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(ABC)   George Zimmerman on video after the shooting. Funny, those massive head injuries seem to have healed fast, and where's all the blood that should have stained his shirt from shooting someone who was on top of him?   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 1167
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2012-03-29 11:50:31 AM  

Mrtraveler01: I can't say I'm terrified of a man with a face like that.

/No offense


Well, like I like to say to my ham radio friends: I've got a face made for radio, and a voice made for Morse code.
 
2012-03-29 12:09:54 PM  

Confabulat: Purdue_Pete: So.... we still don't know. This "could" be a pretty nasty gash. It's also a crappy grainy, low-res security cam, so this won't even hold up in court. It proves nothing. However, if this was just a couple of weeks ago - there's still a scar, right?

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No way would that not be bleeding or bright red if it even happened in the last several hours. That's old school scarring.


Depends on how deep it is.

I once got whacked in the forehead with a billy-club, and that required 13 stitches to close it. It was still bleeding an hour after the hit, but not profusely. You can still see the scar.

On the other hand, I've also had relatively minor gashes to the head that stopped bleeding fairly quickly after some pressure. Remember, ZImmerman was treated by the Sanford Fire Department: "Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and given first aid by the SFD". The video isn't inconsistent with the police report of him bleeding from the nose and the back of the head.

If it was 'old school scarring', though, it would be *LIGHTER* in color, because the hair wouldn't grow there. Even though he doesn't have a lot of hair, he has some, and hair doesn't grow on scar tissue. It wouldn't be *DARKER* than the surrounding hair/scalp.
 
2012-03-29 12:13:01 PM  

dittybopper: Confabulat: Purdue_Pete: So.... we still don't know. This "could" be a pretty nasty gash. It's also a crappy grainy, low-res security cam, so this won't even hold up in court. It proves nothing. However, if this was just a couple of weeks ago - there's still a scar, right?

[dailycaller.com image 352x525]

No way would that not be bleeding or bright red if it even happened in the last several hours. That's old school scarring.

Depends on how deep it is.

I once got whacked in the forehead with a billy-club, and that required 13 stitches to close it. It was still bleeding an hour after the hit, but not profusely. You can still see the scar.

On the other hand, I've also had relatively minor gashes to the head that stopped bleeding fairly quickly after some pressure. Remember, ZImmerman was treated by the Sanford Fire Department: "Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and given first aid by the SFD". The video isn't inconsistent with the police report of him bleeding from the nose and the back of the head.

If it was 'old school scarring', though, it would be *LIGHTER* in color, because the hair wouldn't grow there. Even though he doesn't have a lot of hair, he has some, and hair doesn't grow on scar tissue. It wouldn't be *DARKER* than the surrounding hair/scalp.


Don't buy it. Heads bleed like crazy. You get cut on your head, you're going to see it for at least a day.
 
2012-03-29 12:14:26 PM  

someonelse: Dunno if this has been asked yet because this thread is bigger than my car, but shouldn't the police have actual ... you know, quality photos of the injuries Zimmerman allegedly sustained when his nose was broken and his head was slammed into the sidewalk repeatedly?


They may well have them, but haven't released them. I don't think they officially released this video.

There is no doubt a metric farkton of evidence that hasn't been released. Until it all gets released, all we are doing is jumping to vast conclusions on half-vast data.
 
2012-03-29 12:15:18 PM  
I wish folks could show half as much outrage about things that actually have a direct effect on their everyday lives. There are much worse things affecting all of us: the destruction of our environment, corporate greed, war, etc. I'm not saying this incident isn't tragic and deserving of attention. But, basically, what the magnitude of attention it is receiving demonstrates to me is how out-of-whack our priorities are. Hell, even those Occupy idiots, of whom I was once a member, have gotten distracted by the squirrel and are now focused on Trayvon, which really has nothing to do with the alleged gripes that spurred the movement.
 
2012-03-29 12:15:56 PM  
That's an old scar. That's not a scar that happened in the last few hours. You don't have to be an M.D. to figure this out.
 
2012-03-29 12:17:07 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: I wish folks could show half as much outrage about things that actually have a direct effect on their everyday lives. There are much worse things affecting all of us: the destruction of our environment, corporate greed, war, etc. I'm not saying this incident isn't tragic and deserving of attention. But, basically, what the magnitude of attention it is receiving demonstrates to me is how out-of-whack our priorities are. Hell, even those Occupy idiots, of whom I was once a member, have gotten distracted by the squirrel and are now focused on Trayvon, which really has nothing to do with the alleged gripes that spurred the movement.


Wow, guess what, most of us just like to yell about current events and don't really think anything is going to change in our lifetimes.

Why are you here?
 
2012-03-29 12:17:23 PM  

ox45tallboy: The kid had every right to defend himself under the "stand your ground" law in Florida. He was not obligated to make nice and do what the scary Hispanic guy wanted. He was not obligated to even talk to the guy, since the scary hispanic guy was acting threateningly and unreasonable first.


