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(ABC)   George Zimmerman on video after the shooting. Funny, those massive head injuries seem to have healed fast, and where's all the blood that should have stained his shirt from shooting someone who was on top of him?   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 1167
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2012-03-28 10:36:00 PM  

I Said: gonzoduke: I'd think he doesn't have grass stains because he "allegedly" banged his head on the concrete sidewalk I though I read somewhere. Last time I checked, concrete doesn't leave grass stains.

/Zimmerman is farked

I might be messing up my stories, but I thought the "grass stains" came from an account by one of the cops on the scene, as a reason they thought he was acting in self defense.


I'll admit, I'm not as up to date on this story as I should be. All I know this is a really farked up situation that isn't going to end well
 
2012-03-28 10:36:27 PM  

badhatharry: [29.media.tumblr.com image 400x300]


http://i.imgur.com/14Es0.jpg
 
2012-03-28 10:36:46 PM  

furiousxgeorge: If you can't tell two black people apart when pictured side by side, you might be a racist.


Don't for a farking second try to tell me that you knew that wasn't Martin when you first saw it.
 
2012-03-28 10:37:02 PM  

Rincewind53: badhatharry: [29.media.tumblr.com image 400x300]

FTFM


i.imgur.com
 
2012-03-28 10:37:09 PM  

RealAmericanHero: /Then again, this is Fark, so I guess no one gives a shiat what is said here anyway... but hey, I'll try to do my part wherever I am


Confirmation bias on my Fark? WTF?
 
2012-03-28 10:37:27 PM  

Rincewind53: badhatharry: [29.media.tumblr.com image 400x300]

http://i.imgur.com/14Es0.jpg


Are you a seal master?!
 
2012-03-28 10:37:28 PM  
No grass stains. No bandages. No blood. Barely any signs of a struggle.

No signs of a struggle on Martin. Martin was found face down with his arms beneath him.

Someone's got some 'splainin to do.
 
2012-03-28 10:37:46 PM  
I'm really shocked at the responses---cuts are treated differently by first responders (from liquid wound to a cut being coagulated deemed not urgent to treat, etc). I've seen people come in with a cut they didn't know existed (thought it was a bruise when it was a small eschar covered hematoma to people coming in with a abd pad over a small cat scratch.

It really just depends on who saw it (or didn't), how they treated (or didn't) and if it would show up on a grainy camera (it possibly wouldn't). Regardless, they need to investigate this--but how anyone could declare this proves anything--either way---well you're just showing your bias.
 
2012-03-28 10:38:06 PM  

CornDog in 2012: Fubar: Just showed my dad the video. His response?

"I don't think that's him"

Is it your bedtime yet?


Ooh clever, let me lower the bar a little...

Not according to your mom.
 
2012-03-28 10:38:31 PM  

9beers: ou know, I haven't even seen this reported on TV today, why do you think that is?


Probably because you are too stupid to figure out how to do a 10 second google search.
 
2012-03-28 10:38:37 PM  

9beers: So why aren't we talking about the dozens of black teens that looted a Miami Walgreens today in what they called a "Treyvon Martin protest"? You know, I haven't even seen this reported on TV today, why do you think that is?



I heard it was planned by al qaeda and tomorrow they will knock over a card stand
 
2012-03-28 10:38:39 PM  

9beers: So why aren't we talking about the dozens of black teens that looted a Miami Walgreens today in what they called a "Treyvon Martin protest"? You know, I haven't even seen this reported on TV today, why do you think that is?


Dude, really, you're not helping matters at all. So please, just stop.
 
2012-03-28 10:38:41 PM  

Dougie AXP: I Said: Fubar: Just showed my dad the video. His response?

"I don't think that's him"

Tell him it's not, it's video of the guy who forged Obama's birth certificate. We finally caught him.

That's what I plan to tell my grandfather if he says something similar.

You've missed Raw the last few weeks....foreshame!

and this video does contradict everything he said.


Brand new nephew :)

Had obligations to make. But I thought I only missed this Monday, not the previous.
 
2012-03-28 10:39:16 PM  
I've enhanced the image. Clearly his nose is okay.

24.media.tumblr.com


Seriously guys, let the authorities do their job. All your armchair sleuthing won't change a light bulb in this case.
 
2012-03-28 10:39:22 PM  

gonzoduke: I'd think he doesn't have grass stains because he "allegedly" banged his head on the concrete sidewalk I though I read somewhere. Last time I checked, concrete doesn't leave grass stains.

