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(ABC)   George Zimmerman on video after the shooting. Funny, those massive head injuries seem to have healed fast, and where's all the blood that should have stained his shirt from shooting someone who was on top of him?   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 299
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2012-03-28 10:13:34 PM
11 votes:
Here's my question. Why does it matter if he was attacked or not? Are you telling me that, in Florida, if I'm being followed and chased by a large man,with a gun, and approaches me. I then defend myself with my fists, and he shoots and kills me, that he is innocent of all charges and it's my fault.

I honestly just can't see how anyone can defend zimmerman here... i've been truly trying, but I just can't see it what so ever.
2012-03-28 09:46:32 PM
7 votes:
I still can't understand why he hasn't been arrested. He's recorded on the 911 call as saying he's in his car following the kid. He's told not to do that. The fact that he even ends up outside his car near the kid in a position to feel "threatened" means he put himself there. That should be all it takes to remove the Stand Your Ground defense.
2012-03-28 08:39:17 PM
6 votes:
Take a look at the law man,
beating up the wrong guy.
Oh, man, wonder if he'll ever know.
He's in the best selling show.
Is there life on Mars?

I need a new planet.
2012-03-28 08:56:40 PM
5 votes:

Earguy: Oh boy, this could be big.


Yep. It looks more and more like a shiaty coverup by the police trying to hide the fact that they just assumed it was another dead black kid and nobody would even notice.
2012-03-28 08:06:00 PM
5 votes:

DeltaPunch: Zimmerman also had domestic violence charges back in 2006, including fighting with a policeman.

But you know, Trayvon got suspended from school once, plus he was wearing a hoodie so he clearly deserved to be shot... can we PLEASE just move on folks?!?


We can move on when he's charged with murder. Plus the GOP is actually supporting Zimmerman for murdering the kid. In every way, this needs to be an issue.
2012-03-29 09:38:35 AM
4 votes:

RexTalionis: If you carry, concealed or openly, just remember - every shot you squeeze off, whether ultimately found justified or not, will cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars in attorney fees and will ruin your life.


Which ought to teach people that unless a life in danger, the armed person should choose to retreat or de-escalate and let the police handle it.

And, in fact, that's what 98 out of 100 armed persons is going to do. Most people with weapons are very, very responsible. But, those 2 out of 100 can cause a lot of damage -- especially when a SYG law gives them a green light to act out their hero fantasies.
2012-03-28 09:53:01 PM
4 votes:
So much for the Paranoia defense. It's getting harder and harder to lead with the words, "I say without fear of contradiction..." in the modern era. What is the world coming to when a troubleshooter is doubted? Though to be fair, it looks like he only had Red clearance.

If someone approached me in my neighborhood demanding to know what I was doing there, if I gave him any response it would be along the lines of "your wife, since you're not there to satisfy her." If I was in a good mood, I may just tell him "sorry, I'm not holding tonite but it looks like you need a good fix, I know a guy you can blow for it." Seriously, it's the sidewalk (or shoulder of the road), someone has no right to question me about using it, and Zimmerman makes a good argument for just preemptively shooting the questioner before you get shot by Mr. Neighborhood Watch. Thanks for upping the stakes in any encounter. If you insist that race had nothing to do with this, it makes it even worse because ANYONE can claim that the other person assaulted them and the shooting was in self defense. As long as only one side of the story is told, nothing else matters, right?
2012-03-28 09:48:07 PM
4 votes:

SoCalSurfer: So the lottery is up to over 500 mil

Who do you think is gonna win?

What would you do with all that money?

I personally would kick the mod who keeps greenlighting this crap right in the nuts


You know, there are like 8 steps you have to get through to actually see this thread. You can avoid it if you want to. But you have to be a petulant whiner about it.
2012-03-28 09:47:44 PM
4 votes:

9beers: New thread!!!!!! Hahaha this shiat is awesome. Somebody call Florida and tell them not to bother with a grand jury because Fark has this shiat all figured out.

George Zimmerman has not been charged with a crime because there is not evidence that he committed any.

Fark makes money based on page views, right?


god youre farking stupid. criminally obtuse. you have never, ever added anything of substance to any thread here, and exist solely as a shill for the authoritarian right wing. fark off.
2012-03-28 09:13:44 PM
4 votes:
thought I should point this out: Funeral director: No injuries on Trayvon's hands (new window)

now this gets even more interesting!
2012-03-28 09:04:01 PM
4 votes:
I'll be over here holding my breath for all the guys who called me a homosexual for believing that Zimmerman was lying to come in here and apologize.
2012-03-29 02:19:46 AM
3 votes:
Apropos of nothing, after skimming this thread, I feel like the only person on Fark who has filled out demographic surveys that include a checkbox for "White (Non-Hispanic)" and "White (Hispanic)."

'Hispanic' is not universally 'brown person.'
Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. That's why it's answered separately from race questions.
2012-03-29 01:10:39 AM
3 votes:

osafer:
Dude say what you want, I don't care what you think.. I am comfortable in my own skin. and according to you, I should be thankful it is white.... It is funny to me that a liberal only see skin color and a Conservative only sees a human....


Oh, and just because you seem to think conservatives "only see a human"....

Racist comments on Fox News comment boards about Treyvon
More racist comments on Fox News comment boards about Treyvon
Racist comments on Fox News comment boards about Whitney Houston
Racist comments on Fox News comment boards about Michelle Obama
Racist comments on Fox News comment boards about Muslims
Racist comments on Fox News comment boards about Whitney Houston's daughter
Racist comments on Fox News comment boards about Sheila Jackson Lee

Yess... conservatives are so enlightened about the whole race thing, it's the liberals who are the real racists.
2012-03-28 11:01:30 PM
3 votes:

gonzoduke: 9beers: So why aren't we talking about the dozens of black teens that looted a Miami Walgreens today in what they called a "Treyvon Martin protest"? You know, I haven't even seen this reported on TV today, why do you think that is?

Dude, really, you're not helping matters at all. So please, just stop.


I don't think he can. He's invested so much of his own identity and self worth in this he seriously can't bring himself to turn away. This guy appears to have spent something like three days without sleep constantly posting when this story first broke out, and since then has only taken breaks long enough to take catnaps (or score more meth, who knows what keeps him going). He keeps making dramatic statements about how he's tired of arguing with idiots and so he's storming out, only to post literally minutes later.

I have to say, it's become a really impressive train wreck. It's like watching a multi hour video compilation of people accidentally getting hit in the nuts. It has no real value, it shouldn't really even be funny, you want to stop watching, but it's too farking hilarious.
2012-03-28 11:00:06 PM
3 votes:

ElBarto79: Worksucks370: Here's my question. Why does it matter if he was attacked or not? Are you telling me that, in Florida, if I'm being followed and chased by a large man,with a gun, and approaches me. I then defend myself with my fists, and he shoots and kills me, that he is innocent of all charges and it's my fault.

I honestly just can't see how anyone can defend zimmerman here... i've been truly trying, but I just can't see it what so ever.

The gun was concealed. According to Zimmerman he was heading back to his car when Martin approached him and asked him why he was following him. This seems to be backed up by Martins girlfriend who was on the phone and heard him ask "why are you following me?". According to Zimmerman Martin punched him in the face, knocked him to the ground and was slamming his head against the ground. This is at least partially backed up by 2 witnesses. Now I'm not saying this is all true or not, I want to see what the investigation finds, but if Zimmermans account is true I can see how this could be self defense.

Let's try a hypothetical scenario. I'm following someone I saw snooping around my neighbors house, the guy gets pissed and starts coming after me with a baseball bat. Am I supposed to just stand there and get beat to death? If I pull out a gun and shoot the guy am I guilty of murder or is it self defense? What a lot of people seem to be saying is that it doesn't matter what happened in the fight because Zimmerman started it by following him. This is really a ridiculous statement, if your life is in danger you are justified in defending yourself.


Wrong, if you run around playing hero following an innocent man around and then kill him when you stand between him and his home, You are guilty. In fact, the stand your ground argument could show that Trevon had every right to defend himself from an anonymous armed attacker who was clearly following him and was now between him and his home. My understanding is that there is also an "equal force" section to the Stand your Ground law. Hit in the nose and Shot Dead aren't very equal either. You're just wrong.
2012-03-28 10:23:57 PM
3 votes:

9beers: Mrtraveler01: But they're in no way racist...

You know dude, you're kind of dimwitted with all your racist talk. I decided to go over to Strormfront to see how real racists are reacting to this and guess what, the only thing they're concerned about is Zimmerman being labeled as white. They couldn't give a fark less that a Hispanic might be accused of killing a black. So see buddy, you're kind of a fool because white racists don't give a fark about anything other than other white people.

The real racists in this are people pulling the race card. You know, about 99% of the black population and most Farkers.


So you're making unjustified generalizations about a race (99% of blacks are racist) and you're not racist in the least? Virulent hatred isn't the only sign of racism you know.

Wait, let me provide a better response.

2/10. Would not hit.
2012-03-28 10:09:46 PM
3 votes:
I'm amused by the original Fark thread on Florida's "Stand Your Ground Law" (new window).

And particularly this exchange (new window):

bayoucity1 2006-02-24 09:49:25 AM

Caiteach:Yes, people should be able to defend themselves if attacked, but percieved threat? Unless perceived threat is very well defined in these laws that is a legal loophole a mile wild. We are one paranoid nation, and I can see this as being used to justify shooting that Arab-looking guy acting suspicous or the black in a doo rag who looks dangerous.

The reason you think this is because you are an idiot who thinks anyone who owns a gun must be some crazy racist bubba, troll.


and this:

Fark It [TotalFark] 2006-02-24 03:31:34 PM

Wow, we have common law decisions that erase any kind of duty to retreat in a bunch of states, and a bunch of state legislators want to put such an idea onto the books, and the gun-grabbers automatically jump to the shooting black people because they're scary argument. Sickening.


Yeah, totally sickening to point out what turns out to be a very likely outcome of a stupid law. It's not like this EXACT situation wasn't anticipated and brought up specifically at the time.
2012-03-28 10:09:42 PM
3 votes:

ElBarto79: Let's be very clear, at no point did anyone tell Zimmerman to stop, no one told him to return to his car, no one told him "don't do that". What the police dispatcher said, verbatim, was "we don't need you to do that". It's the difference between a suggestion, and a specific instruction.


When a cop says "May I have your license and registration, please?", do you honestly think that's not a demand?

This just in: people in power sometimes phrase orders as requests.
2012-03-28 09:49:53 PM
3 votes:

CrAz3D: grainy video that shows basically grainy grain-like grains. DEFINITELY proof of X.


The anti-hoodie brigade is really grasping at straws tonight.

Did you see any blood? Did you see any bandages?

The video proves that Zimmerman is a liar. Telling a provable lie about involvement in a killing has put a lot of murderers behind bars. Just that, nothing more. One simple but provable lie regarding the crime. That's all it often takes to convince a jury of guilt.
2012-03-28 09:44:03 PM
3 votes:

GAT_00: Plus the GOP is actually supporting Zimmerman for murdering the kid. In every way, this needs to be an issue.


You are completely full of crap. Nice troll, asshat, but there is no support for this thug except among his own little group of self appointed terrorists. Go fark yourself. The last thing this situation needs is knuckle dragging trolls like you making it a GOP/Dem issue. Fark you.
2012-03-28 09:24:55 PM
3 votes:
Don't the police typically wear latex gloves when there's a danger that they will come into contact with blood and other body fluids in the course of their job? Why aren't the police wearing gloves here? They would have had time to get some and put them on before touching the suspect.

/I sure as hell would have been wearing gloves if there was blood involved.
2012-03-28 09:21:31 PM
3 votes:
Screenshots

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A little frustration

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2012-03-28 08:36:11 PM
3 votes:
But seriously, how much clout does this not-even-a-rent-a-cop have around the neighborhood that "witnesses" are willing to lie for him? A dead black kid in your nice little gated community is one thing. A neighborhood of people conspiring to help the killer is a whole new level of unsavory.
2012-03-28 08:02:19 PM
3 votes:
Zimmerman also had domestic violence charges back in 2006, including fighting with a policeman.

But you know, Trayvon got suspended from school once, plus he was wearing a hoodie so he clearly deserved to be shot... can we PLEASE just move on folks?!?
2012-03-28 07:56:20 PM
3 votes:
Oh boy, this could be big.
2012-03-29 07:21:36 PM
2 votes:

Thrag: So that's the injury he sustained that made him so fearful for his life he had no choice but to kill another human? I've had mosquito bites bigger than that.


Keep moving those goal posts.
2012-03-29 04:37:16 PM
2 votes:
Zimmerman was not arrested, from the Sanford Fl City Manager

Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?

When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr.
Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time
was supported by physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law
enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and
circumstances they had at the time. Additionally, when any police officer makes an
arrest for any reason, the officer MUST swear and affirm that he/she is making the
arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously and in
bad faith, the officer and the City may be held liable.

warning PDF

Sanford City Manager

also the police report verifies this by omission, nowhere in the report does either officer state that zimmerman was placed under arrest which would be noted if he had been.

Handcuffing someone involved in a homocide would seem to be a pretty good idea and SOP when transporting to investigation\detention until such time as you can verify they are not a threat to law enforcement
2012-03-29 03:14:37 PM
2 votes:
Thunderpipes SmartestFunniest 2012-03-29 02:03:53 PM

The law completely disagrees with you. This is fact. I like the word choices too. "Stalk", "chase them down". Nice.

The law says that if some random person starts following me anywhere, I have no special rights whatsoever unless they actually attack me. They can even yell at me, call me names, I still cannot attack them. Tray's duty (as you guys keep saying Zimmermans' was once attacked) was to ignore him, talk to him, or simply leave. He attacked. He died. Oops. No reasonable person (and no jury) would ever think silently following someone briefly constituted a threat of bodily harm. Tray was a thug. He wanted to be all gangsta like Twopack and Biggie Fats. He did it wrong.



you don't jack shiat about the law.
you don't have to wait until you get punched in the head to defend yourself. you don't even have to wait until they cock their fist first. you don't have to wait until someone slaps you or even so much as spits on your pant leg to take action. All that matter is whether a reasonable person in the given situation would have felt the physical threat was imminent and the preemptive response was proportional.

a strange man creeping up in his car on a random person lawfully walking down the street to get to their residence, then exiting his car and chasing that person down the street and behind houses in the dark of night would put any reasonable person in fear of a physical confrontation soon to be initiated by that unknown aggressor, and thus proportional self defense in that situation is reasonable.

trayvon is allowed to use reasonable force as anyone else would have been before zimmerman even tried to lay one finger on him.
this is the only conservative way to view the interplay between our individual rights regarding autonomy, and our responsibilities to each other and in opposition to one another in a society where we all must coexist, and it is also happens to be the law.
2012-03-29 01:24:40 PM
2 votes:

ox45tallboy: So, you're going to be okay with people following you down the street in their car, then getting out and following you on foot? You're forgetting, this was a scary hispanic guy in a nice gated community. Who knows what sort of mischief he was up to!

The kid had every right to defend himself under the "stand your ground" law in Florida. He was not obligated to make nice and do what the scary Hispanic guy wanted. He was not obligated to even talk to the guy, since the scary hispanic guy was acting threateningly and unreasonable first.


I'm not sure there is a duty to retreat anywhere in america as long as you aren't if using deadly force as your form of self defense.
I have a feeling in NY City you don't have to turn tail and flee when attacked if there is an escape route; that you have the option of meeting non lethal aggression with your own non lethal aggression.
I have a feeling stand your ground would not even be necessary to justify for trayvon's actions in any jurisdiction in america.

if trayvon attacked first, what he did was reasonable under normal self defense theory because he reasonably feared an attack by zimmer.
2012-03-29 09:58:42 AM
2 votes:

rufus-t-firefly: Seriously, the Florida health care system is INCREDIBLE.


I still want to see the time stamp.
2012-03-29 09:58:23 AM
2 votes:

stebain: rufus-t-firefly: I love how they use that scrawny picture - kind of defeats the "Zimmerman was overpowered and in imminent danger" argument. That bird-chested kid ain't kicking anyone's ass.

it also shows that Zimmerman wasn't some fat Jabba comically running after Martin while the opening theme to What's Happenin' plays in the background.

Frankly, the video shows him to be in rather good shape. Athlete or not, I find it LESS likely to believe that Zimmerman couldn't counter some of the moves on a 140 pound kid.


Their story: A fat guy, just trying to do good, crying and wailing as he's beaten by a thug.

The video, however, shows a MUCH different person. It's even a different image than the one they've tried to build with the suit picture...can't wait to see how they spin this one.
2012-03-29 09:30:34 AM
2 votes:
I think what we can all learn from this incident is this:

If you carry, concealed or openly, just remember - every shot you squeeze off, whether ultimately found justified or not, will cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars in attorney fees and will ruin your life.
2012-03-29 09:14:56 AM
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: The law says he does. Because he was not "chased" like a dog, he was followed. That is not against the law in any way. The law also says you don't have the right to savagely beat someone while telling them they are going to die because someone followed you briefly. Since he did that, he absolutely deserved to be shot. This is what the law says, and common sense says. But this is Fark, in your eyes, NO_LIMIT_nubian can beat people as much as he wants while threatening their life, because he had Skittles.

Racist, dumb, and bad-dumb all at once, Congratulations.

What would I have done? I would have asked the person why he was following me. What did Tray do? "you got a problem"? "No" says Zimmerman, "now you do" and punch him in the face and start savagely beating him. Ya, sounds like an upstanding young man.


So, you're going to be okay with people following you down the street in their car, then getting out and following you on foot? You're forgetting, this was a scary hispanic guy in a nice gated community. Who knows what sort of mischief he was up to!

The kid had every right to defend himself under the "stand your ground" law in Florida. He was not obligated to make nice and do what the scary Hispanic guy wanted. He was not obligated to even talk to the guy, since the scary hispanic guy was acting threateningly and unreasonable first.
2012-03-29 08:10:12 AM
2 votes:
Sorry for being late to the party, but something else I heard mentioned on msnbc last night. Why were the police touching the jacket, his clothing, rubbing all over him without wearing gloves? Isn't that contamination of evidence?
2012-03-29 03:52:13 AM
2 votes:
"I'm not racist! I love black people who behave like white Republicans!"
2012-03-29 03:50:32 AM
2 votes:
When your dad is a retired magistrate (new window), your face doesn't bleed.
2012-03-29 01:33:33 AM
2 votes:
I said I would not judge the guy until I saw sufficient evidence to believe he's guilty (by way of him not being in fear of his life at the time he pulled the trigger)... because the video shows Mr. Zimmerman in such good condition (no black eyes, no substantial bleeding from the back of his head as had been reported, just generally in good shape), I do not believe, given the evidence, that Mr. Zimmerman was attacked to such a point that any reasonable person would have had fear for their life. I know in other threads I took an absolute drubbing for saying I wanted to wait until there was some compelling evidence one way or another because I believed Mr. Zimmerman could have said something so hateful it would have incited an attack from Mr. Davis, but after seeing this video, I'm onboard with indicting the farker for either manslaughter or second degree homicide.
2012-03-29 01:22:24 AM
2 votes:

CornDog in 2012: So if this turns Out like the duke case, will everyone apologize?