Are you sure you don't want to crawl back under your nice, warm comfortable, secure rock? If you're new to a neighborhood, the long term residents of that neighborhood have every reason and justification in watching you, following you, and (gasp!) even talking to each other and sharing information about you, no matter what your color or ethnicity. If you feel threatened by your neighbor(s) taking their security seriously and keeping an eye on the "new guy", that speaks volumes as to your intentions. Where exactly is the unreasonableness in that? Why, in your reaction, of course.
 
2012-03-29 12:22:01 PM  

Nancy Grace's Billowing Face Vents: He stalked and menaced a guy for no legitimate reason, acting like some authority figure - which he wasn't.


Again, when the residents of a neighborhood decide to take the security of the neighborhood into their own hands, they don't need your lofty permission. Residents of many neighborhoods, Black, Hispanic and Caucasian do it on a daily basis. They have all the authority they need. You need to be reminded: the government gets its authority from the people, not vice versa.
 
2012-03-29 12:24:02 PM  

Confabulat: Don't buy it. Heads bleed like crazy. You get cut on your head, you're going to see it for at least a day.


Dude, I've been there, done that, several times, one time that actually needed stitches. I've got the scars to prove it.

Head wounds are bloody, yes, but a relatively minor one will stop reasonably quickly with some pressure. The police report was from 19:17. We can assume Zimmerman was treated fairly quickly after the police and fire department arrived. Unfortunately, there isn't a time-stamp on those videos, so we don't know how long Zimmerman was sitting in the back of that car while the police investigated at the scene. Could have been a half an hour, maybe even more. Plenty of time for a relatively minor gash to the head to stop bleeding.

More telling, though, is if that mark on the back of his head in the video was an old scar, it would be lighter than the surrounding area because there wouldn't be any hair on it. It wouldn't be darker. I've got areas on my head that are scar tissue, and no hair grows there. It's noticeably lighter a few days after I've shaven my head.

Note also, a police officer actually looks at it in the video.

It's not a massive head wound, by any means, but it's not inconsistent with the police reports that he was bleeding at the back of the head when they arrived.
 
2012-03-29 12:25:56 PM  
i pick dittybopper :)

even if he was hit by that kid...
didn't he ask for it?

you've obviously been in some scrapes.. don't you think this was cowardly murder?
 
2012-03-29 12:27:18 PM  

Confabulat: dittybopper: Confabulat: Purdue_Pete: So.... we still don't know. This "could" be a pretty nasty gash. It's also a crappy grainy, low-res security cam, so this won't even hold up in court. It proves nothing. However, if this was just a couple of weeks ago - there's still a scar, right?

[dailycaller.com image 352x525]

No way would that not be bleeding or bright red if it even happened in the last several hours. That's old school scarring.

Depends on how deep it is.

I once got whacked in the forehead with a billy-club, and that required 13 stitches to close it. It was still bleeding an hour after the hit, but not profusely. You can still see the scar.

On the other hand, I've also had relatively minor gashes to the head that stopped bleeding fairly quickly after some pressure. Remember, ZImmerman was treated by the Sanford Fire Department: "Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and given first aid by the SFD". The video isn't inconsistent with the police report of him bleeding from the nose and the back of the head.

If it was 'old school scarring', though, it would be *LIGHTER* in color, because the hair wouldn't grow there. Even though he doesn't have a lot of hair, he has some, and hair doesn't grow on scar tissue. It wouldn't be *DARKER* than the surrounding hair/scalp.

Don't buy it. Heads bleed like crazy. You get cut on your head, you're going to see it for at least a day.


Especially as how his lawyer said, it was severe enough that he needed stitches.
 
2012-03-29 12:28:20 PM  

Nancy Grace's Billowing Face Vents: I don't care if his nose was disconnected from his body. I can't tell, and I don't care.

He stalked and menaced a guy for no legitimate reason, acting like some authority figure - which he wasn't.

He acted like a tough guy, and then took a life when someone defended themselves from an obvious menace.

Unless that young man's finger prints are on his gun, he should be charged with murder.


You have obviously failed to consider that the person he shot was obviously black and Serious and Important People™ see greater societal good in defending George Zimmerman because of the precedent that can be established. Although, at first, his actions did not fit in with the letter nor spirit of the Stand Your Ground law, you have to appreciate it's de facto application as a "White Man's Hunting License".

That and unless we give Zimmerman and other moderately-hued vigilantes a pass, that will lead to rioting in the street, Obama's Kenyan Praetorian Guard confiscating middle-aged white men's firearms and Cialis, cats and dogs living together, Obama-care mandating invasive cavity searches, the return to the Gold Standard, the Earth Wobbling on its axis and your daughter marrying one that will slip some dough-cheek a little BBC while they are sleeping.

