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2012-03-28 07:49:10 PM  
there is a way subby, it's called vaccination (new window)

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2012-03-28 07:52:30 PM  
This thread will be full of calm educated discussion on the topic of vaccination.
 
2012-03-28 07:55:57 PM  
 
2012-03-28 07:56:42 PM  
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2012-03-28 07:57:32 PM  
Any kid that is diagnosed needs to be kicked out of school until medically cleared. Period.

And their farktard parents (all of whom got the vaccine as kids because their parents weren't complete asshats) need to be reported for reckless endangerment of a child and the public at large.
 
2012-03-28 07:57:58 PM  

calbert: there is a way subby, it's called vaccination (new window)

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whoa, subby got BURNED
 
2012-03-28 07:58:22 PM  
"The vaccine we get as children typically wears off as an adult," said Church.

The above is the real problem. I'm as pro-vaccine as you can get but two or three years ago I was all but coughing up my liver in my kids' pediatricians' office when he remarked "If I didn't know better, I'd think you had whooping cough." Later, my own doctor made a similar remark. I was very sick and coughed for an unreasonably long time. It just went on and on.

The next year the CDC issued an advisory stating that the whooping cough vaccine does not provide life long protection. I got the shot, but I still meet other adults who have no idea that they need to get a booster. Doctors forget to tell people.
 
2012-03-28 08:01:29 PM  
FTFA: Doctors typically give whooping couch patients five days of antibiotics.
 
2012-03-28 08:04:16 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: FTFA: Doctors typically give whooping couch patients five days of antibiotics.


Did you not find any grammetical errors in the OCD article or thread?
 
2012-03-28 08:05:13 PM  
images.starpulse.com


The pro vax cause needs some celebrity endorsements and a catchy jingle :

*Cough cough* , whoop-whoop Why you all in my ear?
Hackin' a whole bunch a phlegm that I ain't tryin to hear.
Get Vaxed! Get Vaxed! You don't know me like that.
Get Vaxed ! Get Vaxed ! You don't know me like that!
 
2012-03-28 08:13:38 PM  
FWIW, back in 1998 I caught pertussis (whooping cough). It was tough to diagnose, because back then it was rare among adults and I had had my DPT series of vaccinations. Turns out the pertussis vaccination wears off eventually.

Pertussis is a serious disease. You get it for several months, not days. And you cough hard enough to crack ribs. They put me on Zithromax for four weeks. Eventually I got better, but my lung capacity was ultimately reduced by about a third.

Update your DPT vaccine. You do not want whooping cough.

/csb
 
2012-03-28 08:14:14 PM  

Lunaville: "The vaccine we get as children typically wears off as an adult," said Church.

The above is the real problem. I'm as pro-vaccine as you can get but two or three years ago I was all but coughing up my liver in my kids' pediatricians' office when he remarked "If I didn't know better, I'd think you had whooping cough." Later, my own doctor made a similar remark. I was very sick and coughed for an unreasonably long time. It just went on and on.

The next year the CDC issued an advisory stating that the whooping cough vaccine does not provide life long protection. I got the shot, but I still meet other adults who have no idea that they need to get a booster. Doctors forget to tell people.


I'm not a doctor, or have any medical knowledge at all, but i'm gonna go ahead and assume by the time your an adult you have a decent enough immune system to fight off whooping cough before it becomes a concern, or even becomes contagious. If not... Darwin wins.
 
2012-03-28 08:15:46 PM  
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I see what you did there.
 
2012-03-28 08:16:06 PM  

ad_rizzle: Mike Chewbacca: FTFA: Doctors typically give whooping couch patients five days of antibiotics.

Did you not find any grammetical errors in the OCD article or thread?


I tried to do an image search for "whooping couch" but none of the SFW results were worth posting. I did find a kind of funny one of David Tennant, though.
 
2012-03-28 08:29:39 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: ad_rizzle: Mike Chewbacca: FTFA: Doctors typically give whooping couch patients five days of antibiotics.

Did you not find any grammetical errors in the OCD article or thread?

I tried to do an image search for "whooping couch" but none of the SFW results were worth posting. I did find a kind of funny one of David Tennant, though.


streetknowledge.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-03-28 08:34:48 PM  

Lunaville: "The vaccine we get as children typically wears off as an adult," said Church.

The above is the real problem. I'm as pro-vaccine as you can get but two or three years ago I was all but coughing up my liver in my kids' pediatricians' office when he remarked "If I didn't know better, I'd think you had whooping cough." Later, my own doctor made a similar remark. I was very sick and coughed for an unreasonably long time. It just went on and on.

