spongeboob: I alone am best: spongeboob: I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: Besides the fact that the kid obviously came back and attacked Zimmerman. Can a 911 dispatcher issue a lawful order?

What makes that "obvious"?

Because zimmerman tells the 911 dispatcher that he ran then has a conversation with the dispatcher afterwords which wouldn't happen if he was chasing the kid.

Once again there is no way this chunky dude caught that kid.

No way a chunky dude in a car can catch a kid?

Oh so now he runs him down in a car, while the kid just stands there and shoots him. He must have been so afraid that he couldnt run through someones yard because zimmerman was so lightning fast. Got it.

Oh for farking farks sake you said there is no way a chunky dude can catch a kid and I pointed out that the fat pussy was in a car, cars can go faster than people. And somehow you try twist that I said he ran him down in his car.

Ran down is an expression. The fact is he got out of the car to chase him. He didn't just go get back in the car and chase him down.

Even if he did chase him in the car, he could not get out fast enough to get into a physical altercation with a 17 year old who was in shape. Unless the kid approached him.

Bunnyhat: On the night he died, he was watching the NBA All-Star Game with his younger brother. During half time, he left the apartment and walked about a mile to the 7/11 which is located right outside of the neighborhood. He bought skittles for his brother and an ice tea.

Well your wrong, the NBA all star game didn't start until after he was shot.

I alone am best: Even if he did chase him in the car, he could not get out fast enough to get into a physical altercation with a 17 year old who was in shape. Unless the kid approached him.

Unless the kid stood his ground against the adult carrying a loaded firearm who had just hunted him down after being advised not to by the police.

I alone am best: Bunnyhat: On the night he died, he was watching the NBA All-Star Game with his younger brother. During half time, he left the apartment and walked about a mile to the 7/11 which is located right outside of the neighborhood. He bought skittles for his brother and an ice tea.

Well your wrong, the NBA all star game didn't start until after he was shot.

But by all means, continue. The press is making a lovely narrative out of this. Even the President's involved.

I alone am best: Bunnyhat: On the night he died, he was watching the NBA All-Star Game with his younger brother. During half time, he left the apartment and walked about a mile to the 7/11 which is located right outside of the neighborhood. He bought skittles for his brother and an ice tea.

Well your wrong, the NBA all star game didn't start until after he was shot.

He went during halftime dumbass.

Bunnyhat: At one point Trayvon is on top of Zimmerman. This is a fact.

Technically, we do not know that as a fact. One witness claims that have seen that and the police claim another witness corroborated the testimony but the actual witness says the police are misrepresenting their testimony so it is called into question. So we do not have any verifiable facts on the matter.

Thrag: Bunnyhat: At one point Trayvon is on top of Zimmerman. This is a fact.

Technically, we do not know that as a fact. One witness claims that have seen that and the police claim another witness corroborated the testimony but the actual witness says the police are misrepresenting their testimony so it is called into question. So we do not have any verifiable facts on the matter.

I will wager right here and now that Zimmerman ends up on the bottom, eventually.
/catching.
//receiving
///like a goatsee

Mrtraveler01: I alone am best: Bunnyhat: On the night he died, he was watching the NBA All-Star Game with his younger brother. During half time, he left the apartment and walked about a mile to the 7/11 which is located right outside of the neighborhood. He bought skittles for his brother and an ice tea.

Well your wrong, the NBA all star game didn't start until after he was shot.

He went during halftime dumbass.

umm... I don't think that mistake is all that important but he was shot before the game started

bugontherug: I alone am best: Even if he did chase him in the car, he could not get out fast enough to get into a physical altercation with a 17 year old who was in shape. Unless the kid approached him.

Unless the kid stood his ground against the adult carrying a loaded firearm who had just hunted him down after being advised not to by the police.

The kid was running. So, the guy is walking toward the kid he runs. The guy tearing through trying to catch him in his vehicle is when he decides to stand his ground?

