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2012-03-27 06:51:50 PM  

bugontherug: Which is why we have to infer what happened based on the totality of the evidence. Zimmerman himself stated he was hunting Travyon


No he didn't. He said he was going to follow him when he ran.

bugontherug: Further increasing the inference of Travyon's unwillingness to confront, and undermining the claim that Travyon was running at the time Zimmerman approached him (not before the 911 call, but after), Travyon's girlfriend stated that Travyon was concerned about the adult who was hunting him down. She advised him to run away, but he declined, and continued to walk.


Incorrect zimmerman tried to pursue treyvon and you could hear it in the audio when he becomes winded.
 
2012-03-27 06:52:57 PM  

Thrag: Shaggy_C: Thrag: Now you can just make shiat up and try to say that both conversations happened, but that would also contradict what we know of Zimmerman's testimony.

Do you actually have Zimmerman's complete testimony? Cos what I've seen says that Martin approached him from behind, they exchanged words, ending with "Do you have a problem". That "exchanged words" hasn't been defined in any of the articles I've read about the case. You're the one inventing things by making "Do you have a problem" the first thing Zimmerman claims the kid said.

I am going only by what has been released to the press about Zimmerman's statements. The statements released indicate an exchange consisting of "You have a problem?" "No." "You do now." and nothing more. There is no mention at all of an exchange like "Why are you following me?" "What are you doing here?" .

In the call the girl claims she hears the sounds of a scuffle and the call is cut off right after Zimmerman says "What are you doing here?". Zimmerman claims that right after Martin says "You do now." he is punched. Those claims also contradict each other.

Is is simply insane to claim that the two different accounts corroborate rather than contradict each other.


What are you talking about? That's all over the news. And this is the first I'm hearing of Martin supposedly saying "You do now." The girlfriend hasn't stated that's what he said.
 
2012-03-27 06:53:05 PM  

Without Fail: jafiwam: Anything she says beyond "had a phone call with Martin" is most likely a lie, and since we haven't seen the actual phone records yet, the call itself could be a lie.

Guess Zimmerman should get a fair trial so we can find out, eh?


Hehe what are the odds of that happening for the defense or prosecution?
 
2012-03-27 06:53:27 PM  

Without Fail: jafiwam: Anything she says beyond "had a phone call with Martin" is most likely a lie, and since we haven't seen the actual phone records yet, the call itself could be a lie.

Guess Zimmerman should get a fair trial so we can find out, eh?


If they can find enough evidence to try him, he should get a trial. They aren't anywhere near that point yet. There is a lot of information not released, toxicology, the exact nature of the gunshot wound, etc. We haven't seen ANY of the autopsy as far as I can tell.

Some of that stuff was evident at the scene. Yet, no arrest has been made. My expectation is that if there was a clear cut bombshell of evidence, we'd already have it.

What we DONT need, is the african-american community destroying the progress they have made since the 60's with this dog and pony show bullshiat. They, of all people, should realize that justice at the behest of a mob is not justice at all.

This bullshiat of scrubbing the real Trayvon out and showing what is obviously old pictures, etc. etc. is an engineered and elaborate lie to spin the truth. A convenient way to take the heat of the whole Fast & Furious scandal.
 
2012-03-27 06:53:47 PM  
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call3.wav

This is pretty telling. If you listen to this you can hear someone clearly screaming for help before being shot. It sounds very cold blooded.

To me it doesn't sound like the voice of Zimmerman in this
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call1.wav

There's a part of me that wants the black panthers to get a hold of Georgie, from a purely scientific perspective. I'd like to hear George Scream for his life.

Those screams sound more like the screams of a boy, not the screams of a 250 pound man on "call1"
 
2012-03-27 06:54:19 PM  

Indubitably: Yeah, and, for the record:

...if you approach me from behind after following me for awhile, i will find your actions to be hostile, and in your state, i will stand my ground and execute you? seriously?

this is the world?

bah and boo.

let's make a better tomorrow, okay?

thank you.

;)


bottom-line: man gun-killed a kid-skittled. that is all.
 
2012-03-27 06:54:38 PM  

jafiwam: What we DONT need, is the african-american community destroying the progress they have made since the 60's with this dog and pony show bullshiat.


Yes, blame it on the black community.
 
2012-03-27 06:54:56 PM  

Without Fail: I alone am best: You don't know anything about the case yet you want to declare Zimmerman guilty. Way to go bro.

No. We don't know enough about the case and think that it should be fully investigated.
An unarmed teenager was murdered, and the police did nothing. That is why I'm pissed.