The next year the CDC issued an advisory stating that the whooping cough vaccine does not provide life long protection. I got the shot, but I still meet other adults who have no idea that they need to get a booster. Doctors forget to tell people.


I'm sure all the parents of the children exposed to you gave a hearty thanks.
 
2012-03-28 08:39:10 PM  

fusillade762: Mike Chewbacca: ad_rizzle: Mike Chewbacca: FTFA: Doctors typically give whooping couch patients five days of antibiotics.

Did you not find any grammetical errors in the OCD article or thread?

I tried to do an image search for "whooping couch" but none of the SFW results were worth posting. I did find a kind of funny one of David Tennant, though.

[streetknowledge.files.wordpress.com image 470x309]


images.cheezburger.com
 
2012-03-28 08:47:11 PM  
Yesterday on Facebook, one of my cousins posted a link to this article. (new window)

She included this statement with the link, "Just when you thought the toxins in vaccines were our only problem...You have got to be kidding me!! Let me be clear...Human fetus tissue/blood in the vaccines are kids get. "

One of her friends then posted this comment, "Is it any wonder our gene pools are turning into swamps?"

I had no idea that, in addition to the whole autism scare, there is also an anti-abortion stance and a genetic purity stance against vaccines.
 
2012-03-28 08:49:04 PM  
I've been hearing all about this as I live in Seattle and had a baby two weeks ago; whooping cough is bad enough in adults and older children, and it can kill infants. Every adult in the house has gotten a Tdap during the last month and my other kids are up to date as well.

/still paranoid about taking her out much before her two-month shots
//we live five blocks away from a hippie school with some ridiculously low vaccination rate.
 
2012-03-28 08:55:00 PM  

RenownedCurator: I've been hearing all about this as I live in Seattle and had a baby two weeks ago; whooping cough is bad enough in adults and older children, and it can kill infants. Every adult in the house has gotten a Tdap during the last month and my other kids are up to date as well.

/still paranoid about taking her out much before her two-month shots
//we live five blocks away from a hippie school with some ridiculously low vaccination rate.


If only those morons could be sued for reckless endangerment or something. Honestly I think that's the only thing that would stop this wingnuttery.
 
2012-03-28 09:00:43 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: And their farktard parents (all of whom got the vaccine as kids because their parents weren't complete asshats) need to be reported for reckless endangerment of a child and the public at large.


This.

Your right to swing your fist forgo your kid's vaccination ends when it hits my face your kid coughs on my kid.
 
2012-03-28 09:09:49 PM  
The problem with instant access to information is it also gives morons instant access to the wrong information.
 
2012-03-28 09:14:43 PM  

hobbes0022: Lunaville: "The vaccine we get as children typically wears off as an adult," said Church.

The above is the real problem. I'm as pro-vaccine as you can get but two or three years ago I was all but coughing up my liver in my kids' pediatricians' office when he remarked "If I didn't know better, I'd think you had whooping cough." Later, my own doctor made a similar remark. I was very sick and coughed for an unreasonably long time. It just went on and on.

The next year the CDC issued an advisory stating that the whooping cough vaccine does not provide life long protection. I got the shot, but I still meet other adults who have no idea that they need to get a booster. Doctors forget to tell people.

I'm not a doctor, or have any medical knowledge at all, but i'm gonna go ahead and assume by the time your an adult you have a decent enough immune system to fight off whooping cough before it becomes a concern, or even becomes contagious. If not... Darwin wins.


It's far milder in adults who have been previously vaccinated. The problem is that they still spread it and its contagious as hell. Then the snowflakes whose parents decided the vaccine was bad, will catch it and its far far more serious in kids. So, yes, it doesn't tend to kill healthy adults, but it spreads like wildfire and does kill children. Children will die in this outbreak.

/forgive typos, thumb-typing on a moving train.
//I am not a doctor, but I am a clinical microbiolgist
///get your TDaP booster! Now! Do it for the children!
 
2012-03-28 09:16:26 PM  
God farking damnit I did not live to see the year 2000 just to have all the benefits of modern medicine, sanitation and healthcare hijacked by dumbass motherfarkers who want to live in 1327. If it's not dumbass wingnuts frothing about birth control and sex education it's goddamn moonbats freaking out about fluoride and vaccines.

Good Lord the human race is farking stupid. Sometimes I feel all charitable and love-my-neighbor but not today.
 
2012-03-28 09:20:25 PM  
Dr. Mark Sawyer, a professor of pediatrics at University of California at San Diego, said that vaccines are actually the best-studied medical intervention..."Those studies are going on all the time scanning for rare vaccine reactions," Sawyer told ABCNews.com in December. "By doing so, we now know that vaccines do not cause autism and they do not cause other serious problems."