Not that either of us know what really happened but that just doesn't sound plausible.

mayIFark: and that is important why? even if martin attacked him first, he was standing his ground. he followed and killed an unarmed kid, end of the story.

There is a group trying to get this prosecuted as a hate crime by the feds, and this plays in to their hands.

The problem is, as the police have stated, the physical evidence backs up Zimmerman, as does the only witness to any part of the actual fight. The other witnesses, who have been used to claim Zimmerman was beating up Martin didn't actually see much at all. They heard someone screaming for help they said was Martin, but when pressed said they didn't know if it was Martin but "sounded young" so they assumed it must have been after finding out a man in his 30's shot a teenager. They didn't actually see anything until after the shooting and, yes, at that point, Zimmerman was the one standing while Martin was on the ground.

Mrtraveler01: I alone am best: Bunnyhat: On the night he died, he was watching the NBA All-Star Game with his younger brother. During half time, he left the apartment and walked about a mile to the 7/11 which is located right outside of the neighborhood. He bought skittles for his brother and an ice tea.

Well your wrong, the NBA all star game didn't start until after he was shot.

He went during halftime dumbass.

NBA All Star games now start with halftime?

KingPsyz: WHAT DOES IT farkING MATTER? HE CHASED DOWN A KID AND SHOT HIM AFTER BEING TOLD BY POLICE TO STAND DOWN DO YOU REALLY EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE HE WAS ALL 'HEY FELLOW CAJUN WHO'S HANGING OUT IN FLORIDA, LET'S HAVE SOME LEMONADE AND SKITTLES' AND FIGURED 'COON ASS' WAS JUST EASIER TO SAY WHILE RUNNING? AND WHEN THE KID DECLINED HE SHOT HIM?


GO fark YOURSELF

So you don't really know the facts of the case. Got it.

redcard: Philip Francis Queeg: redcard: See, this is why I'm bothered.

There's way more than one witness that puts Martin beating up Zimmerman.

And no, actually, there is no evidence that she was on the phone with Martin at the time. The phone company has not released anything to the press and the police have not released any of their records on that. All we have are what she's told the press and the family's multiple press releases.

Oh I guess I missed where the Police released the transcripts of what the other witnesses reported. What's that? They haven't? We only have what they told the press? Huh. Well, they must be more believable somehow, right?

Nobody is believable.

That's my point! Yet, people assume this girlfriend's testimony is "flawless" and that Zimmerman is "lying" and that all the witnesses for him are making stuff up.

This is why we should have a trial, or a grand jury, to sort through these things (oh, and theyare, btw , and he was.. arrested, too.. but why should the press concern itself with facts?)

It's just frustrating being led around by the nose by the press. Somebody should write a book about how the press doesn't give us news anymore.

If they aren't believable, why have you been citing them as fact? Why are you ONLY question the evidence that works against Zimmerman and holding it to a different standard than the evidence that works for him?

George Zimmerman was not and has not been arrested.

"Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense, which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony," the letter, signed by Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr., says. "By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time."

HotWingConspiracy: Shaggy_C: I don't think it change the testimony by both Mr. Zimmerman and eyewitnesses that he was pinned to the ground and screaming for help.

Yeah it sucks starting something then getting your ass kicked. Yelling for help then shooting the guy is kind of puss though.

Puss or not, it's legal in the state of Florida.

Darth_Lukecash: Except what you are asking me to imagine was not the situation.

He was not committing any crime.

A young man was walking to his fathers house. He was carrying skittles and tea.

He was unarmed.

He's now dead. Of a gun wound.

Yet none of that contradicts even what Zimmerman is saying happened.

It may be a shock to you, but Zimmerman being an asshole may well have provoked Martin to commit the battery Zimmerman is claiming, and leading to the shooting, leaving the Police and DA no options because Zimmerman was acting in self defense. Now we do not know that for a fact, but the evidence backs up what Zimmerman is saying.