Yes. If it turns out Trayvon Martin faked his death just to get George Zimmerman in trouble, I suspect a lot of people will apologize.

And, unless Trayvon Martin is alive somewhere laughing at all the trouble he stirred up, I don't see how it possibly be ANYTHING like the Duke case.
2012-03-29 01:14:45 AM
2 votes:

Rincewind53: Yess... conservatives are so enlightened about the whole race thing, it's the liberals who are the real racists.


Conservatives think Jim Crow laws were enacted by liberals, and the civil rights movement was a conservative phenomenon.

/actually they don't think that at all, they just call Jim Crow "the good ol' days"
2012-03-29 12:53:20 AM
2 votes:
He was white enough to stand his ground but dark enough to hide the bruises. He is the perfect man.
2012-03-29 12:52:59 AM
2 votes:
What Zimmerman saw:

i1222.photobucket.com

What Trayvon saw:

i1222.photobucket.com
2012-03-29 12:37:37 AM
2 votes:
There is no evidence ZImmerman chased anyone beyond this point. He thinks Treyvon got away until the very end of the call he gets suspicious and doesn't want to give his address out.

Remember though that Martin is still talking on the phone with his girlfriend right up until the encounter. Both of them think they have lost each other at some point, but if Martin is lying in ambush why is he talking on the phone? Why can't Zimmerman hear him?
2012-03-29 12:12:53 AM
2 votes:

Fireproof: osafer: I came from nothing and earned everything I have no one gave me anything,

I'm sure you fed and clothed yourself as a baby. Everyone does in America, right? And I'm sure you also went to nothing but private schools and have never once driven on a public road, right?


cache.gawker.com

"I've been on foodstamps and welfare, did anyone help me out?"
2012-03-28 11:20:24 PM
2 votes:

Daraymann: Nope, the media is not race baiting. Not at all.

/If the shooter was black, nobody would care.
//FARK those walrus pictures.


i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
2012-03-28 11:03:17 PM
2 votes:

ElBarto79: furiousxgeorge: Let's try a hypothetical scenario. I'm following someone I saw snooping around my neighbors house, the guy gets pissed and starts coming after me with a baseball bat. Am I supposed to just stand there and get beat to death? If I pull out a gun and shoot the guy am I guilty of murder or is it self defense? What a lot of people seem to be saying is that it doesn't matter what happened in the fight because Zimmerman started it by following him. This is really a ridiculous statement, if your life is in danger you are justified in defending yourself.

Why invent the baseball bat? Because it sounds ridiculous when it's an unarmed kid who is much thinner than the other guy, we know. Look, here's the thing. We know for a fact Zimmerman was chasing and Martin was running. Zimmerman's claim is that this situation reversed but there is no evidence to back that up aside from his claim. We don't know who struck first.
.

I knew as soon as I posted that that someone would just focus on the baseball bat. Fine, let's change it;

I see someone snooping around my neighbors house and follow him. The guy gets pissed, turns the tables on me, knocks me to the ground and begins beating the crap out of me.

At what point am I allowed to pull out my gun and shoot him? If I shoot him is it self defense or murder?

What a lot of people seem to be claiming is that Zimmerman started it by following Martin, therefore it doesn't matter what happened after that he is always guilty because he started it. All I'm saying is you are entitled to defend yourself if your life is in danger. No rational person would let themselves be beat to death in this hypothetical situation.


Right, but you are inventing a hypothetical where Martin is definitely guilty and turned around and attacked him. You also invented the detail where Martin was snooping instead of just walking home. That is not a fact, it is a hypothetical. Look, how about the hypothetical where Zimmerman screamed a racial slur, and then shot him in cold blood? Now if we consider THAT....

Anyway, if Zimmerman was legitimately defending himself than he was legitimately defending himself, that should be allowed under the law. The problem is the evidence for that right now is his own word.

Separate from the legal issue, Zimmerman should be held responsible for following someone for no damn reason when he was told it was not necessary, introducing a handgun into the situation for no god damn reason, assuming the kid was on drugs which probably put Zimmerman more on edge for no good reason, and on and on and on.
2012-03-28 11:02:39 PM
2 votes:

tinyarena: The cop said bleeding from nose and back of head. Watch the video.There is no blood on his shirt. There is no blood on his back. There is no blood. And yes, I do know blood when I see it. In fact, there is no mark on him at all. My, this is guy is so neat.


Yeah, the lack of blood on his clothes is the most telling part. No question, he doesn't appear to be in the sort of condition that recent statements from HIM and HIS lawyer have been bringing up the past few days, and hell yeah, it's interesting.

I'm just thinking though that people saying "b...b...but even the police report said he was bleeding from the nose and head!" aren't really pulling such a trump card anyway, because it's easy enough to be "bleeding from the nose and head" and have both only be little scratches that wouldn't leave a mess.

...which of course would not be "being beaten repeatedly into concrete and with my nose broken."

But absolutely, more that the current state of his head (if we assume everything was wiped really nicely and they used crazy glue or whatever) I would expect more blood on his clothing, if his lawyer's recent tales as repeated on the internet are true.

I mean, you shoot a guy at close range, if nothing else, in a scuffle where you were beaten repeatedly into the concrete, and there's NO blood from you OR even more likely the other guy, on your shirt? Really?

And yeah, this guy doesn't look anything like "too morbidly obese to chase a kid" either.
2012-03-28 10:56:05 PM
2 votes:

Dougie AXP: I Said: Fubar: Just showed my dad the video. His response?

"I don't think that's him"

Tell him it's not, it's video of the guy who forged Obama's birth certificate. We finally caught him.

That's what I plan to tell my grandfather if he says something similar.

You've missed Raw the last few weeks....foreshame!

and this video does contradict everything he said.


Simply yes. Nothing is matching up to his version. His friend speaking up for him, isn't his friend nor does he even know George. He doesn't even know if George was the person he was speaking to on the telephone, pitching a story.

Someone named George Zimmerman needs to explain his facts in a courtroom of law, without others speaking for him. Trayvon's parents deserve to hear the facts, about how their son went to the store for candy and a soda, and ended up at the morgue. George is the only person who can explain it truthfully and fully. The police usually force this hand, and a prosecuting attorney usually defends the victim and the state. I hate to admit it, but, the prosecuting attorney seems to be defending the assailant. This is not normal, nor is it right or just.
2012-03-28 10:44:47 PM
2 votes:

itazurakko: tinyarena: Any questions? Anyone? Bueller?

Well, one obvious explanation for the police report is that "bleeding" from the nose and the back of the head says nothing about the severity. He maybe has a bump on his head that bled slightly, and got a regular nosebleed, those two things indeed would clean up fast and not be noticeable.

So it's possible for this to match the police report of his condition, sure.

What it doesn't seem to match (IMHO) is all the hype version we've seen afterward in countless places all over the internet, where suddenly Zimmerman was getting his head "repeatedly bashed into the concrete" and "his nose was broken" and all the rest.


The cop said bleeding from nose and back of head. Watch the video.There is no blood on his shirt. There is no blood on his back. There is no blood. And yes, I do know blood when I see it. In fact, there is no mark on him at all. My, this is guy is so neat.
2012-03-28 10:44:38 PM
2 votes:

9beers: New thread!!!!!! Hahaha this shiat is awesome. Somebody call Florida and tell them not to bother with a grand jury because Fark has this shiat all figured out.

George Zimmerman has not been charged with a crime because there is not evidence that he committed any.

Fark makes money based on page views, right?


I understand having a severe empathy disorder can be difficult, and as such, here's a handy little rule of thumb you might want to know. It's okay to judge people in some situations. If you're alone at night, gun or not, that's a good time to judge--that guy in the hoodie who looks scary might be okay, but he might be someone dangerous, so just stay away. If you feel really threatened, call 911.

However, if when you have called 911, they tell you to do something like stay away or go home, do not stalk, chase, and assault a teen boy. And especially do not be so cowardly as to pull a gun on him, no matter what.

Just a quick tip for you.
2012-03-28 10:31:05 PM
2 votes:
img715.imageshack.us

More detail here (new window)

At about 2:15 in the call, you can hear Zimmerman step out of the car (the open door alarm goes off in the background) and mentions that Martin is running towards to the back entrance. As the dispatch told him to "let him know if he does anything else" in fact, he asked him twice. So Zimmerman steps out of the car to direct the dispatch to the exit.

At 2:30, the dispatch asks if he is following and says "we don't need you to do that", and at about 2:40 Zimmerman says "he ran" in a dismissive tone, indicating he can not see where he went down the "cut through". His breathing also normalizes as you can tell he is no longer running.

So the entire "chase" was a really a brisk walk across about 20-30 meters of lawn (for reference, the driveways are 1 car length), to get around the corner of the complex to observe Martin's escape so he could direct the 911 dispatch. The entire "he was told to stand down" was about 10 seconds long, just enough for Zimmerman to round a few feet of the corner of the complex that was obstructing his view.

Now we don't know who started the altercation, only that it happened right there and probably very shortly after the 911 call (indeed, Martin likely heard ZImmerman on the phone with the police). But there is no evidence to suggest Zimmerman attacked Martin.

In fact, all evidence appears to show he is innocent. Compared to the narrative we first heard when the story broke: Zimmerman chased and gunned down an innocent kid as he was screaming helplessly for his life. We all see Treyvon's mother crying in horror on national TV as she listened to Zimmerman screaming, thinking it was her son. Now that it's been pointed out routinely that all evidence points to Zimmerman screaming, we're led to believe Zimmerman chased and pursued Martin as that was evidence he initiated the violence. Yet this chase lasted a whole 35 seconds during a brief walk across a single patch of lawn, while Zimmerman clearly had thought Martin fled to the opposite side of the housing complex, to instruct the 911 dispatcher what Martin was doing as he was told to do.

I mean literally every. single. piece of evidence that surfaces shows Zimmerman was using self defense against Martin. All the eyewitness testimony (Cutcher's speculation and assumptions notwithstanding), all the physical evidence, likely all the forensic evidence, and the police have even more evidence that we are not privy to and the authority to prosecute has changed hands many times under federal and Florida State oversight and he has still not been charged. If I was a government employee I wouldn't want to be near this turd with a ten foot pole.
2012-03-28 10:22:39 PM
2 votes:

9beers: Mrtraveler01: But they're in no way racist...

You know dude, you're kind of dimwitted with all your racist talk. I decided to go over to Strormfront to see how real racists are reacting to this and guess what, the only thing they're concerned about is Zimmerman being labeled as white. They couldn't give a fark less that a Hispanic might be accused of killing a black. So see buddy, you're kind of a fool because white racists don't give a fark about anything other than other white people.

The real racists in this are people pulling the race card. You know, about 99% of the black population and most Farkers.


Anyone who uses the phrase "pulling the race card" is a racist. :D
2012-03-28 10:21:26 PM
2 votes:

Warthog: His nose does look broken to me, and in one of those screen shots you can see scrapes on the back of his head.


You suppose they changed his shirt to a clean one? Or that he somehow managed to get a broken nose that doesn't bleed and kept his shirt clean?
2012-03-28 10:15:14 PM
2 votes:

RealAmericanHero: I think that this situation is bullshiat. That said, a lot of stuff people are saying about Zimmerman isn't true, and even if this is murder (I believe it's manslaughter at least) if you think you can make out whether he's hurt or not from that grainy video, you're a liar. I don't give a shiat if you watched it on CNN HD. So did I, and just because it says "HD" doesn't magically make the grainy surveillance video higher resolution. You can't tell from that video and if you think you can, your mind is playing tricks on you. The guy should be tried for manslaughter but you armchair quarterbacks don't know any better than anyone else at this point for sure.


Since the point of 'Justice For Trayvon' is try Zimmerman in a court of law, I agree.
2012-03-28 10:15:12 PM
2 votes:
can anyone hold the police accountable?

What has to happen here to make the police wake up and do the right thing?

Shouldn't it just come naturally for the cops to enforce the laws that they themselves claim to have some holy reverence for?

Do some really bad things have to happen for these cops to change their ways?

And honestly, if they are going to lie about something as basic as serious injuries, can't they get their lie together better than this? Shouldn't these liars know that the cameras are right over their heads? Nothing worse than a stupid liar. if you're gonna lie, at least tell a smart lie; make me feel like you care enough to lie well. If you lie stupid I just have to assume you want to get caught.
2012-03-28 10:13:31 PM
2 votes:
For a guy who had only minutes before engaged in a violent physical altercation to the extent he was in fear of his life you'd think his shirt would at least not be tucked in.
2012-03-28 10:13:07 PM
2 votes:

TheAgeOfEgos: I don't know the facts yet (Nor does anyone really)--but I worked ER for a number of years--and typically when someone showed up, they had already been treated at scene by first responders. One, cops don't like blood in their seat, two cops don't like lawsuits about possible concussions not treated/inspect at scene and three until you know someone's guilt it's the right thing to do (treat/triage).

The cop looks at the back of his head for a moment, which could have easily been cleaned/coagulated dark by that time and not show up on this video.

Still, he certainly does not look as rough as the descriptions--so guess back to waiting for more evidence/facts.


And as a card carrying latino, I really do not show bruises that easily when first injured.

But now that my status has been upgraded to white, i expect that to change.
2012-03-28 10:11:58 PM
2 votes:

The_Six_Fingered_Man: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Trayvon Martin was murdered by George Zimmerman. Case closed.

FRY HIM! Who cares about a trial!?!!


So treat him like Trayvon Martin?
2012-03-28 10:09:22 PM
2 votes:

ElBarto79: It may well have been irresponsible for him to follow Martin but it was not illegal for him to do so


That's my point. Regardless of whether it was legal or not, Zimmerman was definitely not the innocent one either and did nothing to minimize the chance of conflict.
2012-03-28 10:09:15 PM
2 votes:
Trayvon Martin was murdered by George Zimmerman. Case closed.
2012-03-28 10:08:17 PM
2 votes:
Not a drop of blood on that white shirt.
2012-03-28 09:54:35 PM
2 votes:

CrAz3D: cameroncrazy1984: CrAz3D: grainy video that shows basically grainy grain-like grains. DEFINITELY proof of X.

Yes, you can ALMOST make out a person!


/get your eyes checked.

Can you tell his nose is broken from that video? No. Can you tell that his nose is fine? No.

This video is basically useless, save for noting that the cop inspects Z's head and also wipes his hands after touching Z's clothing.


Where's the head injury? I see you purposely avoided talking about that.
2012-03-28 09:52:42 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Dinki: Earguy: Oh boy, this could be big.

Yep. It looks more and more like a shiaty coverup by the police trying to hide the fact that they just assumed it was another dead black kid and nobody would even notice.

Uh yeah.


And they'd normally be right. In three weeks everyone will go back to ignoring the astronomical homicide rate among young poor black males. We'll go back to watching the murderous good-looking wealthy white people on Law & Order and feel like we're really doing great.
2012-03-28 09:52:42 PM
2 votes:

immrlizard: I don't see a way that this case can be settled and not have some group really miffed.


Perhaps. But who's really going to be miffed by a Zimmerman conviction? Insecure gun nuts? Media "watchdogs"? Career contrarians who live off pretending they know more than everybody else because they take the "controversial" side? The R-people who don't dare want you to call them R-people who think any black kid not at home by sundown is a thug who deserves to be gunned down?

Fark em all. Let the big man take his medicine.
2012-03-28 09:51:15 PM
2 votes:

immrlizard: I don't see a way that this case can be settled and not have some group really miffed.


At least if Zimmerman goes to prison, the miffed ones will be conservatives.

Normal people will be happy.
2012-03-28 09:51:08 PM
2 votes:

Rodeodoc: GAT_00: Plus the GOP is actually supporting Zimmerman for murdering the kid. In every way, this needs to be an issue.

You are completely full of crap. Nice troll, asshat, but there is no support for this thug except among his own little group of self appointed terrorists. Go fark yourself. The last thing this situation needs is knuckle dragging trolls like you making it a GOP/Dem issue. Fark you.


"When I opened my LA Times this morning, for example, I found Jonah Goldberg staring back at me, explaining that we shouldn't really care about Trayvon Martin because:

Martin's tragic death is a statistical outlier. More whites are killed by blacks than blacks killed by whites (or "white Hispanics"). And far, far more blacks are killed by other blacks. Indeed, if we're going to use the prism of race to analyze murder rates, then the real epidemic is that of black murderers.

Martin's tragic death is a statistical outlier. More whites are killed by blacks than blacks killed by whites (or "white Hispanics"). And far, far more blacks are killed by other blacks. Indeed, if we're going to use the prism of race to analyze murder rates, then the real epdemic is that of black murderers.


Quite so. And that, it turns out, is the conservative principle that's actually at stake here: convincing us all that traditional racism no longer really exists (just in "pockets," says Goldberg) and that it's whites who are the real racial victims in today's America. Heh indeedy."
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/03/conservative-agenda-trayvon - martin-case
2012-03-28 09:50:03 PM
2 votes:

PainInTheASP: Don't the police typically wear latex gloves when there's a danger that they will come into contact with blood and other body fluids in the course of their job? Why aren't the police wearing gloves here? They would have had time to get some and put them on before touching the suspect.


Good point. Also, why are they checking his jacket pockets after he gets out of the police car? The pat down is usually done before you lock the guy in the car so you don't get surprised with a little pistol in the back of your head.

But we've already seen that the Sanford PD are an incompetent group of white, racist neo-fascists, as is common among small town Southern states. These are the good old boys who are sure the South will rise again, even though they didn't really lose that War of Northern Aggression in the first place. I work with a couple of these fark-tards and today I had to tell them to STFU about the crap they were spouting in the office or I would fire their asses. Of course, now I'm one of those... what was the word those cops and Georgie's friends tossed about? Coon ass? Yup, I'm one of them now. And farking proud of it.
2012-03-28 09:49:20 PM
2 votes:

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Yes I think Martin was in the wrong


Yes, wearing a hoodie at night is WRONG!

/your a idiot
2012-03-28 09:49:18 PM
2 votes:
Doesn't seem to be any grass stains on his clothes either. I can believe in EMTs with healing powers +15, I'm not sure if I believe EMTs come equipped with club soda.
2012-03-28 09:44:30 PM
2 votes:

DeltaPunch: Zimmerman also had domestic violence charges back in 2006, including fighting with a policeman.
But you know, Trayvon got suspended from school once, plus he was wearing a hoodie so he clearly deserved to be shot... can we PLEASE just move on folks?!?


Oh no. You're not getting out of here that easy.

Zimmerman has no blood on him, not from shooting someone at close range, or his own. THIS IS IT, PEOPLE, THE SMOKING GUN.
2012-03-28 09:39:04 PM
2 votes:

robsul82: Pretty good EMTs who didn't even need bandages on a head wound that Zimmerman's lawyer said "nearly required stitches." However, it's pretty standard that after medical attention, a broken nose won't look farked up at all. EVERYONE knows that.


