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(ABC)   George Zimmerman on video after the shooting. Funny, those massive head injuries seem to have healed fast, and where's all the blood that should have stained his shirt from shooting someone who was on top of him?   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 1167
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2012-03-29 05:51:30 PM

Purdue_Pete: So.... we still don't know. This "could" be a pretty nasty gash. It's also a crappy grainy, low-res security cam, so this won't even hold up in court. It proves nothing. However, if this was just a couple of weeks ago - there's still a scar, right?

[dailycaller.com image 352x525]


Enhanced image?

www.howtogeek.com
 
2012-03-29 05:52:13 PM

Degenz: For a guy who had only minutes before engaged in a violent physical altercation to the extent he was in fear of his life you'd think his shirt would at least not be tucked in.


Maybe it's a onesie.
 
2012-03-29 05:54:16 PM

The Token Man: The evidence is the dead kid. Self defense is an affirmative defense. The burden of proof is on the person claiming self defense.


That's not how it works in cases like this under Florida law. Basically once you claim self defense, it's up to authorities to prove it wasn't.
 
2012-03-29 05:59:38 PM

CrAz3D: gameshowhost: CrAz3D: grainy video that shows basically grainy grain-like grains. DEFINITELY proof of X.

Even though I knew ~some~ idiot was going to proclaim this, I just wanted to congratulate you for being the first idiot.

/also: 'watch stuff' in your lcd's native resolution so you can 'see stuff'

I was. Nevertheless, the video isn't clear enough to show bruising or swelling that might have existed. Further, the video isn't clear enough to show whether there was blood under his nose or whether his nose was broken (aint no xray video).


lacrossestar83: CrAz3D: eurotrader: GAT_00 [TotalFark]

Do you ever comment in threads you don't submit?

I have not submitted a thread in months. Working on a project right now that a break is needed about every half hour of so. I think you may have seen my other posts today. I am not opposed to fixing health care; just the method employed by Obamacare does not really fix anything and makes somethings worse. I think the US should have some sort of true public health system and it could have been done for less money with full coverage for all. The argument solely based on who gets credit is idiotic when merits and method of solving lack of health care for all should be the starting point. With the mood on both sides I do not see it happening on any issue anytime soon.

Still irritated when given the chance for an enormous good for the country it was squandered because special interests and lobbyists and now another 10 years will have to pass to try to fix it. While I did not vote for Obama after he won I thought the weed thing, gay marriage, health care and civil liberties would at least head in the right direction, with the exception of maybe health care for some it has gotten worse than the nonsense Bush did

Last paragraph = comedy gold.

RON PAUL!
Do I know you or are you just speculating that I'm a Paul supporter?
/even if I think some of his domestic policy is a little nuts (e.g., eliminated ed dept)
//I fully support his foreign policy, that's what turned me on to him


I was speculating that the "comedy gold" you pointed out was Paulbot-like typing. I apologize for not making that as clear as I could have.
 
2012-03-29 06:09:02 PM

relcec: Phinn: tirob: if an adult approaches an unaccompanied juvenile whom he doesn't know, he could get charged with disorderly conduct

You are saying that, according to your inestimable legal acumen, merely by approaching these teenagers, unaccompanied as they were by an adult, I committed a crime, such that if one of them had asked me if I had a problem, then said. "You do now" and hit me, that I would have been the aggressor, and legally prevented from using force to defend myself against the attack.

If so, by what operative legal principle did you arrive at this conclusion, Mr. Justice Tirob?

you can't really be this dumb.
I don't believe you really can't see a difference between trayvon martin lawfully walking home and then being followed in a car, then chased on foot across dark streets and backyards, those and random people trespassing on your property.
no one can be this stupid.


To me, Phinn in his post seemed to assume, for one or another reason, that Martin was either a trespasser or that his rights on the grounds of the gated community were no better than those of a trespasser.
 
2012-03-29 06:13:19 PM

9beers: GreatGlavinsGhost: No one is going to charge the son of a former magistrate with diddly squat.

Stop preparing your excuses. If he isn't charged, it will be because no evidence exists that he committed a crime.