Shaggy_C: Thrag: Shaggy_C: HotWingConspiracy: That's very convenient for Zimmerman. Also, completely unbelievable. We already know the kid was trying to get away from Fatty. You're asking me to believe that after Zimmerman stopped his doughy pursuit, the kid then steps out to confront him? Pfffffft

See the girlfriend's testimony about the phone call:

Philip Francis Queeg: Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.'

Seems to me that it was Martin that started conversing with Zimmerman. If it had been the other way around, wouldn't it have been Zimmerman yelling "you, stop!" or something to that affect? That Martin called out to Z first would corroborate Zimmerman's story.

No it absolutely would not cooroborate Zimmerman's story since Zimmerman's story is completely different. Zimmerman claims a completely different conversation happened. The girl's testimony directly contradicts Zimmerman's.

Here's how it goes according to Zimmerman:

Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.

Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police.

Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose.

Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.


Let's replace the "exchanged words" portion with the girlfriend's phone message, and go along with what is the story Zimmerman has given:

Zimmerman is poking around looking for Martin.
Martin steps out and asks "What are you following me for?"
Zimmerman asks "What are you doing here?"
(The phone is hung up at this point, and the girlfriend starts trying to call back.. The two continue arguing.)
Martin asks "You got a problem? Well you do now!"
Zimmerman is punched in the face and ends up on the ground with Martin on t ...

You skipped the fact that the girlfriend heard the physical altercation start prior to the phone being cut off.

jafiwam: Mrtraveler01: I alone am best: Bunnyhat: On the night he died, he was watching the NBA All-Star Game with his younger brother. During half time, he left the apartment and walked about a mile to the 7/11 which is located right outside of the neighborhood. He bought skittles for his brother and an ice tea.

Well your wrong, the NBA all star game didn't start until after he was shot.

He went during halftime dumbass.

NBA All Star games now start with halftime?

My bad.

TravisBickle62: This text is now purple: HotWingConspiracy: Something tells me a guy named Zimmerman finds it easy to identify as white.

The last time the US got in an uproar about a Zimmerman and a Hispanic, we invaded Germany.

Yeah but only after they bombed Pearl Harbor ... so it wasn't so much an invasion as a retaliation.

That was because they were searching for the one ring that would rule them all.

Mrtraveler01: I alone am best: Bunnyhat: On the night he died, he was watching the NBA All-Star Game with his younger brother. During half time, he left the apartment and walked about a mile to the 7/11 which is located right outside of the neighborhood. He bought skittles for his brother and an ice tea.

Well your wrong, the NBA all star game didn't start until after he was shot.

He went during halftime dumbass.

You're a moron and you don't know what you're talking about. Zimmerman called and reported treyvon at 7:09 and the All star game didn't start until 7:30.

You don't know anything about the case yet you want to declare Zimmerman guilty. Way to go bro.

As the son of a coon ass, the one thing you need to know about Coon asses is you don't call Coonasses a coon ass unless you're a coon ass.

/No, you right.

Mrtraveler01: jafiwam: Mrtraveler01: I alone am best: Bunnyhat: On the night he died, he was watching the NBA All-Star Game with his younger brother. During half time, he left the apartment and walked about a mile to the 7/11 which is located right outside of the neighborhood. He bought skittles for his brother and an ice tea.

Well your wrong, the NBA all star game didn't start until after he was shot.

He went during halftime dumbass.

NBA All Star games now start with halftime?

My bad.

still an irrelevant quibble. Weird embellishment though

Mrtraveler01: jafiwam: Mrtraveler01: I alone am best: Bunnyhat: On the night he died, he was watching the NBA All-Star Game with his younger brother. During half time, he left the apartment and walked about a mile to the 7/11 which is located right outside of the neighborhood. He bought skittles for his brother and an ice tea.

Well your wrong, the NBA all star game didn't start until after he was shot.

He went during halftime dumbass.

NBA All Star games now start with halftime?

My bad.

Sorta shows how credible you are donnit?

Philip Francis Queeg: You skipped the fact that the girlfriend heard the physical altercation start prior to the phone being cut off.

How can you "hear" a physical altercation over the phone?

