MoronLessOff: Julie Cochrane: Most men have much better calves and knees than they give themselves credit for.

...Because of this. I'm very self conscious.

Go for it. What you expend in knee and calf you will save in butt crack, for a net win.

You know, back when I was but a wee chibi, it seems like every TV show I watched (and I'd like to think that my childish viewing habits weren't too atypical) had at least one episode where kilts were involved and explained in surprising detail. If no characters were overtly Scottish in terms of the wider series, one would be found to have Scottish ancestry just for the kilt episode. These being kiddie shows, I doubt that even back then I could expound on kilts in any detail or at any length, but I knew enough to know what one was and why a man might wear it.

This leaves me wondering two things. One, was there some kind of kilt-awareness lobby back in the early 1980s? Two, how the heck does anyone who grew up in the US at that time, or had children who were growing up at about that time, not know what a kilt is?

(And three, why did they not explain the sgian dubh?)

Julie Cochrane: MoronLessOff: Julie Cochrane: Most men have much better calves and knees than they give themselves credit for.

...Because of this. I'm very self conscious.

Go for it. What you expend in knee and calf you will save in butt crack, for a net win.

I don't have the butt problem. I have a few nice belts and I make good use of them.

Maybe I'll go for it once I slim down a bit. I'll make it my reward for hitting my goal.

Mock26: h0tsauce: Mock26: [img.photobucket.com "kilt with pockets=skirt" 555x606]

I look at it like this, just because you can put pockets on something does not mean you should. Imagine a woman's formal evening gown with a few oversized cargo pockets on it. Would look pretty ridiculous, right? That is how I view the utilikilt.

I'm sorry, I'm no good at this. I mean, I tried, I really did. You posted an opinion contrary to mine on the internet, and I'm pretty sure that by this point I'm supposed to be wishing defilement and death on your mother or something. But whatever, you not liking Utilikilts doesn't affect how much I and my significant other like it. I do think your comparison is kind of apples to oranges though.
The Utilikilt isn't a formal garment with cargo pockets added on; it's a skirt designed for men who weren't interested in cross-dressing but did want to be comfortable. Which had been me ever since I was an exchange student to southeast Asia and discovered the sarong. The guy who created it called it a kilt just as shorthand for "not cross-dressing" (not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just that a Utilikilt is generally a really bad way to go about it). Then people came along and said things like "I'd buy one, but it needs pleats" and "I'd buy one, but it's supposed to wrap around you, not be pulled on and zipped up like pants." So he made changes to it for the sake of popular appeal.

So okay, a kilt with pockets is a skirt. And I'm a guy in a skirt that somehow manages to appeal to women anyway. Go figure.

Another way you could look at it, if you chose: Jeans would look silly with a tuxedo jacket too, but it doesn't make them somehow worse than tuxedo slacks. It just makes them more suited to informal situations.

/Also, your mother's a whore.

Julie Cochrane: Mock26: I look at it like this, just because you can put pockets on something does not mean you should. Imagine a woman's formal evening gown with a few oversized cargo pockets on it. Would look pretty ridiculous, right? That is how I view the utilikilt.

And see, I look at utilikilts entirely differently. They are a male work garment that emphatically cures plumber's crack. Most men have much better calves and knees than they give themselves credit for. Especially if they wear proper footwear. Utilikilts look best with boots.

Even if a guy is morbidly obese and his knees show it, this is more than offset by the anti-crack protection of the kilt. And unless he has a specific condition that deforms his calves, they generally look okay. He may not think so, but they do.

Skip the nasty sandals. Boots. Combat boots.

For men's work clothes, utilikilts are perfect. He can crouch and maneuver without worrying about his pants splitting their seam up the ass. And did I mention no plumber's crack?

Peek? Me? Nevar....

Sure, it gets rid of plumber's crack, but it creates a whole new problem to worry about. He has to maneuver like he is wearing, well, a skirt. When you sit down you have pull your pleats in under you so that your bare ass is not on whatever you are sitting on. Also when you sit you have to make sure that your knees are together. Crouching? You have to be very careful on how you crouch. Same with squatting. Well, not really. Better not to squat down at all.