Fark you Mr Dr man.Jenny McCarthy told me that vaccinations cause autism, brain damage, pimples and spoiled milk. She was in Playboy and on MTV, so why should I believe you? Huh Mr Dr man? Have you done any of those things? I didn't think so. Now excuse me while I let my kid run around unprotected and possibly infect other children.
 
2012-03-28 09:43:15 PM  

verbal_jizm: RenownedCurator: I've been hearing all about this as I live in Seattle and had a baby two weeks ago; whooping cough is bad enough in adults and older children, and it can kill infants. Every adult in the house has gotten a Tdap during the last month and my other kids are up to date as well.

/still paranoid about taking her out much before her two-month shots
//we live five blocks away from a hippie school with some ridiculously low vaccination rate.

If only those morons could be sued for reckless endangerment or something. Honestly I think that's the only thing that would stop this wingnuttery.


AFAIK Wa state has a personal and religious exemption against vaccines.
 
2012-03-28 09:44:26 PM  
when my younger daughter (now age 26) was three months old, she got her first set of shots. The pertussis shot gave her such a bad reaction that her doctor said, "don't ever give her another one." Didn't stop us from making sure that every single other vaccination was kept up to date exactly as scheduled.

Fortunately, both kids have great immune systems, and I'm sure that part of that is because they were allowed to play in the dirt and I didn't obsess over germs. I didn't realize that the pertussis vaccine wears off in time, and now I am wondering if she got one now, if there would be the same reaction. I will tell her to look into it.

/none of us ever had whooping cough, but I had adult croup for about three months, about twenty years ago. What a pain. All you can do is wait it out.
 
2012-03-28 09:45:23 PM  

Lunaville: The above is the real problem. I'm as pro-vaccine as you can get but two or three years ago I was all but coughing up my liver in my kids' pediatricians' office when he remarked "If I didn't know better, I'd think you had whooping cough." Later, my own doctor made a similar remark. I was very sick and coughed for an unreasonably long time. It just went on and on.


I got that same thing in college...it lasted for months.

I guess I should get my booster...too many idiots in WA state who don't believe in vaccination.
 
2012-03-28 09:45:36 PM  
I don't know which is sadder, that people refuse to vaccinate their kids because they think the vaccines cause autism or that people actually listen to Jenny McCarthy.
 
2012-03-28 09:47:26 PM  

AbbeySomeone: AFAIK Wa state has a personal and religious exemption against vaccines.


It does now...that might be changing.
 
2012-03-28 09:53:40 PM  

hobbes0022: Lunaville: "The vaccine we get as children typically wears off as an adult," said Church.

The above is the real problem. I'm as pro-vaccine as you can get but two or three years ago I was all but coughing up my liver in my kids' pediatricians' office when he remarked "If I didn't know better, I'd think you had whooping cough." Later, my own doctor made a similar remark. I was very sick and coughed for an unreasonably long time. It just went on and on.

The next year the CDC issued an advisory stating that the whooping cough vaccine does not provide life long protection. I got the shot, but I still meet other adults who have no idea that they need to get a booster. Doctors forget to tell people.

I'm not a doctor, or have any medical knowledge at all, but i'm gonna go ahead and assume by the time your an adult you have a decent enough immune system to fight off whooping cough before it becomes a concern, or even becomes contagious. If not... Darwin wins.


An adult may not actually need medication, but you are very much contagious and you do pose a threat to others with a less hearty immune system. Fortunately, my kids' are immunized. Hopefully, I didn't pass it to anyone who wasn't.
 
2012-03-28 09:56:10 PM  

DeaH: Yesterday on Facebook, one of my cousins posted a link to this article. (new window)

She included this statement with the link, "Just when you thought the toxins in vaccines were our only problem...You have got to be kidding me!! Let me be clear...Human fetus tissue/blood in the vaccines are kids get. "

One of her friends then posted this comment, "Is it any wonder our gene pools are turning into swamps?"

I had no idea that, in addition to the whole autism scare, there is also an anti-abortion stance and a genetic purity stance against vaccines.


Yeah, if it only affected the adults it would be tempting to declare that those people deserve to catch whooping cough. Unfortunately, the kids don't get to choose.
 
2012-03-28 09:57:21 PM  

AbbeySomeone: verbal_jizm: RenownedCurator: I've been hearing all about this as I live in Seattle and had a baby two weeks ago; whooping cough is bad enough in adults and older children, and it can kill infants. Every adult in the house has gotten a Tdap during the last month and my other kids are up to date as well.