/Zimmerman is farked


So you can't think of any possible way that his head hit concrete while his back was covered in grass? Would you like a diagram to help you out?
 
2012-03-28 10:39:33 PM  

9beers: furiousxgeorge: If you can't tell two black people apart when pictured side by side, you might be a racist.

Don't for a farking second try to tell me that you knew that wasn't Martin when you first saw it.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-03-28 10:39:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: frostdillicus: cameroncrazy1984: elffster: I wonder how many comments the defenders of derp will have plastered in here by noon tomorrow? anyone care to guess?

If there was a real number less than zero, that would be it.

There are in fact an infinite amount of real numbers less than zero.

/just sayin...

Dammit. Should've said integer?

/math was never my strong suit.


Nope, there's an infinite number of integers less than zero as well. Maybe "I'd guess less than zero if it were possible to post a negative number of comments" is what you meant.
 
2012-03-28 10:39:38 PM  

CrispFlows: Warthog: His nose does look broken to me, and in one of those screen shots you can see scrapes on the back of his head.

You suppose they changed his shirt to a clean one? Or that he somehow managed to get a broken nose that doesn't bleed and kept his shirt clean?


I got sucker punched at a bar one night about 20 years ago and it broke my nose, fought the guy for about another 30 to 60 seconds until it got broke up. Not a single drop of blood on my clothes and I was bleeding profusely.
 
2012-03-28 10:39:43 PM  

furiousxgeorge: CrAz3D: grainy video that shows basically grainy grain-like grains. DEFINITELY proof of X.

It shows the injuries to his head were not severe enough for the paramedics to even give him a band-aid.


Head smashing cut result in minor cuts and more bruising/swelling than anything. And you can't really bandaid a nose. You can shove stuff up there, but maybe it had stopped bleeding? What time elapsed?


Delay: CrAz3D: Eventually, a physician's report will tell definitively whether Z had a broken nose or head abrasions.

Were they asked to check? And did they determine whether Zimmerman tested positive for any drugs? Guess not. Why was that? They were not instructed to check.

Physician reports are not definitive. They have to be directed what to report. Have you ever even attended a trial?

If a doctor checks out a guy for a broken nose and doesn't write down whether or not he has a broken nose, something is mad-wrong with the PD/hospital/doc. And while I have attended trials, I haven't attended one where it was stated that _cops_ tell the _docs_ what to write in regard to a person's medical condition. In fact, I've never heard of a cop dictating what a doctor must report as it relates to a physical injury. In my experience of reading medical records (public hospitals, private hospitals, and jail hospitals), med staff seem to be the reporters on their reports.
 
2012-03-28 10:39:46 PM  

9beers: furiousxgeorge: If you can't tell two black people apart when pictured side by side, you might be a racist.

Don't for a farking second try to tell me that you knew that wasn't Martin when you first saw it.


You're right. It's easy to make that mistake when they all look alike.
 
2012-03-28 10:39:53 PM  

Rincewind53: Rincewind53: badhatharry: [29.media.tumblr.com image 400x300]

FTFM

[i.imgur.com image 409x600]


This is my favorite one, which is tough since their all awesome and I'm stealing each one.

I'll favorite you in exchange, which makes us even.
 
Ehh
2012-03-28 10:40:41 PM  
My first thought was that he doesn't look to weigh anywhere near 300 pounds. He looks fit. Also, I thought he wasn't arrested. That is all.
 
2012-03-28 10:41:01 PM  
Let's try a hypothetical scenario. I'm following someone I saw snooping around my neighbors house, the guy gets pissed and starts coming after me with a baseball bat. Am I supposed to just stand there and get beat to death? If I pull out a gun and shoot the guy am I guilty of murder or is it self defense? What a lot of people seem to be saying is that it doesn't matter what happened in the fight because Zimmerman started it by following him. This is really a ridiculous statement, if your life is in danger you are justified in defending yourself.

Why invent the baseball bat? Because it sounds ridiculous when it's an unarmed kid who is much thinner than the other guy, we know. Look, here's the thing. We know for a fact Zimmerman was chasing and Martin was running. Zimmerman's claim is that this situation reversed but there is no evidence to back that up aside from his claim. We don't know who struck first.

Maybe that is enough for reasonable doubt in a courtroom, and if that's the case that's the case. But to me, Zimmerman is the only with a history of violence against police and women. Martin has no similar history of violence. I'm gonna assume the violent, armed guy is the one more likely to start a fight, not that some kid who was running scared randomly turned to confront a bigger man when all he had to do was keep running home and get his dad.

