly long EULAs it might be a valuable conversation to have.
 
2012-03-29 02:47:59 PM

rufus-t-firefly: God forbid a Supreme Court Justice should examine a law to determine what parts may or may not be Constitutional.


Why should he? Congress didn't include a severability clause.
 
2012-03-29 02:48:42 PM

Bleyo: "Obamacare will be so horrific that it will kill more Americans through deteriorating health care than were lost on 9/11." - Former New York gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino

I got to "Former New York..." and my brain automatically put Giulianni's name in.


My god, did New Yorkers dodge a bullet there.
 
2012-03-29 02:48:48 PM
So, basically, as is fairly typical, the far-right wing Republican comments are all lies and short enough that their low-information base can easily repeat while the centrist Democratic responses are well articulated (with the exception of Biden's) and based in reality.
 
2012-03-29 02:49:31 PM
"If ObamaCare had been fully implemented when I caught cancer, I'd be dead where I would be under the Republican plan"
 
2012-03-29 02:49:50 PM
"We have the finest health care system in the world, that is what this health care law will destroy." - Sen. Ron Johnson

Thank Jeebus we have the best health care system in the world, otherwise we'd probably rank a lot lower than 36th in terms of life expectancy.
 
2012-03-29 02:50:55 PM

rufus-t-firefly: BillCo: They missed my favorite:

"we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it" - Nancy Pelosi

How about:

Link (new window)

JUSTICE SCALIA: Mr. Kneedler, what happened to the Eighth Amendment? You really want us to go through these 2,700 pages?

(Laughter.)

JUSTICE SCALIA: And do you really expect the Court to do that? Or do you expect us to -- to give this function to our law clerks?

Is this not totally unrealistic? That we are going to go through this enormous bill item by item and decide each one?

God forbid a Supreme Court Justice should examine a law to determine what parts may or may not be Constitutional...especially since that decision can't be appealed and that it's an incredibly cushy job with nearly perfect job security.


That's not the job of a Supreme Court Justice. They're not farking legislators. They don't get to rewrite bills. This should be eighth-grade civics material. It's called separation of powers.

So, no, it's not the job of the Supreme Court to become the revisor of statutes and decide what parts of a bill work and what do not. If Congress didn't add a severability clause, that's their own damn fault.
 
2012-03-29 02:51:38 PM

Sgt Stubby: 'This is not a tax.' - Obama


Government's lawyer "You can't throw this out because it's a tax.'

As an O supporter, this wasn't played very well. I like the idea behind the bill, but I don't think it was written well.
 
2012-03-29 02:52:36 PM

SphericalTime: vernonFL: "People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless." (new window)

- Investor's Business Daily

I'm British, idiots. They're the ones that have kept me alive.

- Stephen Hawking (paraphrased)

/Gods I loved that slap down.


"I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the N.H.S. I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived."
 
2012-03-29 02:52:57 PM

BillCo: They missed my favorite:

"we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it" - Nancy Pelosi


It's weird how you've brought this up at least 4 times in the past two days and still keep getting the quote incorrect. Even though it's been pointed out to you each time. Weird.
 
2012-03-29 02:53:36 PM
Universal health care is a concept that's just a bit too advanced for American society at this point. Let's revisit it again in 25 years.
 
2012-03-29 02:53:51 PM

rufus-t-firefly: God forbid a Supreme Court Justice should examine a law to determine what parts may or may not be Constitutional...especially since that decision can't be appealed and that it's an incredibly cushy job with nearly perfect job security.


They're really busy, deciding cases once or twice a year.
 
2012-03-29 02:54:17 PM

sprawl15: rufus-t-firefly: God forbid a Supreme Court Justice should examine a law to determine what parts may or may not be Constitutional.

Why should he? Congress didn't include a severability clause.


Nor did they read it before passing it. Goose, meet gander.
 
2012-03-29 02:55:27 PM
As much as I support HCR (if not this particular bill - go single payer!), and as much as the GOP constantly endeavors to out-do itself in the wingnut department, anyone who reads those and paid attention during the last few years can quite obviously see that they picked the worst from the right and not from the left. Hello? "Republicans want you to die quickly"? How is that not in there, and others like it?
 
2012-03-29 02:56:17 PM
Huh. Surprisingly, Ted Kennedy's was the strongest quote on there. I'm not normally disposed to think well of the Kennedys, but "great unfinished business of our society" is a fantastic line.
 
2012-03-29 02:57:56 PM

BillCo: They missed my favorite:

"we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it" - Nancy Pelosi


I know you're probably just a reprehensible fat virgin internet tough guy and I'm most likely wasting my time, but in case you ever feel like educating yourself here's the full quote:

You've heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don't know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention-it's about diet, not diabetes. It's going to be very, very exciting. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.



Any my god, she was right. Amazing. It's almost as if every time one of you jerkoffs posts that partial quote, it's making her even more right.
 