Not at all...

sportsstolemyman.com
2012-03-28 09:33:54 PM
2 votes:

Roook: Wow. Wasn't he supposed to have a broken nose also?


starting to think the dude hit himself to to claim self defense
2012-03-28 09:22:50 PM
2 votes:
he dont look too banged up in that video.


if I had to guess with my Official Fark GED in lawyerin'..



hes majorly farked.
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-03-28 08:04:26 PM
2 votes:

robsul82: I'm sorry, but the kid was suspended for marijuana.

MARIJUANA, people.


AND HE HAD A SCREWDRIVER!

Why wasn't he executed in his high school's playground!?
2012-03-28 08:02:16 PM
2 votes:
I'm sorry, but the kid was suspended for marijuana.

MARIJUANA, people.
2012-03-28 07:59:01 PM
2 votes:
You sillies, this was BEFORE the shooting. He was there for instructions.
2012-03-28 07:52:21 PM
2 votes:
Wow. Wasn't he supposed to have a broken nose also?
2012-03-28 07:44:17 PM
2 votes:
Good questions. Whar blood, whar?
2012-03-30 01:55:48 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-03-29 10:42:44 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Degenz: That's not even close to "proving" it, which was your original premise and what I replied to.

I said "basically prove". Regardless, the police can't arrest a person who claims self defense unless there's probable cause that their story isn't true. What probable cause existed at the scene?


According to the ABC News story I read, Chris Serino of the Sanford PD, the lead detective on Zimmerman's case, had enough doubts about Zimmerman's story of the events of his confrontation with Martin that he recommended an arrest. In an affidavit. The idea was nixed, according to ABC, by Seminole County prosecutor Norman Wolfinger, who was said to have believed that there was not enough evidence to prove Zimmerman guilty *beyond a reasonable doubt.* Wolfinger has since resigned "temporarily." I don't know what evidence led Detective Serino to believe that there was probable cause to arrest Zimmerman--mainly because not all, and probably not most, of the evidence in this case has been made public--but it sure seems to me as if at least someone on the scene, and in a position of responsibility, found sufficient probable cause to arrest Zimmerman, and stated so under penalty of perjury, this even though you still seem to believe that such probable cause doesn't exist.
2012-03-29 10:23:07 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Degenz: That's not even close to "proving" it, which was your original premise and what I replied to.

I said "basically prove".


If facepalms could be harnessed to provide energy your posts would be the solution to our dependence on foreign oil.
2012-03-29 09:16:54 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Zimmerman's brother is on CNN right now.


Do you have a job Flash, who spends all day for days on end on two different sites trolling?
2012-03-29 08:16:58 PM
1 votes:

Degenz: How old are you, 12?


You're an idiot.

(2)A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
2012-03-29 07:10:27 PM
1 votes:
i44.tinypic.com

Nope, no injury there at all. Link (new window)
2012-03-29 05:49:14 PM
1 votes:

9beers: George Zimmerman has not been charged with a crime because there is not evidence that he committed any.


The evidence is the dead kid. Self defense is an affirmative defense. The burden of proof is on the person claiming self defense.
2012-03-29 05:44:20 PM
1 votes:

Phinn: tirob: if an adult approaches an unaccompanied juvenile whom he doesn't know, he could get charged with disorderly conduct

A few months ago, unbeknownst to me, the people in the house next to mine moved out. Their teenage son, however, came back to the house a few days later and threw a party. Since the house was empty, and no adults were around, the party became pretty raucous. They were 15-18 year-olds.

When the party got louder and louder, and woke up our 7 year-old son at midnight, we called the police. The teenagers scattered, and many of them ran to hide behind my bushes, which meant they were lurking just outside my bedroom window.

I considered having several dozen drunk teens running through my back yard and standing outside my bedroom windows at 12:30 am to be a problem. So I went outside to investigate. I found several of them, walking around my property, climbing through my bushes, and some walking down the street and on nearby properties, evading the police on the other side of the house.

I approached them, with the intent to tell them to stay the fark away from my bedroom windows.

You are saying that, according to your inestimable legal acumen, merely by approaching these teenagers, unaccompanied as they were by an adult, I committed a crime, such that if one of them had asked me if I had a problem, then said. "You do now" and hit me, that I would have been the aggressor, and legally prevented from using force to defend myself against the attack.

If so, by what operative legal principle did you arrive at this conclusion, Mr. Justice Tirob?


you can't really be this dumb.
I don't believe you really can't see a difference between trayvon martin lawfully walking home and then being followed in a car, then chased on foot across dark streets and backyards, those and random people trespassing on your property.
no one can be this stupid.

you have an affirmative right to use reasonable force to remove trespassers. they are acting unlawfully, they don;t have the right to attack you for you using reasonable force to remove them.
trayvon had the right to use force to meet what would appear to be an imminent threat to any rational individual in the same circumstances.

please tell me you are trolling.
please tell me you aren't so stupid you can't see how and why the legal system allows a legal defense for actions in self defense for the lawful and innocent trayvons of the world and none to the random tresspassers of the world.

how can so many of you f*cks be so clueless?
2012-03-29 04:56:15 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: At no time, but any reasonable way to view it, was Tray ever in imminent danger of violence or even touch. Remember, Zimmerman was on the phone describing all this. Confrontation did not happen until Zimmerman lost him and was walking to his truck, at which time NO_LIMIT got all up in his grill.


This is part of the story I find extremely unlikely.

Stuff we know : Martin ran, Zimmerman chased him. ZImmerman tells us that on the 911 call.

Zimmerman also is unwilling to agree to a place to meet the police, saying "Have them call me when they get here, and I'll tell them where I am". That indicates that he's still looking for the kid. If he were going to go straight back to his vehicle, he could have told them he'd meet them there, or at the clubhouse, or at his house, or at the corner of X and Y streets. But he wanted them to call him. I strongly suspect he was still searching or still chasing.

Now here is where his story breaks down. Martin runs, and he chases the kid. He claims the kid got away and he was returning to his vehicle when the kid confronted him. How likely is that? Martin initially ran from him, got away, and then came back to start a fight? It seems more likely that Martin got to a deadend with Zimmerman still following him. Or that Martin hid someplace and Zimmerman found him. It seems very unlikely that he would run, and then after Zimmerman was no longer after him, would decide to come back and confront Zimmerman.

Whatever happened, however the fight started, it happened in a back yard area. That doesn't fit well with the "I had quit chasing him and was on my way back to my car".

Zimmermans story is possible, but it seems unlikely.

Your claim that Martin wasn't being threatened with violence or even touch doesn't make sense. You're claiming Zimmerman is carrying a gun, and willing to chase Martin down, but that he would be unwilling to grab Martin to keep him from running away.
2012-03-29 04:46:04 PM
1 votes:

Phinn:

However, there is no evidence, from any of the reported witness statements, that Zimmerman presented an imminent threat of harm to Martin. There may have been grounds for Martin to be suspicious, to feel nervous, and if we believe the lawyer-coached girlfriend, that Martin did in fact feel nervous. But Martin must have reasonably believed the threat to him was imminent, and there is no evidence to support that conclusion.


There is, however, evidence that Zimmerman is an adult and that Martin was a juvenile. I don't know how things are where you are, but around here, if an adult approaches an unaccompanied juvenile whom he doesn't know, he could get charged with disorderly conduct, especially if it is after sunset and if that adult is carrying a pistol. If Zimmerman was *already* committing a misdemeanor by the time he got within striking distance of Martin, Martin could have reasonably believed that he was imminent danger of a serious threat to himself.
2012-03-29 04:41:35 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Simple fact is, if Tray did not attack Zimmerman, Tray is still alive and I get more done at work too. Zimmerman was unwise. Tray was worse, and he died for it.


I disagree with your basic premise. If someone is following you at night, and you try to run away from them, and they continue to follow you, it's reasonable for you to assume that they are up to no good and that they mean you harm. "Let the mugger hit you first before you are allowed to do anything" doesn't make any sense.

You are also making an assertion that Martin started the physical fight. That may or may not not be true. He may have been trying to run and Zimmerman, who was chasing him with a self proclaimed "These assholes always get away, and I"m not letting this one get away" attitude may have grabbed him in an attempt to keep him from escaping. If that happened, then ZImmerman made the first physical contact.

We know that Martin tried to avoid the conflict in the first place by running, and we know that Zimmerman followed him. Zimmermans 911 call makes that clear.

We don't know either way which one initiated physical contact after that.

Personally, I don't care because I don't think Zimmerman should have been chasing after the kid anyway, and I think you have a right to defend yourself against maniacs that chase you at night.

Claiming that Martin initiated physical contact (and pretending that's an actual fact) ignores that the only evidence of that is a claim by the shooter, who obviously has a lot riding on it. If he says "Yes, I tacked the kid, then he started punching me", he knows he'll be in more trouble. Just because a suspect says "I didn't do it" doesn't mean we should always believe them.
2012-03-29 04:30:24 PM
1 votes:
i have not read the comments of everyone here. i am sure i am not the only incensed by the atrocity. i am also perturbed by the casual manner the tape shows the officers handling an alleged murderer.
The officers are clearly handling a man they feel has not done anything wrong. Watch how he walks into the station on his own? Don't let the cuffs fool you. The officers look very comfortable with what he did.


/i've seen harsher treatment over far less at the hands of officers.
//Hell. We're Farkers. We all have!
//Down with whitey?
2012-03-29 04:16:02 PM
1 votes:
ChuDogg:

Just to help you keep the call comments in the right order:

19:09:34 Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department, line is being recorded. This is Sean.

19:09:38 Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.

19:09:51
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

19:09:59
Dispatcher: Okay, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

19:10:01
Zimmerman: He looks black.

19:10:03
Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?

19:10:05
Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes.

19:10:14
Zimmerman: He's here now and he's just staring...

19:10:17
Dispatcher: Oh, he's just walking around the area...

19:10:17
Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

19:10:19
Dispatcher: Ah, 'kay...

19:10:20
Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.

19:10:22
Dispatcher: Okay-you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?

19:10:25
Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse...

19:10:27
Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the-he's near the clubhouse right now?

19:10:31
Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.

19:10:33
Dispatcher: Okay.

19:10:37
Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband.

19:10:42
Zimmerman: And he's a black male.

19:10:43
Dispatcher: Okay. How old would you say he looks?

19:10:45
Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt..

19:10:46
Zimmerman: ..late teens.

19:10:47
Dispatcher: Late teens, okay.

19:10:48
Zimmerman: Mmhuh.

19:10:51
Zimmerman: Something's wrong with him.

19:10:55
Zimmerman: Ayup, he's coming to check me out.

19:10:58
Zimmerman: He's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.

19:11:01
Dispatcher: Okay, just let me know if he does anything okay...

19:11:02
Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

19:11:03
Dispatcher: Yeah, we've got 'em on the way - just let me know if this guy does anything else.

19:11:08
Zimmerman: Okay.

19:11:11
Zimmerman: Ugh - these assholes, they always get away.

19:11:17
Zimmerman: Yep.

19:11:19
Zimmerman: When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in...and make a left.

19:11:25
Zimmerman: Actually. You would go past the clubhouse.

19:11:28
Dispatcher: Ah. You say it's on the left hand side from the clubhouse?

19:11:32
Zimmerman: Naaah...you go in straight through the entrance...and then you make a left...uh...yea, you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left-

19:11:40
Zimmerman: - ah shiat.

19:11:41
Zimmerman: He's running.

19:11:42
Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

19:11:44

[sound of vehicle door opening]

19:11:45
Zimmerman: Down towards the, uh, other entrance to the neighborhood.

19:11:48
Dispatcher: Okay, which entrance is that that he's heading towards?

19:11:50
Zimmerman: The back entrance...

19:11:54
Zimmerman: farking [unintelligible]

19:11:56
Dispatcher: Are you following him?

19:11:58
Zimmerman: Yeah

19:11:59
Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.

19:12:02
Zimmerman: Ok

 

[muffled noises - wind? heavy breathing?]

19:12:08
Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?

19:12:10
Zimmerman: George

19:12:11
Zimmerman: He ran.  [muffled - breathless?]

19:12:14
Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name?

19:12:17
Zimmerman: [two slapping/tapping noises] Zimmerman

19:12:18
Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from?

19:12:19

[more slapping/flapping noises]

19:12:21
Zimmerman: 407-***-****[redacted]

19:12:26
Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?

19:12:30
Zimmerman: Yeah.

19:12:31
Dispatcher: Alright, where you going to meet with them at?

19:12:34
Zimmerman: Um, if they come in through the uh, gate -- tell them to go straight past the club house, [more slapping/flapping noises] and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, they'll see my truck...[unintelligible]

19:12:53
Dispatcher: Okay. What address are you parked in front of?

19:12:55
Zimmerman: Um. I don't know, it's a cut through so I don't know the address.

19:13:00
Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area?

19:13:01
Zimmerman: Yeah, yeah...I live...[unintelligible]

19:13:02
Dispatcher: What's your apartment number?

19:13:06
Zimmerman: It's a home it's 1950 [more slapping/flapping noises]

19:13:09
Zimmerman:  Aw crap. I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is.

LCM>>>This is over a minute after he acknowledged the dispatcher's "we don't need you to do that" which should have given him plenty of time to retrace the steps that took him about 15 seconds away from his truck. The same truck that was parked on the street -- well away from somewhere the kid might be hiding close enough to overhear him give out his address on the phone. I'd say he was still looking for the kid.

19:13:12
Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then?

19:13:16
Zimmerman: Yeah that's fine. [more faint slapping/flapping noises]

19:13:20
Dispatcher: Alright George, I'll let them know to meet you [unintelligible] there okay?

19:13:21
Zimmerman: Actually could you...could you have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at?

LCM>>>>In fact, he doesn't even want to give up to meet the cops where the dispatcher suggests.

19:13:25
Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that's no problem.

19:13:27
Zimmerman: You need my number or you got it?

19:13:28
Dispatcher: Yeah I got it. 407-***-**** [redacted]?

19:13:29
Zimmerman: Yeah you got it.

19:13:33
Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I'll let them know to call you when you're in the area.

19:13:36
Zimmerman: Thanks.

19:13:37
Dispatcher: You're welcome.

2012-03-29 04:00:34 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Dog Welder: dittybopper: Dog Welder: 2) Carrying a gun. There was another article on Fark (last week) regarding the neighborhood watch, and the company that the community brought in to discuss how to set up a neighborhood watch said: "Rule #1: no weapons while on patrol."

Zimmerman wasn't "on patrol" as part of some neighborhood watch. According to his story, he was on his way to buy groceries when he noticed Martin.

Once he made the call and identified himself as part of the neighborhood watch, he should have been following the rule of no guns.

The simple fact is: if George Zimmerman listens to the advice of the dispatcher, Martin is still alive and Zimmerman's life isn't turned into a massive world of shiat.

Also, I'd probably be getting more stuff done at work.

Simple fact is, if Tray did not attack Zimmerman, Tray is still alive and I get more done at work too. Zimmerman was unwise. Tray was worse, and he died for it.


And I'm sure you have access to security camera footage of Martin attacking Zimmerman first.

Oh, and Rule #2 of the Neighborhood Watch program is "Do not follow or confront a suspicious person."

Zimmerman failed pretty hard at both of those rules, even after being reminded of the second by the police dispatcher. At the very least, he's an idiot; at the worst he's a murderer.
2012-03-29 03:42:33 PM
1 votes:

Dog Welder: dittybopper: Dog Welder: 2) Carrying a gun. There was another article on Fark (last week) regarding the neighborhood watch, and the company that the community brought in to discuss how to set up a neighborhood watch said: "Rule #1: no weapons while on patrol."

Zimmerman wasn't "on patrol" as part of some neighborhood watch. According to his story, he was on his way to buy groceries when he noticed Martin.

Once he made the call and identified himself as part of the neighborhood watch, he should have been following the rule of no guns.

The simple fact is: if George Zimmerman listens to the advice of the dispatcher, Martin is still alive and Zimmerman's life isn't turned into a massive world of shiat.

Also, I'd probably be getting more stuff done at work.


Simple fact is, if Tray did not attack Zimmerman, Tray is still alive and I get more done at work too. Zimmerman was unwise. Tray was worse, and he died for it.

I have been followed in a creepy way before. Bank Street in Burlington, VT, 20 years ago. Older dude kept driving slowly by me and pulling over. Watching me. I had no idea what he was doing. I went to ask him what the hell was going on (who the F are you I believe were my words) and he goes speeding off to the police station at the end of the Street. Cop and him come back, guy said he thought was I was going to beat him up for "being gay". Cop laughed, said "he is just out cruising for a piece of ass" and that was the end of it. Guess I am really handsome. And I guess that is how gay dudes pick people up, creepy. He looked to me like Ted Bundy.

Point is, did the guy do anything criminal? No. If I yanked him out of the car and beat his ass, what do you think the police and public would have thought? I would be guilty of a hate crime and thrown in the pokey. I felt a little nervous because I did not know who he was. Did I feel in fear of my life? No. I could have easily ran. Does the act of following me mean the guy is fair game for an ass beating? No. Law says no.
2012-03-29 03:08:51 PM
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Even better, Martin was less than 500' from "home". Why stay on the line with his girlfriend if he was really in fear? If you were that close to home and in fear of being followed, wouldn't you have been calling home to get one of your parents to come meet you? Or why not stop at a neighbor's house, knock on the door, and ask them to call police as soon as they answer your knock? This gives you a witness, summons help, and most importantly, stops you from being alone. Martin did none of these things. Why didn't he want a witness?


I don't think anyone's accusing Martin of being smart.

Also, people do dumb things when they get nervous and/or panic.

The only conclusion I've come to in this matter so far is that Zimmerman's story seems to have some holes in it. But, we also don't have all the evidence.

Things Zimmerman did wrong:

1) Leave his vehicle. This is especially relevant since the dispatcher asked him not to follow Martin. (Not an order, I realize, but not listening to the dispatcher is pants-on-head stupid.)

2) Carrying a gun. There was another article on Fark (last week) regarding the neighborhood watch, and the company that the community brought in to discuss how to set up a neighborhood watch said: "Rule #1: no weapons while on patrol."

I would be willing to bet that Zimmerman perpetrated #1 above because he was perpetrating #2 above. He felt safe with a potential confrontation because he was armed, and that is just asking for trouble in any scenario (especially if the guy he's following is armed with something a bit heavier than a bag of Skittles).

Whether he's guilty or not at this point, his life is pretty well farked.
2012-03-29 02:42:27 PM
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: I keep hearing Martin described as being "in fear of being attacked." What person in fear of attack, deliberately goes into a more secluded, less well-lit area? That is not the behavior of a victim; it is the behavior of an attacker.


Ever heard of the term "hiding"? You're reaching on that one.

As for my definition of a "vigilante", I would have to say that a vigilante is someone who appoints their self Judge, Jury and Punisher. (I would say "Executioner", but not all punishments result in death.)
A vigilante metes out punishment outside the rule of law.