He may get off, and that's how the system works, but I don't buy Zimmerman's story at all.
 
2012-03-28 10:41:03 PM  

9beers: cameroncrazy1984: Then why is there an investigation going on?

Because the blacks are uppity.


9beers: So why aren't we talking about the dozens of black teens that looted a Miami Walgreens today in what they called a "Treyvon Martin protest"? You know, I haven't even seen this reported on TV today, why do you think that is?


i855.photobucket.com

i.imgur.com

i855.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-28 10:41:14 PM  

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Who's the liberal cumquat that keeps posting these stupid headlines?

Racism racism racism!!!

I'm sick of this crap.

I don't care about some delinquent that got shot or the the guy that shot him. Yes I think Martin was in the wrong and so was zim. Shoot them both. This isn't a race issue. No no no it isn't. Yes I hear you. Sorry, it still isn't.


Yes it is.

/Sorry real life makes you sick.
//Twat.
 
2012-03-28 10:41:19 PM  

Giltric: RealAmericanHero: /Then again, this is Fark, so I guess no one gives a shiat what is said here anyway... but hey, I'll try to do my part wherever I am

Confirmation bias on my Fark? WTF?


I tried to install the Wason selection task as a requirement before you post, but it never took off
 
2012-03-28 10:41:21 PM  

Giltric: Some corpsmen carry tampons in their kit for bullet wounds....


Hopefully not these... (new window)
 
2012-03-28 10:41:25 PM  
WAIT!!!!! STOP POSTING!!!!!

The reason we keep going in circles is because we are stuck in a temporal loop! I must have been trying to tell myself this from previous experiences. There are three condensation rings on my desk yet I only have had one bombay saphire and tonic. It all makes sense now.


I'm gonna need some ball bearings, 30 weight oil and an inverted Tachyon pulse to get us out of this mess.
 
2012-03-28 10:41:27 PM  

I Said: Dougie AXP: I Said: Fubar: Just showed my dad the video. His response?

"I don't think that's him"

Tell him it's not, it's video of the guy who forged Obama's birth certificate. We finally caught him.

That's what I plan to tell my grandfather if he says something similar.

You've missed Raw the last few weeks....foreshame!

and this video does contradict everything he said.

Brand new nephew :)

Had obligations to make. But I thought I only missed this Monday, not the previous.


Mazal Tov!

Hope to see you in the grand daddy of em all thread.
 
2012-03-28 10:41:48 PM  
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Just get some good lawyers...problem solved!
 
2012-03-28 10:41:58 PM  

hourheroyes: Rincewind53: badhatharry: [29.media.tumblr.com image 400x300]

http://i.imgur.com/14Es0.jpg

Are you a seal master?!


i.imgur.com
 
2012-03-28 10:41:58 PM  

Dinki: Probably because you are too stupid to figure out how to do a 10 second google search.


So a Google search will tell me why they weren't showing it on TV? That's strange, please explain.
 
2012-03-28 10:42:18 PM  

RealAmericanHero: I've posted numerous times and people keep posting the same BS, so I'll just say this and walk away...

It's a video that's 240p at best. You can't make these details out at that quality. I think Zimmerman committed a crime and Zimmerman should be charged. That said, you're not helping by trying to form a lynch mob based on bullshiat. Something some guy said up above about CSI "Zoom and Enhance" is dead on. It's 240p at best, and nothing is going to make it better. You can't see what you think you're seeing. Focus on the reality and not the hype.

/Then again, this is Fark, so I guess no one gives a shiat what is said here anyway... but hey, I'll try to do my part wherever I am


Can some one post the 911 calls again? I lost them and Google wants me to check a zillion sites.
 
2012-03-28 10:43:11 PM  

Rincewind53: hourheroyes: Rincewind53: badhatharry: [29.media.tumblr.com image 400x300]

http://i.imgur.com/14Es0.jpg

Are you a seal master?!

[i.imgur.com image 640x435]


Truly, I have been kissed by a rose on the grave.
 
2012-03-28 10:43:26 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Ace Rimmer: But, where are the grass stains?

This is my issue with the video. Unless we are to throw out two eyewitness testimonies that the two were scuffling in the grass, there is something off.


Didn't one of the police officers specifically say Zimmerman had grass stains on his back?
 