You admit you don't know enough about the case, but immediately after jump to the conclusion that it was murder?
 
2012-03-27 06:54:58 PM  

Thrag: I am going only by what has been released to the press about Zimmerman's statements. The statements released indicate an exchange consisting of "You have a problem?" "No." "You do now." and nothing more. There is no mention at all of an exchange like "Why are you following me?" "What are you doing here?" .


The account says they "exchanged words". This exchange ended with the "do you have a problem" sequence. The reason that's all we have is because that's all the anonymous sources at the police have released.
 
2012-03-27 06:55:58 PM  

mojuba: http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call3.wav

This is pretty telling. If you listen to this you can hear someone clearly screaming for help before being shot. It sounds very cold blooded.

To me it doesn't sound like the voice of Zimmerman in this
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call1.wav

There's a part of me that wants the black panthers to get a hold of Georgie, from a purely scientific perspective. I'd like to hear George Scream for his life.

Those screams sound more like the screams of a boy, not the screams of a 250 pound man on "call1"


Everyone's voice is unique. It'd be really easy to match (or NOT match) the voice in that 911 call with George Zimmerman's voice. Even if he's screaming, the soundwave pattern will be exactly the same as if he was whispering.
 
2012-03-27 06:56:04 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: What are you talking about? That's all over the news. And this is the first I'm hearing of Martin supposedly saying "You do now." The girlfriend hasn't stated that's what he said.


You are seriously misreading my post. In that paragraph I am clearly talking about Zimmerman's statements. Zimmerman's statements about the verbal exchange that took place do not include the "Why are you following me?" "What are you doing here?" conversation that the girlfriend reports hearing over the phone.
 
2012-03-27 06:56:09 PM  

Morpheses: FTFY


Barf. Tastes like Chicken of the Swamp!

/and that ain' NO goot!
 
2012-03-27 06:56:24 PM  

bugontherug: bugontherug: I alone am best: bugontherug: I alone am best: Even if he did chase him in the car, he could not get out fast enough to get into a physical altercation with a 17 year old who was in shape. Unless the kid approached him.

Unless the kid stood his ground against the adult carrying a loaded firearm who had just hunted him down after being advised not to by the police.

The kid was running. So, the guy is walking toward the kid he runs. The guy tearing through trying to catch him in his vehicle is when he decides to stand his ground?

Not that either of us know what really happened but that just doesn't sound plausible.

Which is why we have to infer what happened based on the totality of the evidence. Zimmerman himself stated he was hunting Travyon, and that Travyon ran away. After being advised by police to cease hunting Travyon, Zimmerman continued to hunt Travyon while carrying a loaded firearm.

Zimmerman manifested a dedicated purpose to confront, whereas by Zimmerman's own account, Travyoin manifested an unwillingness to confront.

Further increasing the inference of Travyon's unwillingness to confront, and undermining the claim that Travyon was running at the time Zimmerman approached him (not before the 911 call, but after), Travyon's girlfriend stated that Travyon was concerned about the adult who was hunting him down. She advised him to run away, but he declined, and continued to walk.

Zimmerman indicated a dedicated purpose to confront against police advice, and against the Neighborhood Watch program's own protocols. Travyon indicated a desire to avoid confrontation by running and then walking away. Because Travyon was walking after the 911 call, even the corpulent Zimmerman could catch up with him with a light jog.

In short, Zimmerman aggressed. Travyon stood his ground.


Do aggressors commonly call 911?

Why didn't the little angel call the cops? He had a phone on him. Hang up from the girlfriend (if that isn't a lie) and call the cops. I am sure the dispatchers are right next to one another, they could tell him what was going on.
 
2012-03-27 06:58:10 PM  

I alone am best: spongeboob: I alone am best: spongeboob: I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: Besides the fact that the kid obviously came back and attacked Zimmerman. Can a 911 dispatcher issue a lawful order?

What makes that "obvious"?

Because zimmerman tells the 911 dispatcher that he ran then has a conversation with the dispatcher afterwords which wouldn't happen if he was chasing the kid.

Once again there is no way this chunky dude caught that kid.

No way a chunky dude in a car can catch a kid?

Oh so now he runs him down in a car, while the kid just stands there and shoots him. He must have been so afraid that he couldnt run through someones yard because zimmerman was so lightning fast. Got it.

Oh for farking farks sake you said there is no way a chunky dude can catch a kid and I pointed out that the fat pussy was in a car, cars can go faster than people. And somehow you try twist that I said he ran him down in his car.

Ran down is an expression. The fact is he got out of the car to chase him. He didn't just go get back in the car and chase him down.

