Maud Dib: JackieRabbit: Maud Dib: True fact.......Carroll Shelby, along with Frank X. Tolbert and Wick Fowler, began the World Chili Cookoff in Terlingua, Texas.

Mmmm...chili.

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"Chili" with ground beef : to real chili :: Mustang : Ferrari

WTF you talkin' about?
That's made with a chili grind. Set the grinder on the biggest setting.
You only do cut meat if you're cookin' in the big show on Saturday.
I'll bet you use beans, don'cha?

Beans? Not in chili rojo (which is all Texas red is, really). I use steak, cut into small pieces. I've never had an authentic Mexican restaurant serve me chili rojo with ground beef. Now, it does take longer to stew the beef chunks (which makes for a better chili) and during the week, I don't always have this time, So I will used ground beef for what I call a "quick chili". It's a modification of my regular recipe that will cook up on about 40 minutes. I finish it by blending in sour cream. We eat it over rice and it's delicious -- but alas, not the same.

The Irresponsible Captain: I don't know... can you guarantee me more attention driving that than this?

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/Was stopped and interrogated by two young, attractive mothers in a minivan while driving this.
//Best $800 I ever spent.

Where did you find a pacer ?

vernonFL: Sorry about your penis.

And we're done in one.

Znuh: mercator_psi: asciibaron: i bet it handles great in the corners.

Exactly. If they even attempt to steer it, it'll end up rolling and burning into a charred cinder about the size of the driver's micropeen.

I want a Caterham. Really badly. They look like the most fun you can have in a car without hookers and blow.

I finished building a Westfield three years ago. Here's a pic:

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Essentially, Westfield is Caterham's competition in the UK. Went with Westfield after the US dealer was an absolute rude jackass.

Built the whole car for under 15k, cornering is 1.2G, (Yes, not 1.02) and braking is 1.3G. 0 to 60 is under 5 seconds. It's a fun giant-killer, essentially a four wheeled motorcycle.

I'm not a car guy but that is an AWESOME car

OK, I liked to go fast and do stupid shiat when I was younger. I still appreciate a quick car. Especially now that my commuter has 90 hp... yeah yeah, the 50 mpg makes up for it.

That said, I was able to drive a Challenger SRT-8 for an entire weekend. OMFG was that car fast for a production vehicle. So damn fast in fact, that I have decided there is absoluetly no reason to have a car faster than that on the street.

I had it to 170, it got there in just over a mile. It was 4am and a deer ran out in front of my and in my drunken stupor I decided that even if I wanted a car that fast I wasn't smart enough to own it.

The moral of my story, I think anything over 500 hp is just plain silly.

That kind of horsepower is pointless unless you spend all day every day at the track. There's only so much fun to be had showing off around the city by racing to the next red light while a Geo Metro can keep up by doing the speed limit.

Plus I'm antisocial and would rather not invite other people to talk to me about my car.

JackieRabbit:



Beans? Not in chili rojo (which is all Texas red is, really). I use steak, cut into small pieces. I've never had an authentic Mexican restaurant serve me chili rojo with ground beef. Now, it does take longer to stew the beef chunks (which makes for a better chili) and during the week, I don't always have this time, So I will used ground beef for what I call a "quick chili". It's a modification of my regular recipe that will cook up on about 40 minutes. I finish it by blending in sour cream. We eat it over rice and it's delicious -- but alas, not the same.

Steak chili, or what we call "cut meat" chili, usually wins at Terlingua. "Grind" is for your every day weekend cookoff, but you better go with cut meat if you're looking to win.
Terlingua is awesome.
Mind the cactus, BTW.




\goddamn tequila.

Meh

BRAAAAAAAINS

r1niceboy: steamingpile: r1niceboy: Great news. Now if they'd could just learn to use suspension that wasn't taken from a shopping cart, we'd have a Ford that wasn't a complete deathtrap taking a bend at anything above 40mph.

None of you even have a clue what you are talking about, three changes and even 99 mustangs handle great, most road guys learned how to drive on the old fox body mustangs.

I drove the GT last week. It was a God damn disaster. Frankly most American sports cars are awful to drive in comparison to the British, Italian, and German efforts. The only American cars that handle well considering the power under the hood are the Caddie CTS and maybe the Vette Z06.

You know how I know you are full of shiat? You included british in there and they havent made a decent sports car in years, unless you are trying to count the mini as a sports car and did you purposefully ignore my link where the GT VS BMW 3 was essentially a dead heat? Oh wait it wasnt, since the BMW was a lot more than the GT I would say it won, so much for the germans, and sure italian is a lot better but you will pay a lot for that honor.

