gaspode: I did couch it in hyperbole, but as a serious question.. can you imagine that if the shooting had been the other way around that the kid would have been anything other than jail-bound?

Um, the shooter was taken to jail. You DID see the video, right?

/Way to race bait.

Revmachine21: Checked the videos, and agree it's not good enough quality to see smaller details.

That said, if you shot somebody who was beating you up because "you feared for your life", I kind of expect a person to look worse than this, and have stuff wrong with him that would be more visible.

He's upright, walking well with out any gingerness, no bandages, no ripped clothing, he's got balance, nobody is helping him maintain balance, or helping him walk.

I saw worse messes in high school fistfights.

How long after the fight was the video taken? 5 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 hours? Why did they cut off the time stamp? This whole case stinks, it happened over a month ago, but now the media is blowing it up, calling a Hispanic a white guy, fanning the racial division in our country for no reason. This case may or may not have anything to do with race, but according to the powers to be it is all about race. I hate racebaters exploiting this tragedy to push their agenda. I am looking at you Jackson and Sharpton....

Daraymann: gaspode: I did couch it in hyperbole, but as a serious question.. can you imagine that if the shooting had been the other way around that the kid would have been anything other than jail-bound?

Um, the shooter was taken to jail. You DID see the video, right?

/Way to race bait.

Taken to the police station != taken to jail.

noneyourbase: Fireproof: Also whenever someone posts something like that, I try to ask them why they care about the media being biased toward not portraying Martin as a thug so much, because I can't think of any reason other than racism.

To be honest, I can: the "enemy of my enemy is my friend." Remember, as liberals became more and more repulsed by Sarah Palin, many conservatives embraced her even tighter - because "she pisses 'em off."

The majority of Zimmerman's "supporters" I've encountered don't actually know enough to support Zimmerman. They haven't followed the story that closely. But they see the world rallying around a 'liberal' cause and they react to it by latching onto anything that confirms their claims of media bias, like those photos.

Racism may be at work, but it's really the "us" versus "them" mentality that's most prevalent.

True. I started thinking a few minutes after this that there are some people who just HAVE to reduce every issue to left vs. right and feel that the right-wing ideas are ALWAYS right and that the left-wing ones are ALWAYS wrong. I mean I've seen people who have clearly never once watched Glenn Beck defend him and I've seen teenagers that had never heard of Joseph McCarthy before defend him. And clearly a case involving racial issues, gun laws, and police being less than perfect is has political implications, and this one leans left quite a bit.

They're not all racist, they're just unwilling to accept that this is a case where the facts are not on their side, so they go back to the old standby of attacking the messenger: The media.

Also, a big piece of it is probably not willing to accept how much racism is left in the United States.

Daraymann: gaspode: I did couch it in hyperbole, but as a serious question.. can you imagine that if the shooting had been the other way around that the kid would have been anything other than jail-bound?

Um, the shooter was taken to jail. You DID see the video, right?

/Way to race bait.

Um, when?

Isn't the whole point of the outrage over this case the fact that the guy WASN'T arrested or taken to jail after killing a person? Do you have some sort of secret information that nobody else does?

I'm not going to read through this whole damn thread to see if this is a repeat, but........If Zim was evaluated by or treated by an EMT or other care provider, there will be medical records that would be good evidence. There would also be witness testamony available from the care provider. The medical records (if they exist) and the witness testamony (if any) would be useful in evaluating the video evidence which doesn't seem to show any damage to Zimmerman. It would be possible, but not likely, that Zim could have been cleaned up enough to look untouched as he does. Unless somebody documented in the record and will testify that they took care of injuries and cleaned Zim up, things don't seem to support the statements that Zim was in a fight or was getting his head bounced on the sidewalk while his nose was broken or had dirt/grass stains on his back. Scalp lacerations and broken noses typically bleed exuberantly. Zim doesn't seem to have any blood on his clothes. Did a cop or EMT change his jacket? That would be very unlikely.

Are you a kid in a hoodie being followed by a strange man?

Do yourself a favor, and call 9-1-1. Don't end up another Trayvon Martin.

The more you know.

osafer: Revmachine21: Checked the videos, and agree it's not good enough quality to see smaller details.

That said, if you shot somebody who was beating you up because "you feared for your life", I kind of expect a person to look worse than this, and have stuff wrong with him that would be more visible.