Even if he did chase him in the car, he could not get out fast enough to get into a physical altercation with a 17 year old who was in shape. Unless the kid approached him.


Trevon doesn't have a duty to flee remember, state law. He was pursued by car then on foot, Trevon was justified by the stand your ground law, Zimmerman was not justified by any law. Zimmerman initiated the first contact by way of his actions, and he escalated the altercation with deadly force. You can't explain that.

A young man who appears to have broken no law and was clearly just walking home was followed by an armed citizen who was told not to by police. That same armed citizen has a confrontation with the young man moments later and we are expected to believe that it was Trevon who was the aggressor? All the facts seem to indicated Zimmerman was the aggressor in this relationship, right up until the last moments before he fired his weapon and shot an unarmed man? You buy that? Really?
 
2012-03-27 06:58:58 PM  

Thrag: Because physical altercations cause vibrations in the air that are commonly referred to as "sound". Was this really a serious question?


You can actually tell the difference between a dropped phone, a thrown punch, and heavy wind over a shiatty cell connection? Please. I'll give credence to words that a witness claims to hear. Interpretation of noises, on the other hand, are less than reliable.
 
2012-03-27 06:59:46 PM  

Thrag: Mike Chewbacca: What are you talking about? That's all over the news. And this is the first I'm hearing of Martin supposedly saying "You do now." The girlfriend hasn't stated that's what he said.

You are seriously misreading my post. In that paragraph I am clearly talking about Zimmerman's statements. Zimmerman's statements about the verbal exchange that took place do not include the "Why are you following me?" "What are you doing here?" conversation that the girlfriend reports hearing over the phone.


Ha, okay, I was confused.
 
2012-03-27 06:59:51 PM  

I alone am best: No he didn't. He said he was going to follow him when he ran.


I alone am best: Incorrect zimmerman tried to pursue treyvon and you could hear it in the audio when he becomes winded.


I alone am best: bugontherug: Which is why we have to infer what happened based on the totality of the evidence. Zimmerman himself stated he was hunting Travyon

No he didn't. He said he was going to follow him when he ran.


Zimmerman admitted he had been hunting Travyon. His admission prompted the dispatcher to advise Zimmerman against hunting Travyon.



bugontherug: Further increasing the inference of Travyon's unwillingness to confront, and undermining the claim that Travyon was running at the time Zimmerman approached him (not before the 911 call, but after), Travyon's girlfriend stated that Travyon was concerned about the adult who was hunting him down. She advised him to run away, but he declined, and continued to walk.

Incorrect zimmerman tried to pursue treyvon and you could hear it in the audio when he becomes winded.


Yes. Zimmerman hunted Travyon. On this point we now agree. Zimmerman, carrying a loaded firerarm, hunted Travyon, manifesting a dedicated purpose to confront against police advice and against Neighborhood Watch protocols. The unarmed minor Travyon, by contrast, by Zimmerman's own account manifested a desire to avoid confrontation by initially running away. But after Zimmerman's 911 call, the evidence shows Travyon slowed to a walk, permitting the corpulent Zimmerman to easily catch up with him.
 
2012-03-27 07:00:01 PM  

Shaggy_C: Thrag: I am going only by what has been released to the press about Zimmerman's statements. The statements released indicate an exchange consisting of "You have a problem?" "No." "You do now." and nothing more. There is no mention at all of an exchange like "Why are you following me?" "What are you doing here?" .

The account says they "exchanged words". This exchange ended with the "do you have a problem" sequence. The reason that's all we have is because that's all the anonymous sources at the police have released.


The two account still in no way corroborate each other. They still contradict each other. Zimmerman claims a verbal exchange that takes place immediately before the physical confrontation begins that is completely different from what the girl reports hearing immediately before she hears sounds of a physical confrontation.

Sure, you can make shiat up and say "well, maybe both exchanges happened" but that's meaningless and it doesn't somehow make the two statements corroborate each other in any way.
 
2012-03-27 07:00:01 PM  

Artemus_Hackwell: USCLaw2010: [i34.tinypic.com image 640x480]
/oblig

Are those boudin links? Placed out by redneck buffoons? lol


I think they are corn dogs. There is a long running joke in SEC football circles that LSU fans smell like corn dogs.

Link (new window)
 
2012-03-27 07:00:09 PM  

mojuba: http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call3.wav

This is pretty telling. If you listen to this you can hear someone clearly screaming for help before being shot. It sounds very cold blooded.

To me it doesn't sound like the voice of Zimmerman in this
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call1.wav

There's a part of me that wants the black panthers to get a hold of Georgie, from a purely scientific perspective. I'd like to hear George Scream for his life.