So, like I said, for Zimmerman to be a "vigilante", Martin had to be a "criminal". As Zimmerman his self stated that Martin was only a "suspect", what did Martin do to cross the line?
I guess it would only matter if Zimmerman felt he was a criminal or part of a criminal crowd. The crowd that "always gets away with it" type of crowd. You know the ones.
2012-03-29 02:03:53 PM
1 votes:

relcec: Thunderpipes: relcec: 9beers: relcec: if trayvon attacked first, what he did was reasonable under normal self defense theory because he reasonably feared an attack by zimmer.

Good point, now can you prove it?

sure, reasonable people assume strangers have bad intentions when they chase them to around their neighborhood at night for no reason at all with guns.

Really grasping. Hehe. By chase you mean follow, and by with a gun, you mean no gun. Its not like Zimmerman was running at Tray with a gun aimed at him.

According to liberals, if I drop a dollar on the ground, and someone picks it up and follows me to give it back, I can kick their ass. Nice.

I'm not liberal, kid.
stalk someone at night, in a car, then get out and chase them down for no reason and you should damn well expect a fight, because reasonable people will expect you mean to do them harm in those circumstances. everytime.


The law completely disagrees with you. This is fact. I like the word choices too. "Stalk", "chase them down". Nice.

The law says that if some random person starts following me anywhere, I have no special rights whatsoever unless they actually attack me. They can even yell at me, call me names, I still cannot attack them. Tray's duty (as you guys keep saying Zimmermans' was once attacked) was to ignore him, talk to him, or simply leave. He attacked. He died. Oops. No reasonable person (and no jury) would ever think silently following someone briefly constituted a threat of bodily harm. Tray was a thug. He wanted to be all gangsta like Twopack and Biggie Fats. He did it wrong.
2012-03-29 01:58:56 PM
1 votes:
dittybopper:

So what if it was Martin who was armed? Then we'd only have Martin's side of the story.

A man is stalking him for no reason, then gets out of his car and starts to fight him - so he shot him in self-defence.

This looks like a GOOD reason to be carrying in Florida - so that you are the one who's left alive to give the explanation.
2012-03-29 01:52:39 PM
1 votes:

someonelse: dittybopper: someonelse: Dunno if this has been asked yet because this thread is bigger than my car, but shouldn't the police have actual ... you know, quality photos of the injuries Zimmerman allegedly sustained when his nose was broken and his head was slammed into the sidewalk repeatedly?

They may well have them, but haven't released them. I don't think they officially released this video.

There is no doubt a metric farkton of evidence that hasn't been released. Until it all gets released, all we are doing is jumping to vast conclusions on half-vast data.

Given the increasingly tense situation down there (and the possible threat to public safety) wouldn't the police have at least told the public that they have unambiguous photographic evidence of Zimmerman's injuries that match his story about having his head slammed into the pavement and his nose broken? For that matter, wouldn't the Sanford Chief of Police have brought any such pictures to the attention of the community before he was given a vote of no confidence?


And queer the entire investigation? Not likely, *ESPECIALLY* when they are under such a microscope. They are going to be making sure all the i's are dotted and t's crossed before they do *ANYTHING*, if for no other reason than to protect their jobs.
2012-03-29 01:49:49 PM
1 votes:

relcec: 9beers: relcec: if trayvon attacked first, what he did was reasonable under normal self defense theory because he reasonably feared an attack by zimmer.

Good point, now can you prove it?

sure, reasonable people assume strangers have bad intentions when they chase them to around their neighborhood at night for no reason at all with guns.


Really grasping. Hehe. By chase you mean follow, and by with a gun, you mean no gun. Its not like Zimmerman was running at Tray with a gun aimed at him.

According to liberals, if I drop a dollar on the ground, and someone picks it up and follows me to give it back, I can kick their ass. Nice.
2012-03-29 01:39:20 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: still don't get why I'm supposed to be afraid of this unarmed kid.


Who said that you should be afraid of an unarmed kid? I know that I wouldn't be afraid of a 6 foot tall, 17 year old kid walking down the street. Now if that kid sucker punched me in the face, I'm pretty sure I'd have a reason to be fearful.
2012-03-29 01:35:05 PM
1 votes:

theMightyRegeya: Hey, that is the impression the public has. Maybe the department should have a press conference instead of clamming up...


The department issued two press releases updating the public on the status of the investigation and another responding to ABC's report of a narcotics investigation being used to question witnesses. The police department was doing what they should have done, nobody was paying attention.

If you're implying that they should hold a press conference laying out all of the evidence they've collected, well that just doesn't happen.
2012-03-29 01:27:02 PM
1 votes:

relcec: if trayvon attacked first, what he did was reasonable under normal self defense theory because he reasonably feared an attack by zimmer.


Good point, now can you prove it?
2012-03-29 01:21:45 PM
1 votes:

itazurakko: rewind2846: So the cops LET HIM GO HOME, change out of a possibly BLOODY SHIRT and DIRT/GRASS STAINED shoes, jacket and pants, let him WASH HIMSELF, then handcuffed him and took him down to the police station.

Leaving all the evidence of his "struggle" at home or in their possession.

Without a single picture being taken (if there were pictures the cops would have released them by now, if for no other reason than to save their own asses - it's been a month) of either his "injuries" or the alleged blood and grass stained clothing.

Right.

Don't dislocate your shoulder reaching for that conclusion, dude.
/Occam's razor

Indeed the lack of pics is questionable. Considering that the police are digging so deep as to find out Trayvon Martin's school disciplinary records, you'd think they'd be MORE than happy to leak some bloody nose or (better yet) bloody shirt pics, because it would only help their case.

Confabulat: I assume you're too pure to have ever been arrested, but they don't let you clean up first. You might get a bandage or if you don't have a shirt they'll give you some paper thing.

This too. Even more than blood on his face, I'd expect some blood on the front of his shirt (at least from the dead kid, if not also from his own injuries).

And the new version of backpedaling along the lines of "he was only hit once though" and "well, blood splashback from a shot with that gun won't really happen more than 2 or 3 feet" are not helping Zimmerman's case either, because that would mean he shot an unarmed person who was more than 2 or 3 feet away and only had hit him once? That's even worse.


Police and the DA probably have a lot more experience, and a lot more actual insight into this case than an armchair Black Panther such as yourself. I mean, you can go ll CSI on em from a grainy video, sure. I can to. Tray actually had an M-60 machine gun in a fortified position and was screaming "free Malcolm X!" but was such a lousy shot that he had to attack Zimmerman with fists. Anyone can play at this ridiculous make shiat up game. There is no blood because Tray was made of milk chocolate and Skittles.

The amount of crap you guys have actually just made up is pretty astounding. Oh, now the police have been releasing Tray's FB pics? Citation?
2012-03-29 01:14:21 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Confabulat: That's an old scar. That's not a scar that happened in the last few hours. You don't have to be an M.D. to figure this out.

An old scar would show up as lighter, not darker, because no hair would grow there.

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Note the scars look lighter, not darker, than the surrounding scalp.

Sorry, it looks to me like Zimmerman has a fresh, but minor, wound to the back of his head.


Not really looking to argue it, but if you have almost no hair, that is what it will look like. If you have like a 4 or 5 cut, the hairs will grow at an angle determined by the way the scar healed and it _may_ actually appear darker because the hair is leaning over the scar line on both sides. My brother keeps his head like the dude in your picture. If he lets it grow "long" (about 1/2 inch), it grows weird around the scar and seems to shield it and it looks much darker than his head and remaining hair.
2012-03-29 12:42:47 PM
1 votes:
Hey, I'm at least glad I don't sit around all night defending the murder of an unarmed teenager.

I mean, at least I won that in life.
2012-03-29 12:32:07 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Confabulat: Don't buy it. Heads bleed like crazy. You get cut on your head, you're going to see it for at least a day.

Dude, I've been there, done that, several times, one time that actually needed stitches. I've got the scars to prove it.

Head wounds are bloody, yes, but a relatively minor one will stop reasonably quickly with some pressure. The police report was from 19:17. We can assume Zimmerman was treated fairly quickly after the police and fire department arrived. Unfortunately, there isn't a time-stamp on those videos, so we don't know how long Zimmerman was sitting in the back of that car while the police investigated at the scene. Could have been a half an hour, maybe even more. Plenty of time for a relatively minor gash to the head to stop bleeding.

More telling, though, is if that mark on the back of his head in the video was an old scar, it would be lighter than the surrounding area because there wouldn't be any hair on it. It wouldn't be darker. I've got areas on my head that are scar tissue, and no hair grows there. It's noticeably lighter a few days after I've shaven my head.

Note also, a police officer actually looks at it in the video.

It's not a massive head wound, by any means, but it's not inconsistent with the police reports that he was bleeding at the back of the head when they arrived.


Well who (allegedly) stitched up his head then? I sure don't see any new stitches.

That's an old scar. You can complain it's too dark for your liking, but that's silly man talk. That's an old scar.
2012-03-29 12:25:56 PM
1 votes:
i pick dittybopper :)

even if he was hit by that kid...
didn't he ask for it?

you've obviously been in some scrapes.. don't you think this was cowardly murder?
2012-03-29 12:17:23 PM
1 votes:

ox45tallboy: The kid had every right to defend himself under the "stand your ground" law in Florida. He was not obligated to make nice and do what the scary Hispanic guy wanted. He was not obligated to even talk to the guy, since the scary hispanic guy was acting threateningly and unreasonable first.


Are you sure you don't want to crawl back under your nice, warm comfortable, secure rock? If you're new to a neighborhood, the long term residents of that neighborhood have every reason and justification in watching you, following you, and (gasp!) even talking to each other and sharing information about you, no matter what your color or ethnicity. If you feel threatened by your neighbor(s) taking their security seriously and keeping an eye on the "new guy", that speaks volumes as to your intentions. Where exactly is the unreasonableness in that? Why, in your reaction, of course.
2012-03-29 12:15:56 PM
1 votes:
That's an old scar. That's not a scar that happened in the last few hours. You don't have to be an M.D. to figure this out.
2012-03-29 12:13:01 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Confabulat: Purdue_Pete: So.... we still don't know. This "could" be a pretty nasty gash. It's also a crappy grainy, low-res security cam, so this won't even hold up in court. It proves nothing. However, if this was just a couple of weeks ago - there's still a scar, right?

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No way would that not be bleeding or bright red if it even happened in the last several hours. That's old school scarring.

Depends on how deep it is.

I once got whacked in the forehead with a billy-club, and that required 13 stitches to close it. It was still bleeding an hour after the hit, but not profusely. You can still see the scar.

On the other hand, I've also had relatively minor gashes to the head that stopped bleeding fairly quickly after some pressure. Remember, ZImmerman was treated by the Sanford Fire Department: "Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and given first aid by the SFD". The video isn't inconsistent with the police report of him bleeding from the nose and the back of the head.

If it was 'old school scarring', though, it would be *LIGHTER* in color, because the hair wouldn't grow there. Even though he doesn't have a lot of hair, he has some, and hair doesn't grow on scar tissue. It wouldn't be *DARKER* than the surrounding hair/scalp.


Don't buy it. Heads bleed like crazy. You get cut on your head, you're going to see it for at least a day.
2012-03-29 11:49:43 AM
1 votes:

Purdue_Pete: So.... we still don't know. This "could" be a pretty nasty gash. It's also a crappy grainy, low-res security cam, so this won't even hold up in court. It proves nothing. However, if this was just a couple of weeks ago - there's still a scar, right?

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No way would that not be bleeding or bright red if it even happened in the last several hours. That's old school scarring.
2012-03-29 11:41:11 AM
1 votes:
Dunno if this has been asked yet because this thread is bigger than my car, but shouldn't the police have actual ... you know, quality photos of the injuries Zimmerman allegedly sustained when his nose was broken and his head was slammed into the sidewalk repeatedly?
2012-03-29 11:41:07 AM
1 votes:
At this point, the only reason I click on these threads is for the seal pics.

Now back to your previously scheduled WHARRGARBL.
2012-03-29 11:13:32 AM
1 votes:
I don't care if his nose was disconnected from his body. I can't tell, and I don't care.

He stalked and menaced a guy for no legitimate reason, acting like some authority figure - which he wasn't.

He acted like a tough guy, and then took a life when someone defended themselves from an obvious menace.

Unless that young man's finger prints are on his gun, he should be charged with murder.
2012-03-29 10:42:05 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: WHY THE FARK DO WE TRUST THE MEDIA?


Same reason we trust the rich. "We want to be rich."
With the media, it comes down to "We want to be famous".
2012-03-29 10:35:54 AM
1 votes:
"The Blaze" says a cop brushed something off Zimmerman - something that could be blood.

I have gotten blood on my clothes before, and brushing it off doesn't work - even after it dries.
2012-03-29 10:21:39 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Every single one of those things would have applied in this case


Just because you're detained does not mean you're under arrest.

Even if you're placed in handcuffs.

For example, if ox45tallboy didn't like what happened to him, he couldn't sue for false arrest...at least not according to the facts he provided.

Until you are formally informed that you're under arrest, you are not under arrest. You can actually demand to be released, you can demand the handcuffs be removed...at which point the police have a choice to make: they have to arrest you or let you go or break the law. Without arrest, the police can detain you only briefly. And, they have to have a damn good reason for doing so.
2012-03-29 10:08:49 AM
1 votes:
Police leaked Zimmerman's version of the Feb. 26 shooting in Sanford, Fla., saying Zimmerman fired only after the 17-year-old decked him with a single punch, repeatedly smashed his head on the ground and tried to grab his gun.


Police say Zimmerman told them he shot Martin on Feb. 26 in self-defense after the 6-foot high school junior punched him, got on top of him and began banging his head into a sidewalk.


*watches video*

One of these things isn't quite the same...
2012-03-29 10:03:18 AM
1 votes:
That head was supposedly slammed into the sidewalk? Fine police work.
2012-03-29 09:55:01 AM
1 votes:

gblive: YouTube version of the video without the big ABC banner (new window)

Then, Robert Zimmerman claims, Martin punched George Zimmerman in the face, breaking his nose and knocking him to the ground.

"Trayvon Martin got on top of him, and just started beating him," Robert Zimmerman claims. "In his face, on his nose, hitting his face on the concrete."

"After nearly a minute of being beaten, George was trying to get his head off the concrete, trying to move with Trayvon on him, in the grass."


Link (new window)

I can only assume that he went to the hospital before they took him to the station and they fixed his broken nose with no bandages or anything. Considering how much you bleed from a busted nose and a face that's been beaten into concrete, it's incredible how well they cleaned him up. Hell, they even washed his clothes. Plus he looks MUCH more like a badass than he did in that old mugshot OR in the newer suit and tie one.

Seriously, the Florida health care system is INCREDIBLE.
2012-03-29 09:46:33 AM
1 votes:

rufus-t-firefly: I love how they use that scrawny picture - kind of defeats the "Zimmerman was overpowered and in imminent danger" argument. That bird-chested kid ain't kicking anyone's ass.


it also shows that Zimmerman wasn't some fat Jabba comically running after Martin while the opening theme to What's Happenin' plays in the background.

Frankly, the video shows him to be in rather good shape. Athlete or not, I find it LESS likely to believe that Zimmerman couldn't counter some of the moves on a 140 pound kid.
2012-03-29 09:41:01 AM
1 votes:

balloot: Mrtraveler01: 9beers: Mrtraveler01: But they're in no way racist...

You know dude, you're kind of dimwitted with all your racist talk. I decided to go over to Strormfront to see how real racists are reacting to this and guess what, the only thing they're concerned about is Zimmerman being labeled as white. They couldn't give a fark less that a Hispanic might be accused of killing a black. So see buddy, you're kind of a fool because white racists don't give a fark about anything other than other white people.

The real racists in this are people pulling the race card. You know, about 99% of the black population and most Farkers.

So these aren't racist?

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The black kid giving the finger is not Trayvon Martin. But WTF, all black teenagers are scary and look the same, amirite?

The question I have to ask is why do conservatives want to protect the murderer of a black kid so badly that they'll stoop to flat out lies in order to sully the reputation of a dead teenage boy? Seriously - people like 9beers and this MrTraveler guy are just horrible, awful, disgusting people.


You're preaching to the choir. I know that wasn't even Martin. But that didn't stop the folks who made those pics from saying it was them.

And let me iterate: I DO NOT CONDONE ANY OF THOSE PICS!!!

So don't lump me in with 9Beers.
2012-03-29 09:23:54 AM
1 votes:
WHAT AN INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT.

I wonder what our legal expert on self-defense has to say...

Ctrl-F for "scerpes"

DavidVincent DavidVincent DavidVincent

This incident killed Trayvon and an alt. May the former Rest in Peace.
2012-03-29 09:14:39 AM
1 votes:

Phinn: BREAKING NEWS!!! MUST CREDIT PHINN!!!

The police found another photo of Zimmerman. This one was taken the next day, as he went to his office. It clearly proves he had no remorse whatsoever for shooting Stuyvon. Farking racist!

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i.imgur.com
2012-03-29 09:10:10 AM
1 votes:

eraser8: Thunderpipes: What did Tray do?

You haven't the slightest idea what "Tray" did.


Zimmerman's statement and eye witness accounts of at least the middle of the fight, which is 100% more than you liberal morons know about your conspiracy theory.

Also sounds like nobody here has ever been in a single fight. Can easily bust somebody's nose and not have a single mark on your knuckles. You have to hit teeth, or hit a persons skull extremely hard to hurt your knuckles. They are very strong. But you all knew that. Also not sure what injuries you are going to sustain bashing a person's head against concrete, nothing unless you hit your own hands on the concrete or once again, hit the teeth.

Zimmerman will walk, as he should. Riots will erupt, a whole lot of innocent people will get stuff stolen, and you guys can revel in it like Davey Hogan. Chow down, lardasses!
2012-03-29 09:07:16 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: ox45tallboy: Thunderpipes: Maybe you were handcuffed because you are an idiot?

Know how I know you're trolling? If you were serious, you wouldn't have stooped to personal insult.

Police saw blood from nose and head, EMTs treated him at the scene. I and others see what appears to be injuries in the video, but of course liberals don't. So you guys are saying all the cops, the EMTs, everyone is just making stuff up. So beautiful. Zimmerman was arrested and questioned, yet you claim he was not. No evidence to suspect wrong doing, but you know he is guilty of hate crimes. You morons are a riot. Riot!

What would you do if you're walking down the street and some guy starts chasing you? I don't care if the kid beat the living shiat out this guy six ways from Sunday, he still didn't deserve to get shot.

The law says he does. Because he was not "chased" like a dog, he was followed. That is not against the law in any way. The law also says you don't have the right to savagely beat someone while telling them they are going to die because someone followed you briefly. Since he did that, he absolutely deserved to be shot. This is what the law says, and common sense says. But this is Fark, in your eyes, NO_LIMIT_nubian can beat people as much as he wants while threatening their life, because he had Skittles.

Racist, dumb, and bad-dumb all at once, Congratulations.

What would I have done? I would have asked the person why he was following me. What did Tray do? "you got a problem"? "No" says Zimmerman, "now you do" and punch him in the face and start savagely beating him. Ya, sounds like an upstanding young man.


i.imgur.com
2012-03-29 09:03:35 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: What did Tray do?