Think of the defenseless slack pink anus.
 
2012-03-29 12:31:28 PM  

Confabulat: That's an old scar. That's not a scar that happened in the last few hours. You don't have to be an M.D. to figure this out.


An old scar would show up as lighter, not darker, because no hair would grow there.

Here is an example:

i.imgur.com

Note the scars look lighter, not darker, than the surrounding scalp.

Sorry, it looks to me like Zimmerman has a fresh, but minor, wound to the back of his head.
 
2012-03-29 12:32:07 PM  

dittybopper: Confabulat: Don't buy it. Heads bleed like crazy. You get cut on your head, you're going to see it for at least a day.

Dude, I've been there, done that, several times, one time that actually needed stitches. I've got the scars to prove it.

Head wounds are bloody, yes, but a relatively minor one will stop reasonably quickly with some pressure. The police report was from 19:17. We can assume Zimmerman was treated fairly quickly after the police and fire department arrived. Unfortunately, there isn't a time-stamp on those videos, so we don't know how long Zimmerman was sitting in the back of that car while the police investigated at the scene. Could have been a half an hour, maybe even more. Plenty of time for a relatively minor gash to the head to stop bleeding.

More telling, though, is if that mark on the back of his head in the video was an old scar, it would be lighter than the surrounding area because there wouldn't be any hair on it. It wouldn't be darker. I've got areas on my head that are scar tissue, and no hair grows there. It's noticeably lighter a few days after I've shaven my head.

Note also, a police officer actually looks at it in the video.

It's not a massive head wound, by any means, but it's not inconsistent with the police reports that he was bleeding at the back of the head when they arrived.


Well who (allegedly) stitched up his head then? I sure don't see any new stitches.

That's an old scar. You can complain it's too dark for your liking, but that's silly man talk. That's an old scar.
 
2012-03-29 12:32:35 PM  

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Who's the liberal cumquat that keeps posting these stupid headlines?

Racism racism racism!!!

I'm sick of this crap.

I don't care about some delinquent that got shot or the the guy that shot him. Yes I think Martin was in the wrong and so was zim. Shoot them both. This isn't a race issue. No no no it isn't. Yes I hear you. Sorry, it still isn't.


of course this is a race issue. If it isn;t the black community would be just as outrage if not more of the hundreds of innocent young black men getting murdered in the hands of other black youths.
 
2012-03-29 12:33:53 PM  
And I beat up my face and head on a regular basis, just cause I enjoy pain and concussions, and yeah, that's an old scar.
 
2012-03-29 12:34:38 PM  

Confabulat: That's an old scar. That's not a scar that happened in the last few hours. You don't have to be an M.D. to figure this out.


Are you determined to be wrong about everything you post? A
 
2012-03-29 12:35:10 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Nancy Grace's Billowing Face Vents: He stalked and menaced a guy for no legitimate reason, acting like some authority figure - which he wasn't.

Again, when the residents of a neighborhood decide to take the security of the neighborhood into their own hands, they don't need your lofty permission. Residents of many neighborhoods, Black, Hispanic and Caucasian do it on a daily basis. They have all the authority they need. You need to be reminded: the government gets its authority from the people, not vice versa.


Um... no. It's vigilantism and it is NOT legitimate.

You are missing a basic understanding of governance. And legislation, and enforcement. Nothing lofty about this concept. It is the social contract you subscribe to everyday you choose to live in this country.

...

Or to be simpler... you FAIL at citizenship 101.
 
2012-03-29 12:36:07 PM  

tirob: According to the ABC News story I read, the decison not to charge Zimmerman was made by the local prosecutor, not Serino.


Could be because there was not enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty?

Evidence is usually accepted....speculation is usually overruled, but LA Law and Cop Rock hasn't been on in a while so I am not up to date on the legal system.
 
2012-03-29 12:41:58 PM  

itazurakko: But if he's two or three feet away, he has to shoot? The kid is unarmed, remember, and 2-3 feet seems farther than arm's reach. But maybe that's when Zimmerman is supposedly groaning and unable to get up, so could happen.

I agree the autopsy reports would be interesting to see.


If your arm is less than 2 ft and you're an adult, then you are definitely in the minority. I'm about average height and easily have 30+ inches for each arm (34/35 measurement actually). Additionally, most shootings occur with a target distance less than 15ft.

If Martin were standing over him, or charging him after the initial encounter, then I could see how this happened without there being a lot of spatter on Zimmerman. That said, I think we both agree that the autopsy report will be one of the morst important parts of the investigation (as it has the ability to either validate or outright refute Zimmerman's account).
 
2012-03-29 12:42:47 PM  
Hey, I'm at least glad I don't sit around all night defending the murder of an unarmed teenager.

I mean, at least I won that in life.
 