I do not know what you mean by the bolded section above. Also, if he isn't charged, how can you be sure that it isn't because no evidence was taken at the crime scene?

Oh, and I fear he was able to avoid being arrested because his papa was a former magistrate. But, I admit, I don't know what the hell is going on. It just seems strange to me that someone can shoot another person and a full investigation isn't conducted.

Don't you find that strange? That a full investigation has yet to be conducted?
 
2012-03-29 06:25:14 PM
So.. I read all of this.. all these comments.. all of this vitriol, some clever and witty.. some dumb and trolling.. (The interwebs is looking at you Thunderpipes {why would you use a nickname like that anyways}) And all that really comes to mind is this

Link (new window)

I think it would be funny if George made this his main argument in his defence... And add an IRONIC tag that its by a "black" artist.

/shamelessly awaits the interwebs response
 
2012-03-29 06:38:27 PM

GreatGlavinsGhost: That a full investigation has yet to be conducted?


You sure about that? No, I mean really sure about that? I'll tell you what, do some research and get back with me on your claim that no investigation took place.
 
2012-03-29 06:55:46 PM

gunther_bumpass: Degenz: For a guy who had only minutes before engaged in a violent physical altercation to the extent he was in fear of his life you'd think his shirt would at least not be tucked in.

Maybe it's a onesie.


Haha! That's almost as funny as the cops letting him change clothes before going to the station.
 
2012-03-29 07:10:27 PM
i44.tinypic.com

Nope, no injury there at all. Link (new window)
 
2012-03-29 07:15:21 PM

9beers: The Token Man: The evidence is the dead kid. Self defense is an affirmative defense. The burden of proof is on the person claiming self defense.

That's not how it works in cases like this under Florida law. Basically once you claim self defense, it's up to authorities to prove it wasn't.


Actually that is how it works. Unlike protecting your home and property, there is no presumption deadly force is justifiable in these circumstances.

CHAPTER 776 - JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE (new window)

Haven't you spewed enough derp on this subject already?
 
2012-03-29 07:18:57 PM

Degenz: Actually that is how it works.


Reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it?
 
2012-03-29 07:19:49 PM

9beers: [i44.tinypic.com image 383x358]

Nope, no injury there at all. Link (new window)


So that's the injury he sustained that made him so fearful for his life he had no choice but to kill another human? I've had mosquito bites bigger than that.
 
2012-03-29 07:21:36 PM

Thrag: So that's the injury he sustained that made him so fearful for his life he had no choice but to kill another human? I've had mosquito bites bigger than that.


Keep moving those goal posts.
 
2012-03-29 07:24:58 PM

9beers: Degenz: Actually that is how it works.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it?


You know how I know you don't know what the f*ck you are talking about?
 
2012-03-29 07:30:30 PM

9beers: Thrag: So that's the injury he sustained that made him so fearful for his life he had no choice but to kill another human? I've had mosquito bites bigger than that.

Keep moving those goal posts.


Moving the goal posts? Isn't that your job? Like how one day you insist he was "pummeled" and the next day you try to say that absolutely nobody ever claimed any such thing.

Sorry, no goal posts have been moved. I never said he absolutely had no injuries at all. I've said that he showed no visible signs of the major injuries that would have been sustained if his story were true. His condition on the tapes make his story of have his nose broken, face pummeled and head repeatedly beaten against a sidewalk seem more and more suspect. A minor scrape on the back of the head is hardly consistent with the stories of a vicious beating that the Zimmerman camp keep making up.
 
2012-03-29 07:30:55 PM

Degenz: You know how I know you don't know what the f*ck you are talking about?


So you're saying that upon arriving at the scene and Zimmerman claiming self defense, Florida law doesn't prevent them from making an arrest without evidence that it's something else? Yeah, you better go back and read the statutes again.
 
2012-03-29 07:31:12 PM

Degenz: 9beers: Degenz: Actually that is how it works.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it?

You know how I know you don't know what the f*ck you are talking about?


Because he's a Christmas troll?
 
2012-03-29 07:40:42 PM

Thrag: Moving the goal posts? Isn't that your job? Like how one day you insist he was "pummeled" and the next day you try to say that absolutely nobody ever claimed any such thing.