You haven't the slightest idea what "Tray" did.
2012-03-29 09:01:53 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: What would I have done? I would have asked the person why he was following me. What did Tray do? "you got a problem"? "No" says Zimmerman, "now you do" and punch him in the face and start savagely beating him. Ya, sounds like an upstanding young man.


A beating so savage that Zimmerman declined an ambulance and didn't require stitches. The beating was so severe that the kid's corpse didn't even have bruises or any marks indicative of fighting on his hands. Hmm.
2012-03-29 08:59:08 AM
1 votes:

ox45tallboy: Thunderpipes: Maybe you were handcuffed because you are an idiot?

Know how I know you're trolling? If you were serious, you wouldn't have stooped to personal insult.

Police saw blood from nose and head, EMTs treated him at the scene. I and others see what appears to be injuries in the video, but of course liberals don't. So you guys are saying all the cops, the EMTs, everyone is just making stuff up. So beautiful. Zimmerman was arrested and questioned, yet you claim he was not. No evidence to suspect wrong doing, but you know he is guilty of hate crimes. You morons are a riot. Riot!

What would you do if you're walking down the street and some guy starts chasing you? I don't care if the kid beat the living shiat out this guy six ways from Sunday, he still didn't deserve to get shot.


The law says he does. Because he was not "chased" like a dog, he was followed. That is not against the law in any way. The law also says you don't have the right to savagely beat someone while telling them they are going to die because someone followed you briefly. Since he did that, he absolutely deserved to be shot. This is what the law says, and common sense says. But this is Fark, in your eyes, NO_LIMIT_nubian can beat people as much as he wants while threatening their life, because he had Skittles.

Racist, dumb, and bad-dumb all at once, Congratulations.

What would I have done? I would have asked the person why he was following me. What did Tray do? "you got a problem"? "No" says Zimmerman, "now you do" and punch him in the face and start savagely beating him. Ya, sounds like an upstanding young man.
2012-03-29 08:50:49 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-03-29 08:50:32 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Maybe you were handcuffed because you are an idiot?


Know how I know you're trolling? If you were serious, you wouldn't have stooped to personal insult.

Police saw blood from nose and head, EMTs treated him at the scene. I and others see what appears to be injuries in the video, but of course liberals don't. So you guys are saying all the cops, the EMTs, everyone is just making stuff up. So beautiful. Zimmerman was arrested and questioned, yet you claim he was not. No evidence to suspect wrong doing, but you know he is guilty of hate crimes. You morons are a riot. Riot!

What would you do if you're walking down the street and some guy starts chasing you? I don't care if the kid beat the living shiat out this guy six ways from Sunday, he still didn't deserve to get shot.
2012-03-29 08:47:33 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: You weren't free to leave while you were in handcuffs, therefore you were under arrest.


Arrest is more than simply being in the custody of an LEO. There are four general elements that must be present for any detention to be considered arrest. If any of those four elements is missing, the detention isn't arrest.
2012-03-29 08:33:01 AM
1 votes:

ox45tallboy: HAMMERTOE: At least the whole "Why wasn't he even ARRESTED?" schtick has been laid to rest.

He wasn't arrested. He voluntarily went down to the station for questioning, but he wasn't booked.


So why was he wearing handcuffs?
2012-03-29 08:31:45 AM
1 votes:

ensign_noname: Orchastrated RAGE.

If you say so.

ensign_noname: Why do you think the media purposely uses 3 year old pictures of Martin instead of the ones with him all tatted up with gold teeth?

Why did other media post pictures off of someone else's facebook account? Even if he was gold-toothed up, droppin' trou and flashing gang signs, what bearing does that have on this case? He was either murdered or he wasn't.

ensign_noname: Why did the familys lawyer seal his school records?

Probably didn't seal them fast enough, given it's already out he was suspended three or four times. Not that that has any bearing on whether or not he had been murdered.

ensign_noname: Why did the family delete his twitter account?

Same reason I'd clear my browser cache before calling 911 if I had a heart attack. I ain't up to anything shady, but I don't want people rooting around in there.

ensign_noname: This story is so fake and orchestrated Im to the point that I really dont care who is telling the truth anymore, you guys can sit around for Casey Anthony 2.0 if you like - im done.

Later.
2012-03-29 08:31:45 AM
1 votes:

ericroane: if you don't think you're under arrest when you're handcuffed, put in the back of a police car and taken to the station, then you're not actually thinking. Was he charged?...no, arrested, definitely!


Now you're just being facetious. Please define "under arrest."

If you are arrested, YOU ARE BOOKED. You get your picture taken and fingerprints done. This didn't happen.

You can be taken in for questioning and held for up to 24 hours without being arrested. In this case, the report says that he "voluntarily" went in for questioning.

No booking photo, no fingerprints, no arrest. ASK ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSON.
2012-03-29 08:25:50 AM
1 votes:
www.nasa.gov

Don't worry, everyone... I'm working on a second batch now.
2012-03-29 08:22:53 AM
1 votes:

ensign_noname: Why do you think the media purposely uses 3 year old pictures of Martin instead of the ones with him all tatted up with gold teeth?


Why do you think that makes a difference?
2012-03-29 08:17:55 AM
1 votes:

ensign_noname: This story is so fake and orchestrated Im to the point that I really dont care who is telling the truth anymore, you guys can sit around for Casey Anthony 2.0 if you like - im done.


Okay, I'm willing to bet that Zimmerman's lawyer would LOVE to hear some kind of theory that fits the evidence and absolves his client of wrongdoing in the matter.

So let's hear it.
2012-03-29 08:08:50 AM
1 votes:
At least the whole "Why wasn't he even ARRESTED?" schtick has been laid to rest.
2012-03-29 08:03:41 AM
1 votes:

rico567: Whatever the actual facts may be, the state's attorney in FL has stated they don't have evidence to support arrest or conviction.


The governor of Florida was Chairman and CEO of HCA. In late 2002, HCA agreed to pay the U.S. government $631 million, plus interest, and pay $17.5 million to state Medicaid agencies, in addition to $250 million paid up to that point to resolve outstanding Medicare expense claims. In all, civil law suits cost HCA more than $2 billion to settle, by far the largest fraud settlement in US history.

He wasn't arrested either.
2012-03-29 08:01:22 AM
1 votes:

Cpl.D: stebain: Clearly, it is possible that Zimmerman was cleaned up enough to look that decent in the video. it is possible that a fight occurred.

What I don't find likely is that a life-or-death struggle occurred AND he came out looking that tidy.

According to the story, that video is four hours after the fact. So yeah, I can see him being cleaned up in that time. I mean, if he was covered in blood, and they were taking him in to questioning, I can totally see them taking him around to the side of the building first and hosing him off so he doesn't stain anything.


Don't know if anyone has mentioned this or not, but if he were bleeding AT ALL, or if he had someone else's blood on him, those cops would have had on latex gloves. Pretty much all cops carry these nowadays, and it's standard procedure.
2012-03-29 07:47:53 AM
1 votes:

ericroane: so after COUNTLESS bs headlines that he wasn't arrested, turns out he was. I'm SO tired of the media...


I guess we could quibble about the intent of the claim. Do you think "handcuffed and taken in for questioning" is the same as "under arrest"? I really don't know the legal differentiation, so I am, in part, asking your opinion and maybe opening for advice.
2012-03-29 07:25:50 AM
1 votes:

topcon: Why do people keep bringing up what the dispatcher said as if it's binding somehow, and you MUST do what a dispatcher says, otherwise you go to jail? Lots of plausible arguments either way in this case, but the dispatcher angle isn't one of them.

It's the most tiresome thing being repeated time and time again.


Because ignoring those instructions shows intent and negligence.

Why are folks who would normally be screaming about law and order suddenly trying to downplay the role of 911 instructions?
2012-03-29 07:23:20 AM
1 votes:

aug3: t-shirt not stretched, clean knees, they must have let him change clothes i guess


Just one more reason this needs to be sorted in court.
2012-03-29 07:20:48 AM
1 votes:
t-shirt not stretched, clean knees, they must have let him change clothes i guess
2012-03-29 07:16:32 AM
1 votes:
If Zimmerman's apologists are so certain of his innocence, why are they so adamantly insistent that the matter never see the inside of a courtroom?
At this point, it would certainly be in Zimmerman's interest to clear his name in a court of law - again, assuming that he is innocent.
2012-03-29 07:13:22 AM
1 votes:

CornDog in 2012: So if this turns Out like the duke case, will everyone apologize?


Yes. If Trayvon Martin is lying and is not really dead, I will absolutely apologize. I will come to meet you wherever you choose, and genuflect with grace and apologize profusely.
2012-03-29 04:39:34 AM
1 votes:

JuggleGeek: GreatGlavinsGhost: When your dad is a retired magistrate (new window), your face doesn't bleed.

Nice catch. I've said before that I suspected Zimmerman had friends or family with local pull.


Not sure how much pull a retired Virginia magistrate would have in Florida, but he probably did help make the old assaulting an officer charge go away.

That's another funny thing. The right wingnuts are defending the only person in this scuffle who actually had a criminal record.
2012-03-29 03:47:23 AM
1 votes:
Is there a direct link to Fark from Stormfront?

Alas, probably not...It is just there are racist people everywhere. Zimmerman could come out and say "I don't like little young coons in my gated community so I shot the little spearchucker". and the people here will either stop talking about this case whilst retaining their idiotic beliefs, or they will double down and continue defending the guy in amazingly irrelevant ways.

Seriously, Fark needs to moderate out the racists.
2012-03-29 03:26:20 AM
1 votes:

kapaso: The My Little Pony Killer: Confabulat: I've honestly never met a more frightened bunch of people than America's terrified right-wingers. Does anything NOT scare them?

Yeah. Other people who look and think exactly like them.

I've always wondered how they keep up with the incredibly fast changes in the party line. I have never heard a far right winger break ranks, and they always know exactly what to think, right down to the phrasing. I wonder if they realize how much their own behavior contradicts the whole "I'm a self made man" ideology they parrot.

It has been fun watching them crawl back over and over as the GOP kicks them square in the teeth. I think it has made them angrier than usual. I guess having your masters shiat all over you while you lick their hands like some kind of little helpless puppy is a little hard on the spirit.


The REALLY funny thing is the ultra right is actually calling for Zimmerman to get life in prison for being Mesican.

I shiat you not: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/294226/al-sharpton-right-rich- l owry (new window)
2012-03-29 03:22:02 AM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Confabulat: I've honestly never met a more frightened bunch of people than America's terrified right-wingers. Does anything NOT scare them?

Yeah. Other people who look and think exactly like them.


I've always wondered how they keep up with the incredibly fast changes in the party line. I have never heard a far right winger break ranks, and they always know exactly what to think, right down to the phrasing. I wonder if they realize how much their own behavior contradicts the whole "I'm a self made man" ideology they parrot.

It has been fun watching them crawl back over and over as the GOP kicks them square in the teeth. I think it has made them angrier than usual. I guess having your masters shiat all over you while you lick their hands like some kind of little helpless puppy is a little hard on the spirit.
2012-03-29 03:12:26 AM
1 votes:
I don't know that you are required to follow a dispatchers instructions.

because it might save someone's life.
2012-03-29 02:44:43 AM
1 votes:

ImpendingCynic: 9beers: ChuDogg: George Zimmerman HAS NO FACE. TREYVON LITERALLY BEAT HIS FACE OFF!

By the way, Zimmerman's account is that Martin punched him one time, in the nose, which sent Zimmerman to the ground. Stop acting as if people are claiming that Martin was pounding his face into mush.

Who's claiming that Martin was pounding his face into mush? Oh, right, it was you:

9beers 2012-03-22 11:48:39 PM "Lets not forget though that we have an eyewitness that saw Martin pummeling Zimmerman"

9beers 2012-03-23 01:40:53 AM "The next fact we have is that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating his ass."


STOP USING CHRISTMAS TROLL'S WORDS TO SUGGEST CHRISTMAS TROLL IS A LIAR!!!!
2012-03-29 02:15:29 AM
1 votes:
Applying ice to an injured area can also help speed up the healing process. Hmmm....

img607.imageshack.us
2012-03-29 01:56:09 AM
1 votes:

eraser8: 9beers: ChuDogg: George Zimmerman HAS NO FACE. TREYVON LITERALLY BEAT HIS FACE OFF!

By the way, Zimmerman's account is that Martin punched him one time, in the nose, which sent Zimmerman to the ground. Stop acting as if people are claiming that Martin was pounding his face into mush.

People were, however, claiming that "[t]he kid was 6'3 and a high school athlete. He was slamming Zimmerman's head into the concrete sidewalk."


So, now, Christmas Troll is trying to say Zimmerman only got popped once in the nose to justify shooting Martin. Somehow, I doubt getting popped in the nose once is justification for self-defense because you felt it was life or death.
2012-03-29 01:55:49 AM
1 votes:

Rincewind53: image.

heh, how can that penguin be racist? He's black, white, yellow...what color is he not?
/Red? He's red on the inside.
2012-03-29 01:51:57 AM
1 votes:

9beers: furiousxgeorge: The claim is Martin started by breaking his nose and slamming him into the concrete. THEN he beat him for nearly a minute, beating on his already broken nose, his face, and continuing to slam his head into concrete. Zimmerman moved onto the grass while being beaten and then Martin continued to beat him MORE.

Show me proof of George Zimmerman saying that.


So you claim that Zimmerman killed a kid for popping him ONCE in the face?

What a pussy.
2012-03-29 01:51:51 AM
1 votes:
Giltric: theres holes in both sides of the story now
meathome: Both sides of this have holes in their arguments.

no, there are no "both sides of the story", one side of the story died with Trayvon Martin. The only thing even remotely resembling the other side of the story is speculation from people that think Zimmerman's story doesn't add up and it's reasonable in asking why that is and wondering what did happen if Zimmerman isn't telling the truth.

SO to recap, the only story we have, has holes in it. Serious farkin holes
2012-03-29 01:48:18 AM
1 votes:

Confabulat: 9beers: eraser8: People were, however, claiming that "[t]he kid was 6'3 and a high school athlete. He was slamming Zimmerman's head into the concrete sidewalk."

It doesn't really matter if somebody in here gets it wrong, does it? The investigators have Zimmerman's statements, evidence and an eyewitness. Apparently all of those jive. But by all means, keep assuming that you know more about this case than the people investigating it. You see a grainy video of Zimmerman at the police station and suddenly you know more about the case than the people that were there that night. How farking arrogant are you?

And how stupid are you? Ever see a face after getting slammed into the sidewalk? Check out my profile picture, I sure do.

FACES BLEED


Holy shiat dude.
2012-03-29 01:41:42 AM
1 votes:

Confabulat: I've honestly never met a more frightened bunch of people than America's terrified right-wingers. Does anything NOT scare them?


Yeah. Other people who look and think exactly like them.
2012-03-29 01:38:15 AM
1 votes:
I see skin color. He'll I've got eyes I can see color. I just don't give a hoot about a persons color.

CSB:

I got pulled over for driving while white. It was in Miami in the 1980's here is how it went.

Brother: Fark this doesn't look right I think we need to go back.
Me: ok I'll go around the block.

Flashing red lights in mirror.

Cop: what are you doing on this street
Me: I'm lost and going around the block to turn around.
Cop: are you sure your not here to buy drugs.
Me: no sir.
Brother: officer she can't do drugs she's in the Army.
Cop: really.
Me: yes sir
Cop: (to brother) you look like my best friend from high school.
Cop: (to me) I am going to escort you out of this area. Follow me.
Me: thank you sir
Cop: no problem

See there is no such thing as white privilege.
2012-03-29 01:33:44 AM
1 votes:

9beers: Your problem is that you assume that a person that isn't sitting here making excuses for the problems blacks face is also sitting here cheering because one was shot dead.


img31.imageshack.us
2012-03-29 01:32:51 AM
1 votes:

Confabulat: I've honestly never met a more frightened bunch of people than America's terrified right-wingers. Does anything NOT scare them?


Land wars in the middle east, apparently.
2012-03-29 01:24:27 AM
1 votes:
Right-wingers: "I'm color-blind! As long as everyone dresses, grooms, and acts like a proper white Republican, I have no problem with them at all! Pinky swear!"

And they are serious.
2012-03-29 01:22:41 AM
1 votes:

ChuDogg: To "white-hispanic", first time I ever heard that term widely used. They could have just said "initial reports of being white were wrong, he's actually hispanic" and used that from there on out. And yeah, we know hispanics can be white. Most people don't think of Peruvians as the whitest hispanics though.


By me it's just hispanic, on the Illinois news. Doesn't change the fact that the cops on the scene pegged him as white long before the media got involved.

But the outrage is not that the shooter is white or Hispanic or anything else. It's that a kid was shot and is dead, and not only did the shooter profile him, but people all over the internet are just taking up the cause and doing the same thing, acting as if various little bits of dirt dug up about his history somehow mean that even if Zimmerman went off half-cocked (EVEN IF, not saying he did or didn't, but people saying EVEN IF) it wouldn't matter, because well, no harm done.

That's the part that has people disgusted about the whole thing, because this isn't just one isolated case either.

It's the fact that people see a black kid wearing a hoodie and instantly jump to "thug" "dangerous" "going to hurt me" that's the problem. Zimmerman apparently did, and half the internet is all too happy to just follow right along.

the_vegetarian_cannibal: If you were walking in a neighborhood at night while wearing a hoodie and eating skittles, do you think that some gun-ho overzealous vigilante watchdog would start stalking you in his car and accusing you of being a criminal? If you answered no, then I'm afraid that you do have white privilege*, whether you like to admit it or not.


Thank you.

It's nothing to feel guilty over. It just is.

meathome: Next bit. He wouldn't be covered in blood unless Martin fell on Zimmerman. There would be spatter, but after 2-3 ft or so it wouldn't be much (not with a 9mm), and with the clothes he's wearing and the resolution of the video I think most of us would be hard pressed to find it. Blood spatter isn't quite as pronounced as CSI might lead folks to believe.

Frankly, I'd be more interested in the angle of entry of the bullet that killed Martin. Depending on that, the whole story could change.


But if he's two or three feet away, he has to shoot? The kid is unarmed, remember, and 2-3 feet seems farther than arm's reach. But maybe that's when Zimmerman is supposedly groaning and unable to get up, so could happen.

I agree the autopsy reports would be interesting to see.

osafer: Unlike you I refuse to feel guilty for something I had nothing to do with or have no control over


No one has asked you to feel guilty for anything.

technicolor-misfit: The issue was never about the fact that Zimmerman was white. The issue was about the fact that he wasn't arrested or charged or tried... as he almost assuredly would have been had Trayvon Martin been a white kid.

IT was never about what horrible awful people white folks were. It was about the lack of concern and consideration Trayvon Martin received from authorities.


This too. It's the race of the victim here that's relevant, because profiling apparently happened. And while you can possibly argue over the extent of the profiling in the actual incident, the internet sure as heck is alive with it now all over the place.

