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(The Daily Beast)   The number one movie in the country, where dozens of teens brutally kill each other, gets a PG-13 rating. A documentary about the epidemic of bullying gets an R-rating because the kids used the F-word six times. Weep for America   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 204
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2012-03-29 12:51:55 PM  
I already do every hour of every day. We seem to have such a stick up our arses here.
 
2012-03-29 12:53:06 PM  
Amazing how it's only teh gayz who are whining about getting bulled.
That's probably because the herteros are expected to cowboy up and take it like an adult, right?

/I won't even address the teenager snuff porn.
 
2012-03-29 12:54:58 PM  

Carth: How many mass shooting happened in your school or the ones nearby? Since it didn't happen then it obviously isn't a problem and never happens now.


That's another good point. Go back to the 80's and tell me how many cases you find of kids shooting up their schools or plotting to do so. Like I said, kids back then didn't kill themselves and shoot up schools the way they do now, what's changed?
 
2012-03-29 12:57:22 PM  

Carth: Studios edit their movies specially to get a PG-13 rating and won't even make NC-17 films to get the widest audience


Yup. And you wind up with a PG-13 Die Hard movie.

The rating for Ridley Scott's Prometheus (prequel to Alien) is still up in the air. It'll probably get a PG-13 too.
 
2012-03-29 12:58:22 PM  

Mugato: SnarfVader: It's definitely changed. I seem to remember Airplane was rated PG and showed a woman topless.

Boobies were plentiful in PG movies back in the day. Titanic was the last PG-13 movie that I know of that had nudity. And that was only one breast. I'm surprised they didn't re-rate or cut the scene it for the 3D re-release.

Violence on the other hand, if you actually go back and watch some of the R rated action movies from the '80s, they weren't really all that violent. Lots of people got shot but lots of people get shot in today's PG-13 movies.

The MPAA is farked up, is the point.


Across the Universe, Something's Gotta Give, Fool's Gold, and Deja Vu all had nudity.
 
2012-03-29 12:58:56 PM  

Slow To Return: Carth: But she also understand that people DO die in real life from violence right? Assuming she is over 9 do you really think she doesn't hear kids swearing at school all day?

I don't take her with me on drive-by shootings, if that's what you're asking....


Not even on 'Bring your Daughter to Work Day'?
 
2012-03-29 01:01:44 PM  

9beers: Carth: How many mass shooting happened in your school or the ones nearby? Since it didn't happen then it obviously isn't a problem and never happens now.

That's another good point. Go back to the 80's and tell me how many cases you find of kids shooting up their schools or plotting to do so. Like I said, kids back then didn't kill themselves and shoot up schools the way they do now, what's changed?


The rate of homicides in U.S. schools has declined substantially since the early 1990s. There was an apparent interruption in the downward trend during a period of highly publicized shootings that may have generated some copycat shootings.


youthviolence.edschool.virginia.edu

Link (new window)
 
2012-03-29 01:05:35 PM  

SnarfVader: Steve Zodiac: Well first off this is nothing new. For decades you could kill, maim and torture people in movies and get a PG-13. Say 'Fark' (evidently more than once, which is why it was said only once in X Men First Class so it could keep it's PG-13) and it's an R. Context means nothing, it's purely a numbers game: Say X number of swear words and it's an R no matter what. Sex can be heavily implied, but not too explicitly talked about. Showing women from the waist up naked gets you an R, and showing nude frontal men gets you an NC-17, no matter the context. But killing, that's always ok.

It's definitely changed. I seem to remember Airplane was rated PG and showed a woman topless.


Both Airplanes did, as did "Clash of the Titans" (the original good one), and "16 Candles."

And they were all pretty hot.
 
2012-03-29 01:05:48 PM  

Mugato: Carth: Studios edit their movies specially to get a PG-13 rating and won't even make NC-17 films to get the widest audience

Yup. And you wind up with a PG-13 Die Hard movie.

The rating for Ridley Scott's Prometheus (prequel to Alien) is still up in the air. It'll probably get a PG-13 too.