/still paranoid about taking her out much before her two-month shots
//we live five blocks away from a hippie school with some ridiculously low vaccination rate.

If only those morons could be sued for reckless endangerment or something. Honestly I think that's the only thing that would stop this wingnuttery.

AFAIK Wa state has a personal and religious exemption against vaccines.


That's why I said "if only". Some day this state will pull its head out.
 
2012-03-28 10:02:54 PM  
FYI our 9 year old just got whooping cough. Yes we always vaccinate. My wife is a RN. The doctor said that it is going around even in vaccinated kids right now.
 
2012-03-28 10:10:38 PM  

UgaDog: FYI our 9 year old just got whooping cough. Yes we always vaccinate. My wife is a RN. The doctor said that it is going around even in vaccinated kids right now.


But vaccines, they work right?
My daughter got chicken pox after getting the required vaccines.

Lunaville: hobbes0022: Lunaville: "The vaccine we get as children typically wears off as an adult," said Church.

The above is the real problem. I'm as pro-vaccine as you can get but two or three years ago I was all but coughing up my liver in my kids' pediatricians' office when he remarked "If I didn't know better, I'd think you had whooping cough." Later, my own doctor made a similar remark. I was very sick and coughed for an unreasonably long time. It just went on and on.

The next year the CDC issued an advisory stating that the whooping cough vaccine does not provide life long protection. I got the shot, but I still meet other adults who have no idea that they need to get a booster. Doctors forget to tell people.

I'm not a doctor, or have any medical knowledge at all, but i'm gonna go ahead and assume by the time your an adult you have a decent enough immune system to fight off whooping cough before it becomes a concern, or even becomes contagious. If not... Darwin wins.

An adult may not actually need medication, but you are very much contagious and you do pose a threat to others with a less hearty immune system. Fortunately, my kids' are immunized. Hopefully, I didn't pass it to anyone who wasn't.


Anyone who wasn't or their immunizations weren't effective. You are more to blame than the non immunized for going into a pediatricians office and 'coughing your liver out'. Crist, some people.
 
2012-03-28 10:28:42 PM  

Lunaville: "The vaccine we get as children typically wears off as an adult," said Church.

The above is the real problem. I'm as pro-vaccine as you can get but two or three years ago I was all but coughing up my liver in my kids' pediatricians' office when he remarked "If I didn't know better, I'd think you had whooping cough." Later, my own doctor made a similar remark. I was very sick and coughed for an unreasonably long time. It just went on and on.

The next year the CDC issued an advisory stating that the whooping cough vaccine does not provide life long protection. I got the shot, but I still meet other adults who have no idea that they need to get a booster. Doctors forget to tell people.


Yep. That's a big problem.

Particularly if you've moved around and have no idea where your shot records are. I asked my doctor if I needed any boosters and got anything from "We haven't heard of anything new" to an honest "Not sure", since they don't have all of my shot records anyway.

I figured I'd look up the info myself (since I usually do that sort of thing anyway.) and get back to them when I went in for my flu shot. Things got busy and I didn't. Got the flu instead, although it was mild as flu's go (just fever and exhaustion, no throwing up.)

The gov't really needs to get cracking on which vaccinations adults need to get boosters on and start spreading the info.
 
2012-03-28 10:44:59 PM  
What's terribly ironic about the anti-vaccination crowd is that it often shows up in large metropolitan areas that are more likely to have immigrants and tourists from countries where kids don't always get vaccinated.

The concept of how contagious diseases spread is a fairly simple one; I'm surprised at how many people don't get it.
 
2012-03-28 10:45:12 PM  

hobbes0022: I'm not a doctor, or have any medical knowledge at all, but i'm gonna go ahead and assume by the time your an adult you have a decent enough immune system to fight off whooping cough before it becomes a concern, or even becomes contagious. If not... Darwin wins.


Plenty of adults have compromised immune systems for whatever reason. Now there's evidence that organs that have traditionally been considered safe to remove or otherwise useless (Tonsils, appendix, spleen) actually have important roles in the immune system and their absences can impact a person's ability to fight infection.
 
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2012-03-28 11:03:34 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Any kid that is diagnosed needs to be kicked out of school until medically cleared. Period.

And their farktard parents (all of whom got the vaccine as kids because their parents weren't complete asshats) need to be reported for reckless endangerment of a child and the public at large.


THIS!!!
 
2012-03-28 11:04:12 PM  

UgaDog: FYI our 9 year old just got whooping cough. Yes we always vaccinate. My wife is a RN. The doctor said that it is going around even in vaccinated kids right now.