In short, you can show a hell of a lot more than plumber's crack while wearing a kilt (or even a utiliskirt). Not only that, but I am pretty sure that most people (especially women) would rather see plumber's crack than plumber's junk.

h0tsauce: Mock26: h0tsauce: Mock26: [img.photobucket.com "kilt with pockets=skirt" 555x606]

I look at it like this, just because you can put pockets on something does not mean you should. Imagine a woman's formal evening gown with a few oversized cargo pockets on it. Would look pretty ridiculous, right? That is how I view the utilikilt.

I'm sorry, I'm no good at this. I mean, I tried, I really did. You posted an opinion contrary to mine on the internet, and I'm pretty sure that by this point I'm supposed to be wishing defilement and death on your mother or something. But whatever, you not liking Utilikilts doesn't affect how much I and my significant other like it. I do think your comparison is kind of apples to oranges though.
The Utilikilt isn't a formal garment with cargo pockets added on; it's a skirt designed for men who weren't interested in cross-dressing but did want to be comfortable. Which had been me ever since I was an exchange student to southeast Asia and discovered the sarong. The guy who created it called it a kilt just as shorthand for "not cross-dressing" (not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just that a Utilikilt is generally a really bad way to go about it). Then people came along and said things like "I'd buy one, but it needs pleats" and "I'd buy one, but it's supposed to wrap around you, not be pulled on and zipped up like pants." So he made changes to it for the sake of popular appeal.

So okay, a kilt with pockets is a skirt. And I'm a guy in a skirt that somehow manages to appeal to women anyway. Go figure.

Another way you could look at it, if you chose: Jeans would look silly with a tuxedo jacket too, but it doesn't make them somehow worse than tuxedo slacks. It just makes them more suited to informal situations.

/Also, your mother's a whore.

My example of the evening gown was not meant to imply that utilikilts were formal wear. I personally think that a kilt with cargo pockets looks ridiculous. That is the example I was making with the comment of cargo pockets on a formal gown. That is it. That it looks ridiculous.

As for the story about why the guy created them, well, it is a pretty stupid story. If someone wanted to wear a "skirt" (as you put it) and be comfortable without cross-dressing, well, that option was already available to them. It is called a kilt. They were even available on the internet before the utilikilt was ever invented. Not only that, but you can get a good quality kilt and a sporran for less than many of the utilitkilts cost. Sure, if you want one that is custom tailored and hand stitched you can expect to easily pay $400-500 (or more), but that is true of all garments.

Where them if you want, and if your significant other likes them then all the more power to the both of you. I still think you will look ridiculous in it.

And, on the off chance that you are interested, check out this seller on e-bay: http://stores.ebay.com/CARSE-OF-GOWRIE-Kilts-and-Kiltmaker?_rdc=1 Their casual 8-yard kilts are affordable and of good quality. At the very least, check out their kilt carriers. Great for when traveling.

/Yeah, my mom is a whore.

Hottest groom evar. He loved wearing a kilt so much, he went out and bought his own.

TheOmni: Mock26: Sure, it gets rid of plumber's crack, but it creates a whole new problem to worry about. He has to maneuver like he is wearing, well, a skirt. When you sit down you have pull your pleats in under you so that your bare ass is not on whatever you are sitting on. Also when you sit you have to make sure that your knees are together. Crouching? You have to be very careful on how you crouch. Same with squatting. Well, not really. Better not to squat down at all.In short, you can show a hell of a lot more than plumber's crack while wearing a kilt (or even a utiliskirt). Not only that, but I am pretty sure that most people (especially women) would rather see plumber's crack than plumber's junk.

Getting the pleats under you is not a terribly huge deal. It's not something you even think about after about a day. And I pretty much never have my knees together, because they don't need to be. A kilt has a lot of fabric to it so that when you are sitting with knees apart the apron (that's the front flat non-pleated part) will sag down blocking any hopeful thrill seekers. And as for crouching and squatting, I'm not really sure what the difference between the two is, but generally it's the same issue. Knees apart and let the front of the kilt go down. Or kneel instead. Or just don't squat. Kilts are not as difficult to operate as they seem.