One thing about news stories like these I guess, they remind people that stuff hasn't changed nearly as much as they like to think.
2012-03-29 01:21:21 AM
1 votes:

UCFRoadWarrior: Mrtraveler01: UCFRoadWarrior: White Guilt

No, it's just a stupid term. Racists use it when they get called out on their racism.

Right...And also anyone that dioesn't agree w Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Spike Lee...they are "racists" too...right?


Jesse Jackson helped free 3 American troops that were being held hostage in the Middle East. What have you done?
2012-03-29 01:20:25 AM
1 votes:

UCFRoadWarrior: Mrtraveler01: UCFRoadWarrior: White Guilt

No, it's just a stupid term. Racists use it when they get called out on their racism.

Right...And also anyone that dioesn't agree w Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Spike Lee...they are "racists" too...right?


Not at all. But right-wingers like to pretend racism doesn't exist as a problem in our society, while it's always right-wingers that are the biggest racists. Why is that?
2012-03-29 01:19:27 AM
1 votes:
www.bitlogic.com
2012-03-29 01:19:07 AM
1 votes:

Rincewind53: osafer: I didn't say all liberals nor did I say all conservatives... I was talking about you and me, I think you are a racists, because you only see someone by the color of their skin....

"I don't see the color of anyone's skin" is the most bullshiat lie conservatives have been telling for a while now. Why do you think Colbert makes so much fun of it?

"I don't see the color of anyone's skin.... so I don't believe in paying attention to the problems of poverty among black people."
"I don't see the color of anyone's skin.... so if you don't succeed in this country it's because you're lazy"
"I don't see the color of anyone's skin.... so if you point it out to me, that makes you a racist."
"I don't see the color of anyone's skin.... but if you name your kid 'Shaniqua' I'm just going to make fun of you for that."
"I don't see the color of anyone's skin.... I give all black people the benefit of the doubt that they're not criminals."
"I don't see the color of anyone's skin.... so when a black person gets arrested for marijuana and gets sent to prison and a white person gets arrested for marijuana and gets community service, I just chalk it up to random chance."


And my personal fav:

"I don't see the color of anyone's skin...so I exploit the angry sentiment white Southerners had in the 1970's toward Democrats and the Civil Rights Act."
2012-03-29 01:18:08 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: 9beers: Rincewind53: it's the liberals who are the real racists.

Well Zimmerman is a Democrat and did murder a sweet black boy just for the thrill of it.

I still don't know what difference it makes if Zimmerman was a Democrat or not?


Well because American right-wingers only can see the world in the black/white college football terms that politicians expected they'd be stupid enough to fall for. They can't really think about things on their own. All they know is how to support their team.
2012-03-29 01:16:27 AM
1 votes:

osafer: I didn't say all liberals nor did I say all conservatives... I was talking about you and me, I think you are a racists, because you only see someone by the color of their skin....


"I don't see the color of anyone's skin" is the most bullshiat lie conservatives have been telling for a while now. Why do you think Colbert makes so much fun of it?

"I don't see the color of anyone's skin.... so I don't believe in paying attention to the problems of poverty among black people."
"I don't see the color of anyone's skin.... so if you don't succeed in this country it's because you're lazy"
"I don't see the color of anyone's skin.... so if you point it out to me, that makes you a racist."
"I don't see the color of anyone's skin.... but if you name your kid 'Shaniqua' I'm just going to make fun of you for that."
"I don't see the color of anyone's skin.... I give all black people the benefit of the doubt that they're not criminals."
"I don't see the color of anyone's skin.... so when a black person gets arrested for marijuana and gets sent to prison and a white person gets arrested for marijuana and gets community service, I just chalk it up to random chance."
2012-03-29 01:15:40 AM
1 votes:

9beers: Rincewind53: it's the liberals who are the real racists.

Well Zimmerman is a Democrat and did murder a sweet black boy just for the thrill of it.


The American Democratic Party is not liberal. Only gullible right-wing extremists are dumb enough to think that.
2012-03-29 01:10:21 AM
1 votes:

9beers: I Browse:

A white person gets killed in the name of Treyvon Martin followed by a retaliation killing of a black person and we're going to have an all out race war. Never mind the fact that Zimmerman isn't white, all that matters is that he's not black.



People have been predicting a race war in this country since Reconstruction. Not gonna happen. Despite what some claim, white people and black people (and Latinos and Asians) are way too intertwined in each other's lives to even consider some kind of tribal go-grab-your-guns race war.

I suppose you could rile up those who self segregate anyway. But in most of the big cities (and even many small towns) where people live and work and socialize side by side with people of different races, religions, yadda yadda...? I just can't see it.

I'm supposed to turn on my white friends and colleagues because some other black person I don't even know got killed? My white friends and colleagues are supposed to turn on me out of allegiance to some other white person that they don't even know? I don't believe people are that tribal anymore, outside of say...prisons, or Lord of the Flies scenarios.
2012-03-29 01:05:16 AM
1 votes:

Fart_Machine: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm honestly not racist.

I'll bet you have black friends too.


Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom 2011-06-03 11:04:48 PM
A black with poor impulse control? I'm stunned.
2012-03-29 01:03:54 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: All snark aside, I'd honestly really be interested to find out how practically racist I am compared to those who accuse me of racism on the internet.

I'd be willing to be that based on actual practiced behavior, and not drunken internet ramblings, I'd come out as a lot less racist than the accusers. Just a hunch though.


When you come right out and say "Hey, my drunken internet ramblings are pretty damn racist, I'll admit that, but in real life I'm totally not discriminatory", you've already lost the battle.
2012-03-29 01:01:29 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Even at the same socioeconomic level, people of European descent are less prone to violence and crime than people of African descent. I'm willing to overlook this fact in everyday life, as I do, but I think it warrants being trotted out whenever some moron starts going on about "white privilege."


Um...
Auschwitz
Andersonville
Kosovo
Rape of Nanking
Khmer Rouge Genocide

Every race has a history of violence.
Germans are of European descent, and they made lampshades of human skin and dog food of human flesh.

You are disgustingly bigoted and uninformed.
2012-03-29 12:57:10 AM
1 votes:
I'm a little conflicted because while I believe that Zimmerman's account was a lie and he murdered the boy, Nancy Grace Tit Mom seems to be on the side of Treyvon in her interview with the funeral director. How can I be of the same opinion as she? I may have to start defending Zimmerman just on that principle,
2012-03-29 12:55:19 AM
1 votes:
I love how the pig trolling this thread can only make it about race, and has nothing to say about how his pig buddies are covering up Zimmerman's crime.
2012-03-29 12:50:44 AM
1 votes:

9beers: RexTalionis: Oh, boy, somebody mentioned "race war." I think I've seen that tattooed on some skinheads somewhere - they seem to love that concept.

Somebody's already calling for a race war. Hint, it ain't whitey. Link (new window)


Another significant religious cult is the Church of the Creator, founded in 1973. Its members believe they are engaged in a racial holy war (RAHOWA) between the "pure" Aryan race and the "mud races." Adherents are frequently in the headlines for their violence. In 1993, members were arrested by the FBI as part of the Fourth Reich Skinheads who attempted to bomb First AME Church in Los Angeles and assassinate LA motorist Rodney King. Members have also been arrested in numerous murders, violent assaults, and bank robberies across the nation. They believe that they can precipitate the race war by provoking a violent response with attacks upon Jews and people of color. --- Source

Got you beat.
2012-03-29 12:50:39 AM
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: Just like everyone else, Fark can't discuss this without absolutes.


No, I operate on gradients:

www.bitlogic.com
2012-03-29 12:47:04 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Rincewind53: osafer: And on a side note shove you f-ing white privilege up your ass, I came from nothing and earned everything I have no one gave me anything, I refuse to feel guilt over some made up term as white privilege

Good for you (not even going to address your "no one gave me anything" comment). And if you'd been black, it would have been much, much harder for you earn everything you did. Contrary to what you think, having "white privilege" doesn't mean "successful and rich," it means "things are easier for the average white person than the average black person."

And the average black person is more likely to commit violent crime than the average white person. I can demonstrate mine with empirical evidence, though I'm sure you can too.

And you don't think the fact that the average black person is more likely to commit violent crime than the average white person is related to the fact that things in life are easier for the average white person than the average black person?

What point are you trying to make?

Even at the same socioeconomic level, people of European descent are less prone to violence and crime than people of African descent. I'm willing to overlook this fact in everyday life, as I do, but I think it warrants being trotted out whenever some moron starts going on about "white privilege."


I don't read here that much, but I know your handle, and I never knew you were such a racist piece of crap until this thread. So... thanks for enlightening me about that.
2012-03-29 12:39:48 AM
1 votes:
I bet Zimmerman isn't even in this country legally. His real name is probably Pablo Tequila. I bet he stole this white man's ID do he could do this as a white man.


Heck. He probably used a gun he bought from Eric Holder. It would explain why he's being protected...hiding for his life and all.
2012-03-29 12:38:30 AM
1 votes:
Oh, boy, somebody mentioned "race war." I think I've seen that tattooed on some skinheads somewhere - they seem to love that concept.
2012-03-29 12:38:06 AM
1 votes:

technicolor-misfit: osafer: Link (new window)

What white privilege may look like.


Yep, some thugs beat up a white dude. That totally negates the well-documented fact that white people have better access to education, jobs, homes, and virtually all business services... and about the only thing that black people have better access to is the criminal justice system.

I'm sure you'd positively leap at the chance to be black. It's such a sweet gig compared to the horrible oppression we white people are forced to face.


Unlike you I refuse to feel guilty for something I had nothing to do with or have no control over, I am not a racist, I do not discriminate, nor do I hate anyone for their race, sex, religion or sexual orientation.

So I restate my point shove your white guilt up your arse...
2012-03-29 12:17:50 AM
1 votes:

Rincewind53: osafer: And on a side note shove you f-ing white privilege up your ass, I came from nothing and earned everything I have no one gave me anything, I refuse to feel guilt over some made up term as white privilege

Good for you (not even going to address your "no one gave me anything" comment). And if you'd been black, it would have been much, much harder for you earn everything you did. Contrary to what you think, having "white privilege" doesn't mean "successful and rich," it means "things are easier for the average white person than the average black person."


I'm white and even I know that.

But that means I hate my own race or something...
2012-03-29 12:15:56 AM
1 votes:

osafer: And on a side note shove you f-ing white privilege up your ass, I came from nothing and earned everything I have no one gave me anything, I refuse to feel guilt over some made up term as white privilege


Good for you (not even going to address your "no one gave me anything" comment). And if you'd been black, it would have been much, much harder for you earn everything you did. Contrary to what you think, having "white privilege" doesn't mean "successful and rich," it means "things are easier for the average white person than the average black person."
2012-03-29 12:13:05 AM
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gaspode: 'We don't need you to do that' is exactly the kind of 'calm this looney down till a cop gets there' phrase. The dispatcher is throughout trying to get him to stay at his car, wait for a cop, don't go doing anything stupid. It didnt work unfortunately.


Wrong, he got out of his car at 2:15 into the tape, the dispatcher says "we don't need you to do that" at 2:30, and at 2:40 Zimmerman stop's his forward motion. He remains on the line with the police for 2 minutes until Martin appears.

I think the dispatcher f*cked up here. He tells Zimmerman twice to let him know if he does anything, and asks which way he is headed when he runs so Zimmerman rounds the corner of the house to go look, and then he should have stayed on the line until police arrived. He put Zimmerman's life in danger.
2012-03-29 12:11:04 AM
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This is my Weeners on this subject. So let me see if I got this straight. Z was brutally attacked by M. The attack was so brutal that he feared for his life and had to shoot M to survive. This brutal attack ended with M dead and Z had a bloody nose and a scratch. Have I got this right? Really?
2012-03-29 12:09:13 AM
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topcon: Why do people keep bringing up what the dispatcher said as if it's binding somehow, and you MUST do what a dispatcher says, otherwise you go to jail? Lots of plausible arguments either way in this case, but the dispatcher angle isn't one of them.

It's the most tiresome thing being repeated time and time again.



Because it reinforces the fact that Zimmerman had no right nor reason to be following or accosting a kid walking down a public street.

You don't get to police your neighborhood just cause you "really really really really want to." They call it neighborhood WATCH for a reason.

Zimmerman was the instigator... even against the direction of emergency personnel, he instigated a confrontation. Even police need a valid reason to stop and question you. On what basis was Zimmerman, a non-LEO private citizen, pursuing and accosting another private citizen? What infraction? What evidence or reasonable suspicion of wrong-doing did he have to interfere with private citizen simply walking down the street? Was he jiggling door knobs? peering in windows? skulking in someone's bushes? No. He was walking down a public goddamn street with a bag of Skittles and a bottle of tea.

It's the "Stand Your Grand" law, not the "Chase and Shoot Anyone Who Makes My Paranoid Gun-Nut Racist Psycho-Sense Tingle" law.
2012-03-29 12:05:01 AM
1 votes:

jso2897: 9beers: jso2897: You aren't a very good writer - your sentences just don't "pop".

Thanks man, I've always known that my writing skills suck. :(

Also, you are full of poop. I saw the story about the kids raiding the store twice on the evening news tonight - and I live in California. In the second hour I watched, it was the ONLY Martin/Zimmerman related story that ran.
The story was on Yahoo frontpage. It is being covered


Dude he has been lying in every thread about this. First he was making racist comments about Trayvon and calling him a thug, then claimed he never did that and he wasn't taking any sides, only waiting for the truth. He got called out on that lie, and when he was called out he started hurling insults and crying that everybody was picking on him.

Then in other threads he was making shiat up and claiming it as facts, when ask for citations he ignored the request. And when he was called out for lying guess what he did? He started hurling insults again and once again started crying that people were stalking him and picking on him.

The guy is a racist and a compulsive liar, as you can see he is lying again here. Don't let yourself get to worked up by him.

By the way I surprised that nobody noticed this. For a guy who was punched in the nose hard enough to break it and knock him to the ground, then had his head repeatedly slammed into the concrete, he sure is walking fine. I mean you would expect that a person who was on the receiving end of that much head trauma to be at least a little uneasy on their feet. This guy is walking like nothing ever happened.

I also sure after allegedly receiving that much head trauma the police would take him to the hospital to get checked out before taking him to the station for questioning. Because if he had a brain hemorrhage while in the police station and they never took him in to the hospital after he claimed he took that kind of beating, they would be in a world of hurt. But Florida may just be different than Illinois.
2012-03-29 12:04:55 AM
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'We don't need you to do that' is exactly the kind of 'calm this looney down till a cop gets there' phrase. The dispatcher is throughout trying to get him to stay at his car, wait for a cop, don't go doing anything stupid. It didnt work unfortunately.
2012-03-29 12:02:04 AM
1 votes:

ChuDogg: itazurakko: Protip: If people's first gut reaction of you seeing you on the street in person is that you're white, you have white privilege. That's how it works. Doesn't mean you need to identify as white.

Then why did they doctor the photograph?



Zimmerman's learning all about "white privilege". Right now everyone of hispanic heritage with a white sound name is changing their surname to Gonzalez.


Hey, he looks swarthy to me too. But regardless, the police had him as white - it's not some media conspiracy, and in fact they quickly updated their references even.
2012-03-29 12:01:27 AM
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cryinoutloud: deschinc: Because the dispatcher is just "reminding" him of the law. We don't need you to do that because that would be a great reason for you to do something stupid like kill a kid and expect to get off. But we don't need you to do that.

the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that." As in-- me, who works for the police, and by extension, we--the entire police department.

/It's a dumb point anyway, but he did say "we."


Oh, I agree. That should count as the "royal" we. Has it been brought up yet that carrying while on neighborhood watch duty is questionable at best? That fact kinda predisposes me to think he was looking to use it.
2012-03-28 11:56:24 PM
1 votes:

deschinc: Because the dispatcher is just "reminding" him of the law. We don't need you to do that because that would be a great reason for you to do something stupid like kill a kid and expect to get off. But we don't need you to do that.


the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that." As in-- me, who works for the police, and by extension, we--the entire police department.

/It's a dumb point anyway, but he did say "we."
2012-03-28 11:50:02 PM
1 votes:

osafer: Revmachine21: Checked the videos, and agree it's not good enough quality to see smaller details.

That said, if you shot somebody who was beating you up because "you feared for your life", I kind of expect a person to look worse than this, and have stuff wrong with him that would be more visible.

He's upright, walking well with out any gingerness, no bandages, no ripped clothing, he's got balance, nobody is helping him maintain balance, or helping him walk.

I saw worse messes in high school fistfights.

How long after the fight was the video taken? 5 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 hours? Why did they cut off the time stamp? This whole case stinks, it happened over a month ago, but now the media is blowing it up, calling a Hispanic a white guy, fanning the racial division in our country for no reason. This case may or may not have anything to do with race, but according to the powers to be it is all about race. I hate racebaters exploiting this tragedy to push their agenda. I am looking at you Jackson and Sharpton....


The POLICE initially called the guy a white guy.

Protip: If people's first gut reaction of you seeing you on the street in person is that you're white, you have white privilege. That's how it works. Doesn't mean you need to identify as white.
2012-03-28 11:46:42 PM
1 votes:
Oh yeah, has no one posted a link to the story about Zimmerman's lawyer skipping out on an MSNBC interview at the last second, thus resulting in Lawrence O'Donnell grilling an empty chair?

/Submitted it, but it was redlit
2012-03-28 11:45:39 PM
1 votes:

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Who's the liberal cumquat that keeps posting these stupid headlines?

Racism racism racism!!!

I'm sick of this crap.

I don't care about some delinquent that got shot or the the guy that shot him. Yes I think Martin was in the wrong and so was zim. Shoot them both. This isn't a race issue. No no no it isn't. Yes I hear you. Sorry, it still isn't.


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-Re-reads headline.
Nope, no mention.
-Watches silent video.
huh.
-alt-f :"racism"
Nothing till your post.

Your post gave me an idea. The right is going to have to make this a race issue. The alternative is it becomes a gun ownership, "castle doctrine" issue, with Obama coming after your guns.

You are going to have to sacrifice Zimmerman at the altar of the NRA.

/me thinks thou doth protesteth too loudly
2012-03-28 11:44:39 PM
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Daraymann: gaspode: I did couch it in hyperbole, but as a serious question.. can you imagine that if the shooting had been the other way around that the kid would have been anything other than jail-bound?

Um, the shooter was taken to jail. You DID see the video, right?

/Way to race bait.


Um, the shooter wasn't "in jail". Taken to the police station is not taken to jail.
2012-03-28 11:38:11 PM
1 votes:

Daraymann: gaspode: I did couch it in hyperbole, but as a serious question.. can you imagine that if the shooting had been the other way around that the kid would have been anything other than jail-bound?

Um, the shooter was taken to jail. You DID see the video, right?

/Way to race bait.


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2012-03-28 11:36:58 PM
1 votes:

Daraymann: gaspode: I did couch it in hyperbole, but as a serious question.. can you imagine that if the shooting had been the other way around that the kid would have been anything other than jail-bound?