If Prometheus is rated R it will be up there with Terminator 3 as the most expensive R rated film ever made. The last R rated movie with a budget over 100 million I can think of is Watchmen. I'd be really surprised if they don't cut Prometheus to get a PG-13 with how much they spent on it.
 
2012-03-29 01:06:41 PM  

12349876: The rate of homicides in U.S. schools has declined substantially since the early 1990s.


Columbine was in 1999 so it's no shock that the rates dipped so much after schools went crazy and started installing metal detectors, security guards and reporting every kid that looked at them funny. Besides, I was talking about the 80's, where are those stats?
 
2012-03-29 01:07:57 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Disgruntled Goat: Nudity is okay in a PG movie as long as it is in a non-sexual context.

The more you know.....

I seem to remember a brief scene of nudity in a Chevy Chase movie ("Modern Problems") that was sexual in context; the film came out in 1980-81.


I think Sheena (1984) was the movie that really pushed the PG-13 rating. There was tons of full-frontal female nudity (boobs, ass, and yes...the elusive vulva--check it out for yourself) and it was only rated PG. I mean, it would be NC-17 today.
 
2012-03-29 01:08:19 PM  

Cargo: SnarfVader: Steve Zodiac: Well first off this is nothing new. For decades you could kill, maim and torture people in movies and get a PG-13. Say 'Fark' (evidently more than once, which is why it was said only once in X Men First Class so it could keep it's PG-13) and it's an R. Context means nothing, it's purely a numbers game: Say X number of swear words and it's an R no matter what. Sex can be heavily implied, but not too explicitly talked about. Showing women from the waist up naked gets you an R, and showing nude frontal men gets you an NC-17, no matter the context. But killing, that's always ok.

It's definitely changed. I seem to remember Airplane was rated PG and showed a woman topless.

Both Airplanes did, as did "Clash of the Titans" (the original good one), and "16 Candles."

And they were all pretty hot.


To be fair, the thing I remember most about Clash of the Titans wasn't boobies, but the bath scene and that amazing tochis...

/Saw it in the theater
//YAY Base matinees where they let us in without permission!
 
2012-03-29 01:08:49 PM  

9beers: 12349876: The rate of homicides in U.S. schools has declined substantially since the early 1990s.

Columbine was in 1999 so it's no shock that the rates dipped so much after schools went crazy and started installing metal detectors, security guards and reporting every kid that looked at them funny. Besides, I was talking about the 80's, where are those stats?


I was looking at information in the 80s. Wikipedia has a pretty good list (new window) Stephen King did a story about it in the 70s so it definately isn't a new idea.
 
2012-03-29 01:09:42 PM  

9beers: 12349876: The rate of homicides in U.S. schools has declined substantially since the early 1990s.

Columbine was in 1999 so it's no shock that the rates dipped so much after schools went crazy and started installing metal detectors, security guards and reporting every kid that looked at them funny. Besides, I was talking about the 80's, where are those stats?


According to the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, in the United States, from September 1986 to September 1990 (four year period):[34]

At least 71 people (65 students and 6 school employees) had been killed with guns at school.
201 were severely wounded by gun fire.
242 individuals were held hostage at gunpoint.
 
2012-03-29 01:10:32 PM  

9beers: Wayne 985: "I didn't see it in my town as a kid, therefore it can't be a problem."

I wasn't in a town, I was in a city attending a high school with over 1,000 students. There were also several other high schools of similar size. Kids were no different then than they are now, if anything we were worse because we didn't have all the other distractions to keep us occupied. In all of my teenage years, I never heard of one kid committing suicide because they were bullied.


So in conclusion, you pretty much agree with him.
 
2012-03-29 01:10:37 PM  
I think this is terrible, but there is a silver lining about movie distribution in 2012. Kids who want this movie are going to be able to find it or download it quite easily. I have no fears there.

The real negative impact is losing the potential viewership of kids who might not be interested in this movie but would benefit from it. It will be more difficult for teachers to screen it in classrooms.

So, fark the MPAA.
 
2012-03-29 01:11:02 PM  

Mugato: Not that this anything to do with anything but why would a kid want to see a documentary about bullies anyway?

"But dad, I don't want to see Wrath of the Titans, I wanna see the movie about whiny kids getting picked on! I don't see enough of that in real life!"