He was pummeled, doesn't mean he took 50 shots to the face. If what is being reported is true, Zimmerman told investigators that he was sucker punched once in the nose. That doesn't mean that Martin wasn't throwing a bunch of punches that Zimmerman was blocking and righting off.
 
2012-03-29 07:43:06 PM

Thrag: His condition on the tapes make his story of have his nose broken,


You can tell his nose isn't broken from that video? Are you a wizard?
 
2012-03-29 07:45:34 PM

9beers: Thrag: Moving the goal posts? Isn't that your job? Like how one day you insist he was "pummeled" and the next day you try to say that absolutely nobody ever claimed any such thing.

He was pummeled, doesn't mean he took 50 shots to the face. If what is being reported is true, Zimmerman told investigators that he was sucker punched once in the nose. That doesn't mean that Martin wasn't throwing a bunch of punches that Zimmerman was blocking and righting off.


And watch those goalposts move! You do realize that all your insane statement from the last several days are still here, right?

Your latest assumptions are in direct contradiction to Zimmerman's father's statements about the fight. How could Zimmerman block the punches when his claims are that his arms were pinned down by Martin.
 
2012-03-29 07:48:18 PM

9beers: Thrag: His condition on the tapes make his story of have his nose broken,

You can tell his nose isn't broken from that video? Are you a wizard?


The video doesn't prove his nose wasn't broken, but it does show someone who does not in any way look like they've been in a fight which calls into question Zimmerman's version of events.

I'll leave the wizardry to you and you amazing ability to see a small dark spot and diagnose it as such a horrible injury that is required stitches and made a man fear for his life so badly he had to take the life of another human being.
 
2012-03-29 07:51:02 PM

Thrag: Your latest assumptions are in direct contradiction to Zimmerman's father's statements about the fight.


So now Zimmerman's father is the expert on what happened? Did I ever say that I believed his account? I think it's highly possible that he got caught up in the moment and was saying whatever he thought would help his son the most.

Hey have you seen the most recent picture of Zimmerman, just released minutes ago?

i39.tinypic.com
 
2012-03-29 07:52:09 PM

Thrag: but it does show someone who does not in any way look like they've been in a fight


So most people walk around with a big hole in the back of their head? Got it, thanks.
 
2012-03-29 08:03:58 PM

9beers: Degenz: You know how I know you don't know what the f*ck you are talking about?

So you're saying that upon arriving at the scene and Zimmerman claiming self defense, Florida law doesn't prevent them from making an arrest without evidence that it's something else? Yeah, you better go back and read the statutes again.


Motherf*cker you really are retarded aren't you? There is nothing in that law that says the police can't arrest and charge anyone under these exact same circumstances. Where in the f*ck did you get such an asinine idea?

An affirmative defense does not mean you just say "he came at me, bro" and your story is automatically deemed credible. It does not mean you can't be arrested and charged. Moreover, 776.012 (the so called Stand Your Ground portion) specifically omits the language used in 776.013: A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm that places the burden of proof on the government.

How old are you, 12?

SN1987a goes boom: Degenz: 9beers: Degenz: Actually that is how it works.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it?

You know how I know you don't know what the f*ck you are talking about?

Because he's a Christmas troll?


And can't finish a 12 pack.
 
2012-03-29 08:16:12 PM

Thrag: 9beers: Thrag: His condition on the tapes make his story of have his nose broken,

You can tell his nose isn't broken from that video? Are you a wizard?

The video doesn't prove his nose wasn't broken, but it does show someone who does not in any way look like they've been in a fight which calls into question Zimmerman's version of events.

I'll leave the wizardry to you and you amazing ability to see a small dark spot and diagnose it as such a horrible injury that is required stitches and made a man fear for his life so badly he had to take the life of another human being.


You have never been in a fight I see. Got a nasty punch to the eye once, cut only about 1/2 an inch long under the eye. Bled pretty good. Cleaned up, just looked a little puffy and like a scratch.

Next day, entire face was black and eye was swollen completely shut.

Please keep your idiotic doctor opinions to yourself.