2012-03-29 12:43:33 PM  
Since it looks like this thread is still going I'll finally put my thoughts into it. They are probably not as entertaining as screaming about racism, but i at least would like it to be seen as a common sense approach. People probably already stopped reading.

As to the actual events that led to his death:
-911 dispatcher telling Zimms to not follow (yes, i know her exact words): that is not a lawful order, therefore, he does not have to follow it.
-Zimm appeared to have somewhat of a predjudice, or assumption that it was blacks perpetrating the break-ins in the subdivision, or else he would not have said" they always get away".
-The exact report of the the incident as written up by police seems to be somewhat forgotten as people argue one way or another. That's fine b/c we are arguing with emotion (and our arguments don't matter anyway). All the facts need to be put on the table at the same time. It would be nice to include photos of the injuries to zimms, where the shell casings were found in relation to the body, angle of the bullet entrance if it can be determined.
-if that is indeed zimm in the video, he doesn't appear hurt, but of course that is hard to tell. The ONLY thing we can tell for sure is that he is not the oafish overweight person we have been led to believe he is. He looks like he might be able to handle himself. I don't see any injuries that sound like the description that we have been given, despite that, i would love to see the police report describing those injuries. Furthermore, if zimm wants to help his case, he should take pictures of his injuries (or should have) and have his lawyer distribute them.
-Martin's past is completely irrelevant with the exception of identifying any violent tendencies. That would give us a better indication about whether he was likely to aggressively go at zimm or not.
-The DA or whomever decided that he should not be charged is an idiot. This is primarily b/c it puts him in custody, gives them ample time to talk to him, question him and inspect his injuries. You ask someone to tell a story (a lie) once, and it is fine. You have them repeat it many times, and you start noticing discrepencies. Moreso, it at least gives the public the idea that you are doing your due diligence in determining what really happened.
-In cases where the stand your ground law is claimed/used, there needs to be somewhat of investigation b/c typically there is only one side of the story left to be told. You can picture south park, and Ned screaming "It's coming right for us!"

I personally think he should be up for manslaughter, but i'm not going to scream it b/c i wasn't there, i don't have all the facts in front of me, and they haven't been presented by someone who can walk me through some of the science. The forum for that is in a court room, presented by lawyers, and heard by peers.

//common sense doesn't belong here
//yeah i know.
 
2012-03-29 12:43:38 PM  

Confabulat: Aw aren't you cute still trying to talk to adults.


You don't even know that scars get lighter with time, not darker. You're either mentally challenged or blatantly lying to support your erroneous conclusions.
 
2012-03-29 12:44:33 PM  

Confabulat: Hey, I'm at least glad I don't sit around all night defending the murder of an unarmed teenager.

I mean, at least I won that in life.


So now the kid is a double amputee?

So much revisionist history going on in this thread.
 
2012-03-29 12:44:58 PM  

Confabulat: Hey, I'm at least glad I don't sit around all night defending the murder of an unarmed teenager.


No, you sit around all night throwing out speculations like a monkey flinging shot.
 
2012-03-29 12:47:40 PM  
Came for the Wolverine references.

/leaving dissapoint
 
2012-03-29 12:50:09 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Half of the argument against Zimmerman chasing Trayvon was "He's too fat; that kid could easily lose him." It was a joke that Zimmerman would be perceived as a threat to Trayvon.


Thanks for reiterating and for stating it more clearly than I did.

rufus-t-firefly: Watch the video of him at the police station again (preferably the YouTube version, since the ABC logo isn't in the way). He appears to have defined pectoral muscles. It's understandable if Trayvon felt threatened by the guy following him and finally decided to confront him, or at least stop running.


People also seem to assume that Zimmerman turned to return to the truck and Trayvon came from somewhere behind Zimmerman. It's possible that Zimmerman turned the corner and went down a short distance, didn't see Martin and turned around and headed back thereby returning to where Martin had apparently hidden (first porch? bush?). In Martin's view, that might have been Z coming back to find him.

Is this the part where we get to keep referring to Zimmerman as a roided out hothead muscleface, now that we know he wasn't a tubbed out retread Nova?
 
2012-03-29 12:50:44 PM  

balloot: The black kid giving the finger is not Trayvon Martin. But WTF, all black teenagers are scary and look the same, amirite?


Hm.

Does it have a strong conservative slant? Yes.
Is it a load of horseshiat? Yes.
Is Michelle Malkin involved? Why, yes, as in most bullshiat conservative talking points, Michelle Malkin is involved.

Did anyone see her story a while back about the Navy buying green fuel at several times the market rate of traditional fuel? Boy oh boy, she sure used that to paint the Obama administration's green energy plan as a major boondoggle, while conveniently leaving out that the Navy is testing the fuel. Or that goofy video of Obama. That was crucial. I find it amusing that Hannity blasts "the media", since he IS "the media". (new window) Anyway...

