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2012-03-27 11:39:49 PM  
Since somebody tried to submit it and since it wasn't greened, I'll post it here.

Spike Lee tweeted incorrect George Zimmerman address, possibly putting Sanford woman in danger (new window)

Stay classy you racist piece of shiat.
 
2012-03-27 11:40:24 PM  

Fista-Phobia: You said that not me. If reporter guy with a microphone in the door is good enough for you, then that's all that matters.


Yes, an anonymous interview conducted the day after the shooting that is corroborated by his publicly available 911 call is good enough for me. Perhaps I'm not wearing enough tinfoil, i dunno.
 
2012-03-27 11:41:32 PM  

9beers: Watch out dude, you could hurt yourself throwing speculations around like that.


Says the guy who specualates that Treyvon started the fight because at one point in the middle of fight someone saw Treyvon on top of Zimmerman but didn't see the beginning or the end of the fight.

You convinced me...
 
2012-03-27 11:41:46 PM  

ChuDogg: Fista-Phobia: You said that not me. If reporter guy with a microphone in the door is good enough for you, then that's all that matters.

Yes, an anonymous interview conducted the day after the shooting that is corroborated by his publicly available 911 call is good enough for me. Perhaps I'm not wearing enough tinfoil, i dunno.


Are trying to convince me or yourself?
 
2012-03-27 11:42:05 PM  

gaspode: spongeboob:
How can you go from being afraid someone is coming at you with something in his hand to chasing the same guy when he is running away from you.

If he was afraid of TM why would he get out of the car?

His fear is not in question, in the call he says all those things, he thinks the guy has something in his hand and is coming at him, he sounds pants-shiatting scared right there. then he panics when the guy runs off.. and because he is angry and frightened he behaves irrationally as a result.

Someone who sets themselves up in their own mind as a defender of the neighbourhood, with a gun and patrolling at night and everything, is not likely to respond well to their own fear when they actually come face to face with the thing they have been imagining themselves being the hero over. fear easily transforms to anger and rash action. Then when he confronts the guy (and the one thing no-one but he knows is how it went at that moment) he gets out of his depth and panics and oh there's the gun so very handy when its the last thing the situation needs.

It is one of the reasons vigilantism is so reviled by police and courts all over the world, they have to deal with the fallout of these little men with guns and big self-images.

The guy is a flake, and If he goes to court a decent prosecuting attorney is going to tear him to shreds in the witness stand, should such a person be assigned to it.


From what I've read, the rules of his Neighborhood Watch organization state that he shouldn't carry while patrolling, and he should never get out of his car to confront people.

/Not that violating the rules of the Neighborhood Watch organization is a crime, it's just that it's hard for him to use, "Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?" as an excuse. He'd have a STRONGER case if he hadn't gone through whatever training the Neighborhood Watch organization gave him, and was just a concerned citizen who didn't know better.
 
2012-03-27 11:42:42 PM  

Amos Quito: bulldg4life: So, what happens when forensics study shows no gunpowder residue on Trayvon Martin and no blood on Zimmerman indicating that Zimmerman shot Trayvon from a distance greater than 5 feet away? That'll be a fun thread.


Treyvon busted Zimmerman's nose and head with his amazing six-foot long arms


Is there any actual evidence of this besides "the alive guy said so?"

Theyre coming right for us!
 
2012-03-27 11:42:58 PM  

9beers: Since somebody tried to submit it and since it wasn't greened, I'll post it here.

Spike Lee tweeted incorrect George Zimmerman address, possibly putting Sanford woman in danger (new window)

Stay classy you racist piece of shiat.



This.
 
2012-03-27 11:43:34 PM  

Fart_Machine: You didn't quote anyone.


Ugh. At 2012-03-27 11:05:46 PM I quoted this...

"5. The police report includes roughly the same account from a variety of witnesses and includes grass stains on zimmerman's back as well as scars and blood on his face."


And that is the post you responded too. It's there for all to see a few posts up. Look in the mirror to find the troll.