I think the big issue is showing it in schools.
 
2012-03-29 01:13:46 PM  
Aww, did Fark Libs love for threatening corporations with government regulations unless they do what they want them to do come back and bite them in their delicate little tushies? Awwwwh.

/you reap what you sow
 
2012-03-29 01:14:20 PM  

AcademGreen: The MPAA sucks, but a politically derived alternative to it would be much, much worse. Half the time they act like idiots is because they (1) want to guarantee revenues and (2) they want to avoid anyone even discussing an alternative system because they know it will be much worse for the industry (and probably the consumers who will turn to other entertainment if everything needs to go though the Santorum-constituent approval process).


The Supremes have consistantly ruled that government ratings boards of any sort are unconstitutional. They are completely voluntary, at least in theory (although the major studios have agreed to rate everything they release in theaters). They've also ruled that any government restrictions on censoring of any kind of content (even just to minors) are unconstitutional, except for sexual content. The sexual content thing is a hand wave exception that really has no basis in constitutional reasoning, but they allow it because if they didn't they'd have to legalize kiddie porn as well as remove any restrictions on showing porn to minors. This also gave them the opening for the whole "community standards" thing, allowing other forms of sexual content to be banned in some areas (although having the line between what is banned and what isn't in any given location is way too vague, IMHO).
 
2012-03-29 01:18:27 PM  

AcademGreen: The MPAA sucks, but a politically derived alternative to it would be much, much worse. Half the time they act like idiots is because they (1) want to guarantee revenues and (2) they want to avoid anyone even discussing an alternative system because they know it will be much worse for the industry (and probably the consumers who will turn to other entertainment if everything needs to go though the Santorum-constituent approval process).



There is however no reason the MPAA ratings system shouldn't undergo a major overhaul after 44 years of existence, similar to way it was created at the end of the Hays Code. Most specifically, the process needs to be much more open, have clearly published guidelines, and not be entirely controlled by a handful of big studios. Both film making and society as a whole have changed a great deal since 1968, and it's about time the ratings system change as well.
 
2012-03-29 01:21:12 PM  
nice f*ckin' model

reelmovienation.com


/honk
//honk
 
2012-03-29 01:22:28 PM  

9beers: 12349876: The rate of homicides in U.S. schools has declined substantially since the early 1990s.

Columbine was in 1999 so it's no shock that the rates dipped so much after schools went crazy and started installing metal detectors, security guards and reporting every kid that looked at them funny. Besides, I was talking about the 80's, where are those stats?


My high school went full-on Crucible at one point. There was a guy who was made fun of by pretty much everyone, was quiet, reserved, and nerdy. The popular rich kids found out that they could torment him even more if they told the administration that he had talked about shooting up the school (he of course hadn't). The administration pulled him out of class, grilled him, and basically made his life more difficult for the rich kids' amusement.

As time goes on, I'm beginning to think that being a privileged rich white kid leads to psychopathy.
 
2012-03-29 01:22:46 PM  

9beers: Kids are such farking pussies these days. When I was in school, kids are as ruthless as they are now and nobody got so butthurt that they killed themselves over it. Just another example of the pussification of America.


Ooops. Somebody turn on the filter!
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-29 01:23:34 PM  
There are 17 documented incidents of school shootings on Wikipedia for 1970 thru 1989 and 5 of those were committed by adults.

From 1990 to 2000, there are 17 incidents with 1 being committed by an adult.

After 2000, the rates started going down. What I don't get is why did it take so long for schools to realize that there was a sharp increase in school shootings throughout the 90's and respond to the problem sooner?
 
2012-03-29 01:25:47 PM  
actually, i'm quite ok with this... I'd rather have unfiltered violence in my movie that a bunch of cussing.
 
2012-03-29 01:25:55 PM  

beta_plus: Aww, did Fark Libs love for threatening corporations with government regulations unless they do what they want them to do come back and bite them in their delicate little tushies? Awwwwh.

/you reap what you sow


Even more evidence that you have no fraking clue what you're talking about.
 
