Blues_X: "Who is paying you, Mr. Lawyer?"

Not really relevant.

"Does George Zimmerman have a job?"

Not relevant.

"Did you represent him when he was arrested for assault on a police officer in 2005?"

Previous charge is relevant, maybe (depends on the circumstances).

"Your client was not injured enough to go to the hospital that night. You say he sought some sort of medical treatment the next day. Do you have those medical records that you can show us?"

Relevant.

you know what else wasn't relevant? the police leaking the info about Trayvon and the reason he was suspended from school. but they did it anyway. I guess his drug test came up clean and that was all they had to smear him with.

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my point is that the media completely loses their shiat over cases like this. I was not there. You were not there. we dont know everything yet. SO everyone get off their farking high horse and just chillax for a little bit.

So you're saying that Martin is only faking being dead in order to get attention? Interesting tactic, let's see how it works for him...

You can't claim self defense just because you are losing the fight you started.

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my point is that the media completely loses their shiat over cases like this. I was not there. You were not there. we dont know everything yet. SO everyone get off their farking high horse and just chillax for a little bit.

The only reason the nation is paying any attention to this case is because people opted to take the road less chillaxed and decry injustice. Chillaxation can be another word for apathy.

unchellmatt: I love the people now defending the shooting by saying that it was "justified" and how bad this kid was.

Listen, it doesn't matter if the kid had, at any point, done ANYTHING. He was not breaking any law, and he wasn't doing anything other than walking down the street.

Now, I've been wearing hoodies for over 20+ years at this point. I used to smoke a lot of weed, too. That wouldn't excuse someone assaulting me and shooting me. If someone charges you, accosts you, assaults you, and you defend yourself then YOU get shot, and the person who accosted you and assaulted you doesn't face ANY charges? There's something wrong with that picture.

That's my issue with this. This kid threw Zimmerman a beating, and you know what? Sounds like the coont had it coming. But is SHOOTING the kid justified?

No.

It really says a lot about a culture when such behavior as "taking a walk" has become suspicious activity.

/Not that new, my brother used to get hassled by cops about walking to the grocery store after work ten+ years ago.
//Not to mention the young respectable citizens who used to throw trash at him from cars on the assumption that anyone voluntarily walking was homeless or otherwise sub-human.

mtb9000: Am I missing something?

The part where Zimmerman admitted to following the kid down the street with a gun before shooting him?

Even if you buy the claim that Martin turned on Zimmerman and then Zimmerman shot while being attacked by Martin, I don't see how his earlier admission of following Martin doesn't at least warrant a charge and trial. Even if Martin did turn on Zimmerman, it seems to me that just means Martin was exercising his rights under "Stand Your Ground" by not fleeing someone who has admitted on tape to being an aggressor.

I really don't see any way that a trial isn't warranted based on the facts that have been made public. Maybe there's something someone somewhere knows that has been kept secret so far, but you'd think if that were the case and it were reasonably convincing the cops would have scrambled to make it public to try and shut down or at least calm the furor over the shooting.

Part of me feels sorry for the guy. Odious as Zimmerman's actions were, he does have the right to an attorney, which means someone has to get called to defend the indefensible.

Only part of me feels sorry for him, though. I've seen too many of them figure out ways to worm around the law (or at least convince the juries that they've done so) just enough to let some of the most clearly guilty defendants in recent memory walk free. I have a disturbing hunch that this guy will manage to do it too.

Someone shoot Geraldo in his farking face. He obviously has it coming, and you'll get off in more ways than one doing it.

Cataholic: So, by getting out of a car with a gun (and without regard to any other circumstance), one automatically forfeits any claim of justification or self defense from then on?

no. but if you have a gun and the other person is unarmed and you pursue them after being told by the cops not to and confront them resulting in a fight and you think a punch in the nose warrants killing them then you might have a problem.

Cataholic: So, by getting out of a car with a gun (and without regard to any other circumstance), one automatically forfeits any claim of justification or self defense from then on?

When you start an altercation you can't exactly shoot people in self defense.

sammyk: jjorsett: sammyk: I don't give a shiat if the kid was walking down the street with a pound of smack tucked under his hoody. Zimmerman is not law enforcement! As he is not law enforcement he had no authority to do anything to Trayvon besides calling the cops on him. Neighborhood watch does not give you the right so much as lay a pinky finger on another human being. End of of farking discussion.

How about we base our conclusions on evidence, instead of raw emotion? The FBI is now involved and we should let them uncover what actually happened before we hang George Zimmerman or anyone else. I know we haven't got all the facts by a long shot.

The entire issue is he hasn't even been arrested or charged. The outrage is that he is not facing a fair trial.

But the evidence we have is pretty clear. Zimmerman got out of his car with his gun with the intention of confronting Martin. When he got back to his car Martin had been shot dead with Zimmermans' gun. Now when Zimmerman got out of his car with his gun against the advice of 911 he gave up any claims to self defense. If you cannot understand that you are being intentionally obtuse. The man needs to be on trial. It's nice the FBI stepped in and all but this should be a local law enforcement issue and they have failed miserably.