To Twitchy's credit, they did retract it with a reason given. That hasn't stopped people from continuing to run with it.

The thing that gets me is that this started up because it looked initially like an unarmed black kid got killed in a nice neighborhood, and the impression that the cops just let the guy go. In all the race baiting and arguing over the facts, it's gotten lost that, in Florida, it's entirely possible to shoot someone fatally and walk away, no witnesses, if you can make it look like it's self defense. Because of all the race-baiting on both sides, some important things are getting lost: it shouldn't be possible to just walk away after killing someone, even if it's self defense. And if you're in favor of gun rights, you really need to care about this case. This is the sort of thing that can hurt gun ownership rights.
 
2012-03-29 12:51:06 PM  

stebain: Falcon Hunter: Are you done with the icanhazaseal nonsense? You're not making your point any better by putting your words in the mouths of seals.

Plus, it makes this page a motherfarker to refresh.

Totally get what you're saying but you can have the images converted to links. In your profile, go to Comment Preferences:

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[Just below the comment entry box, you can click Post comment immediately without previewing first (see myFark preferences). hell, I made that link there work for you...]


I'd do that, but I actually enjoy the pictures that others post.

But this farkin' guy...
 
2012-03-29 12:53:46 PM  

Nancy Grace's Billowing Face Vents: i pick dittybopper :)

even if he was hit by that kid...
didn't he ask for it?

you've obviously been in some scrapes.. don't you think this was cowardly murder?


I'll answer the last question first:

At this point, I don't see anything that is inconsistent with Zimmerman's story. That could change, of course, once all the data on the incident is released, and so I'm going to say "At this point, I don't *THINK* so".

I've been in very few scrapes. The few that I did happen to be in were because I happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (or, more properly, I was hanging out with the wrong people. I chose my friends more wisely these days). I've only got the one scar from an actual violent incident, though: The rest of the scars were from accidents/mishaps. I'm actually a milquetoast-y, Clark Kent-ish, "avoid confrontation" kind of guy.

Now, as for whether Zimmerman was asking for it? No. Unless Zimmerman threw the first punch, or said something so totally out of bounds that they constitute "fighting words", he wasn't asking for it. He had every right to go up to Trayvon Martin and ask him what he was doing, just like Martin had every right to say "None of your business" and keep walking. Just because you ask a person what they are doing, that isn't an invitation to violence. It's not "fighting words". It's not something a reasonable person would consider a threat.

Now, if the investigation reveals that Zimmerman called him a "damned successful and attractive African-American", and Martin then punched him, Zimmerman is in legal trouble. Or, if he actually tried to physically restrain Martin, or attacked him physically (which doesn't seem logical: Would you do that to someone who towers over you?), then yeah, he should be looking at manslaughter in the least.

But if Zimmerman's story is substantially confirmed, that he asked Martin what he was doing, and Martin flattened him out and started punching him while he was on the ground, then he's got pretty much an open and shut case for self-defense.
 
2012-03-29 12:58:58 PM  

dittybopper: dittybopper: stebain:
Frankly, the video shows him to be in rather good shape. Athlete or not, I find it LESS likely to believe that Zimmerman couldn't counter some of the moves on a 140 pound kid.

Well, certainly not morbidly obese, as I was led to believe by the news media.

This actually brings up another thought: How can we trust what the media is telling us?

We got shown two pictures, one of Zimmerman from like 5 years ago back when he was much heavier, and one of Martin back when he was much younger (and shorter).


Those were the pictures provided. One by the parents (the football pose pictures) and one by the police department (the 7 year old mug shot). I don't see how this is the fault of the parent.


Those images weren't informative in the least. In fact, they were misleading. I'd even go so far as to say they might have been deliberately misleading. Somebody picked that picture of Martin for release, probably the family, and I'm betting they chose one that made him look as innocent as possible. I doubt anyone released the picture of Zimmerman, the media just probably got it from his arrest record, which is publicly available.
If someone picked one of the "thug Trayvon" pictures, that would be just as misleading. Wouldn't you agree? Do you have any pictures of yourself as a teen acting a fool? Does that make you a dreg?

We've seen lots of misleading information being reported. Yet when every new 'revelation' comes out, we lap it up.

WHY THE FARK DO WE TRUST THE MEDIA?

It's not just this kind of stuff, either: Ever read a newspaper article or seen a TV news report on something that you had detailed knowledge about, and the media got some important detail wrong?

Like they reported something wrongly or had incomplete information? Learning new details and reporting isn't the worst thing, as long as some effort is made to corroborate. Do you have details on Martin that were reported and turned out wrong? Just curious. I don't know that he was reported as angelic, although many here and op ed stuff tried to sanctify him, I guess. I tell people not to do that because once the first little flaw comes out, the haters will latch onto that. Martin was active in his church. He mentored his neice. He also knew people who (or maybe himself) smoked weed. Dunno about the slugging a bus driver story. I've never seen that anywhere other than here and a site that seemed like a slur machine.


