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(SFGate)   Apparently FEMA made a study to see if Fallout could happen. "If you are thinking about (a city) being wiped off the face of the earth, that's not what happens"   (sfgate.com ) divider line
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2012-03-27 03:01:56 PM  
I don't know if it's still the case, but the Cincinnati, OH area was always a first strike target, mostly because of the presence of companies like GE and Milacron.

/and I submitted this with a better headline
 
2012-03-27 03:02:51 PM  
how is anything in that game a pain to get to once youve been there once? You have fast travel... its a click away.

Anyone been to dc lately? Went with the family last week. Theyre renovating the mall. Trenches dug everywhere. I was having supermutant ptsd for a bit.
 
2012-03-27 03:04:38 PM  

pute kisses like a man: you know the most annoying place to get to though? your house in the lucky 38.


yeah fark that
 
2012-03-27 03:07:59 PM  
NV is better than FO3. farkin subways. Even the quests in New Vegas are too much back and forth bullshiat. Give me some open space and a scoped hunting rifle, let me farkin explore. With ED-E and Boone at my side, I'm pretty much invulnerable to everything but deathclaws and heavy artillery.
 
2012-03-27 03:10:03 PM  

RobertBruce: Get any little plane and you have your airburst.....


Exactly. Cessna plus cesium FTW.
 
2012-03-27 03:10:12 PM  
My most common feeling in NV was that I REALLY wanted the dart gun from 3, as I ran like a frightened child from a deathclaw.
 
2012-03-27 03:10:15 PM  
Looks like another false flag operation is in the works.
 
2012-03-27 03:12:31 PM  
What a post apocalyptic FEMA representative might look like:
www.beauty-video-tutorial.com
/TryNotToDie
 
2012-03-27 03:14:01 PM  
I regularly drive through Evergreen mills, Old Olney, Arlington, and DC, and I am always on just the slightest lookout for super mutants and raiders.
 
2012-03-27 03:14:29 PM  
10 Kiloton is piddly-poo tiny when it comes to nuclear weapons. The sci-fi movies you refer to assume global thermonuclear war between superpowers, which can fling 100 Megaton bombs by the thousands.

10KT is a strange planning scenario in that it presumes a custom-made nuke (nobody makes little ones anymore) instead of a stolen warhead ("Sum of All Fears" - style). Since no terrorist organizations can make nukes, and state actors can do much bigger, then 10KT for a planning assumption is just wierd.
 
2012-03-27 03:16:33 PM  

Tatsuma: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Could not get into NV. I had a lot more fun playing FO3.

Really?!

I don't know if I can go back anymore. Between the hardcore mode and all the tweaks, NV just thoroughly trounced FO3 for me. The only aspect where I'd say that FO3 could possibly be better is music-wise, but that's a little nitpick.

The whole ambiance in NV was so great, and the factions and all that

I need a fix.


Tatsuma, you may be well known on Fark for other reasons, but I know you as the guy with great taste in video games. This is probably the 4th or 5th time I've seen you mirroring my opinions on these subjects.

/Although cazadors are worse than deathclaws in my opinion
 
2012-03-27 03:17:39 PM  
I have a fascination bordering on obsession with nuclear post-apocolyptic scenarios. It probably comes from being 8 and sneaking into the living room to watch "The Day After" and a few years later reading "Z for Zachariah"

/favorite game for my C64 was Wasteland.
 
2012-03-27 03:17:57 PM  
Tatsuma: Plus you can slaughter all those yuppie a-holes with the ghouls.

Must. Resist. Low. Hanging. Fruit.

Electric_Banana: Why is it a stupid thing to do? If you have already harvested all the crap and completed the quests from there, just get rid of it.

I like my nice room in Tenpenny Tower as opposed to the hovel in Megaton. Plus, I love hearing Three Dog lament about the fate of Megaton while laying the blame at my feet.


You...You're a complete monster. I bet you kick kittens in your spare time, don't you Adolf.
 
2012-03-27 03:19:08 PM  
All this Fallout talk and Im shocked nobody has brought up the Wasteland 2 Kickstarter project yet. Its already funded and has a lot of the original Dev's from Interplay attached to it.
 
2012-03-27 03:19:24 PM  

Tatsuma: Lando Lincoln: Tell that to the people of Megaton, you heartless bastards.

Why would you ever ever nuke Megaton?!


images.wikia.com

Reason enough.
 
2012-03-27 03:20:49 PM  

extroverted_suicide: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Could not get into NV. I had a lot more fun playing FO3.