Just scary to know racists can circumvent the justice system at will. Just wait until a black dude gets thrown in jail because some KKK guys got emo.
 
2012-03-29 08:16:58 PM

Degenz: How old are you, 12?


You're an idiot.

(2)A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
 
2012-03-29 08:21:25 PM

9beers: So now Zimmerman's father is the expert on what happened?


His father is relating Zimmerman's account.

Did I ever say that I believed his account?

Uh, yes. You've spend several days insisting Zimmerman's story is true.

I think it's highly possible that he got caught up in the moment and was saying whatever he thought would help his son the most.

Yes, he was, just like Zimmerman was when he made his laughable claims of how Martin attacked him.
 
2012-03-29 08:23:05 PM

9beers: So most people walk around with a big hole in the back of their head? Got it, thanks.


I'm sorry, where exactly do you see a "big hole"? You showed a picture that has a small unidentified black mark.
 
2012-03-29 08:27:57 PM
GD ti stop spamming shiat with your retarded walrus pictures, you've gotten tot he point of massive repetition, welcome to my ignore list...
 
2012-03-29 08:56:30 PM

9beers: [i44.tinypic.com image 383x358]

Nope, no injury there at all. Link (new window)


This video capture, if it is genuine, shows only that Zimmerman had an injury to the back of his head by the time he got to the police station. It is not by itself necessarily evidence that he sustained that injury during his fight with Martin.
 
2012-03-29 08:58:31 PM

relcec: you have an affirmative right to use reasonable force to remove trespassers. they are acting unlawfully, they don;t have the right to attack you for you using reasonable force to remove them.
trayvon had the right to use force to meet what would appear to be an imminent threat to any rational individual in the same circumstances.

please tell me you are trolling.
please tell me you aren't so stupid you can't see how and why the legal system allows a legal defense for actions in self defense for the lawful and innocent trayvons of the world and none to the random tresspassers of the world.



tirob: You had a right to approach them.

Your example, however, is inapposite to the Zimmerman-Martin confrontation. By a mile. The teenagers on your property were trespassers. And hiding from the cops. Martin was an invitee on the property where Zimmerman was "patrolling," or at least he was an invitee on its common grounds, and there is no evidence that he was trying to evade the cops when Zimmerman approached him.



You have both missed the point of my question. And you have both failed to articulate a coherent and rational basis for the proposition that an adult approaching a juvenile constitutes disorderly conduct, or that my investigating and approaching those teenagers was not wrongful whereas Zimmerman had committed this offense and was therefore barred from the use of force or the privilege of asserting self-defense.

I have no real knowledge as to whether the teenagers I encountered in the street had trespassed or not. There were teenagers everywhere. The ones in the street claimed that they were innocent, had not trespassed, and were minding their own business. However, I approached them, asked them what they were doing, and confronted them by telling them to stay away from my house and windows.

Private citizens are not cops, and we do not need permission, or probable cause, or reasonable suspicion, or any other basis to approach anyone, anywhere, other than places where one trespasses in the process.

Those teens, if they were innocent of trespassing, would have seen my approaching them as a possibly suspicious action. I was angry, moving quickly and purposefully, and had clearly seen them and moved toward them for the specific purpose of engaging them. My belief that these teens had trespassed was my motive, but not my justification, since I needed no justification.

Zimmerman did the same thing. Zimmerman needed no justification to approach, investigate or even follow Martin. He was free to do so. There is no evidence that the way he did so, which was recorded, posed an imminent threat of bodily injury to Martin.
 
2012-03-29 08:59:33 PM

tirob: This video capture, if it is genuine, shows only that Zimmerman had an injury to the back of his head by the time he got to the police station. It is not by itself necessarily evidence that he sustained that injury during his fight with Martin.


The police report certainly is.
 
2012-03-29 09:03:02 PM
Zimmerman's brother is on CNN right now.
 
2012-03-29 09:04:38 PM

Phinn: Private citizens are not cops, and we do not need permission, or probable cause, or reasonable suspicion, or any other basis to approach anyone, anywhere


Are you going to teach your seven year old son that it is all right for any adult to approach him on the highway at any time and for any reason?
 