I am guessing you cant drive a car with real power or when under adverse conditions, knowing how to control a car in corners is a gift so dont feel bad about it......

opiumpoopy: Allen. The end.: Mustang?

Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow.

Well, I get the reference even if nobody else does...

Yes, we've all read Douglas Adams around here.

Anyone who buys a Mustang does it because they know nothing about cars.

There are much cheaper ways to look like a tool and much cheaper ways to get cars with too-big engines in it. There are much cheaper ways to get the absolute worst suspension in the world on a car. There are much cheaper ways to drive really fast then have to slow down to about 2 mph to go around a corner.

I hate getting stuck behind Mustangs in my GTI when I'm driving about. Are they faster on the straight? Of course, no question there, I'll never argue that. Then they get to a sharp turn and have to slow down to granny speed while I come flying up behind them because I don't effing want to slow down, because I don't have to.

Lots of cars can accelerate quickly, and many of those cars are cheaper than the Mustang. They're all better built too, and some of them can even turn at a somewhat quick pace.

0-60 in 6.8 is plenty fast enough to 60, because I don't ever go 60. What's fun is doing 40, and then you come up on a turn that says 15 mph, and then you just keep doing 40 while your car swoops around the corner at the limit of grip. That's exhilarating. Going 0-60 in another second or two faster? Okay...cool. Woo. Lots of cars can do that, and most of those cars can do other things too. Plus most of those other cars don't make you look like a tool.

I just don't understand Mustangs. At all.

/I'll give you the classic Mustangs though
//Only because they were mad machines
///Current Mustangs are just big engine in a crappy car with an even worse suspension

Maud Dib: JackieRabbit:



Beans? Not in chili rojo (which is all Texas red is, really). I use steak, cut into small pieces. I've never had an authentic Mexican restaurant serve me chili rojo with ground beef. Now, it does take longer to stew the beef chunks (which makes for a better chili) and during the week, I don't always have this time, So I will used ground beef for what I call a "quick chili". It's a modification of my regular recipe that will cook up on about 40 minutes. I finish it by blending in sour cream. We eat it over rice and it's delicious -- but alas, not the same.

Steak chili, or what we call "cut meat" chili, usually wins at Terlingua. "Grind" is for your every day weekend cookoff, but you better go with cut meat if you're looking to win.
Terlingua is awesome.
Mind the cactus, BTW.

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\goddamn tequila.

Terlingua? Named for the town where they have the big cook off? Never been to a Texas chili cook off. I've spent time in San Antonio, but never got around to going to one while there. The most interesting variation on chili rojo I've had was a Guadalajaran recipe that included cactus. It was most unusual; the cactus gave it quite a bit of tang. It was served in a bowl with both charro beans and rice.

AntonChigger: Well shiat, I have never seen so many pretentious Debbie Downers in a single thread. Sure, a 1,000 hp Mustang is totally ridiculous and probably pointless, but that's also what makes it so insanely fun. The fact that we can even engineer something like this is farkin amazing and totally kickass. Is it really that hard for you guys to just enjoy something? You don't even have to pay for it or get behind the wheel.

/I know, welcome to Fark, etc
//Seriously, get over yourselves

You act like the farkers in the thread were the first to say something, but it was the subby's fault for assuming that anyone other than a moron would want this. Instead everyone in here is thinking, wow, there are so many other things that would make me say, "OH HELL YES," instead of a crappy car with more HP than it needs.

Tom_Slick: r1niceboy: mercator_psi: asciibaron: i bet it handles great in the corners.

Exactly. If they even attempt to steer it, it'll end up rolling and burning into a charred cinder about the size of the driver's micropeen.

I want a Caterham. Really badly. They look like the most fun you can have in a car without hookers and blow.

Ariel Atom with the Honda V6. I loved the Caterham 7, but the Atom is a supreme experience.


I've been looking to build either a 7 or a Atom kit, (the only way to get one registered in my home state) any advice on the direction I should go I want a fun track day car I can drive to the track.

I've not ever heard of the Atom coming as a kit. The 7 is relatively easy to get. The one I drove was made by the company in the UK and I just got in and tore off in a frenzy. I'm more of a driver than a mechanic, but you can only get the kit in the US. The main trouble with registration is the bureaucratic hoops you have to jump through in certain places. I've been told the New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Washington, and California are nightmares, while most of the south simply ask that your vehicle be inspected and not be a pup. My recommendation is to buy the kit, hire someone to build it, and then get out there and enjoy your midlife crisis.

This is how I add power

The Irresponsible Captain: I don't know... can you guarantee me more attention driving that than this?