Yet when they report on something that we don't know about, we somehow selectively forget that they've been wrong all those other times. Why?
 
2012-03-29 12:59:55 PM  
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2012-03-29 01:02:27 PM  

greenboy: -The DA or whomever decided that he should not be charged is an idiot. This is primarily b/c it puts him in custody, gives them ample time to talk to him, question him and inspect his injuries.


He would have violated Florida law if they had charged him, and opened themselves up to a charge of false arrest, and perhaps completely farked up the whole case, if there is one to be made, because much of the evidence might get thrown out. Certainly his statements would have been.

They had Zimmerman in custody. We don't know for how long, but I'm betting it was probably several hours. They wouldn't have brought him in, interrogated him for 15 minutes, and then let him walk. They would have gotten his version several times, checked for inconsistencies between versions, and between the other evidence and eyewitness statements. All that takes some time, but at some point they had to have said "every thing he said is consistent with the other evidence, and under the law, he had the right to use deadly force". They *HAD* to let him go at that point.
 
2012-03-29 01:02:30 PM  

9beers: You know dude, you're kind of dimwitted with all your racist talk. I decided to go over to Strormfront to see how real racists are reacting to this and guess what, the only thing they're concerned about is Zimmerman being labeled as white. They couldn't give a fark less that a Hispanic might be accused of killing a black. So see buddy, you're kind of a fool because white racists don't give a fark about anything other than other white people.


Take a look at some other supremacist websites. The ones I've seen are running with the phony Malkin photo, and the fact that he was a black kid suspended from school. Oh, and they think it's an outrage that the media isn't giving the same attention to the white kid in Kansas City geting doused in gasoline and lit, for being white. Of course, the difference there is that the police are actually looking for the attempted murderers in KC...

Besides, Stormfront is waiting for the day when they can take their trained infantrymen and liquidate the ghettos. Why care about one black kid when you're planning a black holocaust?
 
2012-03-29 01:09:33 PM  

Nancy Grace's Billowing Face Vents: You are missing a basic understanding of governance. And legislation, and enforcement. Nothing lofty about this concept. It is the social contract you subscribe to everyday you choose to live in this country.


Weird. I read stories in the news about people in poor neighborhoods "taking back their streets" from drug dealers, prostitutes, and gangs quite often. Never do I read that they need anybody's permission. Zimmerman didn't become a "vigilante" until Martin became a "criminal". When do you suppose that happened?
 
2012-03-29 01:10:02 PM  

theMightyRegeya: Of course, the difference there is that the police are actually looking for the attempted murderers in KC...


The Sanford police conducted a two week investigation into this shooting before 99% of the country had heard of it. Your problem is the same as the rest of the mob, you assume that because Zimmerman wasn't charged with a crime that no investigation took place. Stop acting as if you know or care more about this case than those professionals tasked with investigating it.
 
2012-03-29 01:11:50 PM  

dittybopper: greenboy: -The DA or whomever decided that he should not be charged is an idiot. This is primarily b/c it puts him in custody, gives them ample time to talk to him, question him and inspect his injuries.

He would have violated Florida law if they had charged him, and opened themselves up to a charge of false arrest, and perhaps completely farked up the whole case, if there is one to be made, because much of the evidence might get thrown out. Certainly his statements would have been.

They had Zimmerman in custody. We don't know for how long, but I'm betting it was probably several hours. They wouldn't have brought him in, interrogated him for 15 minutes, and then let him walk. They would have gotten his version several times, checked for inconsistencies between versions, and between the other evidence and eyewitness statements. All that takes some time, but at some point they had to have said "every thing he said is consistent with the other evidence, and under the law, he had the right to use deadly force". They *HAD* to let him go at that point.


That is all true, but then again, that is something we don't know. We don't know how long he is in there, we don't know what questions were asked. We also don't know what evidence was collected and how it backs up his story.

I understand that they can't arrest him b/c that would violate the law. To be honest, that is an asinine part of the law. If i shoot someone, i damn well expect to be scrutinized incredibly closely. Despite all claims that evidence backs up his story, i think that the more that comes out, the more people ask what evidence backs it up? The public is drooling for this guys head. if it was really a justifiable homicide, the police need to release as much info as possible in order to back it up. Otherwise, rioting, raced based violence is going to start up, and it all could be due to the fact that no one but the cops knows all the facts.
 
2012-03-29 01:11:51 PM  
Will it hurt if the police just start releasing evidence? At this point, no way to taint a possible jury, would be impossible anywhere for a fair trial if he was charged. Could maybe knock out a whole bunch of speculation. I would assume they took pictures of Zimmerman's injuries, statements from the EMT's, other photos and statements, etc.

No sense in disarming a bomb after it's gone off, as Jack Ryan would say.