2012-03-29 01:30:44 PM  

9beers: There are 17 documented incidents of school shootings on Wikipedia for 1970 thru 1989 and 5 of those were committed by adults.

From 1990 to 2000, there are 17 incidents with 1 being committed by an adult.

After 2000, the rates started going down. What I don't get is why did it take so long for schools to realize that there was a sharp increase in school shootings throughout the 90's and respond to the problem sooner?


It's hard to isolate the statistics on a certain type of crime when all crime except cybercrime is going down. No matter what law enforcement, educators, and social workers do or don't do, it's going to continue to until this huge impacted plug of Boomers in the demographic gut of society dies off. An old society is a society with little crime, and we are still an aging society. Don't worry. In fifteen years, the crime rates will start to climb again.
 
2012-03-29 01:32:22 PM  
can't help but think of adam carolla's rant about his film "The Hammer" getting an R rating, when it had -- if i'm getting it correctly -- one "fark" (a character says it in frustration or exhaustion), and one "wetback".

and then he sees a ton of PG13 films with drugs, tons of swearing, and the occasional ass or titty.
 
2012-03-29 01:32:35 PM  
I used to love gorey movies when I was younger and haven't seen one since my Friday the 13th and Halloween days. So I decided to put one of those saw movies in and when they got to the "rack" scene where they were twisting his body parts off I shut it off and was horrified with what passes as a horror flick these days.


/amigettingold?
 
2012-03-29 01:36:47 PM  

beta_plus: Aww, did Fark Libs love for threatening corporations with government regulations unless they do what they want them to do come back and bite them in their delicate little tushies? Awwwwh.


There are so many things wrong with that statement aside from the overall douchebaggery of it so I'll just be concise and let you know that the MPAA is not a government organization.
 
2012-03-29 01:37:22 PM  
A decent documentary on netflix, specifically about this issue:

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-03-29 01:38:03 PM  

ltdanman44: I used to love gorey movies when I was younger and haven't seen one since my Friday the 13th and Halloween days. So I decided to put one of those saw movies in and when they got to the "rack" scene where they were twisting his body parts off I shut it off and was horrified with what passes as a horror flick these days.


/amigettingold?


The Saw series isn't scary, it's just disgusting. Some gore is to be expecting in slasher films, but Hostel and Saw just take it to a whole new (bad) level.
 
2012-03-29 01:42:25 PM  

ltdanman44: I used to love gorey movies when I was younger and haven't seen one since my Friday the 13th and Halloween days. So I decided to put one of those saw movies in and when they got to the "rack" scene where they were twisting his body parts off I shut it off and was horrified with what passes as a horror flick these days.


/amigettingold?


No. It's affectionately described as "torture porn" Slasher films used to be about a guy running around slashing people until the hero (usually a virginal girl) kills him (until the sequel). Now many horror film are people being tortured by various instruments dreamed up by some psycho screenwriter until pretty much the whole cast is dead. Roll credits.
 
2012-03-29 01:43:56 PM  
Jon Stewart had a great bit a little while back on the TV censorship rules. And we wonder why we're such a messed up society.
 
2012-03-29 01:46:21 PM  

ltdanman44: I used to love gorey movies when I was younger and haven't seen one since my Friday the 13th and Halloween days. So I decided to put one of those saw movies in and when they got to the "rack" scene where they were twisting his body parts off I shut it off and was horrified with what passes as a horror flick these days.


Modern torture film is vastly different than horror, or I'd say even slasher.

Typically in horror, the main driver of plot is suspense, drama and danger - with possibly a few moments of terror or brief gore (see. Alien or The Birds).

A slasher flick will usually add in obligatory female nudity (although this dropped off in the mid 2000's), and will throw in mild scenes of gore, like a knife through the chest or a 1 second shot of an instant decapitation. (see. All Freddy or Jason movies, Scream, Piranha 3D or Final Destination)

In a torture movie like Saw, they go into much more drawn out and detailed scenes of gore - with the scenes of things like decapitation lasting well beyond a second or two. They'll draw it out for several minutes and focus on direct pain & prolonged gore vs. implied danger or impending doom.