Shaggy_C: Zimmerman is poking around looking for Martin.
Martin steps out and asks "What are you following me for?"
Zimmerman asks "What are you doing here?"
(The phone is hung up at this point, and the girlfriend starts trying to call back.. The two continue arguing.)
Martin asks "You got a problem? Well you do now!"
Zimmerman is punched in the face and ends up on the ground with Martin on top of him.

I don't see her claims being "completely opposite" of Zimmerman's story. The two actually fit pretty well, considering they never went to trial so we don't have visibility to all of the testimony from each of them.

At this point you are just making things up to suit your narrative. Zimmerman does not claim that Martin asked anything other than "You got a problem?". The released information on his statements indicates he claims that "You got a problem?" is the start of the confrontation. Zimmerman does not claim to say "What are you doing here?" he claims to have only said "No". He does not claim that Martin says "Why are you following me?" but that he start in with "You got a problem?". That's why the two testimonies contradict each other. Now you can just make shiat up and try to say that both conversations happened, but that would also contradict what we know of Zimmerman's testimony.

Yodacat: Dead for Tax Reasons: I think there are a few chinks in his armor

The evidence against him is coming up in spades.

this is starting to spook me. giving me the heeb jeebies.

skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: jafiwam: Mrtraveler01: I alone am best: Bunnyhat: On the night he died, he was watching the NBA All-Star Game with his younger brother. During half time, he left the apartment and walked about a mile to the 7/11 which is located right outside of the neighborhood. He bought skittles for his brother and an ice tea.

Well your wrong, the NBA all star game didn't start until after he was shot.

He went during halftime dumbass.

NBA All Star games now start with halftime?

My bad.

still an irrelevant quibble. Weird embellishment though

The entire "narrative" is a lie. See, the thing is, when you put enough lies together not all of them get caught, then they stick around longer.

Allen. The end.: tenpoundsofcheese: RINO, Dem, same thing. Take you pathetic racism and homophobia and go back to your KKK meeting.

Thanks! ALthough under the sheets we're all wearing stockings.

Anyway, dicks, thanks for making this into YET ANOTHER GODDAMN Trayvan (Pat.Pend.) thread instead allowing me go off on how cool it is that I am...in fact...Creole! You crazy coon-asses can have it!

Do you hunt alligators?

Thrag: Now you can just make shiat up and try to say that both conversations happened, but that would also contradict what we know of Zimmerman's testimony.

Do you actually have Zimmerman's complete testimony? Cos what I've seen says that Martin approached him from behind, they exchanged words, ending with "Do you have a problem". That "exchanged words" hasn't been defined in any of the articles I've read about the case. You're the one inventing things by making "Do you have a problem" the first thing Zimmerman claims the kid said.

Shaggy_C: Philip Francis Queeg: You skipped the fact that the girlfriend heard the physical altercation start prior to the phone being cut off.

How can you "hear" a physical altercation over the phone?

That's what it's called when the initial lie "heard Zimmerman push Martin" was questioned. This is from a statement released by the Martin's lawyer, three weeks after the shooting, to a gal, that DIDNT call the police about it but called the Martin's about it.

Anything she says beyond "had a phone call with Martin" is most likely a lie, and since we haven't seen the actual phone records yet, the call itself could be a lie.

This text is now purple: 2.5 percent of the American black population

I think it's more like 97%.

Black males continue to be incarcerated at an extraordinary rate. Black males make up 35.4 percent of the jail and prison population - even though they make up less than 10 percent of the overall U.S population. Four percent of U.S. black males were in jail or prison last year, compared to 1.7 percent of Hispanic males and .7 percent of white males. In other words, black males were locked up at almost six times the rate of their white counterparts.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5009270&page=1#.T3JCDtnLP3E

/I hate math. And coon asses.

I alone am best: You don't know anything about the case yet you want to declare Zimmerman guilty. Way to go bro.