2012-03-28 10:44:02 PM  

9beers: furiousxgeorge: If you can't tell two black people apart when pictured side by side, you might be a racist.

Don't for a farking second try to tell me that you knew that wasn't Martin when you first saw it.


Hahahahaha. It's not that hard dude.
 
2012-03-28 10:44:03 PM  

9beers: Dinki: Probably because you are too stupid to figure out how to do a 10 second google search.

So a Google search will tell me why they weren't showing it on TV? That's strange, please explain.


Because no one outside of Miami gives a shiat?

/Even the Miami stations only covered it for 10 seconds
 
2012-03-28 10:44:09 PM  

gonzoduke: Dude, really, you're not helping matters at all. So please, just stop.


Stop what, trying to ensure that all stories related to this incident are being covered?
 
2012-03-28 10:44:12 PM  

I Said:
This is my favorite one, which is tough since their all awesome and I'm stealing each one.

I'll favorite you in exchange, which makes us even.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-03-28 10:44:19 PM  

9beers: gonzoduke: I'd think he doesn't have grass stains because he "allegedly" banged his head on the concrete sidewalk I though I read somewhere. Last time I checked, concrete doesn't leave grass stains.

/Zimmerman is farked

So you can't think of any possible way that his head hit concrete while his back was covered in grass? Would you like a diagram to help you out?


Don't try to make me look like the stupid one here, buddy. I'm probably more edumacated that you are so bite me.

*reads back on 9beers posts

In fact, I KNOW I'm more edumacated.
 
2012-03-28 10:44:23 PM  

ChuDogg: [img715.imageshack.us image 640x399]

More detail here (new window)

At about 2:15 in the call, you can hear Zimmerman step out of the car (the open door alarm goes off in the background) and mentions that Martin is running towards to the back entrance. As the dispatch told him to "let him know if he does anything else" in fact, he asked him twice. So Zimmerman steps out of the car to direct the dispatch to the exit.

At 2:30, the dispatch asks if he is following and says "we don't need you to do that", and at about 2:40 Zimmerman says "he ran" in a dismissive tone, indicating he can not see where he went down the "cut through". His breathing also normalizes as you can tell he is no longer running.

So the entire "chase" was a really a brisk walk across about 20-30 meters of lawn (for reference, the driveways are 1 car length), to get around the corner of the complex to observe Martin's escape so he could direct the 911 dispatch. The entire "he was told to stand down" was about 10 seconds long, just enough for Zimmerman to round a few feet of the corner of the complex that was obstructing his view.

Now we don't know who started the altercation, only that it happened right there and probably very shortly after the 911 call (indeed, Martin likely heard ZImmerman on the phone with the police). But there is no evidence to suggest Zimmerman attacked Martin.

In fact, all evidence appears to show he is innocent. Compared to the narrative we first heard when the story broke: Zimmerman chased and gunned down an innocent kid as he was screaming helplessly for his life. We all see Treyvon's mother crying in horror on national TV as she listened to Zimmerman screaming, thinking it was her son. Now that it's been pointed out routinely that all evidence points to Zimmerman screaming, we're led to believe Zimmerman chased and pursued Martin as that was evidence he initiated the violence. Yet this chase lasted a whole 35 seconds during a brief walk across a single patch of lawn, ...


I have a number of relatives that would have shot him dead as well, and then carved a notch in their weapon. Especially after exhausting that much effort hunting the little guy down.
 
2012-03-28 10:44:26 PM  

9beers: furiousxgeorge: If you can't tell two black people apart when pictured side by side, you might be a racist.

Don't for a farking second try to tell me that you knew that wasn't Martin when you first saw it.


Um, I did. You know why? Because the guy in that pic LOOKS NOTHING LIKE HIM!

/do you also have trouble differentiating between Will Smith and Martin Lawrence when you watch Bad Boys?
 
2012-03-28 10:44:33 PM  

ununcle: Can some one post the 911 calls again? I lost them and Google wants me to check a zillion sites.


The facts, including the 911 call, lead me to believe Zimmerman is guilty. However, my point applies only to this video.

People are getting all worked up over shiat that doesn't matter.
 
2012-03-28 10:44:38 PM  

9beers: New thread!!!!!! Hahaha this shiat is awesome. Somebody call Florida and tell them not to bother with a grand jury because Fark has this shiat all figured out.

George Zimmerman has not been charged with a crime because there is not evidence that he committed any.

Fark makes money based on page views, right?