I certainly enjoyed 3, but liked NV a lot better. Those stupid subways really diminished 3 a lot for me.


Having been to D.C. numerous times, I found myself relating to the material quite easily.
 
2012-03-27 03:22:53 PM  
I have no idea what y'all are talking about, but my dad worked top secret at the Pentagon on war game predictions like these back in the 60s. It has been becoming declassified in the last few years...there was even a Newsweek article a few years ago that referenced numbers he the others came up with.

/csb
 
2012-03-27 03:26:22 PM  

cefm: 10 Kiloton is piddly-poo tiny when it comes to nuclear weapons. The sci-fi movies you refer to assume global thermonuclear war between superpowers, which can fling 100 Megaton bombs by the thousands.

10KT is a strange planning scenario in that it presumes a custom-made nuke (nobody makes little ones anymore) instead of a stolen warhead ("Sum of All Fears" - style). Since no terrorist organizations can make nukes, and state actors can do much bigger, then 10KT for a planning assumption is just weird.


Wrong, 10-25 KT is your standard enriched uranium or plutonium sphere bomb built by a up and coming nuclear power like North Korea, Iran, Pakistan or India that doesn't have access to Tritium, heavy lift rockets or large bombers.

If AQ threw together a weapon and smuggled it into the US, it would be ~5-25 KT yield. "Suitcase nukes" are going to be even lower yield.

Takes a ton of research and design money and minds to break the 25 KT yield without Tritium, it took the US a lot of money and stockpiling a lot of really exotic isotopes.
 
2012-03-27 03:28:14 PM  

Tatsuma: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Could not get into NV. I had a lot more fun playing FO3.

Really?!

I don't know if I can go back anymore. Between the hardcore mode and all the tweaks, NV just thoroughly trounced FO3 for me. The only aspect where I'd say that FO3 could possibly be better is music-wise, but that's a little nitpick.

The whole ambiance in NV was so great, and the factions and all that

I need a fix.


NV was nowhere near as good as FO3. The hardcore mode was "nice", but hardly a solid game mechanic. The amount of food and water needed was never enough to be a significant game mechanic. I mean I'd use like 2% of my weight capacity, or why bother, there's food EVERYWHERE. The "special ammo" was a great game mechanic, but hardly redefines the game.

The map was just relatively... flat. There was a shortage of sites of unique character and story. Well, also a shortage of characters with character.

I wasn't as into the main storyline, either. I mean it's kinda weird that the whole point of the game was to massacre a camp of about two dozen soldiers and Legate Lanius, which, if you played your cards right, you could do a few hours into the game anyways if you could only get there. But just making the point of the game to just shoot the Big Bad Guy is old-and-busted story nowadays.

The setting was just a bit... off. The FO3 Lone Wanderer was more of a pioneer into places others dared not explore. In FNV the place was largely settled by NCR and Caesar's Legion, so it's not really a "new frontier" in the same sense.

Dead Money WAS great, though. That rocked. Honest Hearts was good. Kinda declined from there. By the time we got to Lonesome Road I had high expectations of Ulysses only to find a character with only one mode- brooding- relying on constant vocal fry in every single word, a slow monotone, and omission of all 1st person pronouns. And the "big secret" is that the Courier somehow triggered all the nuclear bombs when he carried an eyebot through, which is so farfetched and dumb there's no logical way he could be held responsible for nuking the place. I mean it was hardly indicative of a character flaw.

And this strange thing where there are ICBM warheads blocking the roads which have to be destroyed with a laser detonator because... well, they're blocking the road. This is not the usual threat of ICBMs.
 
2012-03-27 03:28:20 PM  
Now, to get back to the actual article, are we talking Fission or Hydrogen bombs here?
 
2012-03-27 03:30:21 PM  
cefm
Link (new window)
 
2012-03-27 03:30:57 PM  

clovis69: Takes a ton of research and design money and minds to break the 25 KT yield without Tritium, it took the US a lot of money and stockpiling a lot of really exotic isotopes.


Wasn't the first one warehouse sized and cryogenically cooled?
 
2012-03-27 03:33:09 PM  
And also, 1000x what Oznog said.
 
2012-03-27 03:37:26 PM  
DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE
 
2012-03-27 03:38:28 PM  

Znuh: Gotta go with 3 over NV.

FO3 also feels like how I imagined the world after the bombs fell. Rummaging around a burned and derelict city, and yes, going through subways. I also seriously preferred the BoS' changed role. There were also a lot of incredible little things - seeing how people ended their lives knowing they were just going to die, anyways. Toasters in bathtubs. A wrecked motorcycle, with a mangled skeleton several feet away.