He's upright, walking well with out any gingerness, no bandages, no ripped clothing, he's got balance, nobody is helping him maintain balance, or helping him walk.

I saw worse messes in high school fistfights.

How long after the fight was the video taken? 5 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 hours? Why did they cut off the time stamp? This whole case stinks, it happened over a month ago, but now the media is blowing it up, calling a Hispanic a white guy, fanning the racial division in our country for no reason. This case may or may not have anything to do with race, but according to the powers to be it is all about race. I hate racebaters exploiting this tragedy to push their agenda. I am looking at you Jackson and Sharpton....

The media didn't start blowing it up until the cops released the 911 tapes, and those tapes appeared at first blush to directly contradict the PD and Zimmerman's story.

And now we have a guy whose head was supposedly bashed into the sidewalk multiple times who has very few marks on him shortly after the life or death struggle.

But yes, it's the liberals who are screwing this all up.

Daraymann: gaspode: I did couch it in hyperbole, but as a serious question.. can you imagine that if the shooting had been the other way around that the kid would have been anything other than jail-bound?

Um, the shooter was taken to jail. You DID see the video, right?

/Way to race bait.

Um, the shooter wasn't "in jail". Taken to the police station is not taken to jail.

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Who's the liberal cumquat that keeps posting these stupid headlines?

Racism racism racism!!!

I'm sick of this crap.

I don't care about some delinquent that got shot or the the guy that shot him. Yes I think Martin was in the wrong and so was zim. Shoot them both. This isn't a race issue. No no no it isn't. Yes I hear you. Sorry, it still isn't.

notsureifserious.jpg

-Re-reads headline.
Nope, no mention.
-Watches silent video.
huh.
-alt-f :"racism"
Nothing till your post.

Your post gave me an idea. The right is going to have to make this a race issue. The alternative is it becomes a gun ownership, "castle doctrine" issue, with Obama coming after your guns.

You are going to have to sacrifice Zimmerman at the altar of the NRA.

/me thinks thou doth protesteth too loudly

Daraymann: gaspode: Daraymann:
/If the shooter was black, nobody would care.


If the shooter was black he would be in jail or a morgue. The police don't fark about when its an armed black man. I mean are you seriously suggesting that if Martin had shot Zimmerman dead he would have been let off without charge? really really?

But the shooter was Mexican, so I guess they get a free pass now.

This should play well come election time.

President Obama: "If I had a kid, he'd be Trayvon."
Media: "A Mexican shot and killed a misbehaving black kid in Florida."
Dems: "Uhh...he was half-white."
Media: "And half Mexican."
Dems: "But we don't want to alienate blacks -or- Mexicans...shiat."
Media: "Problem?"

Why do people keep bringing up what the dispatcher said as if it's binding somehow, and you MUST do what a dispatcher says, otherwise you go to jail? Lots of plausible arguments either way in this case, but the dispatcher angle isn't one of them.

It's the most tiresome thing being repeated time and time again.

Oh yeah, has no one posted a link to the story about Zimmerman's lawyer skipping out on an MSNBC interview at the last second, thus resulting in Lawrence O'Donnell grilling an empty chair?

/Submitted it, but it was redlit

Ok,, Has anyone pointed out the screams on the tape sound nothing like a 17 year football player and everything like a late 20's neighborhood watch guy?

Don't forget, Martin was in fear for his safety, had a cell phone but didn't call 911 because we all know that the cops would have showed up and beat him. You guys did hear how the first officers on the scene were beating Martin's dead body, right? I mean, some might call it CPR but you and I know the truth.

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Daraymann: gaspode: I did couch it in hyperbole, but as a serious question.. can you imagine that if the shooting had been the other way around that the kid would have been anything other than jail-bound?

Um, the shooter was taken to jail. You DID see the video, right?

/Way to race bait.

Um, when?

Isn't the whole point of the outrage over this case the fact that the guy WASN'T arrested or taken to jail after killing a person? Do you have some sort of secret information that nobody else does?

He -WAS- arrested and he -WAS- taken to jail (as shown in the video.) No charges were pressed at the instruction of the State Attorney who didn't feel there was sufficient evidence.

But, people actually have to read the details from a reputable source, not hear about it from pundits, friends, or celebrities.

Sgygus: Good questions. Whar blood, whar?