Um, the shooter was taken to jail. You DID see the video, right?

/Way to race bait.


Um, when?

Isn't the whole point of the outrage over this case the fact that the guy WASN'T arrested or taken to jail after killing a person? Do you have some sort of secret information that nobody else does?
2012-03-28 11:35:39 PM
1 votes:

noneyourbase: Fireproof: Also whenever someone posts something like that, I try to ask them why they care about the media being biased toward not portraying Martin as a thug so much, because I can't think of any reason other than racism.

To be honest, I can: the "enemy of my enemy is my friend." Remember, as liberals became more and more repulsed by Sarah Palin, many conservatives embraced her even tighter - because "she pisses 'em off."

The majority of Zimmerman's "supporters" I've encountered don't actually know enough to support Zimmerman. They haven't followed the story that closely. But they see the world rallying around a 'liberal' cause and they react to it by latching onto anything that confirms their claims of media bias, like those photos.

Racism may be at work, but it's really the "us" versus "them" mentality that's most prevalent.


True. I started thinking a few minutes after this that there are some people who just HAVE to reduce every issue to left vs. right and feel that the right-wing ideas are ALWAYS right and that the left-wing ones are ALWAYS wrong. I mean I've seen people who have clearly never once watched Glenn Beck defend him and I've seen teenagers that had never heard of Joseph McCarthy before defend him. And clearly a case involving racial issues, gun laws, and police being less than perfect is has political implications, and this one leans left quite a bit.

They're not all racist, they're just unwilling to accept that this is a case where the facts are not on their side, so they go back to the old standby of attacking the messenger: The media.

Also, a big piece of it is probably not willing to accept how much racism is left in the United States.
2012-03-28 11:35:25 PM
1 votes:

Daraymann: gaspode: I did couch it in hyperbole, but as a serious question.. can you imagine that if the shooting had been the other way around that the kid would have been anything other than jail-bound?

Um, the shooter was taken to jail. You DID see the video, right?

/Way to race bait.


Taken to the police station != taken to jail.
2012-03-28 11:29:43 PM
1 votes:

gaspode: I did couch it in hyperbole, but as a serious question.. can you imagine that if the shooting had been the other way around that the kid would have been anything other than jail-bound?


Exactly this too.

Heck, the kid is DEAD, and people are posting insinuations that surely he must have deserved this in one way or another, and that's death not even just jail.

That's what gets people upset.
2012-03-28 11:27:58 PM
1 votes:

Daraymann:
But the shooter was Mexican, so I guess they get a free pass now.


I did couch it in hyperbole, but as a serious question.. can you imagine that if the shooting had been the other way around that the kid would have been anything other than jail-bound?
2012-03-28 11:27:03 PM
1 votes:
Checked the videos, and agree it's not good enough quality to see smaller details.

That said, if you shot somebody who was beating you up because "you feared for your life", I kind of expect a person to look worse than this, and have stuff wrong with him that would be more visible.

He's upright, walking well with out any gingerness, no bandages, no ripped clothing, he's got balance, nobody is helping him maintain balance, or helping him walk.

I saw worse messes in high school fistfights.
2012-03-28 11:23:09 PM
1 votes:

CrAz3D: grainy video that shows basically grainy grain-like grains. DEFINITELY proof of X.


Even though I knew ~some~ idiot was going to proclaim this, I just wanted to congratulate you for being the first idiot.

/also: 'watch stuff' in your lcd's native resolution so you can 'see stuff'
2012-03-28 11:19:25 PM
1 votes:

itazurakko: missiv: Someone named George Zimmerman needs to explain his facts in a courtroom of law, without others speaking for him. Trayvon's parents deserve to hear the facts, about how their son went to the store for candy and a soda, and ended up at the morgue. George is the only person who can explain it truthfully and fully.

Exactly. That's all anyone is asking for. A trial, with people under oath.


I agree too, but before there's a trial there needs to be an arrest, and before there's an arrest they need to do an investigation to determine what exactly they can arrest him for. If they do not do everything by the book it could ruin the whole process, which is why everyone needs to relax and let the system run it's course as opposed to foaming and the mouth and calling for the needle.
2012-03-28 11:17:58 PM
1 votes:

Daraymann:
/If the shooter was black, nobody would care.


If the shooter was black he would be in jail or a morgue. The police don't fark about when its an armed black man. I mean are you seriously suggesting that if Martin had shot Zimmerman dead he would have been let off without charge? really really?
2012-03-28 11:14:21 PM
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9beers: Mrtraveler01: But they're in no way racist...

You know dude, you're kind of dimwitted with all your racist talk. I decided to go over to Strormfront to see how real racists are reacting to this and guess what, the only thing they're concerned about is Zimmerman being labeled as white. They couldn't give a fark less that a Hispanic might be accused of killing a black. So see buddy, you're kind of a fool because white racists don't give a fark about anything other than other white people.

The real racists in this are people pulling the race card. You know, about 99% of the black population and most Farkers.


You know, with the elections coming up I expected the old trolls to come out of the woodworks, but to have to deal with your inane comments
makes me wish that I could go back to 12/24/11 and make sure you never created this worthless acct. Maybe your mom getting you that computer for Xmas wasn't such a great idea. Some people just aren't responsible enough to own modern technology.
2012-03-28 11:12:48 PM
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Dinki: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: He was wearing a red sweater according to the witness statement. I imagine he took it off because it was dirty from being ambushed by a crazy burglar kid. Of course you don't care enough to read the official police report like I did.

Um, no. The police report clearly says Zimmerman was wearing a red jacket, just like in the video. I'm sorry you have such poor reading ability.


Hey, come on. He was so proud he had read the official police report, ALL BY HIMSELF. Let's let him have his moment.
2012-03-28 11:12:34 PM
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: I still can't understand why he hasn't been arrested. He's recorded on the 911 call as saying he's in his car following the kid. He's told not to do that. The fact that he even ends up outside his car near the kid in a position to feel "threatened" means he put himself there. That should be all it takes to remove the Stand Your Ground defense.


My guess: the cops think that if they make this as drawn out as possible the can pretend this was a hard decision, thus covering their asses for the lawsuit over the cops thinking nobody cares if a black kid dies. If they turned around the next day and said "yeah, that was obvious" they're providing evidence to back that up.

This way they can say "after much investigation, we pulled apart the finely-crafted lie that fooled us initially and found the truth", when the truth is really "fark, we figured nobody would have cared about another dead n... er, African American".
2012-03-28 11:11:32 PM
1 votes:

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: He was wearing a red sweater according to the witness statement. I imagine he took it off because it was dirty from being ambushed by a crazy burglar kid. Of course you don't care enough to read the official police report like I did.


Um, no. The police report clearly says Zimmerman was wearing a red jacket, just like in the video. I'm sorry you have such poor reading ability.
2012-03-28 11:04:30 PM
1 votes:

the_vegetarian_cannibal: mc_madness: 9beers: So why aren't we talking about the dozens of black teens that looted a Miami Walgreens today in what they called a "Treyvon Martin protest"? You know, I haven't even seen this reported on TV today, why do you think that is?

If Obama had 100 children they'd look like THIS

"National News Channel"? NATIONAL NEWS CHANNEL??? LOL!

Maybe for his next post, Christmas Troll 9beers should bring up David Duke's opinion on this matter and demand why it isn't being given credence in the media.



Also, my favorite idiotic racist comment from that Youtube video:

TNB!! Trayvon Martin was a worthless n***r and so are everybody protesting

REPEAL the 19th amendment now!


I don't think that amendment means what you think it means.
2012-03-28 11:01:33 PM
1 votes:

ElBarto79: What a lot of people seem to be claiming is that Zimmerman started it by following Martin, therefore it doesn't matter what happened after that he is always guilty because he started it. All I'm saying is you are entitled to defend yourself if your life is in danger.


So you are saying what precipitates a confrontation is irrelevant? So I go up to some guy, punch him in the face, and when he starts punching me I can shoot and kill him, because I fear that my life is in danger?
2012-03-28 11:00:40 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Yes I think Martin was in the wrong

Yes, wearing a hoodie at night is WRONG!



In the RAIN, no less.

\How dare anyone wear a hoodie when it's raining out. Delinquents, the lot of 'em!
\\I heard on the news that it was sprinkling the night Trayvon was shot; I'm too lazy to verify that info.
2012-03-28 10:59:30 PM
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The Great EZE: I want Zimmerman to go on trial just to see if his lawyers will use the "LOOK OVER THERE!" defense like so many of our Outraged Zimmerman Defenders right now.


Well its easier for the defense to object in court due to speculation then it is to object on Fark due to specualtion.

Grainy videos, semantics over what a 911 operator said, at first people were all like ZIMMERMAN WASN"T EVEN QUESTIONED BY POLICE yet now we see him in a video being led away in cuffs to be interviewed.....not to mention confirmation bias on both sides.

theres holes in both sides of the story now I'm just gonna make fun of people and wait till the GJ says something.
2012-03-28 10:59:24 PM
1 votes:

100 Watt Walrus: MFAWG: One Bad Apple: On a semi serious note why isn't the cop shop footage time stamped ?

That's an interesting question. Because the less information the public has, the better off everyone is would be one guess.

If you look closely at about 1/3 of the way into the video, you can see a gray strip of text bouncing in and out of the bottom of the frame, which ABC (or someone) cut off. I'd be willing to bet it's data that includes timestamp.

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I'm actually curious how the video leaked to the press as well.
2012-03-28 10:58:40 PM
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kombat_unit: Fade2black: Funny, 2 black kids in Ohio killed a white kid on Saturday, and we're still in this liberal biatch-fest about a mexican killing a black kid.

At least we have our media driven racism in the proper priority.

It's not racist when a minority does it. It's business or societal ills.


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2012-03-28 10:58:36 PM
1 votes:
The grainy freeze-frames are awesome. You get a better view of any grainy video by watching it in motion. Still, for all the claims that this one is "grainy," the resolution isn't bad at all.

Good news for Zimmerman, though, is that he can sell his forehead skin on eBay to cover his quality legal defense fund.
2012-03-28 10:57:43 PM
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noneyourbase: Mrtraveler01: The Great EZE: I want Zimmerman to go on trial just to see if his lawyers will use the "LOOK OVER THERE!" defense like so many of our Outraged Zimmerman Defenders right now.

I don't know. It's hard to top their "he's not racist, his friends are black" defense.

It's like playing soccer with angry five year olds. First they move the goal posts, then they want to play another game.


FTFM
2012-03-28 10:57:40 PM
1 votes:
The only reason this is being discussed at all is the authority's reaction. If Zimmerman had been properly investigated and charged it would not have even become a national story.

Right now it is either a worldwide story about a killer being let off because the local authorities are racist assholes who just figured 'black kid who cares', or a worldwide story about a killer being let off because florida has an evil and insane set of laws. Those two options are both not pretty.
2012-03-28 10:57:05 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: The Great EZE: I want Zimmerman to go on trial just to see if his lawyers will use the "LOOK OVER THERE!" defense like so many of our Outraged Zimmerman Defenders right now.

I don't know. It's hard to top their "he's not racist, his friends are black" defense.


It's like playing soccer with an five year olds. First they move the goal posts, then they want to play another game.
2012-03-28 10:56:15 PM
1 votes:

Ehh: My first thought was that he doesn't look to weigh anywhere near 300 pounds. He looks fit. Also, I thought he wasn't arrested. That is all.


Being taken in doesn't mean you are arrested. I think being arrested is being charged. They can hold you for 24 hours with no charges.

If I am wrong someone will correct me as this is fark.
2012-03-28 10:55:57 PM
1 votes:

Raharu: Warthog: His nose does look broken to me, and in one of those screen shots you can see scrapes on the back of his head.

Could you Zoom and enhance for us?


Fine. Took me a little while, but here. I warn you, having this video out there could start a final count down towards things never being the same again.
2012-03-28 10:54:52 PM
1 votes:
Poor 9beers. For a guy who was sick of all this, he sure seems to come back for more. Even as things sort of seem grim in Mudville, he knows that the Great Casey will come to bat.

Seriously, if you're not getting paid to be in these threads...

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2012-03-28 10:53:29 PM
1 votes:

ChuDogg: [i43.tinypic.com image 640x313]

Anybody else see this?


Is that,,,Jesus?
2012-03-28 10:49:36 PM
1 votes:
2012-03-28 10:46:07 PM
1 votes:

ElBarto79: According to Zimmerman he was heading back to his car when Martin approached him and asked him why he was following him. This seems to be backed up by Martins girlfriend who was on the phone and heard him ask "why are you following me?"


No, her testimony directly contradicts Zimmerman's claims. She says she was talking to Martin who discussed being followed with her, then she heard him yell out "Why are you following me?" from Martin and then "What are you doing here?" from Zimmerman and then some sounds and the call cuts off. That conversation is completely different from what Zimmerman claims. He says that the confrontation started when Martin sneaked up behind him and said "Do you have a problem?" to which he replied "No." and Martin said something like "You do now" and punched him. These two conversations are complete different. Based on Zimmerman's claims we can exclude the notion that both exchanges happened since he says the first words are "Do you have a problem?". According to the girlfriend Martin was actively talking on the phone with her from the point he was first being followed by Zimmerman in his car up until the altercation started and the call cut out. That would contradict Zimmerman's claim that he was sneaked up on by Martin since Zimmerman would have heard him talking on the phone.
2012-03-28 10:45:32 PM
1 votes:
It occurs to me (since I just posted it in the other thread) that if I'd just killed a guy and was injured and bleeding, I wouldn't be worrying too much about how my clothes looked. I'd wipe my hands and my nose and my head all over my shirt. Yet this guy is spotless.

Plus he got a broken nose, but there's not one spot of blood on his shirt? Not even a little?
2012-03-28 10:44:40 PM
1 votes:

Ace Rimmer: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Ace Rimmer: But, where are the grass stains?

This is my issue with the video. Unless we are to throw out two eyewitness testimonies that the two were scuffling in the grass, there is something off.

Didn't one of the police officers specifically say Zimmerman had grass stains on his back?


Video evidence tends to trump eyewitness evidence.
2012-03-28 10:41:58 PM
1 votes:

hourheroyes: Rincewind53: badhatharry: [29.media.tumblr.com image 400x300]

http://i.imgur.com/14Es0.jpg

Are you a seal master?!


i.imgur.com
2012-03-28 10:41:14 PM
1 votes:

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Who's the liberal cumquat that keeps posting these stupid headlines?

Racism racism racism!!!

I'm sick of this crap.

I don't care about some delinquent that got shot or the the guy that shot him. Yes I think Martin was in the wrong and so was zim. Shoot them both. This isn't a race issue. No no no it isn't. Yes I hear you. Sorry, it still isn't.


Yes it is.

/Sorry real life makes you sick.
//Twat.
2012-03-28 10:41:01 PM
1 votes:
Let's try a hypothetical scenario. I'm following someone I saw snooping around my neighbors house, the guy gets pissed and starts coming after me with a baseball bat. Am I supposed to just stand there and get beat to death? If I pull out a gun and shoot the guy am I guilty of murder or is it self defense? What a lot of people seem to be saying is that it doesn't matter what happened in the fight because Zimmerman started it by following him. This is really a ridiculous statement, if your life is in danger you are justified in defending yourself.

Why invent the baseball bat? Because it sounds ridiculous when it's an unarmed kid who is much thinner than the other guy, we know. Look, here's the thing. We know for a fact Zimmerman was chasing and Martin was running. Zimmerman's claim is that this situation reversed but there is no evidence to back that up aside from his claim. We don't know who struck first.

Maybe that is enough for reasonable doubt in a courtroom, and if that's the case that's the case. But to me, Zimmerman is the only with a history of violence against police and women. Martin has no similar history of violence. I'm gonna assume the violent, armed guy is the one more likely to start a fight, not that some kid who was running scared randomly turned to confront a bigger man when all he had to do was keep running home and get his dad.

He may get off, and that's how the system works, but I don't buy Zimmerman's story at all.
2012-03-28 10:38:06 PM
1 votes:

CornDog in 2012: Fubar: Just showed my dad the video. His response?

"I don't think that's him"

Is it your bedtime yet?


Ooh clever, let me lower the bar a little...

Not according to your mom.
2012-03-28 10:37:28 PM
1 votes:
No grass stains. No bandages. No blood. Barely any signs of a struggle.

No signs of a struggle on Martin. Martin was found face down with his arms beneath him.

Someone's got some 'splainin to do.
2012-03-28 10:37:02 PM
1 votes:

Rincewind53: badhatharry: [29.media.tumblr.com image 400x300]

FTFM


i.imgur.com
2012-03-28 10:35:47 PM
1 votes:
So why aren't we talking about the dozens of black teens that looted a Miami Walgreens today in what they called a "Treyvon Martin protest"? You know, I haven't even seen this reported on TV today, why do you think that is?
2012-03-28 10:34:38 PM
1 votes:

Rodeodoc: GAT_00: Plus the GOP is actually supporting Zimmerman for murdering the kid. In every way, this needs to be an issue.

You are completely full of crap. Nice troll, asshat, but there is no support for this thug except among his own little group of self appointed terrorists. Go fark yourself. The last thing this situation needs is knuckle dragging trolls like you making it a GOP/Dem issue. Fark you.


Back atcha.

You seem ... passionately defensive about this, Doc. Why might that be?
2012-03-28 10:33:23 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-03-28 10:32:23 PM
1 votes:
2012-03-28 10:32:09 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Mrtraveler01: So these aren't racist?

How is reposting a picture racist? In that case it wasn't Martin but just posting a picture you believe to be somebody isn't racist.


i.imgur.com
2012-03-28 10:31:48 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Mrtraveler01: So these aren't racist?

How is reposting a picture racist? In that case it wasn't Martin but just posting a picture you believe to be somebody isn't racist.


Well for one, that's not even Martin. They were just eager to paint him as a thug.

So yeah...it's hard to believe there wasn't a motive behind reposting pics that weren't Trayvon Martin and saying they were pics of Treyvon Martin.
2012-03-28 10:31:14 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
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i.imgur.com
2012-03-28 10:30:55 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Mrtraveler01: So these aren't racist?

How is reposting a picture racist? In that case it wasn't Martin but just posting a picture you believe to be somebody isn't racist.


If you can't tell two black people apart when pictured side by side, you might be a racist.
2012-03-28 10:28:09 PM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: I Said: Cleaned up by the cops or not, I expect massive dark spots on his shirt at the very least.

I'm sure plenty of people here have been in fights. I have too, and never did I feel my life was threatened, but gashes on the head and a broken nose bleed profusely when they happen.

so do people when they're shot and they're supposedly on top of you.
you'd think if that was the case that trayvon would have collapsed on top of him and he'd have trayvon's blood on him


I completely forgot that point as well. The only way all of his and the cops stories check out is if the video at the police station was taken after Zimmerman was tended to by EMT's, showered, changed his clothes, and didn't have any large swelling or need bandages on his head.
2012-03-28 10:27:39 PM
1 votes:

gaspode: SithLord: You know, maybe perhaps Zimmerman received some on-scene medical treatment to fix the cuts on the back of his head and blood-stained clothes were removed for evidence and permitted to change before being taken into custody?