No, they are not. But, you do have to take the chance of exposure into consideration.

Mock26: In short, you can show a hell of a lot more than plumber's crack while wearing a kilt (or even a utiliskirt). Not only that, but I am pretty sure that most people (especially women) would rather see plumber's crack than plumber's junk.

Wouldn't, in the vast majority of situations, other people not be in a position to view plumber junk? After all, if the plumber is crouching because he's working under a sink, then in order to see it wouldn't you have to be between the plumber and the sink?

JPINFV: Mock26: In short, you can show a hell of a lot more than plumber's crack while wearing a kilt (or even a utiliskirt). Not only that, but I am pretty sure that most people (especially women) would rather see plumber's crack than plumber's junk.

Wouldn't, in the vast majority of situations, other people not be in a position to view plumber junk? After all, if the plumber is crouching because he's working under a sink, then in order to see it wouldn't you have to be between the plumber and the sink?

Yeah, if you are talking about just a plumber. But what about those people who are not plumbers? There are a lot more situations than just kneeling down with your back to someone one.

Mock26: h0tsauce: Mock26: h0tsauce: Mock26: [img.photobucket.com "kilt with pockets=skirt" 555x606]
My example of the evening gown was not meant to imply that utilikilts were formal wear.

My bad. I thought you meant that kilts were formal wear.

check out their kilt carriers. Great for when traveling.

Thanks for the link, but when I travel, I just fold up the Utilikilt and cram it in a bag. Shake it out when I arrive and the wrinkles disappear. Yay modern fabrics!

Mock26: Also when you sit you have to make sure that your knees are together. Crouching? You have to be very careful on how you crouch. Same with squatting. Well, not really. Better not to squat down at all.

As it happens, the Utilikilt is designed with crouching and squatting with knees apart in mind. The narrow apron with pleats beneath drops down and keeps the boys covered. Seriously, Utilikilts are designed to be everyday wear, and are superior to traditional kilts for that purpose, down to the direction of the pleats. No dry cleaning, no ironing, no special bags, just wash and wear until the hottie tears it off you. Seriously, chicks dig these things. You have no idea.

h0tsauce: Mock26: h0tsauce: Mock26: h0tsauce: Mock26: [img.photobucket.com "kilt with pockets=skirt" 555x606]
My example of the evening gown was not meant to imply that utilikilts were formal wear.

My bad. I thought you meant that kilts were formal wear.

check out their kilt carriers. Great for when traveling.

Thanks for the link, but when I travel, I just fold up the Utilikilt and cram it in a bag. Shake it out when I arrive and the wrinkles disappear. Yay modern fabrics!

Mock26: Also when you sit you have to make sure that your knees are together. Crouching? You have to be very careful on how you crouch. Same with squatting. Well, not really. Better not to squat down at all.

As it happens, the Utilikilt is designed with crouching and squatting with knees apart in mind. The narrow apron with pleats beneath drops down and keeps the boys covered. Seriously, Utilikilts are designed to be everyday wear, and are superior to traditional kilts for that purpose, down to the direction of the pleats. No dry cleaning, no ironing, no special bags, just wash and wear until the hottie tears it off you. Seriously, chicks dig these things. You have no idea.

Actually, I do have an idea, because chicks also dig regular kilts!

Admittedly late to the party, but as an avid kilt wearer I approve of the student's plan

and really, this is just an excuse for me to post a pic of myself in one of my kilts

JT_Goalie: Admittedly late to the party, but as an avid kilt wearer I approve of the student's plan

and really, this is just an excuse for me to post a pic of myself in one of my kilts

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Someone has been eating their beans!

Maechyll: The difference between a kilt and a skirt? Very simple. If the guy weaing it looks like he would kick your ass for calling it a skirt--it's a KILT.