Well considering the paramedics on the scene would have cleaned him up thats a moot point, the biggest talking point this takes away are all the idiots screaming "why wasnt he taken into custody immediately!???????"

Well it appears he was, so fark off.

itazurakko: gaspode: I did couch it in hyperbole, but as a serious question.. can you imagine that if the shooting had been the other way around that the kid would have been anything other than jail-bound?

Exactly this too.

Heck, the kid is DEAD, and people are posting insinuations that surely he must have deserved this in one way or another, and that's death not even just jail.

That's what gets people upset.

Who said he deserved it...besides 9beers?

vygramul: Are you a 30-something skinhead?

Do yourself a favor, and listen to 9-1-1 when they tell you not to accost a black child in a dark neighborhood.

The more you know.

Actually,,, I think it's the other way around.

topcon: Why do people keep bringing up what the dispatcher said as if it's binding somehow, and you MUST do what a dispatcher says, otherwise you go to jail? Lots of plausible arguments either way in this case, but the dispatcher angle isn't one of them.

It's the most tiresome thing being repeated time and time again.

Because the dispatcher is just "reminding" him of the law. We don't need you to do that because that would be a great reason for you to do something stupid like kill a kid and expect to get off. But we don't need you to do that.

CrispFlows: Transubstantive: Source (new window) and it's even from Fox News in case you have super derpy friends.

Interesting. In that source, it says that Zimmerman suffered head injuries requiring stitches.

Thanks for you know what. That was very kind of you.

Will people be more outraged if he's never tried or if he gets convicted of manslaughter and serves a year in jail with four years probation?

osafer: Revmachine21: Checked the videos, and agree it's not good enough quality to see smaller details.

That said, if you shot somebody who was beating you up because "you feared for your life", I kind of expect a person to look worse than this, and have stuff wrong with him that would be more visible.

He's upright, walking well with out any gingerness, no bandages, no ripped clothing, he's got balance, nobody is helping him maintain balance, or helping him walk.

I saw worse messes in high school fistfights.

How long after the fight was the video taken? 5 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 hours? Why did they cut off the time stamp? This whole case stinks, it happened over a month ago, but now the media is blowing it up, calling a Hispanic a white guy, fanning the racial division in our country for no reason. This case may or may not have anything to do with race, but according to the powers to be it is all about race. I hate racebaters exploiting this tragedy to push their agenda. I am looking at you Jackson and Sharpton....

The POLICE initially called the guy a white guy.

Protip: If people's first gut reaction of you seeing you on the street in person is that you're white, you have white privilege. That's how it works. Doesn't mean you need to identify as white.

ununcle: Ok,, Has anyone pointed out the screams on the tape sound nothing like a 17 year football player and everything like a late 20's neighborhood watch guy?

Martin's dad did.

MFAWG: osafer: Revmachine21: Checked the videos, and agree it's not good enough quality to see smaller details.

That said, if you shot somebody who was beating you up because "you feared for your life", I kind of expect a person to look worse than this, and have stuff wrong with him that would be more visible.

He's upright, walking well with out any gingerness, no bandages, no ripped clothing, he's got balance, nobody is helping him maintain balance, or helping him walk.

I saw worse messes in high school fistfights.

How long after the fight was the video taken? 5 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 hours? Why did they cut off the time stamp? This whole case stinks, it happened over a month ago, but now the media is blowing it up, calling a Hispanic a white guy, fanning the racial division in our country for no reason. This case may or may not have anything to do with race, but according to the powers to be it is all about race. I hate racebaters exploiting this tragedy to push their agenda. I am looking at you Jackson and Sharpton....

The media didn't start blowing it up until the cops released the 911 tapes, and those tapes appeared at first blush to directly contradict the PD and Zimmerman's story.

And now we have a guy whose head was supposedly bashed into the sidewalk multiple times who has very few marks on him shortly after the life or death struggle.

But yes, it's the liberals who are screwing this all up.

Don't you think it kinda funny they are pushing this to a white vs black thing? It was a Hispanic that shot a killed a black, but for the first time in all my years the media is reporting a Hispanic as "White Hispanic". I am not saying this is not a tragedy or a crime, but why are they not considering a hispanic a minority? I don't like anyone pushing their agenda, but especially the supposed unbiased media.

So, I peeked in over at free republic to see how they responded to this video, and while they didn't seem to have this story, they did have one about Zimmerman's father claiming that Martin threatened to kill him.