Those screams sound more like the screams of a boy, not the screams of a 250 pound man on "call1"


Trayvon is on top of Zimmerman beating him at that point. The screaming could be either of them. The gun that shot Trayvon had ejected the shell, and not loaded a new round. Which on that model of gun, is consistent with being held on the slide.

Trayvon found the gun while beating Zimmerman, they grappled for it. People vocalize in a struggle. Either Zimmerman did because his gun was being taken from him, or Travyon did because he couldn't get the gun away.

At any point, Travyon could have stopped the beating, gotten up, and walked away.

His death is his fault. His choices led up to it, and his choice to start a fight sealed his fate.
 
2012-03-27 07:00:29 PM  
The local police interviewed Zimmerman for hours the night of the shooting. They finally called the State Attorney, Norman Wolfinger who told them not to press charges because in his opinion, the state could not get a manslaughter conviction with the available evidence.

Now:


SANFORD, Fla. -- Seminole County State Attorney Norman R. Wolfinger Thursday night removed himself from the case of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed teenager whose killing by a town watch volunteer last month sparked national outrage.

"In the interest of the public safety of the citizens of Seminole County and to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest, I would respectfully request the executive assignment of another state attorney for the investigation and any prosecution arising from the circumstances surrounding the death of Trayvon B. Martin," Wolfinger said in a statement released about 9:15 p.m. "This request is being made in light of the public good with the intent of toning down the rhetoric and preserving the integrity of this investigation."

Gov. Rick Scott met with the Martin's family and their legal team earlier today and assured them that Wolfinger would step down from the case, according to a family lawyer. Scott appointed Angela B. Corey, the prosecutor in the Jacksonville area, to replace Wolfinger on the investigation. The governor said on Thursday night that a state task force would review Florida's Stand Your Ground law and recommend changes "so that we might help avoid such tragedies in the future."

Wolfinger's decision was the second major shakeup in the case Thursday. Earlier, police Chief Bill Lee Jr. said during a hastily called press conference that he would temporarily resign as head of the Sanford police. Lee came into office less than a year ago, on the heels of another scandal that forced out his predecessor.

Lee has been at the center of the investigation into Martin's Feb. 26 killing and has come under fire for what Martin's family and a growing sea of their supporters say has been a botched investigation at best, and a cover-up at worst.


George Zimmerman, 28, told police that he shot the Miami native during a confrontation inside a gated community where Martin's father lived. Zimmerman told the police that he noticed Martin, who he described in a call to 911 as a "suspicious" person who appeared to be on drugs. He then followed Martin, 17, against the recommendation of the 911 dispatcher. At some point the police said Martin noticed that he was being followed, questioned Zimmerman, and then a physical altercation ensued. Zimmerman reportedly ended up with a bloody nose. Martin ended up with a gunshot to the chest.

Zimmerman claimed self-defense. The police questioned him, but then let him go, saying they did not have enough evidence to charge him.

Police turned their investigation over to the State Attorney's Office, which will decide whether to charge Zimmerman. On Monday, Wolfinger announced he would assemble a grand jury on April 10.

At the time, Wolfinger asked that "the public remain patient as this process continues forward." Soon after that, the U.S. Justice Department joined the investigation, along with the FBI. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement said that it too would be adding its investigative muscle to the case.

Wolfinger said in his statement Thursday that he said he was confident in the ability of his office to "conduct a fair and impartial investigation."

"I have already committed experienced career prosecutors and investigators to this task who have been working diligently in conjunction with" the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Wolfinger said. "We will cooperate fully with the appointed state attorney to assure a smooth transition of the investigation and the April 10, 2012, convening of the Seminole County Grand Jury.

Corey, the newly appointed prosecutor from Jacksonville, told a local television news station that she has been prosecuting homicides for 25 years of her 30-year career. She plans to visit Sanford on Friday.

"The governor called me late this afternoon and I accepted his request and we will begin tomorrow to look into the facts and circumstances in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin," Corey told WJXT. "It requires a thorough investigation, extensive interviews of every witness and extensive review of all evidence," Corey said. "And then a determination of how we apply Florida's law to the facts of any case."

Florida Gov. Rick Scott said Thursday night the state will assemble a task force to study the state's Stand Your Ground law, which allows deadly force anywhere in self-defense. The lieutenant governor will lead the task force. The House speaker and Senate president will help name members and the group will begin work as soon as the criminal probe into Martin's killing finishes, Scott said.