Thread over

:)


MoronLessOff: Also, for anyone interested:
www.utilikilts.com
www.sportkilt.com
www.scottishclansman.com
www.altkilt.com

A co-worker recently got his from altkilt and is very happy with it.

Spiffy! Thanks, I've been meaning to get one for my husband one of these days. Muahahahahaha. :3

/and maybe one for me, too
//regular women's skirts are a violation of human rights
///WHERE ARE MY F*CKING POCKETS?!

MoronLessOff: Someone has been eating their beans!

'twas a bit breezy that day...there are a couple from the beach which aren't for public consumption

yanks, it's fine to shoot a terrorist but actually standing up for your roots is frowned upon.

The kilt isn't even scottish, it's celtic from irish descent... that's right, scots are irish... the picts were wiped out. The settlers found somewhere with even MORE rain than ireland.

haggis isn't scottish either - greek (probably brought over and used by the romans due to the amount of sheep in the country)

tartan - english invention.

bagpipes - Egyptian actually mentioned in the old testament.

if anyone's curious.. yeah i'm a Scot, born in the capital of edinburgh, i'm just not ignorant.

wholeheartedly agree with a previous poster. seriously--gentlemen. . kilt or utilikilt, you really can't go wrong. and i cannot tell you the attention you will garner, no matter your physique. and i'd give someone a hug or some sort of treasure if you could just convince my husband to wear one for me. . stubborn silly man.

JT_Goalie: Admittedly late to the party, but as an avid kilt wearer I approve of the student's plan

and really, this is just an excuse for me to post a pic of myself in one of my kilts

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How you doin?

Mock26: Sure, it gets rid of plumber's crack, but it creates a whole new problem to worry about. He has to maneuver like he is wearing, well, a skirt. When you sit down you have pull your pleats in under you so that your bare ass is not on whatever you are sitting on. Also when you sit you have to make sure that your knees are together. Crouching? You have to be very careful on how you crouch. Same with squatting. Well, not really. Better not to squat down at all.

In short, you can show a hell of a lot more than plumber's crack while wearing a kilt (or even a utiliskirt). Not only that, but I am pretty sure that most people (especially women) would rather see plumber's crack than plumber's junk.

Dude, I know the downsides of maneuvering in a skirt. Really. Done it a few times.

For one, if he's all that worried about exposing his junk, he can wear underwear. Boxers, briefs, boxer-briefs. If you have a pair of black boxer-briefs on then you really don't have to worry about your maneuvering.

It's also just a matter of being familiar with wearing them. For a guy, the way kilts are cut, if you move around, squat, etc., with the normal distance between your knees, a fold of fabric will naturally drape between and cover you. When you sit, unless you have outgrown your kilt and it's too small, if you're used to wearing one you're not even going to have to think about making sure the fold of fabric goes under your ass.

It's like walking around wearing a sword. It's awkward as hell if you're not used to doing it. If you do it all the time, you never bump into anything.

For guys who are comfortable in utilikilts, adjusting so that they don't flash their junk to the whole damn world all the time just isn't that difficult.

Besides, you're talking about managing crotch coverage with a garment with a lot of pleat to it that falls just about all the way to your knees. Call me when you're fighting for crotch coverage with a slim skirt whose hem coasts about 2.5" below your butt cheek line and we'll talk. IOW--wah.

the real problem with wearing kilts. (not a bad problem to have if ya ask me)

SuddenlySamhain: The school board are obtuse fools and the ones who said they want to teach men to dress like men should be forced to back up their words with their knucks....If theyre man enough to try.
Im 1 quarter Irish of the O'higgins sept (or whatever its called) and though ive no interest in my heritage I did look to see if there was a tartan pattern associated with my family line. Unfortunately there isnt. I would have looked into obtaining a kilt with such a pattern.

There are tartans associated with many Irish counties, the Irish Diaspora, etc.: http://www.lindaclifford.com/TartanListIrish.html

Julie Cochrane: Call me when you're fighting for crotch coverage with a slim skirt whose hem coasts about 2.5" below your butt cheek line and we'll talk.

Uh....how you doin'?