/loves horror & slasher films
//not a fan of torture films
 
GOB
2012-03-29 01:47:42 PM  
i hate censorship, but if the goal is to get this documentary seen by kids and parents just bleep the f-bombs and move on. Not like we don't understand whats being said when we hear FFFF BEEEP KKKK. The filmaker still gets his point across.
 
2012-03-29 01:49:07 PM  

DamnYankees: The reality is The Hunger Games was really not a very intense movie - the neutered it all to hell. I'm not surprised at this.


I haven't seen the doc but I can imagine it being much more intense than Hunger Games. That said, unless it has graphic sex or violence, which I doubt, it should be viewable by the people most impacted.
 
2012-03-29 01:49:12 PM  

dehehn: Jon Stewart had a great bit a little while back on the TV censorship rules. And we wonder why we're such a messed up society.



about ten years ago Fox had some lame show that only lasted like, 8 episodes about these 3 young female attorneys. for wahtever reason, i watched the show even though it sucked.

one episode, a senior female partner tells them -- keep in mind this was primetime, free airwaves, not cable -- something like, "do you think i made partner by letting men ejaculate on my face?"

my wife and i both came to a dead stop and were like, "UHH....DID WE JUST HEAR WHAT WE THINK WE HEARD?"

but i guess since no one was watching, the media didn't jump on it.
 
2012-03-29 01:55:05 PM  

rickythepenguin: dehehn: Jon Stewart had a great bit a little while back on the TV censorship rules. And we wonder why we're such a messed up society.


about ten years ago Fox had some lame show that only lasted like, 8 episodes about these 3 young female attorneys. for wahtever reason, i watched the show even though it sucked.

one episode, a senior female partner tells them -- keep in mind this was primetime, free airwaves, not cable -- something like, "do you think i made partner by letting men ejaculate on my face?"

my wife and i both came to a dead stop and were like, "UHH....DID WE JUST HEAR WHAT WE THINK WE HEARD?"

but i guess since no one was watching, the media didn't jump on it.


I was pretty floored when Baltar said the actual F word (not frak) on Battlestar Galactica, and that SyFy let it air. I've often wondered if James Callis got so involved and emotional in the scene that he accidentally said fark instead of frak. It was in one of the very last episodes.
 
2012-03-29 01:57:09 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Battlestar Galactica, and that SyFy let it air



cable tv.

you can't be offended by shiat you invite into your home.
 
2012-03-29 01:58:32 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: I was pretty floored when Baltar said the actual F word (not frak) on Battlestar Galactica, and that SyFy let it air. I've often wondered if James Callis got so involved and emotional in the scene that he accidentally said fark instead of frak. It was in one of the very last episodes.


Basic cable can do whatever they want. They keep it somewhat tame because of the advertisers but the gov't only controls what we see over the air, being the major networks. Sometimes they curse a lot on South Park and shows like The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad have as much violence and gore as R rated movies.
 
2012-03-29 01:59:15 PM  

gunga galunga: Moral Majority


Link (new window)
NSFWish
 
2012-03-29 02:05:05 PM  

MrSteve007: ltdanman44: I used to love gorey movies when I was younger and haven't seen one since my Friday the 13th and Halloween days. So I decided to put one of those saw movies in and when they got to the "rack" scene where they were twisting his body parts off I shut it off and was horrified with what passes as a horror flick these days.

Modern torture film is vastly different than horror, or I'd say even slasher.

Typically in horror, the main driver of plot is suspense, drama and danger - with possibly a few moments of terror or brief gore (see. Alien or The Birds).

A slasher flick will usually add in obligatory female nudity (although this dropped off in the mid 2000's), and will throw in mild scenes of gore, like a knife through the chest or a 1 second shot of an instant decapitation. (see. All Freddy or Jason movies, Scream, Piranha 3D or Final Destination)

In a torture movie like Saw, they go into much more drawn out and detailed scenes of gore - with the scenes of things like decapitation lasting well beyond a second or two. They'll draw it out for several minutes and focus on direct pain & prolonged gore vs. implied danger or impending doom.