So anyway, is there anyone reasonable and sane that knows of evidence against Zimmerman?
 
2012-03-27 11:45:22 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Fart_Machine: You didn't quote anyone.

Ugh. At 2012-03-27 11:05:46 PM I quoted this...

"5. The police report includes roughly the same account from a variety of witnesses and includes grass stains on zimmerman's back as well as scars and blood on his face."


And that is the post you responded too. It's there for all to see a few posts up. Look in the mirror to find the troll.



So anyway, is there anyone reasonable and sane that knows of evidence against Zimmerman here?

 
2012-03-27 11:45:51 PM  

HighOnCraic: I'm mainly suspicious because I've seen one report where Zimmerman claimed Martin tackled him from behind and another where Zimmerman claimed Martin approached him face to face, exchanged words, then punched Zimmerman in the face.


I noticed that same change in his story.
 
2012-03-27 11:45:56 PM  
one witness and another 13 year old who says they didnt see any such thing is NOT 'a variety of witnesses'
 
2012-03-27 11:46:26 PM  

The Homer Tax: Is there any actual evidence of this besides "the alive guy said so?"


There's evidence that the two were scuffling. There is no evidence as to who started the fight or the moment when Zimmerman pulled the trigger. There's even less of a reason why Zimmerman was stalking the guy in the first place since he wasn't doing anything suspicious apart from being a black kid wearing a hoodie.
 
2012-03-27 11:47:59 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre:
So anyway, is there anyone reasonable and sane that knows of evidence against Zimmerman?


Do you mean besides th body of the unarmed dead kid?
 
2012-03-27 11:48:09 PM  

HighOnCraic: From what I've read, the rules of his Neighborhood Watch organization state that he shouldn't carry while patrolling, and he should never get out of his car to confront people.

/Not that violating the rules of the Neighborhood Watch organization is a crime, it's just that it's hard for him to use, "Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?" as an excuse. He'd have a STRONGER case if he hadn't gone through whatever training the Neighborhood Watch organization gave him, and was just a concerned citizen who didn't know better.


Neighborhood Watch is just a private organization that gives out materials on how to hold meetings, organize people to report suspicious behavior, shiat like that. They send you a packet of information and you can get some nice vinyl decals, maybe T-Shirts and stuff, etc. I suppose you can put one of those signs up on the road by registering.

From what I gather, he volunteered to do patrols at an HOA meeting. So it was a neighborhood watch, but not a Neighborhood WatchTM
 
2012-03-27 11:48:10 PM  
 
2012-03-27 11:49:48 PM  

Fart_Machine: The Homer Tax: Is there any actual evidence of this besides "the alive guy said so?"

There's evidence that the two were scuffling. There is no evidence as to who started the fight or the moment when Zimmerman pulled the trigger. There's even less of a reason why Zimmerman was stalking the guy in the first place since he wasn't doing anything suspicious apart from being a black kid wearing a hoodie.


What about the myriad of witnesses who all saw the whole thing that everyone in this thread is talking about?
 
2012-03-27 11:50:45 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: And that is the post you responded too. It's there for all to see a few posts up. Look in the mirror to find the troll.


Your reference is another person's post who couldn't provide a citation either? OK, then you're just a moron.

Again please show me who the multiple witnesses are? I'll wait for your citation apart from some guy up-thread.
 
2012-03-27 11:50:50 PM  

HighOnCraic: gaspode: spongeboob:
How can you go from being afraid someone is coming at you with something in his hand to chasing the same guy when he is running away from you.

If he was afraid of TM why would he get out of the car?

His fear is not in question, in the call he says all those things, he thinks the guy has something in his hand and is coming at him, he sounds pants-shiatting scared right there. then he panics when the guy runs off.. and because he is angry and frightened he behaves irrationally as a result.