In it. I found this gem:

"Yup, the real "issue" for the predator underclass is that their prey are shooting back."


Yup, racism is totally not an issue in our society anymore... especially among conservatives. Why are liberals always drumming up BS race wars?

SCREW YOU LIBS, IM AN AMERICAN END I HAVE A RIGHT TO STAND MY GROUD WEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT

Shoot the little punk again...right in the grill !

MFAWG: The media didn't start blowing it up until the cops released the 911 tapes, and those tapes appeared at first blush to directly contradict the PD and Zimmerman's story.

The media initially portrayed that it was Treyvon Martin heard crying on the 911 calls, which they replayed for us over and over again to show how a "white" guy chased down, beat up, and then shot a black 12ish looking year old boy while he pleaded for his life.

And almost every single one of those details has been proven false by now, even though it was all widely available and published the very next day after the shooting.

s2s2s2: Martin's dad did.

Really? Martins dad Pointed out the screaming on the 911 tape was Zimmerman? Because that would rap this up.

osafer: MFAWG: osafer: Revmachine21: Checked the videos, and agree it's not good enough quality to see smaller details.

That said, if you shot somebody who was beating you up because "you feared for your life", I kind of expect a person to look worse than this, and have stuff wrong with him that would be more visible.

He's upright, walking well with out any gingerness, no bandages, no ripped clothing, he's got balance, nobody is helping him maintain balance, or helping him walk.

I saw worse messes in high school fistfights.

How long after the fight was the video taken? 5 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 hours? Why did they cut off the time stamp? This whole case stinks, it happened over a month ago, but now the media is blowing it up, calling a Hispanic a white guy, fanning the racial division in our country for no reason. This case may or may not have anything to do with race, but according to the powers to be it is all about race. I hate racebaters exploiting this tragedy to push their agenda. I am looking at you Jackson and Sharpton....

The media didn't start blowing it up until the cops released the 911 tapes, and those tapes appeared at first blush to directly contradict the PD and Zimmerman's story.

And now we have a guy whose head was supposedly bashed into the sidewalk multiple times who has very few marks on him shortly after the life or death struggle.

But yes, it's the liberals who are screwing this all up.

Don't you think it kinda funny they are pushing this to a white vs black thing? It was a Hispanic that shot a killed a black, but for the first time in all my years the media is reporting a Hispanic as "White Hispanic". I am not saying this is not a tragedy or a crime, but why are they not considering a hispanic a minority? I don't like anyone pushing their agenda, but especially the supposed unbiased media.

No, what I think is funny is that nobody seems to able to look at Trayvon Martin and see his or herself in that position.

I actually find it kind of sad.

deschinc: Because the dispatcher is just "reminding" him of the law. We don't need you to do that because that would be a great reason for you to do something stupid like kill a kid and expect to get off. But we don't need you to do that.

the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that." As in-- me, who works for the police, and by extension, we--the entire police department.

/It's a dumb point anyway, but he did say "we."

ununcle: s2s2s2: Martin's dad did.

Really? Martins dad Pointed out the screaming on the 911 tape was Zimmerman? Because that would rap this up.

Is there a good link about that? I tried looking yesterday but didn't have much luck (usually Wikipedia is pretty quick with sourced links to new data but not so much on that).

itazurakko: Protip: If people's first gut reaction of you seeing you on the street in person is that you're white, you have white privilege. That's how it works. Doesn't mean you need to identify as white.

Then why did they doctor the photograph?



Zimmerman's learning all about "white privilege". Right now everyone of hispanic heritage with a white sound name is changing their surname to Gonzalez.

ununcle: s2s2s2: Martin's dad did.

Really? Martins dad Pointed out the screaming on the 911 tape was Zimmerman? Because that would rap this up.

I linked it earlier. I think in this thread. About halfway through, they report it.

ChuDogg: itazurakko: Protip: If people's first gut reaction of you seeing you on the street in person is that you're white, you have white privilege. That's how it works. Doesn't mean you need to identify as white.

Then why did they doctor the photograph?>

Do you really not know how camera flashes work?

itazurakko: osafer: Revmachine21: Checked the videos, and agree it's not good enough quality to see smaller details.

That said, if you shot somebody who was beating you up because "you feared for your life", I kind of expect a person to look worse than this, and have stuff wrong with him that would be more visible.