No. We don't know enough about the case and think that it should be fully investigated.
An unarmed teenager was murdered, and the police did nothing. That is why I'm pissed.

i used to date a coonass.. she told me a coonass is someone with true south louisiana lineage. not many people outside that area know that - and certainly not some paranoid neighborhood watch guy in orlando. it has absolutely nothing to do with race or skin color.

jafiwam: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: jafiwam: Mrtraveler01: I alone am best: Bunnyhat: On the night he died, he was watching the NBA All-Star Game with his younger brother. During half time, he left the apartment and walked about a mile to the 7/11 which is located right outside of the neighborhood. He bought skittles for his brother and an ice tea.

Well your wrong, the NBA all star game didn't start until after he was shot.

He went during halftime dumbass.

NBA All Star games now start with halftime?

My bad.

still an irrelevant quibble. Weird embellishment though

The entire "narrative" is a lie. See, the thing is, when you put enough lies together not all of them get caught, then they stick around longer.

An irrelevant misstatement of a fact does not disprove or prove anything

I alone am best: Mrtraveler01: I alone am best: Bunnyhat: On the night he died, he was watching the NBA All-Star Game with his younger brother. During half time, he left the apartment and walked about a mile to the 7/11 which is located right outside of the neighborhood. He bought skittles for his brother and an ice tea.

Well your wrong, the NBA all star game didn't start until after he was shot.

He went during halftime dumbass.

You're a moron and you don't know what you're talking about. Zimmerman called and reported treyvon at 7:09 and the All star game didn't start until 7:30.

You don't know anything about the case yet you want to declare Zimmerman guilty. Way to go bro.

Remember, at this point, facts are irrelevant and easily dismissed. The important thing to remember is that here was a sweet innocent young black kid with Skittles - SKITTLES - and he was hunted down by an evil white racist who the cops and DA are covering for because they are evil white racists too.

/never swung at a bus driver

I alone am best: Allen. The end.: tenpoundsofcheese: RINO, Dem, same thing. Take you pathetic racism and homophobia and go back to your KKK meeting.

Thanks! ALthough under the sheets we're all wearing stockings.

Anyway, dicks, thanks for making this into YET ANOTHER GODDAMN Trayvan (Pat.Pend.) thread instead allowing me go off on how cool it is that I am...in fact...Creole! You crazy coon-asses can have it!

Do you hunt choot alligators?

/FTFY

I alone am best: bugontherug: I alone am best: Even if he did chase him in the car, he could not get out fast enough to get into a physical altercation with a 17 year old who was in shape. Unless the kid approached him.

Unless the kid stood his ground against the adult carrying a loaded firearm who had just hunted him down after being advised not to by the police.

The kid was running. So, the guy is walking toward the kid he runs. The guy tearing through trying to catch him in his vehicle is when he decides to stand his ground?

Not that either of us know what really happened but that just doesn't sound plausible.

Which is why we have to infer what happened based on the totality of the evidence. Zimmerman himself stated he was hunting Travyon, and that Travyon ran away. After being advised by police to cease hunting Travyon, Zimmerman continued to hunt Travyon while carrying a loaded firearm.

Zimmerman manifested a dedicated purpose to confront, whereas by Zimmerman's own account, Travyoin manifested an unwillingness to confront.

Further increasing the inference of Travyon's unwillingness to confront, and undermining the claim that Travyon was running at the time Zimmerman approached him (not before the 911 call, but after), Travyon's girlfriend stated that Travyon was concerned about the adult who was hunting him down. She advised him to run away, but he declined, and continued to walk.

Zimmerman indicated a dedicated purpose to confront against police advice, and against the Neighborhood Watch program's own protocols. Travyon indicated a desire to avoid confrontation by running and then walking away. Because Travyon was walking after the 911 call, even the corpulent Zimmerman could catch up with him with a light jog.

jafiwam: Anything she says beyond "had a phone call with Martin" is most likely a lie, and since we haven't seen the actual phone records yet, the call itself could be a lie.

Guess Zimmerman should get a fair trial so we can find out, eh?