2012-03-29 09:08:39 PM

9beers: tirob: This video capture, if it is genuine, shows only that Zimmerman had an injury to the back of his head by the time he got to the police station. It is not by itself necessarily evidence that he sustained that injury during his fight with Martin.

The police report certainly is.


Huh? Not following you here. Do you mean that the according to the police report Zimmerman must have sustained this injury during the fight?
 
2012-03-29 09:16:54 PM

9beers: Zimmerman's brother is on CNN right now.


Do you have a job Flash, who spends all day for days on end on two different sites trolling?
 
2012-03-29 09:17:26 PM

tirob: Huh? Not following you here. Do you mean that the according to the police report Zimmerman must have sustained this injury during the fight?


The police report of the incident states that Zimmerman was bleeding from his head and nose when officers arrived on scene.
 
2012-03-29 09:23:39 PM

9beers: tirob: Huh? Not following you here. Do you mean that the according to the police report Zimmerman must have sustained this injury during the fight?

The police report of the incident states that Zimmerman was bleeding from his head and nose when officers arrived on scene.


Does it state that Zimmerman was bleeding from the *back* of his head?
 
2012-03-29 09:26:17 PM

tirob: Does it state that Zimmerman was bleeding from the *back* of his head?


Yes
 
2012-03-29 09:37:31 PM

9beers: tirob: Does it state that Zimmerman was bleeding from the *back* of his head?

Yes


Then I concede that it is possible that he sustained that injury while fighting Martin.
 
2012-03-29 09:47:55 PM

9beers: Degenz: How old are you, 12?

You're an idiot.

(2)A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.


That's not even close to "proving" it, which was your original premise and what I replied to. Probable cause is the exact same standard used to bring charges in any criminal case. You cherry pick some crap out of the statute and think it wins the argument? Haha, you are one hopeless moran.
 
2012-03-29 09:52:36 PM

Degenz: That's not even close to "proving" it, which was your original premise and what I replied to.


I said "basically prove". Regardless, the police can't arrest a person who claims self defense unless there's probable cause that their story isn't true. What probable cause existed at the scene?
 
2012-03-29 10:23:07 PM

9beers: Degenz: That's not even close to "proving" it, which was your original premise and what I replied to.

I said "basically prove".


If facepalms could be harnessed to provide energy your posts would be the solution to our dependence on foreign oil.
 
2012-03-29 10:42:44 PM

9beers: Degenz: That's not even close to "proving" it, which was your original premise and what I replied to.

I said "basically prove". Regardless, the police can't arrest a person who claims self defense unless there's probable cause that their story isn't true. What probable cause existed at the scene?


According to the ABC News story I read, Chris Serino of the Sanford PD, the lead detective on Zimmerman's case, had enough doubts about Zimmerman's story of the events of his confrontation with Martin that he recommended an arrest. In an affidavit. The idea was nixed, according to ABC, by Seminole County prosecutor Norman Wolfinger, who was said to have believed that there was not enough evidence to prove Zimmerman guilty *beyond a reasonable doubt.* Wolfinger has since resigned "temporarily." I don't know what evidence led Detective Serino to believe that there was probable cause to arrest Zimmerman--mainly because not all, and probably not most, of the evidence in this case has been made public--but it sure seems to me as if at least someone on the scene, and in a position of responsibility, found sufficient probable cause to arrest Zimmerman, and stated so under penalty of perjury, this even though you still seem to believe that such probable cause doesn't exist.
 
2012-03-29 11:31:50 PM

tirob: According to the ABC News story I read, Chris Serino of the Sanford PD, the lead detective on Zimmerman's case, had enough doubts about Zimmerman's story of the events of his confrontation with Martin that he recommended an arrest. In an affidavit.


According to a press release issued by the city, that's not true.
 
2012-03-30 12:21:04 AM

itazurakko: rewind2846: So the cops LET HIM GO HOME, change out of a possibly BLOODY SHIRT and DIRT/GRASS STAINED shoes, jacket and pants, let him WASH HIMSELF, then handcuffed him and took him down to the police station.

Leaving all the evidence of his "struggle" at home or in their possession.