2012-03-29 02:58:43 PM
Of course, when Herman 'caught' cancer in 2006, the individual mandate was still the republican plan to fix the health care system by getting those lazy, shiftless college students and refrigerator-owning 'poor' to buy insurance so they'd stop forcing their costs onto the job creators.
 
2012-03-29 02:58:59 PM

JusticeandIndependence: BillCo: They missed my favorite:

"we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it" - Nancy Pelosi

It's weird how you've brought this up at least 4 times in the past two days and still keep getting the quote incorrect. Even though it's been pointed out to you each time. Weird.


Sigh. I should have figured.
 
2012-03-29 03:01:19 PM
what about the quote about 0bama being against the individual mandate?
 
2012-03-29 03:02:12 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: You wouldn't catch cancer if you'd just wash your hands more often and keep them away from your nose and mouth, right?


LOL WUT?

It's NOT shoving corn on the cob up your ass once a month?!?!
 
2012-03-29 03:02:40 PM

farkityfarker: Universal health care is a concept that's just a bit too advanced for American society at this point. Let's revisit it again in 25 years.


Which is a bit like saying "perpetual motion machines are a concept that's just a bit too adavanced for American society at this point. Let's revisit it again in 25 years."

"Universal health care" is a myth, and unless you can clone doctors and replicate medical equipment for free, it will always be a myth. The way supposedly "universal" health care systems operate is that they ration care, either overtly or tacitly. And the bigger the universal health care system gets, the bigger the problems get. You can run a relatively efficient "universal" system (at great cost) if you live in a homogenous country of 30 million people. Trying to apply that same system to a heterogenous country of 300 million people would make the inherent flaws in the system so big that it would collapse within months.

Health care is expensive. It will always be expensive, and anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is selling you a load of bullshiat.
 
2012-03-29 03:02:45 PM

Emposter: As much as I support HCR (if not this particular bill - go single payer!), and as much as the GOP constantly endeavors to out-do itself in the wingnut department, anyone who reads those and paid attention during the last few years can quite obviously see that they picked the worst from the right and not from the left. Hello? "Republicans want you to die quickly"? How is that not in there, and others like it?


You seem to have misunderstood the point of the article. Those really ARE the best quotes from Republicans on the subject. If they were trying to pick the worst quotes, they'd include Palin's remarks about death panels and such.
 
2012-03-29 03:04:23 PM
I really hope Romney doesn't have any godchildren....
 
2012-03-29 03:05:43 PM

WombatControl: Trying to apply that same system to a heterogenous country of 300 million people would make the inherent flaws in the system so big that it would collapse within months.

Health care is expensive. It will always be expensive, and anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is selling you a load of bullshiat.


American Exceptionalism!
 
2012-03-29 03:05:49 PM

Mearen: sprawl15: rufus-t-firefly: God forbid a Supreme Court Justice should examine a law to determine what parts may or may not be Constitutional.

Why should he? Congress didn't include a severability clause.

Nor did they read it before passing it. Goose, meet gander.


Who, that voted for it, stated that they did not read it? I know a lot of the people that voted against it didn't read it.
 
2012-03-29 03:05:50 PM

rufus-t-firefly: BillCo: They missed my favorite:

"we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it" - Nancy Pelosi

How about:

Link (new window)

JUSTICE SCALIA: Mr. Kneedler, what happened to the Eighth Amendment? You really want us to go through these 2,700 pages?

(Laughter.)

JUSTICE SCALIA: And do you really expect the Court to do that? Or do you expect us to -- to give this function to our law clerks?

Is this not totally unrealistic? That we are going to go through this enormous bill item by item and decide each one?

God forbid a Supreme Court Justice should examine a law to determine what parts may or may not be Constitutional...especially since that decision can't be appealed and that it's an incredibly cushy job with nearly perfect job security.


Most especially since the fool didn't even know that political deals like the so-called "cornhusker kickback" didn't make it into the final bill.

It gives me no comfort that one of the most senior justices on the Supreme Court appears to form his legal opinions by watching Fox News.
 
2012-03-29 03:06:11 PM

WombatControl: "Universal health care" is a myth, and unless you can clone doctors and replicate medical equipment for free, it will always be a myth. The way supposedly "universal" health care systems operate is that they ration care, either overtly or tacitly.


The system we have right now also rations health care you dolt. And nobody said it would be "free". And there are plenty of ways to encourage more people to become doctors and nurses and what not. We can build up the infrastructure as needed.
 
2012-03-29 03:07:41 PM

WombatControl: Health care is expensive. It will always be expensive, and anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is selling you a load of bullshiat.


Well, health care in the US is clearly more expensive than it is in Great Britian, or Germany, or Canada, or probably all three combined. No one's saying that health care will not be expensive. Obamacare is simply trying to move it to being expensive - it's currently at a 'death spiral' rate - after going to the doctor for a hangnail, you're given a bill which causes a heart attack by merely looking at it, leading to an emergency room, and another bill....
 
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