Someone who sets themselves up in their own mind as a defender of the neighbourhood, with a gun and patrolling at night and everything, is not likely to respond well to their own fear when they actually come face to face with the thing they have been imagining themselves being the hero over. fear easily transforms to anger and rash action. Then when he confronts the guy (and the one thing no-one but he knows is how it went at that moment) he gets out of his depth and panics and oh there's the gun so very handy when its the last thing the situation needs.

It is one of the reasons vigilantism is so reviled by police and courts all over the world, they have to deal with the fallout of these little men with guns and big self-images.

The guy is a flake, and If he goes to court a decent prosecuting attorney is going to tear him to shreds in the witness stand, should such a person be assigned to it.

From what I've read, the rules of his Neighborhood Watch organization state that he shouldn't carry while patrolling, and he should never get out of his car to confront people.

/Not that violating the rules of the Neighborhood Watch organization is a crime, it's just that it's hard for him to use, "Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?" as an excuse. He'd have a STRONGER case if he hadn't gone through whatever training the Neighborhood Watch organization gave him, and was just a concerned citizen who didn't know better.


As I stated much earlier in the thread, if Zimmerman HAD been a cop, he would not have handled the situation in this way. This is not how the police handle a call about a suspicious person. Which is exactly why the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow Martin.
 
2012-03-27 11:50:54 PM  

DavidVincent: Trayvon Martin anti-violence protester ends day by beating up girlfriend, now in jail

[i290.photobucket.com image 618x347]


www.sportfishermen.com
 
2012-03-27 11:52:26 PM  

gaspode: spongeboob:
How can you go from being afraid someone is coming at you with something in his hand to chasing the same guy when he is running away from you.

If he was afraid of TM why would he get out of the car?

His fear is not in question, in the call he says all those things, he thinks the guy has something in his hand and is coming at him, he sounds pants-shiatting scared right there. then he panics when the guy runs off.. and because he is angry and frightened he behaves irrationally as a result.

Someone who sets themselves up in their own mind as a defender of the neighbourhood, with a gun and patrolling at night and everything, is not likely to respond well to their own fear when they actually come face to face with the thing they have been imagining themselves being the hero over. fear easily transforms to anger and rash action. Then when he confronts the guy (and the one thing no-one but he knows is how it went at that moment) he gets out of his depth and panics and oh there's the gun so very handy when its the last thing the situation needs.

It is one of the reasons vigilantism is so reviled by police and courts all over the world, they have to deal with the fallout of these little men with guns and big self-images.

The guy is a flake, and If he goes to court a decent prosecuting attorney is going to tear him to shreds in the witness stand, should such a person be assigned to it.


Yeah you are right, I think if he gets called in front of grand jury he might be the worst witness against himself.
 
2012-03-27 11:52:27 PM  

DavidVincent: Trayvon Martin anti-violence protester ends day by beating up girlfriend, now in jail

[i290.photobucket.com image 618x347]


And I should give a fark why again?
 
2012-03-27 11:52:39 PM  

The Homer Tax: Do you mean besides th body of the unarmed dead kid?


So, is there evidence the shooting was unjustified? I keep asking and not one person seems to know.

Note that I'm not defending the hispanic guy. I'm just going by the police reports and few bits of factual information I can find.

Basically I became curious what all the hoopla is about after a week of daily 800+ count threads.
 
2012-03-27 11:52:50 PM  
As an aside I would also like to make a point to those mostly concerned about whether he can get away with this under Floridan law.

We don't care about that. Right and Wrong are not defined by Floridan law, and if that law allows people to execute black kids in the street and walk away with a cursory police questioning then people WILL fight for this to stop, and stop now. Laws are wrong all the time, and some are so egregiously wrong that it is right and proper for people to fight them directly.

If you think you are going to be able to say to the black community in the USA that 'oh well.. see the law here means that he could do that and we have to believe whatever he says unless the dead kid can prove he is lying.. stupid law I know but that's just the way it is, go back to your business citizens.. but please not around here and not in hoodies' then you are deluded.
 
2012-03-27 11:53:21 PM  

Fista-Phobia: Until it's on paper and public record, it's just conjecture. That's just my opinion.