FO3: Much better story, believable characters, great terrain, and fantastic music.


This this this!

The game mechanics were better in NV, but 3 knocked it out of the park on atmosphere. I noticed more subtle little touches (the suicides, the weird hobbies, the poignant little echoes of what once was). I've visited most of the real-world places in 3, so it was more relatable. Most importantly, it felt *ruined*. The world of New Vegas is a rough-living, dangerous frontier, but it's too lively and organized compared to 3. I play Fallout for ruin-porn atmosphere as much as anything else, and the abject, gloomy, where-did-humanity-go-wrong tone of 3 was perfect for that.
 
2012-03-27 03:40:01 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 640x480]
You have discovered
THE WHITE HOUSE

/hot


/radioactively
 
2012-03-27 03:42:02 PM  

JackieRabbit: This report again? My goodness but SFGate is slow. The report from the government is about a 10 KT device (a so-called suitcase bomb) being detonated. Now that would damage the city, but not destroy it. But I guarantee you that if one of Russia's (or our) strategic weapons were detonated 3000 ft. above the city, very little would be left of DC.



Also the Russians or Chinese wouldn't be lobbing a modest nuke that terrorists would be smuggling in like TFA was talking about... They'd be annihilating the area with multiple missiles and multiple warheads.

Which is more along the lines of what the Fallout series was set after... an actual nuclear war, not a terrorist attack.
 
2012-03-27 03:43:56 PM  

Valiente: RobertBruce: Get any little plane and you have your airburst.....

Exactly. Cessna plus cesium FTW.


so its like airborne chemistry.

cessium.
 
2012-03-27 03:44:17 PM  

Tentacle: Looks like another false flag operation is in the works.


But they didn't stop to consider what the effects will be on politics when the fish and everyone surrounding them has a third eye.
 
2012-03-27 03:44:42 PM  
Fallout >= Fallout 2 > Fallout: New Vegas. People may wonder why I wouldn't include Fallout 3. That's because it isn't a Fallout game, go play Wasteland on an emulator instead.
 
2012-03-27 03:46:56 PM  

Tatsuma: kroonermanblack: And I'm getting kind of fallout-ed out. It's just getting beyond reason that no society has reasonably rebuilt yet, and that there are Unplundered ruins left at all. Plus I miss the Isometric view system. There are a million shooters, and while the VATS mech adds depth, it's still really just a fancy shooter with levels. I miss a nice western non action RPG with depth, weapon variety, a scifi setting, etc.

Eh, mods for Fallout usually get better a couple of years after it was released, not right away

I haven't tried mods yet, because I have to get a new laptop. And either way, I will have to get Mass Effect 3 before I start a new FO3 NV run.


I'd hold off on ME3. The ending kind of ruined the series for me.

/fist-bump on the NV love
//has a friend who works at Obsidian
 
2012-03-27 03:48:24 PM  

zarberg: clovis69: Takes a ton of research and design money and minds to break the 25 KT yield without Tritium, it took the US a lot of money and stockpiling a lot of really exotic isotopes.

Wasn't the first one warehouse sized and cryogenically cooled?


Castle Bravo went to 15 MT... by accident. Was only designed to be 4-6 MT. The lithium-7 used in the design was believed to be functionally inert but they were wrong, under neutron bombardment it produces tritium, which greatly increased the fission in the uranium.

Its results could be viewed as catastrophic. The fallout forced emergency evacuation of inhabited atolls, their own staff were pinned down and some irradiated, and a Japanese fishing vessel ended up in a massively intense fallout area and they all got radiation sickness.
 
2012-03-27 03:48:28 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Fallout >= Fallout 2 > Fallout: New Vegas. People may wonder why I wouldn't include Fallout 3. That's because it isn't a Fallout game, go play Wasteland on an emulator instead.


Err, why do you include NV but not FO3?
 
2012-03-27 03:49:17 PM  
Gummint: "Hey, I know you're busy, but, um, just a heads-up -- if terrorists set off a 10-kiloton bomb, it won't totally destroy everything, Just FYI."
Me, shaking them: "WHY ARE YOU TELLING ME THIS?! WHAT DO YOU KNOW?"
 
2012-03-27 03:50:53 PM  
Light damage zone. Except you are blind, burned, dying from radiation sickness, your eardrums are bleeding and fallout is polluting the air, water and food... But if you find a lead lined fridge and go all Indy, you'll be A-OK.