I think Zimmerman will be cleared. Then he should start the lawsuit machine and go after every single party that wronged him, he will need lifetime protection which is not cheap. The police Chief who was forced to step down should sue the crap out of the town as well. Spike Lee, anybody famous, and even Obama should be sued for civil rights violations.
 
2012-03-29 01:14:21 PM  

dittybopper: Confabulat: That's an old scar. That's not a scar that happened in the last few hours. You don't have to be an M.D. to figure this out.

An old scar would show up as lighter, not darker, because no hair would grow there.

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Note the scars look lighter, not darker, than the surrounding scalp.

Sorry, it looks to me like Zimmerman has a fresh, but minor, wound to the back of his head.


Not really looking to argue it, but if you have almost no hair, that is what it will look like. If you have like a 4 or 5 cut, the hairs will grow at an angle determined by the way the scar healed and it _may_ actually appear darker because the hair is leaning over the scar line on both sides. My brother keeps his head like the dude in your picture. If he lets it grow "long" (about 1/2 inch), it grows weird around the scar and seems to shield it and it looks much darker than his head and remaining hair.
 
2012-03-29 01:16:22 PM  

rewind2846: So the cops LET HIM GO HOME, change out of a possibly BLOODY SHIRT and DIRT/GRASS STAINED shoes, jacket and pants, let him WASH HIMSELF, then handcuffed him and took him down to the police station.

Leaving all the evidence of his "struggle" at home or in their possession.

Without a single picture being taken (if there were pictures the cops would have released them by now, if for no other reason than to save their own asses - it's been a month) of either his "injuries" or the alleged blood and grass stained clothing.

Right.

Don't dislocate your shoulder reaching for that conclusion, dude.
/Occam's razor


Indeed the lack of pics is questionable. Considering that the police are digging so deep as to find out Trayvon Martin's school disciplinary records, you'd think they'd be MORE than happy to leak some bloody nose or (better yet) bloody shirt pics, because it would only help their case.

Confabulat: I assume you're too pure to have ever been arrested, but they don't let you clean up first. You might get a bandage or if you don't have a shirt they'll give you some paper thing.


This too. Even more than blood on his face, I'd expect some blood on the front of his shirt (at least from the dead kid, if not also from his own injuries).

And the new version of backpedaling along the lines of "he was only hit once though" and "well, blood splashback from a shot with that gun won't really happen more than 2 or 3 feet" are not helping Zimmerman's case either, because that would mean he shot an unarmed person who was more than 2 or 3 feet away and only had hit him once? That's even worse.
 
2012-03-29 01:17:27 PM  

stebain: dittybopper: Confabulat: That's an old scar. That's not a scar that happened in the last few hours. You don't have to be an M.D. to figure this out.

An old scar would show up as lighter, not darker, because no hair would grow there.

[prettygoodexample.jpg]
Note the scars look lighter, not darker, than the surrounding scalp.

Sorry, it looks to me like Zimmerman has a fresh, but minor, wound to the back of his head.

Not really looking to argue it, but if you have almost no hair, that is what it will look like. If you have like a 4 or 5 cut, the hairs will grow at an angle determined by the way the scar healed and it _may_ actually appear darker because the hair is leaning over the scar line on both sides. My brother keeps his head like the dude in your picture. If he lets it grow "long" (about 1/2 inch), it grows weird around the scar and seems to shield it and it looks much darker than his head and remaining hair.


That may be true, but Zimmerman in that video has very closely cropped hair. At most a #2 cut, and possibly shorter.
 
2012-03-29 01:19:16 PM  

Giltric: So now the kid is a double amputee?


god damn you, god damn you


\but I'm not weeeeellll
 
2012-03-29 01:21:45 PM  

itazurakko: rewind2846: So the cops LET HIM GO HOME, change out of a possibly BLOODY SHIRT and DIRT/GRASS STAINED shoes, jacket and pants, let him WASH HIMSELF, then handcuffed him and took him down to the police station.

Leaving all the evidence of his "struggle" at home or in their possession.

Without a single picture being taken (if there were pictures the cops would have released them by now, if for no other reason than to save their own asses - it's been a month) of either his "injuries" or the alleged blood and grass stained clothing.

Right.

Don't dislocate your shoulder reaching for that conclusion, dude.
/Occam's razor

Indeed the lack of pics is questionable. Considering that the police are digging so deep as to find out Trayvon Martin's school disciplinary records, you'd think they'd be MORE than happy to leak some bloody nose or (better yet) bloody shirt pics, because it would only help their case.

Confabulat: I assume you're too pure to have ever been arrested, but they don't let you clean up first. You might get a bandage or if you don't have a shirt they'll give you some paper thing.

This too. Even more than blood on his face, I'd expect some blood on the front of his shirt (at least from the dead kid, if not also from his own injuries).