/Was stopped and interrogated by two young, attractive mothers in a minivan while driving this.
//Best $800 I ever spent.

Look that was because of the kidnapping, not the car

I don't want anything with 1000 hp unless it has armour plating and a turret.

Johnnyflash: One of the most annoying things when driving is being behind a newer Corvette coming up to an onramp. I like to corner a little fast and get up to speed in my 2001 I30, so I'm thinking this Corvette guy will do the same, which wouldn't be much for him but normal driving. But oh no, he drives it likes it a freaking Buick. I'm on his tail thinking what's wrong with this guy, so I pass and it's an old dud in his 60s or older. I've seen this so many times, once in a while it's an old dude in a newer Mustang GT, and again I almost run into the back of him. Seriously old people! I'd expect this if your in a Buick, but not a sports car, live on the edge a little and drive that 400hp+ beast at least like a 220hp Infiniti.

It is what they are driving, not the fact that they are old. Dad "replaced" the '65 Porsche 356 in '88 with a '84 911 w/ factory turbo look package, took it to Sebring for a DE event the next weekend, got clocked at 130 coming out of a corner... factory says top speed in the car is 138... he was 66 when he did this...

1000hp 'stang... yes please.
though, for the price, there are many other cars i'd have first... and most of them come from Stuttgart.

JackieRabbit: Maud Dib: JackieRabbit:
Terlingua? Named for the town where they have the big cook off? Never been to a Texas chili cook off. I've spent time in San Antonio, but never got around to going to one while there. The most interesting variation on chili rojo I've had was a Guadalajaran recipe that included cactus. It was most unusual; the cactus gave it quite a bit of tang. It was served in a bowl with both charro beans and rice.

Yup.
There are 2, both the first weekend in November (my birthday, usually..yay!)




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I go to the Behind the Store cookoff, it's more intimate drunky.

loonatic112358: opiumpoopy: Allen. The end.: Mustang?

Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow.

Well, I get the reference even if nobody else does...

it's only because that whole thing is a disaster area waiting to happen.

Wouldn't trade a bowl of petunias for it."

"Oh no, not again!"

CoonAce: johnMFer: Can I fit an Ampeg 8x10 in a Mustang? No. It's a useless vehicle to me, then. Maybe you could transplant the powertrain into a Transit Connect?

I did fit a Marshall 4x12 in the trunk of a Focus once, that was pretty impressive.

Once upon a time, I had a Geo Metro which carried my Marshall 4-12, Plexi head, 4-piece drum kit (with stands & cymbals), and 2 guitars. I still don't know how I ever did that on a regular basis.

Are you the man who arranges the blocks?

Benni K Rok: CoonAce: johnMFer: Can I fit an Ampeg 8x10 in a Mustang? No. It's a useless vehicle to me, then. Maybe you could transplant the powertrain into a Transit Connect?

I did fit a Marshall 4x12 in the trunk of a Focus once, that was pretty impressive.

Once upon a time, I had a Geo Metro which carried my Marshall 4-12, Plexi head, 4-piece drum kit (with stands & cymbals), and 2 guitars. I still don't know how I ever did that on a regular basis.

Are you the man who arranges the blocks?

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What's wrong with Mustang horses?? They are too smelly and too tall. Unlike Jesus..

1000hp
Also steers like a cow.

Maud Dib: JackieRabbit: Maud Dib: JackieRabbit:
Terlingua? Named for the town where they have the big cook off? Never been to a Texas chili cook off. I've spent time in San Antonio, but never got around to going to one while there. The most interesting variation on chili rojo I've had was a Guadalajaran recipe that included cactus. It was most unusual; the cactus gave it quite a bit of tang. It was served in a bowl with both charro beans and rice.

Yup.
There are 2, both the first weekend in November (my birthday, usually..yay!)

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I go to the Behind the Store cookoff, it's more intimate drunky.

Cool. There's a chili cook off around here, but I don't go. Around here, you're probably only going to see "Southern chili," which is ground beef, tomatoes, onion (and a lot of it), water, bell pepper, and kidney beans. Maybe, just maybe, if the cook is daring, there may be a dash of the standard "chile powder" thrown in, or maybe "chili starter" mix. Now, I've known some cooks who can get this right, but it just ain't chili. It's soup.

I'm sorry, but if you just want a fast street car, 1,000 HP is overkill. I have a 2011 Mustang GT with a Roush TVS supercharger, pulleyed and tuned to just under 700 crank HP (576 RWHP). Oh it's a heck of a lot of fun to drive...but it can get you into trouble on the streets. Even with 285 treadwidth tires (Continental DW summers), in warm weather, you can't use all that power in first, second, and sometimes even third gear. That means that you aren't using all the power until you are already in at least third gear, and already traveling fast enough to get a reckless driving charge in most places. For a fraction of what the monster in the article costs, you could have something similar to what I have. $40K can get you a Mustang, blower setup, wheels and tires, and you can run 10's at the drag strip. That's a damned good value if all you want is straight line performance at a bargain price.