/Not to mention the 600+ MPH winds with self cleaning oven+ temps with flying debris coming for you.

//Light damage, yagottabefarkinkiddinme.
 
2012-03-27 03:52:55 PM  

BurnShrike: Dr. Mojo PhD: Fallout >= Fallout 2 > Fallout: New Vegas. People may wonder why I wouldn't include Fallout 3. That's because it isn't a Fallout game, go play Wasteland on an emulator instead.

Err, why do you include NV but not FO3?


Because it's a Fallout game? It follows the setting and lore as established by the Fallout Bible(s), which FO3 does not. It's also not terrible.
 
2012-03-27 03:55:47 PM  
Just got into Fallout: New Vegas this month. Much better than Fallout 3 in terms of story, atmosphere and gameplay, but while it doesn't crash as much as FO3, it sure as hell has some bugs that turn me off. Occasionally NCR troops appear hostile, even though I'm near idolized with their faction. Can't approach the drunk chick you can have in your party either at the NCR bar, either. I kinda wanted to see Laughlin mocked in the game though.

Fallout Tactics was great. It just ticked off the loudmouth Fallout 1 & 2 purists at the time, the same folks who got into a pissy fit when they learned Fallout 3 would be FPS instead of isometric. My only problem was it forces your group to all specialize in time for the first Super Mutant mission (at least three skilled heavy weapon users) and against the robots (everyone needs to be crackshot with energy weapons, unless you got a superstrong soldier who can wield the Browning M2, and one or two squadmates to carry reloads for him). That was my biggest gripe coming from playing Fallout Tactics to Fallout 3 -- I can kill a Super Mutant with one hunting rifle shot to the head now? Too easy.

Would love a sequel to Fallout Tactics -- but from the Enclave's perspective, not the Brotherhood of Steel. Had an evil grin when I stormed the Brotherhood bunker with ED-E and Arcade in New Vegas, and I'm now trying to get the Enclave Remnants help for an "independent" Vegas.
 
2012-03-27 03:56:18 PM  

BronyMedic: Tatsuma: Plus you can slaughter all those yuppie a-holes with the ghouls.

Must. Resist. Low. Hanging. Fruit.

Electric_Banana: Why is it a stupid thing to do? If you have already harvested all the crap and completed the quests from there, just get rid of it.

I like my nice room in Tenpenny Tower as opposed to the hovel in Megaton. Plus, I love hearing Three Dog lament about the fate of Megaton while laying the blame at my feet.

You...You're a complete monster. I bet you kick kittens in your spare time, don't you Adolf.



Then you'll love that I killed everyone in Tenpenny myself, the ghouls moved in and then I killed all of them too.
 
2012-03-27 03:57:53 PM  

Znuh: Now, to get back to the actual article, are we talking Fission or Hydrogen bombs here?


fission

zarberg: clovis69: Takes a ton of research and design money and minds to break the 25 KT yield without Tritium, it took the US a lot of money and stockpiling a lot of really exotic isotopes.

Wasn't the first one warehouse sized and cryogenically cooled?


The first US tritium boosted shot was Greenhouse: Item, about 45kT and was about the size of a large van. The first true 2-stage hydrogen bomb, Ivy: Mike was warehouse sized. Don't know about it being cryogenically cooled but it would make sense as they were using a bottled liquid tritium-deuterium mixture for the secondary.
 
2012-03-27 03:58:47 PM  

mongbiohazard: BronyMedic: Tatsuma: Plus you can slaughter all those yuppie a-holes with the ghouls.

Must. Resist. Low. Hanging. Fruit.

Electric_Banana: Why is it a stupid thing to do? If you have already harvested all the crap and completed the quests from there, just get rid of it.

I like my nice room in Tenpenny Tower as opposed to the hovel in Megaton. Plus, I love hearing Three Dog lament about the fate of Megaton while laying the blame at my feet.

You...You're a complete monster. I bet you kick kittens in your spare time, don't you Adolf.


Then you'll love that I killed everyone in Tenpenny myself, the ghouls moved in and then I killed all of them too.


Well, at least you're consistent.
 
2012-03-27 04:00:49 PM  

BronyMedic: Tatsuma: Plus you can slaughter all those yuppie a-holes with the ghouls.

Must. Resist. Low. Hanging. Fruit.

Electric_Banana: Why is it a stupid thing to do? If you have already harvested all the crap and completed the quests from there, just get rid of it.

I like my nice room in Tenpenny Tower as opposed to the hovel in Megaton. Plus, I love hearing Three Dog lament about the fate of Megaton while laying the blame at my feet.