And the new version of backpedaling along the lines of "he was only hit once though" and "well, blood splashback from a shot with that gun won't really happen more than 2 or 3 feet" are not helping Zimmerman's case either, because that would mean he shot an unarmed person who was more than 2 or 3 feet away and only had hit him once? That's even worse.


Police and the DA probably have a lot more experience, and a lot more actual insight into this case than an armchair Black Panther such as yourself. I mean, you can go ll CSI on em from a grainy video, sure. I can to. Tray actually had an M-60 machine gun in a fortified position and was screaming "free Malcolm X!" but was such a lousy shot that he had to attack Zimmerman with fists. Anyone can play at this ridiculous make shiat up game. There is no blood because Tray was made of milk chocolate and Skittles.

The amount of crap you guys have actually just made up is pretty astounding. Oh, now the police have been releasing Tray's FB pics? Citation?
 
2012-03-29 01:24:02 PM  

itazurakko: This too. Even more than blood on his face, I'd expect some blood on the front of his shirt (at least from the dead kid, if not also from his own injuries).


Not necessarily.

I've shot a fair number of animals in my day. I've had ones that bled so profusely that they left a spray of blood 3 feet to either side of their tracks, and I've had ones that barely bled externally at all. One particularly interesting one is a deer I shot with a bow: Barely bled at all, just a drop here and there on the leaves, then in one small area, a *HUGE* amount of blood, then a very weak blood trail after that. It just depends on a lot of factors, and I wouldn't read anything into the lack of blood.
 
2012-03-29 01:24:22 PM  

Falcon Hunter: I'd do that, but I actually enjoy the pictures that others post.

But this farkin' guy...


That's cool. I enjoy images too, plus they make it easier to remember what I last read if I have to scroll through... "seen that one.. seen that one... nope, not that. Somewhere in between!"

You could click the little ignore icon on the right of his name line or somewhere on his user profile page.
 
2012-03-29 01:24:40 PM  

ox45tallboy: So, you're going to be okay with people following you down the street in their car, then getting out and following you on foot? You're forgetting, this was a scary hispanic guy in a nice gated community. Who knows what sort of mischief he was up to!

The kid had every right to defend himself under the "stand your ground" law in Florida. He was not obligated to make nice and do what the scary Hispanic guy wanted. He was not obligated to even talk to the guy, since the scary hispanic guy was acting threateningly and unreasonable first.


I'm not sure there is a duty to retreat anywhere in america as long as you aren't if using deadly force as your form of self defense.
I have a feeling in NY City you don't have to turn tail and flee when attacked if there is an escape route; that you have the option of meeting non lethal aggression with your own non lethal aggression.
I have a feeling stand your ground would not even be necessary to justify for trayvon's actions in any jurisdiction in america.

if trayvon attacked first, what he did was reasonable under normal self defense theory because he reasonably feared an attack by zimmer.
 
2012-03-29 01:25:56 PM  

balloot: Mrtraveler01: 9beers: Mrtraveler01: But they're in no way racist...

You know dude, you're kind of dimwitted with all your racist talk. I decided to go over to Strormfront to see how real racists are reacting to this and guess what, the only thing they're concerned about is Zimmerman being labeled as white. They couldn't give a fark less that a Hispanic might be accused of killing a black. So see buddy, you're kind of a fool because white racists don't give a fark about anything other than other white people.

The real racists in this are people pulling the race card. You know, about 99% of the black population and most Farkers.

So these aren't racist?

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---------------------

The black kid giving the finger is not Trayvon Martin. But WTF, all black teenagers are scary and look the same, amirite?

The question I have to ask is why do conservatives want to protect the murderer of a black kid so badly that they'll stoop to flat out lies in order to sully the reputation of a dead teenage boy? Seriously - people like 9beers and this MrTraveler guy are just horrible, awful, disgusting people.


My favorite part about the photo of the kid with the middle fingers is that according to snopes, that kid is still in Middle School. And they're trying to pass him off as a burly 17-year-old while crying that the biased liberal (uh, if you honestly believe that anything exists without bias, you are a special one) media is using a five year old picture of the real Trayvon.
 
2012-03-29 01:26:44 PM  

9beers: theMightyRegeya: Of course, the difference there is that the police are actually looking for the attempted murderers in KC...

The Sanford police conducted a two week investigation into this shooting before 99% of the country had heard of it. Your problem is the same as the rest of the mob, you assume that because Zimmerman wasn't charged with a crime that no investigation took place. Stop acting as if you know or care more about this case than those professionals tasked with investigating it.


Hey, that is the impression the public has. Maybe the department should have a press conference instead of clamming up...
 
2012-03-29 01:27:02 PM  

relcec: if trayvon attacked first, what he did was reasonable under normal self defense theory because he reasonably feared an attack by zimmer.


Good point, now can you prove it?
 
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