/loves horror & slasher films
//not a fan of torture films


Torture films just aren't scary. There's no suspense in a 2 minute decapitation and torture scene. All it does is serve to desensitize the audience. The golden age of horror films, where suspense was king, is gone. In favor of everyone trying to see if they can stomach buckets of gore.

Sucks because I love horror films, but I love horror films with a true point and a grasp of how to keep the viewer guessing(a la old slasher films, Alien, The Thing, etc). My wife loves horror films, but her definition of a horror film is something that's about as gory as watching live surgery. She doesn't grasp that a snap cut that forces the kill to be off-screen is often times more off-putting than watching a rubber mannequin be dissected for half an hour.

I miss real horror :(.
 
2012-03-29 02:11:39 PM  

Mugato: Mike Chewbacca: I was pretty floored when Baltar said the actual F word (not frak) on Battlestar Galactica, and that SyFy let it air. I've often wondered if James Callis got so involved and emotional in the scene that he accidentally said fark instead of frak. It was in one of the very last episodes.

Basic cable can do whatever they want. They keep it somewhat tame because of the advertisers but the gov't only controls what we see over the air, being the major networks. Sometimes they curse a lot on South Park and shows like The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad have as much violence and gore as R rated movies.


Yeah, I recall the first time Rick Grimes said "shiat" on TWD. My response was, 'Hey he just said shiat." I just remember that as recently as 5 or 6 years ago, even cable channels didn't have much swearing. I'm not bothered at all by, it just surprises me when I hear it.
 
2012-03-29 02:16:26 PM  
"Remember what the MPAA says; Horrific, Deplorable violence is okay, as long as people don't say any naughty woids!"

Mrs. Broflovski, South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut
 
2012-03-29 02:16:42 PM  

Mugato: Some 'Splainin' To Do: It's not a surprise if you remember which groups were lobbying the MPAA for a PG-13. The crappy thing is that they used the melty scenes from Raiders of the Lost Ark to make their case.

Actually Spielberg spearheaded it because of Temple of Doom.


Gremlins was another movie that contributed to it. it didn't help that the trailer's showed Gizmo but not the gremlins and portrayed it as a family Christmas movie, which happened to include one gremlin getting tossed in a blender and another exploding in a microwave.

//Fun Fact - the first PG-13 movie was Red Dawn.
 
2012-03-29 02:21:52 PM  

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman:

//Fun Fact - the first PG-13 movie was Red Dawn.


Whatever happened to the remake of that? Last I heard they were making it so North Koreans, not Chinese, invaded or something stupid.
 
2012-03-29 02:22:33 PM  
My daughter (15 years old) told me about her poop last night, but we both get quiet watching tv when sex, and/or the talk of sex comes up.
 
2012-03-29 02:24:56 PM  

Strategeryz0r: Sucks because I love horror films, but I love horror films with a true point and a grasp of how to keep the viewer guessing(a la old slasher films, Alien, The Thing, etc). My wife loves horror films, but her definition of a horror film is something that's about as gory as watching live surgery. She doesn't grasp that a snap cut that forces the kill to be off-screen is often times more off-putting than watching a rubber mannequin be dissected for half an hour.

I miss real horror :(.


I agree. I made it through the first Saw film but only made it about 30 minutes into the second film before turning it off. I enjoyed Eli Roth's Hostel merely for the fact that it was a dark humor movie with several scenes of torture thrown in (the fact that the scariest thing in that movie are the roving bands of children asking for candy always gives me a chuckle). I could put up with those elements of torture, but would have preferred a dark-comedy slasher like his first film "Cabin Fever."

One movie that I think made a decent attempt at bridging the elements of these sub-genres of horror was the modern "The Hills Have Eyes 2." It wasn't a masterpiece by any means, but elements of the first scene really stuck with me (torture, brutality and hopelessness), and whenever I'm in similar wilderness terrain, I'm reminded of that film. I'm not sure if that's a good thing, but I found it to be memorable.
 
2012-03-29 02:26:38 PM  

Carth: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman:

//Fun Fact - the first PG-13 movie was Red Dawn.

Whatever happened to the remake of that? Last I heard they were making it so North Koreans, not Chinese, invaded or something stupid.



Thanksgiving weekend release this year.
 
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