You...You're a complete monster. I bet you kick kittens in your spare time, don't you Adolf.


I did almost every Good Karma quest I could and literally every Megaton quest available (I always sidetrack early, beat the main Oblivion storyline as a full Knight of the Nine and maxed for months) except for disarming the nuke, then went to Tenpenny and turned the swtich. Of course I had to lie to Liam Neeson about it though, made me feel bad for that, but I redeemed myself by sending the supermutant Fawkes into the chamber instead... it made sense to me, he's radiation-proof and I wasn't. The game ending gave me grief over that sound tactical decision too. }:-\ I only have to assume the BoS killed him when they found me since he wasn't there for Broken Steel (or he wasn't as radiation-proof as we all thought).

Of course, I killed Tenpenny for Mr. Crowley later (for positive Karma too, and without Burke seeing me), then followed Crowley and killed him in the wasteland and took the T-51b power armor for myself. I had talked all the other people out of their keys without killing them, and the Ghouls in Underworld assumed Crowley died in the wasteland at "bad guy" hands (I guess he died at morally ambiguous hands), so I didn't lose access anywhere and had net positive Karma still after it all.

The best was hearing Three Dog yowl about how swell a guy I was except for his direct insults whenever he got to the Megaton subject. What's the point of a video game if you can't have fun with it though, yeah?

/this FEMA report had a very nice, cherry-picked scenario they chose to cover... a blast less than Hiroshima
//what happens when a 20 MT former-Soviet R-36M2 Voivode warhead goes off in the back of a U-Haul a block from Pennsylvania Ave & 14th st?
//whar is calming reassurance now FEMA, whar?
 
2012-03-27 04:04:29 PM  
 
2012-03-27 04:04:57 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Lando Lincoln: "If you are thinking about (a city) being wiped off the face of the earth, that's not what happens"

Tell that to the people of Megaton, you heartless bastards.

War. War never changes.

.

*ahem*
greenpipe.files.wordpress.com
"War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID tagged soldiers carry ID tagged weapons, use ID tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored, and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control. All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield, controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control, war... becomes routine."
 
2012-03-27 04:05:42 PM  

pag1107: Znuh: Now, to get back to the actual article, are we talking Fission or Hydrogen bombs here?

fission

zarberg: clovis69: Takes a ton of research and design money and minds to break the 25 KT yield without Tritium, it took the US a lot of money and stockpiling a lot of really exotic isotopes.

Wasn't the first one warehouse sized and cryogenically cooled?

The first US tritium boosted shot was Greenhouse: Item, about 45kT and was about the size of a large van. The first true 2-stage hydrogen bomb, Ivy: Mike was warehouse sized. Don't know about it being cryogenically cooled but it would make sense as they were using a bottled liquid tritium-deuterium mixture for the secondary.


Hrm. I was going to say that most, if not all of the warheads that are in storage today are hydrogen based (yes?), and with that little fact, it really doesn't matter where you are. If you're within range of a major city and a series of fusion-based warheads rain down, it's over.

/Do we actually have Neutron bombs?
 
2012-03-27 04:06:21 PM  

Inchoate: Znuh: Gotta go with 3 over NV.

FO3 also feels like how I imagined the world after the bombs fell. Rummaging around a burned and derelict city, and yes, going through subways. I also seriously preferred the BoS' changed role. There were also a lot of incredible little things - seeing how people ended their lives knowing they were just going to die, anyways. Toasters in bathtubs. A wrecked motorcycle, with a mangled skeleton several feet away.

FO3: Much better story, believable characters, great terrain, and fantastic music.

This this this!

The game mechanics were better in NV, but 3 knocked it out of the park on atmosphere. I noticed more subtle little touches (the suicides, the weird hobbies, the poignant little echoes of what once was). I've visited most of the real-world places in 3, so it was more relatable. Most importantly, it felt *ruined*. The world of New Vegas is a rough-living, dangerous frontier, but it's too lively and organized compared to 3. I play Fallout for ruin-porn atmosphere as much as anything else, and the abject, gloomy, where-did-humanity-go-wrong tone of 3 was perfect for that.