"As law enforcement investigates the death of Trayvon Martin, Floridians and others around the country have rightly recognized this as a terrible tragedy," Scott said in a statement. "Like all Floridians, I believe we must take steps to ensure tragedies like this are avoided. After listening to many concerned citizens in recent days, I will call for a task force on citizen safety and protection to investigate how to make sure a tragedy such as this does not occur in the future, while at the same time, protecting the fundamental rights of all of our citizens -- especially the right to feel protected and safe in our state."

Scott said the task force would "thoroughly review" the Stand Your Ground law and recommend changes to it and other laws that might be found lacking.
 
2012-03-27 07:01:37 PM  

UseLessHuman: Trevon doesn't have a duty to flee remember, state law. He was pursued by car then on foot, Trevon was justified by the stand your ground law, Zimmerman was not justified by any law. Zimmerman initiated the first contact by way of his actions, and he escalated the altercation with deadly force. You can't explain that.


You except for the part where Zimmerman stopped following him and started walking back to his truck and Martin approached him?
 
2012-03-27 07:04:35 PM  

Callous: UseLessHuman: Trevon doesn't have a duty to flee remember, state law. He was pursued by car then on foot, Trevon was justified by the stand your ground law, Zimmerman was not justified by any law. Zimmerman initiated the first contact by way of his actions, and he escalated the altercation with deadly force. You can't explain that.

You except for the part where Zimmerman stopped following him and started walking back to his truck and Martin approached him?


Liars always leave the bits that don't work with their lies out.
 
2012-03-27 07:04:58 PM  
I'm from La. and heard coonass growing up, of course. I shiat you not I never heard the term coon for black person until I was in college.
 
2012-03-27 07:05:37 PM  
fark, I just can't do it. People keep posting bullshiat and untruths and I just have to respond.

To those claiming witness tampering, you might want to back off on that and see what's actually going on. The person claiming that the police corrected her when claiming that she heard Martin calling for help is Mary Cutcher, the short haired blonde hottie that I totally want to bang.

The first thing to remember is that we haven't even see a copy of the statement she gave to police so we have no idea what it contains. We also have a witness that appears to keep changing her story if you watch her numerous interviews.

Secondly, this is the same woman who has claimed in interviews that she's certain that it wasn't self defense and that Zimmerman didn't need to shoot somebody that was half his size. She has an obvious bias even though she admits she didn't look outside until after the shooting and has no idea what actually happened. She also claims to know it was Martin screaming for help because the screaming stops after the gunshot.

Next we have her roommate (bullshiat, they're totally lesbians) saying that when she looked outside, it was so dark that she couldn't see anything and that she has no idea what was going on. They then claim there was no indication of a fight, after admitting that it was to dark to see anything. She also indicates in a later interview that it was too dark to see Zimmerman's face when asked if Zimmerman was bleeding.

Then we have the police claiming that Cutcher has been changing the story that she gave to the police. She was recently on Anderson Cooper and he questions her about her inconsistent statements. Watch the interview and you'll see her stumbling on her words while trying to explain the inconsistencies in her story.

This chick is totally unreliable but totally hot. Call me, Mary, you sexy little lesbian pixie.
 
2012-03-27 07:05:45 PM  
The point is moot because he said "punk" not "coon".
 
2012-03-27 07:06:31 PM  

jafiwam: mojuba: http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call3.wav

This is pretty telling. If you listen to this you can hear someone clearly screaming for help before being shot. It sounds very cold blooded.

To me it doesn't sound like the voice of Zimmerman in this
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call1.wav

There's a part of me that wants the black panthers to get a hold of Georgie, from a purely scientific perspective. I'd like to hear George Scream for his life.

Those screams sound more like the screams of a boy, not the screams of a 250 pound man on "call1"

Trayvon is on top of Zimmerman beating him at that point. The screaming could be either of them. The gun that shot Trayvon had ejected the shell, and not loaded a new round. Which on that model of gun, is consistent with being held on the slide.

Trayvon found the gun while beating Zimmerman, they grappled for it. People vocalize in a struggle. Either Zimmerman did because his gun was being taken from him, or Travyon did because he couldn't get the gun away.

At any point, Travyon could have stopped the beating, gotten up, and walked away.

His death is his fault. His choices led up to it, and his choice to start a fight sealed his fate.


Wrong.

His death is Z's fault, and yer obfuscation is unsuccessful.

Period.
 
2012-03-27 07:07:27 PM  

jafiwam: Do aggressors commonly call 911?


Not commonly, no. But we know Zimmerman, carrying a loaded firearm, hunted Travyon against Neighborhood Watch protocols prior to his 911 call. We also know Zimmerman, carrying a loaded firearm, continued to hunt Travyon against police advice after the 911 call. And, according to Zimmerman's own account, Travyon manifested a rather strong desire to avoid confrontation by running away.