Mole: You know, I really am worried about Toad.
Rat: Oh, don't you worry. It's just another one of his passions. He'll grow out of it.
Toad: [off in the distance] Poop-poop!
Rat: I hope.

r1niceboy: I've not ever heard of the Atom coming as a kit. The 7 is relatively easy to get. The one I drove was made by the company in the UK and I just got in and tore off in a frenzy. I'm more of a driver than a mechanic, but you can only get the kit in the US. The main trouble with registration is the bureaucratic hoops you have to jump through in certain places. I've been told the New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Washington, and California are nightmares, while most of the south simply ask that your vehicle be inspected and not be a pup. My recommendation is to buy the kit, hire someone to build it, and then get out there and enjoy your midlife crisis.

In Georgia is relatively simple to register a home built car, but registering something non-indigenous to the states is a real PITA, There are 2 Ariel Atom style kits available the Superlite Razor, and the MEV ExoCat. the Razor is a complete mid engine chassis you pick a FWD drivetrain for it, the ExoCat uses a Miata Donor. I will build it myself being fairly competent and having built a Chump car and is 37 the right age for a mid-life crisis?

RibbyK: FTA: starts at $149,995, the S/C will cost $154,995. Including the price of a base GT500, the completed Shelby 1000 should cost around $200,000.

Please tell me this is an eff-word typo. This is for a Ferrari, right?


I would have guessed the $80-100k range, that price is insane.

Doink_Boink: RibbyK: FTA: starts at $149,995, the S/C will cost $154,995. Including the price of a base GT500, the completed Shelby 1000 should cost around $200,000.

Please tell me this is an eff-word typo. This is for a Ferrari, right?


I would have guessed the $80-100k range, that price is insane.

That's an expensive corpse.

The 2 Shelby's that I would own if possible:

Tom_Slick: In Georgia is relatively simple to register a home built car, but registering something non-indigenous to the states is a real PITA, There are 2 Ariel Atom style kits available the Superlite Razor, and the MEV ExoCat. the Razor is a complete mid engine chassis you pick a FWD drivetrain for it, the ExoCat uses a Miata Donor. I will build it myself being fairly competent and having built a Chump car and is 37 the right age for a mid-life crisis?

I'm the dude that built the Green Westfield a bunch of posts back up in the thread. If it interests you, I say, go for it - build what's calling to you. The biggest things to do BEFORE you shell out any money is:

First ensure that the Component car is registratable. In England, ask them how they get theirs on the road. Why is this important?

You need to make sure that the British Company is sending their cars with a Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin. This ensures (to your State's DMV) that the Car was built (yes, even in component form) to you. IT's one serious important piece of paper, and without that, I would not have been able to register my Westfield here in the states.

Check with your DMV - and by that, I don't mean walk in there - look through their website and find someone who handles 'Registration of Handmade or Homebuilt Vehicles / Specialty Vehicles' - then speak to them directly. Ask what they need to register the car once it's built.

Keep EVERY receipt. In my case, the State assigned a State Police Detective to go through everything, call the Manufacturer and ran the VIN numbers on my Miata engine and transmission to make sure that everything was genuinely owned by me - and that nothing was stolen.

So - Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin
- Keep EVERY chunk of paper when you buy bits for the car
- Talk to your insurance company as well (my 7 clone is cheaper to insure than my Toyota)
- And take your TIME building her.

My state issued a brand new VIN. Your state might not even care - but don't let the possibility of something bad scare you off - you won't believe how great it is to drive after both the build and successfully navigating the DMV.

If you've got any other questions, I'm happy to answer - I've lived through it all, including bringing the car through Customs,

InfamousBLT: Anyone who buys a Mustang does it because they know nothing about cars.

There are much cheaper ways to look like a tool and much cheaper ways to get cars with too-big engines in it. There are much cheaper ways to get the absolute worst suspension in the world on a car. There are much cheaper ways to drive really fast then have to slow down to about 2 mph to go around a corner.

I hate getting stuck behind Mustangs in my GTI when I'm driving about. Are they faster on the straight? Of course, no question there, I'll never argue that. Then they get to a sharp turn and have to slow down to granny speed while I come flying up behind them because I don't effing want to slow down, because I don't have to.

Lots of cars can accelerate quickly, and many of those cars are cheaper than the Mustang. They're all better built too, and some of them can even turn at a somewhat quick pace.