Well I'm sure they'll get right to releasing the full name and photo of the eyewitness so your suspicions that he doesn't exist can be laid to rest.
 
2012-03-27 11:53:30 PM  
Zimmerman Flew and Bill Lee Knew!

cf2.imgobject.com
 
2012-03-27 11:54:37 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: The Homer Tax: Do you mean besides th body of the unarmed dead kid?

So, is there evidence the shooting was unjustified? I keep asking and not one person seems to know.

So if I shoot you nice and quiet where noone can see Im all good?
 
2012-03-27 11:55:24 PM  
 
2012-03-27 11:55:38 PM  

The Homer Tax: Amos Quito: bulldg4life: So, what happens when forensics study shows no gunpowder residue on Trayvon Martin and no blood on Zimmerman indicating that Zimmerman shot Trayvon from a distance greater than 5 feet away? That'll be a fun thread.


Treyvon busted Zimmerman's nose and head with his amazing six-foot long arms

Is there any actual evidence of this besides "the alive guy said so?"

Theyre coming right for us!



Okay, so Zimmy busted his own nose and banged his had on the concrete.

Small price to pay for ridding the world of a ...

i45.photobucket.com

... Near
 
2012-03-27 11:57:18 PM  
geolit.org

media.cmgdigital.com

waterbirthplease.files.wordpress.com

www.asiaforexmentor.com

www.secretsauce.co
 
2012-03-27 11:58:02 PM  

DavidVincent: Trayvon Martin anti-violence protester ends day by beating up girlfriend, now in jail

[i290.photobucket.com image 618x347]


See, if that protester's father was a retired judge, he wouldn't be in jail right now.

/sarc
 
2012-03-27 11:58:16 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: The Homer Tax: Do you mean besides th body of the unarmed dead kid?

So, is there evidence the shooting was unjustified? I keep asking and not one person seems to know.

Note that I'm not defending the hispanic guy. I'm just going by the police reports and few bits of factual information I can find.

Basically I became curious what all the hoopla is about after a week of daily 800+ count threads.


But you don't seem to have read any of the posts in this thread which disagree with the point you are trying to make by "just asking questions"
 
2012-03-27 11:59:24 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: The Homer Tax: Do you mean besides th body of the unarmed dead kid?

So, is there evidence the shooting was unjustified? I keep asking and not one person seems to know.

Note that I'm not defending the hispanic guy. I'm just going by the police reports and few bits of factual information I can find.

Basically I became curious what all the hoopla is about after a week of daily 800+ count threads.


Why all the hoopla? A 17-year-old kid is dead because an adult in a position of supposed authority over him decided to go all vigilante on his ass. If Zimmerman had just left the kid alone, Martin would be alive right now. End of story.

And I guarantee you if Trayvon Martin HAD wrestled the gun away from Zimmerman and somehow managed to shoot him, Martin would be in jail right now facing murder charges.
 
2012-03-28 12:00:26 AM  

gaspode: So if I shoot you nice and quiet where noone can see Im all good?


Wow. Just.....

Hmmm, okay. The repeated oblique non-answers to a simple question actually sort of answer my question. No one knows of any evidence against Zimmerman. I'll ask again in tomorrow's hysterical Trayvon thread.
 
2012-03-28 12:00:31 AM  
So what prison gang can Zimmerman join as a "white" latino"

I guess he can start one called Los Blanquillos - the white beans.
 
2012-03-28 12:00:53 AM  
 
2012-03-28 12:01:43 AM  
These threads are devolving into nothing but a bunch people being deliberately obtuse about what is and isn't known because their week long "OH MY GOD THAT EVIL RACIST WHITE MAN MURDERED THAT POOR DEFENSELESS LITTLE BLACK BOY IN COLD BLOOD FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN HE WAS BLACK AND SKITTLES AND STUFF" bandwagon is slowly crumbling. Trying to tell them any is an exercise in futility when they willfully refuse to acknowledge anything that might go against the scenario they already decided must have happened.
 