Here's the problem: if a certain percentage are not vaccinated, no one is protected. (new window) This is the math showing what can happen when the immunity threshold is not reached. (new window)
 
2012-03-28 11:22:37 PM  
Seattle hospital employee. Got my Tdap a couple Fridays ago, took Tylenol and slept through the weekend. Most happy about the tetanus part because I am an utter klutz, always stumbling over things and scraping myself with sharp objects.

/work in a non-clinical part of the hospital, away from needles and scalpels
//congratulations on the new arrival, RenownedCurator
 
2012-03-28 11:39:23 PM  
i486.photobucket.com
"But there's NO AUTISM!"
 
2012-03-29 12:04:06 AM  

limboslam: [i486.photobucket.com image 283x401]
"But there's NO AUTISM!"


At least not in her kid.
 
2012-03-29 01:33:12 AM  

DeaH: Here's the problem: if a certain percentage are not vaccinated, no one is protected. (new window)


That's interesting. The chart shows that the herd immunity threshold for Pertussis is 92-94%, much higher than the other diseases. That might explain why so many people have it right now.
 
2012-03-29 02:04:05 AM  

DeaH: UgaDog: FYI our 9 year old just got whooping cough. Yes we always vaccinate. My wife is a RN. The doctor said that it is going around even in vaccinated kids right now.

Here's the problem: if a certain percentage are not vaccinated, no one is protected. (new window) This is the math showing what can happen when the immunity threshold is not reached. (new window)



Uh, no. It's not what you just wrote. In fact, it's like this: if a certain percentage ARE vaccinated, then EVERYONE is protected.

"If a vaccination programme causes the proportion of immune individuals in a population to exceed the critical threshold for a significant length of time, transmission of the infectious disease in that population will gradually come to a halt. This is known as elimination of the infection and is different from eradication."

In other words: disease is still in the environment, but it can't spread through the population effectively.

What the math you "quoted" shows is that if you can't reach the threshold, then the disease will spread, but still much slower than if no one were vaccinated.

The idea that if the threshold isn't reached, then everyone --including the immune!--are at risk, is ridiculous.
 
2012-03-29 02:43:34 AM  

DeaH: UgaDog: FYI our 9 year old just got whooping cough. Yes we always vaccinate. My wife is a RN. The doctor said that it is going around even in vaccinated kids right now.

Here's the problem: if a certain percentage are not vaccinated, no one is protected. (new window) This is the math showing what can happen when the immunity threshold is not reached. (new window)


Christian Bale: Uh, no. It's not what you just wrote. In fact, it's like this: if a certain percentage ARE vaccinated, then EVERYONE is protected.

"If a vaccination programme causes the proportion of immune individuals in a population to exceed the critical threshold for a significant length of time, transmission of the infectious disease in that population will gradually come to a halt. This is known as elimination of the infection and is different from eradication."

In other words: disease is still in the environment, but it can't spread through the population effectively.

What the math you "quoted" shows is that if you can't reach the threshold, then the disease will spread, but still much slower than if no one were vaccinated.

The idea that if the threshold isn't reached, then everyone --including the immune!--are at risk, is ridiculous.


All of this. Importantly, having been vaccinated as a child doesn't mean you're immune as an adult--or that you're truly immune at all. The immune response degrades over time, and exposure to a high enough number of virus particles can overwhelm even a prepared immune system.
 
2012-03-29 02:56:39 AM  
There are kids too young to be vaccinated, for whom the only possible protection is herd immunity.
 
2012-03-29 03:01:08 AM  

pciszek: There are kids too young to be vaccinated, for whom the only possible protection is herd immunity.


Well, that plus passive immunity from the mother (yet another reason to breastfeed--and for mom to be immunized). Still, some kids (including a lot of preemies, who are at increased risk to begin with) can't get breast milk.
 
2012-03-29 03:03:41 AM  

AbbeySomeone: But vaccines, they work right?


Yes, they're fantastically effective, particularly when assholes don't prevent their children from getting them (or don't get them themselves).
 
2012-03-29 04:23:55 AM  

Miss Stein: I am an utter klutz, always stumbling over things and scraping myself with sharp objects.


See, me too but I didn't even have my last tetanus booster (age 11?). I am constantly getting cuts and cat scratches, and really deep cat bites and I never get even a mild infection. I also never get colds or flus despite working in a badly-air conditioned office in close quarters with dozens of people with questionable hand-washing practices. Nary a blocked nose or scratchy throat. The last time I even had something lame like gastroenteritis was over 20 years ago.

It makes me worried I have a bizarre supercharged immune system that will kill me dead from a massive cytokine storm in the next pandemic flu.

/In the meantime I take joy in others' misery during 'flu season'
 
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