Blood-stained clothes are not going to be kept on a person for chance of evidence or sanitation purposes. Why would someone continue to wear blood-stained clothes for THEIR own and the cops own safety from bodily fluids.

But CSI: Fark has already decided Zimmerman is guilty.

He still has his red jacket (prominently mentioned in the incident) on, and there is zero reason to imagine he hasn't got the rest of his clothes one except for wanting to imagine it.


Don't you know? In Florida cops give you a whole new wardrobe prior to questioning! Wouldn't want you to feel self conscious while being questioned!
2012-03-28 10:25:02 PM
1 votes:

SithLord: You know, maybe perhaps Zimmerman received some on-scene medical treatment to fix the cuts on the back of his head and blood-stained clothes were removed for evidence and permitted to change before being taken into custody?

Blood-stained clothes are not going to be kept on a person for chance of evidence or sanitation purposes. Why would someone continue to wear blood-stained clothes for THEIR own and the cops own safety from bodily fluids.

But CSI: Fark has already decided Zimmerman is guilty.


He still has his red jacket (prominently mentioned in the incident) on, and there is zero reason to imagine he hasn't got the rest of his clothes one except for wanting to imagine it.
2012-03-28 10:24:08 PM
1 votes:

CornDog in 2012: So if this turns Out like the duke case, will everyone apologize?


If it turns out Martin was actually lying about being raped I will be the first to apologize.

Yes, I think if some concrete evidence pops up that clears Zimmerman, however unlikely I think that is, most people like myself who think he's dead f*cking guilty will have a strong moment of reflection.

But a LOT has to happen. You need to start with evidence that Zimmerman wasn't stalking the kid. THEN prove that, using the same "self defense" argument, that Treyvon attacked first AND didn't do so in self defense, but as an aggressor. THEN there needs to be evidence that Zimmerman shot Treyvon in clear self defense.

Right now, however, the only objective evidence (tapes and eyewitnesses and a cop who wanted to press charges) backs up the "theory" that Zimmerman stalked Martin, against the orders of the police, with a gun, confronted him, shot and killed him, and did not look like a man who was in a fight for his life mere moments after the cops took him in.
2012-03-28 10:24:00 PM
1 votes:

freetomato: RexTalionis: I was lead to believe that he was morbidly obese. That guy doesn't look morbidly obese.

Naw, he's just a ham-head.


Hey! BE NICE TO HAM!


/mmmmm, ham..
2012-03-28 10:23:40 PM
1 votes:
LouDobbsAwaaaayIf he was treated for head wounds, he would have bandages.

right, EMT would have treated every little injury if only for liability purposes.

this story is falling faster that a catholic girls prom dress
2012-03-28 10:23:10 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Mrtraveler01: But they're in no way racist...

You know dude, you're kind of dimwitted with all your racist talk. I decided to go over to Strormfront to see how real racists are reacting to this and guess what, the only thing they're concerned about is Zimmerman being labeled as white. They couldn't give a fark less that a Hispanic might be accused of killing a black. So see buddy, you're kind of a fool because white racists don't give a fark about anything other than other white people.

The real racists in this are people pulling the race card. You know, about 99% of the black population and most Farkers.


So these aren't racist?

i5.photobucket.com

www.christandpopculture.com
2012-03-28 10:23:04 PM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: I was lead to believe that he was morbidly obese. That guy doesn't look morbidly obese.


Naw, he's just a ham-head.
2012-03-28 10:23:04 PM
1 votes:
I bet he is not digging that this tape is out there.


It does nothing to help his claim of self defense at all. He is probably crapping his pants right about now.
2012-03-28 10:23:02 PM
1 votes:

CrAz3D: grainy video that shows basically grainy grain-like grains. DEFINITELY proof of X.


It shows the injuries to his head were not severe enough for the paramedics to even give him a band-aid.
2012-03-28 10:22:49 PM
1 votes:

9beers: Mrtraveler01: But they're in no way racist...

You know dude, you're kind of dimwitted with all your racist talk. I decided to go over to Strormfront to see how real racists are reacting to this and guess what, the only thing they're concerned about is Zimmerman being labeled as white. They couldn't give a fark less that a Hispanic might be accused of killing a black. So see buddy, you're kind of a fool because white racists don't give a fark about anything other than other white people.

The real racists in this are people pulling the race card. You know, about 99% of the black population and most Farkers.


You want racist? Just this morning as I was noshing on a bagel at Panera I overheard two guys in the booth behind me. " So, all that Mexican dude did was basically deprive some fat white girl of a possible baby daddy."

/bagels farking hurt when projected out of your nostrils.
2012-03-28 10:22:24 PM
1 votes:
New York Daily News

FTFA: The security camera footage shot inside the police station directly contradicts a police report written that night.

"I could observe his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground," Officer Timothy Smith wrote after the shooting Feb. 26.

"Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head," the officer wrote.


Any questions? Anyone? Bueller?
2012-03-28 10:20:35 PM
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: His defense is based entirely on the assumption that he was attacked, which no longer seems possible given the evidence. He claims he sustained injuries he doesn't have.


I think Zimmerman is guilty of some crime at least, but that said, please point out which of those 240p pixels indicate he doesn't have injuries. I can barely make out he has an eye color let alone if there is a cut head or bent nose with blood. Please, post a screen shot of some jagged pixels and try to say that's straight.

Justice needs to be done but getting all excited and making shiat up isn't helping.
2012-03-28 10:20:02 PM
1 votes:

I Said: but gashes on the head and a broken nose bleed profusely when they happen.


THIS. People are talking about on-site medical attention like there's a holy grail from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade in the back of every ambulance. If he was treated for head wounds, he would have bandages.
2012-03-28 10:16:56 PM
1 votes:

SithLord: You know, maybe perhaps Zimmerman received some on-scene medical treatment to fix the cuts on the back of his head and blood-stained clothes were removed for evidence and permitted to change before being taken into custody?

Blood-stained clothes are not going to be kept on a person for chance of evidence or sanitation purposes. Why would someone continue to wear blood-stained clothes for THEIR own and the cops own safety from bodily fluids.

But CSI: Fark has already decided Zimmerman is guilty.


His defense is based entirely on the assumption that he was attacked, which no longer seems possible given the evidence. He claims he sustained injuries he doesn't have.

The amount to which some people are willing to extend him the benefit of the doubt, in the face of evidence of his obvious lies, is absurd. He lied about his injuries, which means he lied about being attacked, which means he murdered Trayvon Martin.
2012-03-28 10:16:44 PM
1 votes:

Ace Rimmer: But, where are the grass stains?


This is my issue with the video. Unless we are to throw out two eyewitness testimonies that the two were scuffling in the grass, there is something off.
2012-03-28 10:16:18 PM
1 votes:
Well that's not going to help him in court.
2012-03-28 10:16:15 PM
1 votes:
SithLord : You know, maybe perhaps Zimmerman received some on-scene medical treatment to fix the cuts on the back of his head and blood-stained clothes were removed for evidence and permitted to change before being taken into custody?

Blood-stained clothes are not going to be kept on a person for chance of evidence or sanitation purposes. Why would someone continue to wear blood-stained clothes for THEIR own and the cops own safety from bodily fluids.

But CSI: Fark has already decided Zimmerman is guilty.


you've never seen a mug shot thread I guess, the clothes Zimmerman is wearing are consistent with the clothes described in the police report and no, the police don't let you go home and change first
2012-03-28 10:14:44 PM
1 votes:

robsul82: Doesn't seem to be any grass stains on his clothes either. I can believe in EMTs with healing powers +15, I'm not sure if I believe EMTs come equipped with club soda.


Yeah, that's the part that bothers me about the video. Can't really tell if the nose is broke. There is some kind of black line on the back of his head that could be a cut or a crappy shave job. But, where are the grass stains? There is no doubt they aren't present in the video.

The other part that bothers me is the lackadaisical attitude. You're escorting a prisoner who just shot someone for farks sake take your hands out of your damn pocket Officer Fatso!

Definitively gives a lot of credence to the idea the Sanford PD is incompetent.
2012-03-28 10:12:42 PM
1 votes:
I think that this situation is bullshiat. That said, a lot of stuff people are saying about Zimmerman isn't true, and even if this is murder (I believe it's manslaughter at least) if you think you can make out whether he's hurt or not from that grainy video, you're a liar. I don't give a shiat if you watched it on CNN HD. So did I, and just because it says "HD" doesn't magically make the grainy surveillance video higher resolution. You can't tell from that video and if you think you can, your mind is playing tricks on you. The guy should be tried for manslaughter but you armchair quarterbacks don't know any better than anyone else at this point for sure.
2012-03-28 10:12:24 PM
1 votes:

The_Six_Fingered_Man: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Trayvon Martin was murdered by George Zimmerman. Case closed.

FRY HIM! Who cares about a trial!?!!


I do. Bring it on. But they still need to arrest him first.
2012-03-28 10:11:56 PM
1 votes:

SoCalSurfer: Omfg, he should get off just to spite everyone. How many stories can we have today about this?


Anti-trolling anti-trolling rating: 1.0.0.108.x
2012-03-28 10:11:48 PM
1 votes:

Threadslayer: Thunderpipes: eraser8: Thunderpipes: Police reports and evidence. Unlike the liberal morons who base everything off crying and wah wah and guilt.

The police report -- other than recording Zimmerman's claims -- had nothing in it that would tend to justify your accusation against Martin.

So, what is this "evidence" that you have?

Zimmerman's statement, his injuries, and eye witness testimoney. What is your evidence that NO_LIMIT_* was a perfect little angel? Oh, nothing but speculation?

At first glance, lack of visible physical injury might SEEM like fact or evidence. But it's not. Thunderpipes will now explain why....


Don't forget he had to throw the "No Limit" part in there.

Because that helps reinforce the narrative that Martin was nothing but a delinquent thug and that Zimmerman did a service to the community by shooting him.

But they're in no way racist...
2012-03-28 10:11:41 PM
1 votes:
I don't know the facts yet (Nor does anyone really)--but I worked ER for a number of years--and typically when someone showed up, they had already been treated at scene by first responders. One, cops don't like blood in their seat, two cops don't like lawsuits about possible concussions not treated/inspect at scene and three until you know someone's guilt it's the right thing to do (treat/triage).

The cop looks at the back of his head for a moment, which could have easily been cleaned/coagulated dark by that time and not show up on this video.

Still, he certainly does not look as rough as the descriptions--so guess back to waiting for more evidence/facts.
2012-03-28 10:08:09 PM
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: I still can't understand why he hasn't been arrested. He's recorded on the 911 call as saying he's in his car following the kid. He's told not to do that. The fact that he even ends up outside his car near the kid in a position to feel "threatened" means he put himself there. That should be all it takes to remove the Stand Your Ground defense.


dingdingding! the little things mean a lot. it will take time but justice will be served.
2012-03-28 10:07:57 PM
1 votes:

DavidVincent: Snuffybud: DavidVincent: [johnhicks.com image 169x213]

"Would you let us collect the evidence, ma'am?"

Get the fark out of here, you multi-alt troll. We outed you last night, do we have to do it again?

I don't have an alt. It wouldn't matter one iota I did.


You posted as Scerpes, then corrected yourself as DavidVincent. There's a special place in Fark hell for people like you. Maybe you should pay attention to who you are logged in as.

i1199.photobucket.com
2012-03-28 10:07:41 PM
1 votes:
The only thing that is interesting about this is the lack of grass stains, despite the eyewitness testimony of two individuals who saw the two engaged in a scuffle in the grass. Odd.

Well, ok, not the ONLY thing, but the only thing that was corroborated by third parties.
2012-03-28 10:03:06 PM
1 votes:

Some Random Fat Guy: elffster: Anddddd we're green.

Everyone DERP!

You couldn't have timed that post any better. DerpStorm Category 5 swirled in immediately afterwards.


I haz DSP
2012-03-28 10:01:18 PM
1 votes:
Po-po dad just asked why the cops aren't wearing gloves and they're looking in his pockets at the station. But that's Jersey, maybe Florida's way different.
2012-03-28 09:59:38 PM
1 votes:
2012-03-28 09:58:03 PM
1 votes:

frostdillicus: cameroncrazy1984: elffster: I wonder how many comments the defenders of derp will have plastered in here by noon tomorrow? anyone care to guess?

If there was a real number less than zero, that would be it.

There are in fact an infinite amount of real numbers less than zero.

/just sayin...


Dammit. Should've said integer?

/math was never my strong suit.
2012-03-28 09:56:50 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: elffster: I wonder how many comments the defenders of derp will have plastered in here by noon tomorrow? anyone care to guess?

If there was a real number less than zero, that would be it.


There are in fact an infinite amount of real numbers less than zero.

/just sayin...
2012-03-28 09:55:57 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Roook: Wow. Wasn't he supposed to have a broken nose also?

That would be the medical attention he claimed he needed.


Mostly for the lulz I will point out that cops don't generally like bleeding people in their cars. It is possible that his injuries were treated at the scene and then he was cuffed and stuffed. Anyone needing the medical attention that Zimmerman claimed would be brought to the ER (or treated by EMS) before being brought to the cop shop for booking/statement.



On a semi serious note why isn't the cop shop footage time stamped ?
2012-03-28 09:54:36 PM
1 votes:

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Who's the liberal cumquat that keeps posting these stupid headlines?


Seriously?
2012-03-28 09:51:52 PM
1 votes:

9beers: New thread!!!!!! Hahaha this shiat is awesome. Somebody call Florida and tell them not to bother with a grand jury because Fark has this shiat all figured out.

George Zimmerman has not been charged with a crime because there is not evidence that he committed any.

Fark makes money based on page views, right?


I thought you already decided to get him a Medal right?
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Kid had it coming anyway.
2012-03-28 09:51:49 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: CrAz3D: grainy video that shows basically grainy grain-like grains. DEFINITELY proof of X.

Yes, you can ALMOST make out a person!


/get your eyes checked.


Can you tell his nose is broken from that video? No. Can you tell that his nose is fine? No.

This video is basically useless, save for noting that the cop inspects Z's head and also wipes his hands after touching Z's clothing.
2012-03-28 09:51:30 PM
1 votes:

DavidVincent: [johnhicks.com image 169x213]

"Would you let us collect the evidence, ma'am?"


Get the fark out of here, you multi-alt troll. We outed you last night, do we have to do it again?
2012-03-28 09:47:57 PM
1 votes:
I don't see a way that this case can be settled and not have some group really miffed.

I would have thought that there would have been much more info on Zimmerman being attacked at the very beginning if that is really what happened. It seems like that is a new development.
2012-03-28 09:47:13 PM
1 votes:
Who's the liberal cumquat that keeps posting these stupid headlines?

Racism racism racism!!!

I'm sick of this crap.

I don't care about some delinquent that got shot or the the guy that shot him. Yes I think Martin was in the wrong and so was zim. Shoot them both. This isn't a race issue. No no no it isn't. Yes I hear you. Sorry, it still isn't.
2012-03-28 09:47:03 PM
1 votes:
So the lottery is up to over 500 mil

Who do you think is gonna win?

What would you do with all that money?

I personally would kick the mod who keeps greenlighting this crap right in the nuts
2012-03-28 09:46:23 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: CrAz3D: grainy video that shows basically grainy grain-like grains. DEFINITELY proof of X.

*facepalm*


He wins the first derp award: a FOX hoodie and a bag of skittles. He has to walk to the store to get tea.
2012-03-28 09:46:12 PM
1 votes:

MBK: robsul82: I'm sorry, but the kid was suspended for marijuana.

MARIJUANA, people.

AND HE HAD A SCREWDRIVER!

Why wasn't he executed in his high school's playground!?


He forgot his hoodie at home that day.
2012-03-28 09:44:50 PM
1 votes:
New thread!!!!!! Hahaha this shiat is awesome. Somebody call Florida and tell them not to bother with a grand jury because Fark has this shiat all figured out.

George Zimmerman has not been charged with a crime because there is not evidence that he committed any.

Fark makes money based on page views, right?
2012-03-28 09:43:16 PM
1 votes:

CrAz3D: grainy video that shows basically grainy grain-like grains. DEFINITELY proof of X.


Yes, you can ALMOST make out a person!


/get your eyes checked.
2012-03-28 09:39:28 PM
1 votes:

DeltaPunch: Zimmerman also had domestic violence charges conviction that had to be expunged to get his CCW permit back in 2006, including fighting with a policeman.

But you know, Trayvon got suspended from school once, plus he was wearing a hoodie so he clearly deserved to be shot... can we PLEASE just move on folks?!?


FTFY.

This whole thing is really unraveling on the local cop shop, isn't it?
2012-03-28 09:37:22 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: DeltaPunch: Zimmerman also had domestic violence charges back in 2006, including fighting with a policeman.

But you know, Trayvon got suspended from school once, plus he was wearing a hoodie so he clearly deserved to be shot... can we PLEASE just move on folks?!?

We can move on when he's charged with murder. Plus the GOP is actually supporting Zimmerman for murdering the kid. In every way, this needs to be an issue.


Was gonna reply nearly word for word what you wrote, so instead, I'll just say THIS.
2012-03-28 09:36:17 PM
1 votes:
Is that a butt crack on his head?
2012-03-28 09:35:55 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: Earguy: Oh boy, this could be big.

Yep. It looks more and more like a shiaty coverup by the police trying to hide the fact that they just assumed it was another dead black kid and nobody would even notice.


Except the police wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter.
2012-03-28 09:30:01 PM
1 votes:
Pretty good EMTs who didn't even need bandages on a head wound that Zimmerman's lawyer said "nearly required stitches." However, it's pretty standard that after medical attention, a broken nose won't look farked up at all. EVERYONE knows that.
2012-03-28 09:27:29 PM
1 votes:

elffster: I wonder how many comments the defenders of derp will have plastered in here by noon tomorrow? anyone care to guess?


There won't be many. They'll have to get the talking points first.
2012-03-28 09:25:50 PM
1 votes:
I wonder how many comments the defenders of derp will have plastered in here by noon tomorrow? anyone care to guess?
2012-03-28 09:07:11 PM
1 votes:
Well, bye cameroncrazy1984.

/can I have your stuff?
2012-03-28 08:58:41 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: Earguy: Oh boy, this could be big.

Yep. It looks more and more like a shiaty coverup by the police trying to hide the fact that they just assumed it was another dead black kid and nobody would even notice.


Uh yeah.
2012-03-28 08:16:37 PM
1 votes:
Bu...bu...why would Zimmerman lie to us!? It's not like his very freedom depended on it.
2012-03-28 07:53:11 PM
1 votes:

Roook: Wow. Wasn't he supposed to have a broken nose also?


Yep. Shocking that he doesn't! Absolutely shocking!
2012-03-28 07:46:27 PM
1 votes:
He even has a shaved head. Didn't he say his was bounced off the concrete a few times? You'd think he would have some cuts or bruises. I just watched it on CNN HD, and I could see nothing.
 
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