I am not the wannabe vigilante. Zimmerman is

So, by getting out of a car with a gun (and without regard to any other circumstance), one automatically forfeits any claim of justification or self defense from then on?

This case is just a blatant reminder of why I'm never putting my fate in the hands of a jury. There are nuanced and complicated aspects of criminal law involved here. In fact, it almost reads like part of a bar exam question. Half the public cannot get past their raw emotion long enough to think straight, the other half thinks they know enough law from what they learned on Law and Order to pass judgment on a very limited set of facts.

DoctorRock: AdmirableSnackbar: So you're saying that Martin is only faking being dead in order to get attention? Interesting tactic, let's see how it works for him...

im saying i dont know what the hell happened. neither do you. neither does anyone else. Im saying that the media always farks up any race related story. Ever give a cat a shiatton of fresh catnip? the media reacts the same way to race stories. They lose their tiny little minds. Ive seen enough of this garbage from them to hold judgement for a while. They know how to get you to keep watching. My emotions are assholes and i dont trust em.......need more info. goddamnit....i have a point but percocet is preventing me from making it.

You don't seem to realize that the outrage isn't about the killing of Trayvon Martin but the lack of an investigation by the Sanford police. Everyone (well, those of us who are neither racist or sociopathic) sees his death as a tragedy, but without the outrage that spread to the media there wouldn't have been a second look at the investigation. The Feds certainly wouldn't be involved, which is really what is driving the case at this point because the Sanford PD has to cover its ass.

DoctorRock: AdmirableSnackbar: So you're saying that Martin is only faking being dead in order to get attention? Interesting tactic, let's see how it works for him...

im saying i dont know what the hell happened. neither do you. neither does anyone else. Im saying that the media always farks up any race related story. Ever give a cat a shiatton of fresh catnip? the media reacts the same way to race stories. They lose their tiny little minds. Ive seen enough of this garbage from them to hold judgement for a while. They know how to get you to keep watching. My emotions are assholes and i dont trust em.......need more info. goddamnit....i have a point but percocet is preventing me from making it.

I know what happened. The guy with the gun shot the guy without the gun. After he was stalking him. After the police told him not to.

But to be fair, he was wearing a hoodie.

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"TRAYVON HAS INDICTED HIMSELF WITH HIS TWEETS. CASE CLOSED: THIS WAS MOST LIKELY A VIOLENT, RACIST, MISOGYNISTIC MALE (not a "child" as the Institutional Left Media wants you to believe)"

I don't get what he was "INDICTED" with... He was shot and killed. I wasn't aware he was on trial for being a street talking black kid.

The whole thing is just god damn disturbing. Someone got killed, and the police just took the killer's words for it, filed the unarmed corpse under John Doe, and patted themselves for job well done? That's farked up no matter how you look at it.

actualhuman: It really says a lot about a culture when such behavior as "taking a walk" has become suspicious activity.

Real Americans drive their enormous SUVs with American flag, crying eagle, and "Support our Troops" stickers.

well during my lunch drive I was listening to Rush, he seems very concerned that there are "Obama 2012" Hoodies for sale, because according to Rush, the reason they are called "Hoodies" is because hoodlums wear them.

This is what conservative actually believe.

FormlessOne: jjorsett: adiabat: maybe he thought he was going to be interviewed by a real journalist, and then found out it was O'Donnell.

What, there's something unjournalistic about screaming "LIAR! LIAR!" at your guests?

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Truth is always a shield against slander or libel. Since they were, in fact, lying, exclaiming that fact is, well, journalism.

Came here to say this but you beat me. That guy is of course a gutless, honourless liar and he knows it. Shouting liar at him when he continues to shamelessly and deliberately lie to everyone even when presented with the facts is a public service.

Also, Craig is a gutless and spineless chickenshiat who decided to run when he figured out O'Donnell was going to give him real questions and not the usual softballs he's been thrown. If you see this guy around be sure to make chicken noises at him and make sure that he knows that we all mark him for the vile coward that he is.

Millennium: Part of me feels sorry for the guy. Odious as Zimmerman's actions were, he does have the right to an attorney, which means someone has to get called to defend the indefensible.

Well, no one said he had to book interviews on tv. He could defend the guy without a media blitz.

OMG! Two people wearing hoodies! They should be shot, as they have no skittles.

I love the people now defending the shooting by saying that it was "justified" and how bad this kid was.

Listen, it doesn't matter if the kid had, at any point, done ANYTHING. He was not breaking any law, and he wasn't doing anything other than walking down the street.

Now, I've been wearing hoodies for over 20+ years at this point. I used to smoke a lot of weed, too. That wouldn't excuse someone assaulting me and shooting me. If someone charges you, accosts you, assaults you, and you defend yourself then YOU get shot, and the person who accosted you and assaulted you doesn't face ANY charges? There's something wrong with that picture.

That's my issue with this. This kid threw Zimmerman a beating, and you know what? Sounds like the coont had it coming. But is SHOOTING the kid justified?

No.