2012-03-28 12:02:02 AM  

Fart_Machine: There's even less of a reason why Zimmerman was stalking the guy in the first place since he wasn't doing anything suspicious apart from being a black kid wearing a hoodie.


Look at my geographical overlay (new window)

He get's out of the car at 2:15 in the 911 call (new window). (you can hear the open door alarm go off in the background). He is told "we don't need you to do that" at 2:30. It's about 2:40 that he says "he ran" in a dismissive tone, indicating he can now see down the cut through between the complexes. He then spends the next minute or so answering dispatch questions about meeting the police, and you can hear his breathing becomes much more relaxed as he's no longer running.

Your entire "chase" scenario is really just a short dash across maybe 20 meters of lawn (driveways are 1 car length, for reference).
 
2012-03-28 12:02:19 AM  

DavidVincent: For every one that thinks Tray-von was a child, look at what a 13 year old is capable of.


Word is that he was just walking home from the store with a bag of Skittles when he was attacked by that 90 year old vagina.
 
2012-03-28 12:03:15 AM  

9beers: Fista-Phobia: Until it's on paper and public record, it's just conjecture. That's just my opinion.

Well I'm sure they'll get right to releasing the full name and photo of the eyewitness so your suspicions that he doesn't exist can be laid to rest.


by the way ABC has been identifying the 13 y/o witness for a whole day. Kind of goes against your posting that his name hasn't been released. What else are you wrong about, and so cocksure you are right.
 
2012-03-28 12:03:54 AM  

9beers: Fista-Phobia: Until it's on paper and public record, it's just conjecture. That's just my opinion.

Well I'm sure they'll get right to releasing the full name and photo of the eyewitness so your suspicions that he doesn't exist can be laid to rest.


Exist? Sure. I'm certain "John" is quite real. But until it's corroborated and officially documented via a police report, his account is just his version of what he witnessed. Why are you so adamant that I believe his account of the events that transpired? Do you have some sort of agenda?
 
2012-03-28 12:05:34 AM  

MoeSzyslak: These threads are devolving into nothing but a bunch people being deliberately obtuse about what is and isn't known because their week long "OH MY GOD THAT EVIL RACIST WHITE MAN MURDERED THAT POOR DEFENSELESS LITTLE BLACK BOY IN COLD BLOOD FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN HE WAS BLACK AND SKITTLES AND STUFF" bandwagon is slowly crumbling. Trying to tell them any is an exercise in futility when they willfully refuse to acknowledge anything that might go against the scenario they already decided must have happened.


Wait what are you talking about.

All I see is people on both sides who pick and choose the facts they want to believe in acting their side is superior.

Just like anything else on Fark.

I admit I'm one of those folks. But at least I don't lie and pretend I don't like some folks on here.
 
2012-03-28 12:05:48 AM  

theflatline: So what prison gang can Zimmerman join as a "white" latino"

I guess he can start one called Los Blanquillos - the white beans.


First of all, "white" is a race and "Hispanic/Latino" is an ethnicity. Someone could actually be a black Hispanic. Really.

Second of all, your white beans joke was funny but also offensive. Shame on you for making me laugh at that joke!

/White Portuguese
//Not Hispanic, according to the government
 
2012-03-28 12:07:13 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: gaspode: So if I shoot you nice and quiet where noone can see Im all good?

Wow. Just.....

Hmmm, okay. The repeated oblique non-answers to a simple question actually sort of answer my question. No one knows of any evidence against Zimmerman. I'll ask again in tomorrow's hysterical Trayvon thread.


Whats your issue? You are assuming that if you gun someone down when no-one is looking that the burden of proof is on the deceased to prove they didn't deserve it. That any killing is justified by default unless someone provides irrefutable evidence that is is unjustified. Otherwise say what you mean. Anyone responding to you with snark is fully justified, your question is bullshiat.
 