The inference, not beyond all doubt, but certainly beyond a reasonable doubt, is that Zimmerman aggressed. His conduct in stalking an innocent minor is, by definition, aggression.

Why didn't the little angel call the cops? He had a phone on him. Hang up from the girlfriend (if that isn't a lie) and call the cops. I am sure the dispatchers are right next to one another, they could tell him what was going on.

Prior to Zimmerman approaching him with a loaded fireram, he might not have been sufficiently alarmed to feel the situation warranted a 911 call. Maybe his girlfriend called just as he was about to dial. Who knows? All available evidence says the adult Zimmerman, carrying a loaded firearm, manifested a dedicated purpose to confront against all advise and protocol. The same evidence says the unarmed minor Travyon, sensibly manifested a desire to avoid confrontation. Zimmerman aggressed. Travyon, after trying to avoid a fight, stood his ground.
 
2012-03-27 07:09:56 PM  
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2012-03-27 07:10:00 PM  

Callous: UseLessHuman: Trevon doesn't have a duty to flee remember, state law. He was pursued by car then on foot, Trevon was justified by the stand your ground law, Zimmerman was not justified by any law. Zimmerman initiated the first contact by way of his actions, and he escalated the altercation with deadly force. You can't explain that.

You except for the part where Zimmerman stopped following him and started walking back to his truck and Martin approached him?


If Trayvon Martin was running away from George Zimmerman, why would Martin confront Zimmerman after he'd finally gotten away from him (Zimmerman)? That makes zero sense. If he'd wanted to confront George Zimmerman, he could have just chosen to not run in the first place.
 
2012-03-27 07:10:31 PM  

bugontherug: Prior to Zimmerman approaching him with a loaded fireram, he might not have been sufficiently alarmed to feel the situation warranted a 911 call. Maybe his girlfriend called just as he was about to dial. Who knows? All available evidence says the adult Zimmerman, carrying a loaded firearm, manifested a dedicated purpose to confront against all advise and protocol. The same evidence says the unarmed minor Travyon, sensibly manifested a desire to avoid confrontation. Zimmerman aggressed. Travyon, after trying to avoid a fight, stood his ground.



You mean other than the evidence that doesn't agree with what you are claiming right?
 
2012-03-27 07:10:54 PM  

swahnhennessy: newton: The same voice that is yelling for help is the same voice that screams a cry before the gunshot

Martin's family has already identified it as him. But, you know, they're lying or don't know what he sounds like or something.


Zimms friends say it is him too. So- I'm sticking to just analyzing the audio itself.
 
2012-03-27 07:11:16 PM  
Why are they only using pics of when trayvon was 11 and 12?
 
2012-03-27 07:12:07 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Callous: UseLessHuman: Trevon doesn't have a duty to flee remember, state law. He was pursued by car then on foot, Trevon was justified by the stand your ground law, Zimmerman was not justified by any law. Zimmerman initiated the first contact by way of his actions, and he escalated the altercation with deadly force. You can't explain that.

You except for the part where Zimmerman stopped following him and started walking back to his truck and Martin approached him?

If Trayvon Martin was running away from George Zimmerman, why would Martin confront Zimmerman after he'd finally gotten away from him (Zimmerman)? That makes zero sense. If he'd wanted to confront George Zimmerman, he could have just chosen to not run in the first place.


Why would George Zimmerman just walk up to a 17 year old kid and just blow him away?

People sometimes do stupid things when they get angry or scared.
 
2012-03-27 07:12:22 PM  

Callous: bugontherug: Prior to Zimmerman approaching him with a loaded fireram, he might not have been sufficiently alarmed to feel the situation warranted a 911 call. Maybe his girlfriend called just as he was about to dial. Who knows? All available evidence says the adult Zimmerman, carrying a loaded firearm, manifested a dedicated purpose to confront against all advise and protocol. The same evidence says the unarmed minor Travyon, sensibly manifested a desire to avoid confrontation. Zimmerman aggressed. Travyon, after trying to avoid a fight, stood his ground.


You mean other than the evidence that doesn't agree with what you are claiming right?


Even George Zimmerman says he pursued Trayvon Martin. And the 911 dispatcher told him not to, and he did it anyway.
 
2012-03-27 07:13:07 PM  

KimNorth: Why are they only using pics of when trayvon was 11 and 12?


Makes him look younger, smaller and more sympathetic.
 