I seriously doubt that happened, but in certain cases, yeah. Police collect the clothes. I guarantee you that they have the clothes Zimmerman wore at the time of the shooting (if for no other reason than the GSR).

Without a single picture being taken (if there were pictures the cops would have released them by now, if for no other reason than to save their own asses - it's been a month) of either his "injuries" or the alleged blood and grass stained clothing.

Not necessarily. Still, it looks damn odd.

Indeed the lack of pics is questionable. Considering that the police are digging so deep as to find out Trayvon Martin's school disciplinary records, you'd think they'd be MORE than happy to leak some bloody nose or (better yet) bloody shirt pics, because it would only help their case.

Nope. The media has been digging. The police, probably not so much (it just makes their investigation more difficult and does not assist them).

And the new version of backpedaling along the lines of "he was only hit once though" and "well, blood splashback from a shot with that gun won't really happen more than 2 or 3 feet" are not helping Zimmerman's case either, because that would mean he shot an unarmed person who was more than 2 or 3 feet away and only had hit him once? That's even worse.

I'm the one who mentioned the blood spatter issue and it's not to exonerate Zimmerman. It's to explain to all the "OMGZ, he's not covered in teh bloodz..." morons out there. It doesn't mean guilt, nor does it mean innocence on it's own, but it's one part of the puzzle. In most shootings under 10 feet spatter is measured in drops, not the gobs most people see on TV. With the resolution of the video and pics, I think anyone would be hard pressed to find it on that shirt whether it was there or not (unless Martin literally bled on him).

Now here's the crazy question regarding the blood. Several witnesses have stated that Zimmerman made contact with Martin after the shooting (in one statement, he was "straddling" Martin with his hands on Martin's back as Martin lay face down). Odds are that there was transfer when that happened. WTH isn't that visible on the video? It's not a big issue, but I'm damn curious.

The more I see, the more questions I have. I do agree that the police dropped the ball in multiple regards, but until the initial report becomes available to the public, I can't decide whether or not Zimmerman should have been arrested the night of the shooting, or whether they did the right thing in merely bringing him in to custody.

/here's another crazy question... how long was Zimmerman in custody after the shooting? If it's just a few hours, that's one thing, but if they kept him for a day or two, that's indicates something different.
 
2012-03-30 12:23:37 AM

9beers: GreatGlavinsGhost: That a full investigation has yet to be conducted?

You sure about that? No, I mean really sure about that? I'll tell you what, do some research and get back with me on your claim that no investigation took place.


I did not say no investigation took place. I said a full investigation did not take place.

Dude, you've been all over these threads as if you have something personal at stake in it. Calm the fark down. Go to the "Entertainment" tab and rag on the Kardashians or something.
 
2012-03-30 05:48:20 AM

9beers: tirob: According to the ABC News story I read, Chris Serino of the Sanford PD, the lead detective on Zimmerman's case, had enough doubts about Zimmerman's story of the events of his confrontation with Martin that he recommended an arrest. In an affidavit.

According to a press release issued by the city, that's not true.


I saw a story to this effect, too, but I was unable to find such a press release on the City of Sanford's website. Looks to me as if the city has quietly retracted its denial, and this especially because this story is now all over the place. If I have missed the relevant press release, please feel free to link it for me.
 
2012-03-30 09:05:33 AM

tirob: Phinn: Private citizens are not cops, and we do not need permission, or probable cause, or reasonable suspicion, or any other basis to approach anyone, anywhere

Are you going to teach your seven year old son that it is all right for any adult to approach him on the highway at any time and for any reason?


------------------------

Uh ... Interesting question. I hadn't really thought about that one, but if I had to take a stand on this issue, I'd start with teaching him to stay away from highways at night.

And if he's under an imminent threat of injury, to ensure his safety by any means necessary, not to allow himself to get drawn into a pointless, childish display of bravado, or a contest for ghetto-respect, inasumch at doing so merely evidences a deep-seated insecurity over one's social status, which is the opposite of the intended result of such displays.

And that he's got to know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em.

And that the Lord loves a working man, and don't trust whitey. See a doctor and get rid of it.
 
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