Yeah there wasn't so much gloom and the sense of lonely self... and a lot of it made lesser sense. Like The Kings, they just don't "fit" in their place. Caesar's Legion guys use armor bits not consistent with the environment, but it's just hard to see why the Roman thing "works" for them. The whole idea was supposed to be that they were descended from Caesar's Palace casino, but that got cut from the game entirely. FNV suffered a lot because Ulysses was supposed to be a principle essential character (like your father in FO3) but got cut from the core game, and he'd been essential to the storyline. No idea WHY they did this. So the storyline was kinda broken up an recut. In fact, given that the game was totally buggy and on the whole totally nonfunctional on the release date, like 2/3 of the map area is blank, and a number of locations don't have any story function, I believe the whole thing was running far behind schedule and they basically had to throw together whatever was ready to make their release date.

Now FO3's aesthetics were art deco/"googie" (look it up) combined with ruination of Washington's Neoclassical aesthetics, and 50-60's propaganda culture. FNV reused much of FO3's concept art, but where it created new material, it went in a less remarkable direction, and there was less volume of new material overall.

Both use significant amount of Pulp Art... look up http://www.planet-pulp.com/ (new window). If you browse through it, you'll find stuff quite similar to the posters, books, mags, and food of FO3/FNV.
 
2012-03-27 04:09:46 PM  

Asplenium: Tatsuma, you may be well known on Fark for other reasons, but I know you as the guy with great taste in video games. This is probably the 4th or 5th time I've seen you mirroring my opinions on these subjects.

/Although cazadors are worse than deathclaws in my opinion


Cheers!

Also, I will agree with you. It's just that deathclaws scare me and my whole party. Cazadors on the other hand, don't scare me as much as annoy me and make me scream and wish for a shoulder-launched nuclear bomb.

Oznog: NV was nowhere near as good as FO3. The hardcore mode was "nice", but hardly a solid game mechanic. The amount of food and water needed was never enough to be a significant game mechanic. I mean I'd use like 2% of my weight capacity, or why bother, there's food EVERYWHERE. The "special ammo" was a great game mechanic, but hardly redefines the game.

The map was just relatively... flat. There was a shortage of sites of unique character and story. Well, also a shortage of characters with character.


I would disagree completely on the second point, and mostly on the first point.

I would agree that there is generally sufficient food, but I liked that you had to plan for it. The iron sight, the different types of ammo, the fact that ammo weighs something, and so on all made it more realistic and incredible.

As for the map being flat and lacking sites of unique characters, I will have to say that you're crazier than a brahmin in heat.

Oznog: I wasn't as into the main storyline, either. I mean it's kinda weird that the whole point of the game was to massacre a camp of about two dozen soldiers and Legate Lanius, which, if you played your cards right, you could do a few hours into the game anyways if you could only get there. But just making the point of the game to just shoot the Big Bad Guy is old-and-busted story nowadays.


My second game, I made it to at least 150-200 before I made it to the dam. Not the last mission, just entering the actual dam. The map is huge. it takes hours to properly investigate.

As I said earlier, in FO3 you were the story, while in NV you were just one cog in the machine. You were the courier, and that's it.
 
2012-03-27 04:16:13 PM  

Tatsuma: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Could not get into NV. I had a lot more fun playing FO3.

Really?!

I don't know if I can go back anymore. Between the hardcore mode and all the tweaks, NV just thoroughly trounced FO3 for me. The only aspect where I'd say that FO3 could possibly be better is music-wise, but that's a little nitpick.

The whole ambiance in NV was so great, and the factions and all that

I need a fix.


I just started playing through NV again, but this time with hardcore mode and with mods (and some purchased DLC). Forgot how fun this game is!
 
2012-03-27 04:16:38 PM  

Inchoate: Most importantly, it felt *ruined*. The world of New Vegas is a rough-living, dangerous frontier, but it's too lively and organized compared to 3.


FO3 and FNV take place roughly two centuries after the Great War (2077). FNV had NCR -- a fledgling Republic in FO1 (2161) and a full-fledged post-apocalyptic power in FO2 (2241), having annexed territory in California, Nevada, Colorado, and Mexico -- setting up hard frontier territory in 2281. The fact that FO3 felt "ruined" at all after that long shows how little care and consideration Bethesda put into the game.
 
2012-03-27 04:17:30 PM  
Znuh: /Do we actually have Neutron bombs?

Officially, no.

Neutron bombs were initially designed to slaughter civilians but leave infrastructure (Relatively) intact. Then they were going to be used in precision strikes against soviet armor columns because they could kill the tankers inside. Then, around 1970, tank armor got to the point where even that was questionable. So they're back to being simply weapons used to slaughter people.
 
2012-03-27 04:18:12 PM  
I played Skyrim for about 5 hours almost died of boredom, uninstalled it and did a quick replay of Fallout NV
 
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