I understand having a severe empathy disorder can be difficult, and as such, here's a handy little rule of thumb you might want to know. It's okay to judge people in some situations. If you're alone at night, gun or not, that's a good time to judge--that guy in the hoodie who looks scary might be okay, but he might be someone dangerous, so just stay away. If you feel really threatened, call 911.

However, if when you have called 911, they tell you to do something like stay away or go home, do not stalk, chase, and assault a teen boy. And especially do not be so cowardly as to pull a gun on him, no matter what.

Just a quick tip for you.
 
2012-03-28 10:44:40 PM  

Ace Rimmer: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Ace Rimmer: But, where are the grass stains?

This is my issue with the video. Unless we are to throw out two eyewitness testimonies that the two were scuffling in the grass, there is something off.

Didn't one of the police officers specifically say Zimmerman had grass stains on his back?


Video evidence tends to trump eyewitness evidence.
 
2012-03-28 10:44:46 PM  

9beers: So why aren't we talking about the dozens of black teens that looted a Miami Walgreens today in what they called a "Treyvon Martin protest"? You know, I haven't even seen this reported on TV today, why do you think that is?


Because it has no bearing?
 
2012-03-28 10:44:47 PM  

itazurakko: tinyarena: Any questions? Anyone? Bueller?

Well, one obvious explanation for the police report is that "bleeding" from the nose and the back of the head says nothing about the severity. He maybe has a bump on his head that bled slightly, and got a regular nosebleed, those two things indeed would clean up fast and not be noticeable.

So it's possible for this to match the police report of his condition, sure.

What it doesn't seem to match (IMHO) is all the hype version we've seen afterward in countless places all over the internet, where suddenly Zimmerman was getting his head "repeatedly bashed into the concrete" and "his nose was broken" and all the rest.


The cop said bleeding from nose and back of head. Watch the video.There is no blood on his shirt. There is no blood on his back. There is no blood. And yes, I do know blood when I see it. In fact, there is no mark on him at all. My, this is guy is so neat.
 
2012-03-28 10:45:09 PM  

Dougie AXP: I Said: Dougie AXP: I Said: Fubar: Just showed my dad the video. His response?

"I don't think that's him"

Tell him it's not, it's video of the guy who forged Obama's birth certificate. We finally caught him.

That's what I plan to tell my grandfather if he says something similar.

You've missed Raw the last few weeks....foreshame!

and this video does contradict everything he said.

Brand new nephew :)

Had obligations to make. But I thought I only missed this Monday, not the previous.

Mazal Tov!

Hope to see you in the grand daddy of em all thread.


OH shiat. Yeah, I'll be there. Need to record Game of Thrones, though. Goddammit.
 
2012-03-28 10:45:31 PM  

fredklein: One Bad Apple: fredklein: ElBarto79: Let's be very clear, at no point did anyone tell Zimmerman to stop, no one told him to return to his car, no one told him "don't do that". What the police dispatcher said, verbatim, was "we don't need you to do that". It's the difference between a suggestion, and a specific instruction.

When a cop says "May I have your license and registration, please?", do you honestly think that's not a demand?

This just in: people in power sometimes phrase orders as requests.

You can always try "no thank you" but there will be a follow up to that request which is far more direct. Asking nicely is just a personal touch of that individual. It also depends on what you did too. If you got pulled over for going 70 MPH in a school zone there will not be a "please" involved. The same cop can ask politely if you will consent to a search of your vehicle but THAT is not an order. You can (and I have) say "no"

The point being that "We don't need you to do that" could be a polite way to issue the order "Don't do that". Tone of voice, the exact words chosen, the situation, what the people are thinking, it's all important, and we only know some of it. Usually, however, when a cop "makes a suggestion", it's an order.


Let's make another thing clear - Zimmerman was not talking to a cop, he was talking to a police dispatcher. I don't know that they have the training or authority to issue instructions in a situation like this. Which may be why he phrased it as a suggestion instead. You can certainly be charged with not heeding a police officers instructions. I don't know that you are required to follow a dispatchers instructions.
 
2012-03-28 10:45:32 PM  
It occurs to me (since I just posted it in the other thread) that if I'd just killed a guy and was injured and bleeding, I wouldn't be worrying too much about how my clothes looked. I'd wipe my hands and my nose and my head all over my shirt. Yet this guy is spotless.

Plus he got a broken nose, but there's not one spot of blood on his shirt? Not even a little?
 
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