2012-03-27 07:14:12 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Callous: bugontherug: Prior to Zimmerman approaching him with a loaded fireram, he might not have been sufficiently alarmed to feel the situation warranted a 911 call. Maybe his girlfriend called just as he was about to dial. Who knows? All available evidence says the adult Zimmerman, carrying a loaded firearm, manifested a dedicated purpose to confront against all advise and protocol. The same evidence says the unarmed minor Travyon, sensibly manifested a desire to avoid confrontation. Zimmerman aggressed. Travyon, after trying to avoid a fight, stood his ground.


You mean other than the evidence that doesn't agree with what you are claiming right?

Even George Zimmerman says he pursued Trayvon Martin. And the 911 dispatcher told him not to, and he did it anyway.


Yes, but he also says he broke it off after losing track of him and headed back to his truck when Martin approached him.

Are you just picking and choosing the parts that you agree with?
 
2012-03-27 07:15:15 PM  

Callous: bugontherug: Prior to Zimmerman approaching him with a loaded fireram, he might not have been sufficiently alarmed to feel the situation warranted a 911 call. Maybe his girlfriend called just as he was about to dial. Who knows? All available evidence says the adult Zimmerman, carrying a loaded firearm, manifested a dedicated purpose to confront against all advise and protocol. The same evidence says the unarmed minor Travyon, sensibly manifested a desire to avoid confrontation. Zimmerman aggressed. Travyon, after trying to avoid a fight, stood his ground.


You mean other than the evidence that doesn't agree with what you are claiming right?


His tritter account has him telling his cousin how he swung on a bus driver then ran.

So you have a jerk with a gun who is looking for a reason to use it and a teen with a chip on his shoulder who unknowing gave it to him.
 
2012-03-27 07:15:19 PM  

theflatline: CheatCommando: hubiestubert: There's a difference difference between trying to beat a Coon Ass, or beating someone's coon ass

And furthermore, a non-Cajun using the term is usually asking for a beatdown. Much like the n-word, it is OK if the "in group" uses it, but outsiders do so at their peril.

No you are wrong, we proudly wear the badge of coonass, and we love it when other people call us that, so STFU.


Pretty much it comes down to nuance. There's a world of difference between folks who are friendly and love you calling you a Coonass, and those who are calling you a dumb f*ck inbred Coonass.
 
2012-03-27 07:15:56 PM  

Callous: bugontherug: Prior to Zimmerman approaching him with a loaded fireram, he might not have been sufficiently alarmed to feel the situation warranted a 911 call. Maybe his girlfriend called just as he was about to dial. Who knows? All available evidence says the adult Zimmerman, carrying a loaded firearm, manifested a dedicated purpose to confront against all advise and protocol. The same evidence says the unarmed minor Travyon, sensibly manifested a desire to avoid confrontation. Zimmerman aggressed. Travyon, after trying to avoid a fight, stood his ground.


You mean other than the evidence that doesn't agree with what you are claiming right?


No such evidence exists. Even the evidence which people claim is countervailing ultimately supports the conclusion that Zimmerman aggressed. "But he called 911." Yes, and during that 911 call he indicated he had been hunting Travyon, was advised not to, and muttered some kind of a curse which the large majority of hearers say was a racial slur. And even if it wasn't a racial slur, it was certainly some kind of a slur directed at Travyon. Zimmerman is damned by his own account.
 
2012-03-27 07:16:16 PM  

Callous: Mike Chewbacca: Callous: UseLessHuman: Trevon doesn't have a duty to flee remember, state law. He was pursued by car then on foot, Trevon was justified by the stand your ground law, Zimmerman was not justified by any law. Zimmerman initiated the first contact by way of his actions, and he escalated the altercation with deadly force. You can't explain that.

You except for the part where Zimmerman stopped following him and started walking back to his truck and Martin approached him?

If Trayvon Martin was running away from George Zimmerman, why would Martin confront Zimmerman after he'd finally gotten away from him (Zimmerman)? That makes zero sense. If he'd wanted to confront George Zimmerman, he could have just chosen to not run in the first place.

Why would George Zimmerman just walk up to a 17 year old kid and just blow him away?

People sometimes do stupid things when they get angry or scared.


No, I'm pretty sure the two got into a scuffle, based on numerous eye witness accounts. Trayvon may have even been winning that scuffle, but it's hard to know for sure since Zimmerman outweighed Martin by 80 or so pounds. But you know what? You don't stalk someone and pick a fight with him only to have your ass handed to you and then still get to claim self defense when you kill him.

BTW, why haven't we seen any pictures of George Zimmerman from that night? Everyone says he had a bloody nose and cuts on the back of his head. Where are the pics of that?
 