2012-03-28 12:07:22 AM  

spongeboob: But you don't seem to have read any of the posts in this thread which disagree with the point you are trying to make by "just asking questions"


Exactly. I admit I have only skimmed two threads. And read a few articles.

At first I ignored this story because it is one of (very very) many reports of minority violence in Sanford. I live next to Sanford (one city away) so I hear the violent crime stuff daily. If I got all outragey every time some minority shot another in Sanford I wouldn't have time to breathe, much less have a life.

But, eventually when this story got bigger, and then bigger than Elvis and the Beatles combined, I became curious. So i admit I am behind on it.
 
2012-03-28 12:07:47 AM  
I wonder how many accounts posting in this thread are alts?
 
2012-03-28 12:08:26 AM  
here is a picture of a child with a gun

ameristroika.files.wordpress.com

obviously the 17 yr old non-child, imo, wrestled the gun away from the responsible owner and shot himself, having previously made the responsible gun owner follow him
 
2012-03-28 12:08:28 AM  

MoeSzyslak: These threads are devolving into nothing but a bunch people being deliberately obtuse about what is and isn't known because their week long "OH MY GOD THAT EVIL RACIST WHITE MAN MURDERED THAT POOR DEFENSELESS LITTLE BLACK BOY IN COLD BLOOD FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN HE WAS BLACK AND SKITTLES AND STUFF" bandwagon is slowly crumbling. Trying to tell them any is an exercise in futility when they willfully refuse to acknowledge anything that might go against the scenario they already decided must have happened.




I'm guessing the more mass media one consumes the greater the inclination to believe racial narratives only unfold one way.
 
2012-03-28 12:08:30 AM  

Mrtraveler01: MoeSzyslak: These threads are devolving into nothing but a bunch people being deliberately obtuse about what is and isn't known because their week long "OH MY GOD THAT EVIL RACIST WHITE MAN MURDERED THAT POOR DEFENSELESS LITTLE BLACK BOY IN COLD BLOOD FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN HE WAS BLACK AND SKITTLES AND STUFF" bandwagon is slowly crumbling. Trying to tell them any is an exercise in futility when they willfully refuse to acknowledge anything that might go against the scenario they already decided must have happened.

Wait what are you talking about.

All I see is people on both sides who pick and choose the facts they want to believe in acting their side is superior.

Just like anything else on Fark.

I admit I'm one of those folks. But at least I don't lie and pretend I don't like some folks on here.


I think most reasoned people are outraged that a grown man shot and killed a 17-year-old kid for absolutely no good reason, and it's very likely he'll get away with it. We're also pretty outraged that the cops didn't seem to try very hard to figure out what exactly happened. shiat, it took them 3 days to figure out who the dead black boy was, and he was killed a couple hundred feet from his house. AND it was his dad who figured out he was on the phone with his girlfriend at the time of the confrontation; the cops never even opened the kid's phone.
 
2012-03-28 12:09:27 AM  

spongeboob: by the way ABC has been identifying the 13 y/o witness for a whole day. Kind of goes against your posting that his name hasn't been released. What else are you wrong about, and so cocksure you are right.


Well since the kid isn't getting any press it's stands to reason that I wouldn't have known that. Perhaps you missed my earlier post where I declared his testimony irrelevant since he didn't see anything anyways.
 
2012-03-28 12:10:46 AM  

gaspode: ThrobblefootSpectre: gaspode: So if I shoot you nice and quiet where noone can see Im all good?

Wow. Just.....

Hmmm, okay. The repeated oblique non-answers to a simple question actually sort of answer my question. No one knows of any evidence against Zimmerman. I'll ask again in tomorrow's hysterical Trayvon thread.

Whats your issue? You are assuming that if you gun someone down when no-one is looking that the burden of proof is on the deceased to prove they didn't deserve it. That any killing is justified by default unless someone provides irrefutable evidence that is is unjustified. Otherwise say what you mean. Anyone responding to you with snark is fully justified, your question is bullshiat.


Yeah fark all that innocent until proven guilty in a court of law noise! Who's with me?
 
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