He's upright, walking well with out any gingerness, no bandages, no ripped clothing, he's got balance, nobody is helping him maintain balance, or helping him walk.

I saw worse messes in high school fistfights.

How long after the fight was the video taken? 5 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 hours? Why did they cut off the time stamp? This whole case stinks, it happened over a month ago, but now the media is blowing it up, calling a Hispanic a white guy, fanning the racial division in our country for no reason. This case may or may not have anything to do with race, but according to the powers to be it is all about race. I hate racebaters exploiting this tragedy to push their agenda. I am looking at you Jackson and Sharpton....

The POLICE initially called the guy a white guy.

Protip: If people's first gut reaction of you seeing you on the street in person is that you're white, you have white privilege. That's how it works. Doesn't mean you need to identify as white.



What a white guy might look like...

And on a side note shove you f-ing white privilege up your ass, I came from nothing and earned everything I have no one gave me anything, I refuse to feel guilt over some made up term as white privilege

cryinoutloud: deschinc: Because the dispatcher is just "reminding" him of the law. We don't need you to do that because that would be a great reason for you to do something stupid like kill a kid and expect to get off. But we don't need you to do that.

the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that." As in-- me, who works for the police, and by extension, we--the entire police department.

/It's a dumb point anyway, but he did say "we."

Oh, I agree. That should count as the "royal" we. Has it been brought up yet that carrying while on neighborhood watch duty is questionable at best? That fact kinda predisposes me to think he was looking to use it.

ChuDogg: itazurakko: Protip: If people's first gut reaction of you seeing you on the street in person is that you're white, you have white privilege. That's how it works. Doesn't mean you need to identify as white.

Then why did they doctor the photograph?



Zimmerman's learning all about "white privilege". Right now everyone of hispanic heritage with a white sound name is changing their surname to Gonzalez.

Hey, he looks swarthy to me too. But regardless, the police had him as white - it's not some media conspiracy, and in fact they quickly updated their references even.

Falcon Hunter: Daraymann: gaspode: Daraymann:
/If the shooter was black, nobody would care.


If the shooter was black he would be in jail or a morgue. The police don't fark about when its an armed black man. I mean are you seriously suggesting that if Martin had shot Zimmerman dead he would have been let off without charge? really really?

But the shooter was Mexican, so I guess they get a free pass now.

This should play well come election time.

President Obama: "If I had a kid, he'd be Trayvon."
Media: "A Mexican shot and killed a misbehaving black kid in Florida."
Dems: "Uhh...he was half-white."
Media: "And half Mexican."
Dems: "But we don't want to alienate blacks -or- Mexicans...shiat."
Media: "Problem?"

George Zimmerman isn't Mexican, dumbass. He's half Peruvian. Are you of the "all Hispanics are the same" type? Way to be an idiot and pre-judge based on stereotypes while simultaneously trying to mock others for doing so.

I suggest that you try walking up to a Peruvian person in real life and calling him a Mexican and see if he doesn't punch you in the face.

osafer: itazurakko: osafer: Revmachine21: Checked the videos, and agree it's not good enough quality to see smaller details.

That said, if you shot somebody who was beating you up because "you feared for your life", I kind of expect a person to look worse than this, and have stuff wrong with him that would be more visible.

He's upright, walking well with out any gingerness, no bandages, no ripped clothing, he's got balance, nobody is helping him maintain balance, or helping him walk.

I saw worse messes in high school fistfights.

How long after the fight was the video taken? 5 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 hours? Why did they cut off the time stamp? This whole case stinks, it happened over a month ago, but now the media is blowing it up, calling a Hispanic a white guy, fanning the racial division in our country for no reason. This case may or may not have anything to do with race, but according to the powers to be it is all about race. I hate racebaters exploiting this tragedy to push their agenda. I am looking at you Jackson and Sharpton....

The POLICE initially called the guy a white guy.

Protip: If people's first gut reaction of you seeing you on the street in person is that you're white, you have white privilege. That's how it works. Doesn't mean you need to identify as white.



What a white guy might look like...

And on a side note shove you f-ing white privilege up your ass, I came from nothing and earned everything I have no one gave me anything, I refuse to feel guilt over some made up term as white privilege

LOL.

The jews are just trying to divert attention from the middle east.