0-60 in 6.8 is plenty fast enough to 60, because I don't ever go 60. What's fun is doing 40, and then you come up on a turn that says 15 mph, and then you just keep doing 40 while your car swoops around the corner at the limit of grip. That's exhilarating. Going 0-60 in another second or two faster? Okay...cool. Woo. Lots of cars can do that, and most of those cars can do other things too. Plus most of those other cars don't make you look like a tool.

I just don't understand Mustangs. At all.

/I'll give you the classic Mustangs though
//Only because they were mad machines
///Current Mustangs are just big engine in a crappy car with an even worse suspension

I'm sorry, but a 2011+ Mustang GT would absolutely manhandle your pathetic GTI on pretty much any paved track. The new 5.0 is basically a poor man's M3 as they both produce very similar results at the track. So I guess people who buy M3's are idiots too? You have to slow down when you get behind someone in one of those M3's because it can't handle the turn as fast as your amazing GTI can?

Please, stop making shiat up.

Miller: And I want a bigger office! And I want a new car! And I want the city to pay for it all!
Lt Hedgecock: What kind of car, Miller?
Miller: Something with reclining leather seats, that goes really fast, and gets really shiatty gas mileage! Alright.
Lt Hedgecock: How about a Shelby 1000?
Miller: Yeah! Okay, sure!

Znuh, I'm impressed with your handiwork there.

Sure would come alive with a turbo on it! The GT2560R kit I installed on my '91 Miata sure woke it up. Nothing like going from about 100 hp to over 225. :)

What engine management are you running. MS?

If I was gonna throw that kind of money at a Mustang, it would be one of these, if you could find one for sale:



/Super Snake

rand al'thor: Znuh, I'm impressed with your handiwork there.

Sure would come alive with a turbo on it! The GT2560R kit I installed on my '91 Miata sure woke it up. Nothing like going from about 100 hp to over 225. :)

What engine management are you running. MS?

Mr. Rand! I'm totally humbled - thank you! I'm running an SDS (Simple Digital Systems) ECU - the original ECU was far, far too mired in the Miata's main harness to ever separate out sanely - luckily for me, the SDS tho a bit cryptic, can handle boost - all I have to swap out is the Manifold Pressure Sensor and we're good to go.

HOLY CRAP - *over* 225?? I'm sub 5 sec zero to 60 with the stock 1.8 putting out 130 - is the GT2560R kit a turbo or blower?

Biggest problem I have is space under the hood...

InfamousBLT: I hate getting stuck behind Mustangs in my GTI when I'm driving about. Are they faster on the straight? Of course, no question there, I'll never argue that. Then they get to a sharp turn and have to slow down to granny speed while I come flying up behind them because I don't effing want to slow down, because I don't have to.

Maybe they just don't care to go through at full speed? The Mustang has absolutely no problem turning, and quite well. Randy Pobst did a side-by-side comparison of the 2011 Mustang GT and the BMW M3 at Willow Springs. The M3 won by .09 seconds. Just to be clear, that's nine-hundredths of a second, less than one tenth. So, I suppose you might consider that the M3 is only .09 seconds better than the worst suspension in the world on a car. You might also consider Randy to be a crappy driver. So be it, I suppose. But, unless you do, there's no reasonable standard by which the Mustang's road handling can be criticized so harshly. It's a remarkably sweet setup. Maybe all of those Mustangs out there ruining your day just don't feel any particular need to take corners at the limit of grip.

RRedline: I'm sorry, but a 2011+ Mustang GT would absolutely manhandle your pathetic GTI on pretty much any paved track. The new 5.0 is basically a poor man's M3 as they both produce very similar results at the track. So I guess people who buy M3's are idiots too? You have to slow down when you get behind someone in one of those M3's because it can't handle the turn as fast as your amazing GTI can?

You know, now any time I see a GTI behind me I'm going to have to slow way down in turns just on the tiny, tiny chance that it's InfamousBLT behind me. Apologies in advance to all the perfectly decent GTI drivers I'll certainly be pissing off.

a $200K 200+ MPH car with bad drag co-efficient and solid rear axle on a chassis design for day-to-day commute!!! LOLOL no thanks!!

Might as well strap a LS9 to a go-kart. Probably geta better experience!

This 200k Mustang, *or* a low mileage RS5, a heated garage to put it in, a weekend of hookers and blow, a round of professional driving lessons, still have enough money left over for tires, gasoline, and maintenance for the lifespan of the car - and be able to safely drive it to work every morning regardless of the weather.

Tough decision. Think you'd get more attention with the Mustang? I don't.