2012-03-27 07:17:40 PM  

9beers: fark, I just can't do it. People keep posting bullshiat and untruths and I just have to respond.


So what you're saying is that no one should be speculating on what's what since much of the evidence isn't public yet?

Yeah, your statements like "Zimmerman isn't guilty. Get over it." are totally consistent with that.
 
2012-03-27 07:17:59 PM  

Callous: Mike Chewbacca: Callous: bugontherug: Prior to Zimmerman approaching him with a loaded fireram, he might not have been sufficiently alarmed to feel the situation warranted a 911 call. Maybe his girlfriend called just as he was about to dial. Who knows? All available evidence says the adult Zimmerman, carrying a loaded firearm, manifested a dedicated purpose to confront against all advise and protocol. The same evidence says the unarmed minor Travyon, sensibly manifested a desire to avoid confrontation. Zimmerman aggressed. Travyon, after trying to avoid a fight, stood his ground.


You mean other than the evidence that doesn't agree with what you are claiming right?

Even George Zimmerman says he pursued Trayvon Martin. And the 911 dispatcher told him not to, and he did it anyway.

Yes, but he also says he broke it off after losing track of him and headed back to his truck when Martin approached him.

Are you just picking and choosing the parts that you agree with?


The girlfriend says otherwise. Who should we believe, the dude who admits to killing an unarmed black minor neighbor, or the dead kid's girlfriend?
 
2012-03-27 07:18:03 PM  
I just want to note a couple of things:

1) It's pretty impressive to draw a weapon from a concealed holster while another, larger person is right on top of you and then be in a position to fire right into the chest, all while being beaten. (Seriously, ever have someone sit on your chest? If Zimmerman was in that position when he fired, the 9mm would've been right up against his face.)

2) It's even more impressive to shoot a person who is directly on top of you, beating you up in such a way that when you shoot him, he doesn't slump on top of you and get his blood on you.

3) It's even more impressive than that to be able to shoot a person in such a position that the person who is straddling you and beating you in the face would fall in such a way that he would land face-down with his arms underneath him.

Just my two cents.
 
2012-03-27 07:18:05 PM  
Will a conviction of manslaughter prevent rioting be adequate justice?
 
2012-03-27 07:18:42 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: BTW, why haven't we seen any pictures of George Zimmerman from that night? Everyone says he had a bloody nose and cuts on the back of his head. Where are the pics of that?


Why do you need pictures of it? It's in the police report and verified by other officers. Zimmerman also received stitches the following day, would you also like a doctors note before you believe that too?
 
2012-03-27 07:18:56 PM  

Callous: Mike Chewbacca: Callous: bugontherug: Prior to Zimmerman approaching him with a loaded fireram, he might not have been sufficiently alarmed to feel the situation warranted a 911 call. Maybe his girlfriend called just as he was about to dial. Who knows? All available evidence says the adult Zimmerman, carrying a loaded firearm, manifested a dedicated purpose to confront against all advise and protocol. The same evidence says the unarmed minor Travyon, sensibly manifested a desire to avoid confrontation. Zimmerman aggressed. Travyon, after trying to avoid a fight, stood his ground.


You mean other than the evidence that doesn't agree with what you are claiming right?

Even George Zimmerman says he pursued Trayvon Martin. And the 911 dispatcher told him not to, and he did it anyway.

Yes, but he also says he broke it off after losing track of him and headed back to his truck when Martin approached him.

Are you just picking and choosing the parts that you agree with?


No, in this case I'm discounting Zimmerman's statements in his own interest. Statements against his own interest require no corroboration. Statements in his own interest can plausibly be discounted unless corroborated. Zimmerman, carrying a loaded firearm, aggressed by hunting an unarmed minor against advice and protocol. Zimmerman aggressed. Travyon stood his ground.
 
2012-03-27 07:19:05 PM  
You got a problem? Well you do now!"

If anyone believes this shiat I feel sorry for you. This reads like bad dialog from a Steven Segal movie.
 
2012-03-27 07:20:18 PM  

A. Snatchfold: You got a problem? Well you do now!"

This reads like bad dialog from a Steven Segal movie.


That redundant.
 
2012-03-27 07:20:20 PM  

bugontherug: No, in this case I'm discounting Zimmerman's statements in his own interest. Statements against his own interest require no corroboration. Statements in his own interest can plausibly fairly be discounted unless corroborated. Zimmerman, carrying a loaded firearm, aggressed by hunting an unarmed minor against advice and protocol. Zimmerman aggressed. Travyon stood his ground.


Pardon me.
 
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