Yeah, and, for the record:

...if you approach me from behind after following me for awhile, i will find your actions to be hostile, and in your state, i will stand my ground and execute you? seriously?

this is the world?

bah and boo.

let's make a better tomorrow, okay?

thank you.

;)

bugontherug: I alone am best: bugontherug: I alone am best: Even if he did chase him in the car, he could not get out fast enough to get into a physical altercation with a 17 year old who was in shape. Unless the kid approached him.

Unless the kid stood his ground against the adult carrying a loaded firearm who had just hunted him down after being advised not to by the police.

The kid was running. So, the guy is walking toward the kid he runs. The guy tearing through trying to catch him in his vehicle is when he decides to stand his ground?

Not that either of us know what really happened but that just doesn't sound plausible.

Which is why we have to infer what happened based on the totality of the evidence. Zimmerman himself stated he was hunting Travyon, and that Travyon ran away. After being advised by police to cease hunting Travyon, Zimmerman continued to hunt Travyon while carrying a loaded firearm.

Zimmerman manifested a dedicated purpose to confront, whereas by Zimmerman's own account, Travyoin manifested an unwillingness to confront.

Further increasing the inference of Travyon's unwillingness to confront, and undermining the claim that Travyon was running at the time Zimmerman approached him (not before the 911 call, but after), Travyon's girlfriend stated that Travyon was concerned about the adult who was hunting him down. She advised him to run away, but he declined, and continued to walk.

Zimmerman indicated a dedicated purpose to confront against police advice, and against the Neighborhood Watch program's own protocols. Travyon indicated a desire to avoid confrontation by running and then walking away. Because Travyon was walking after the 911 call, even the corpulent Zimmerman could catch up with him with a light jog.

In short, Zimmerman aggressed. Travyon stood his ground.

Without Fail: I alone am best: You don't know anything about the case yet you want to declare Zimmerman guilty. Way to go bro.

No. We don't know enough about the case and think that it should be fully investigated.
An unarmed teenager was murdered, and the police did nothing. That is why I'm pissed.

Then stop using the word murdered. That implies Zimmerman is guilty and was not acting in self defense. When you dont know if he was or was not.

Without Fail: I alone am best: You don't know anything about the case yet you want to declare Zimmerman guilty. Way to go bro.

No. We don't know enough about the case and think that it should be fully investigated.
An unarmed teenager was murdered, and the police did nothing. That is why I'm pissed.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. A lot of people a lot smarter than you are working on the case, and no arrest has been made.

The investigation is ongoing.

You, you are just upset because no lynching happened or riots happened yet.

Shaggy_C: Thrag: Now you can just make shiat up and try to say that both conversations happened, but that would also contradict what we know of Zimmerman's testimony.

Do you actually have Zimmerman's complete testimony? Cos what I've seen says that Martin approached him from behind, they exchanged words, ending with "Do you have a problem". That "exchanged words" hasn't been defined in any of the articles I've read about the case. You're the one inventing things by making "Do you have a problem" the first thing Zimmerman claims the kid said.

I am going only by what has been released to the press about Zimmerman's statements. The statements released indicate an exchange consisting of "You have a problem?" "No." "You do now." and nothing more. There is no mention at all of an exchange like "Why are you following me?" "What are you doing here?" .

In the call the girl claims she hears the sounds of a scuffle and the call is cut off right after Zimmerman says "What are you doing here?". Zimmerman claims that right after Martin says "You do now." he is punched. Those claims also contradict each other.

Is is simply insane to claim that the two different accounts corroborate rather than contradict each other.

Scerpes: As Scerpes or DavidVincent?

Sorry, but that's not my alt.

So you do have an alt then? As a member of the Florida Bar, sure you know not to answer a different question than the one you were asked.

Story is pretty simple: Zimmerman is a murderer.

The buts and whats and maybes don't really change the fact that he went looking for a fight and at the end of that fight he'd killed someone.

Shaggy_C: Philip Francis Queeg: You skipped the fact that the girlfriend heard the physical altercation start prior to the phone being cut off.

How can you "hear" a physical altercation over the phone?

Because physical altercations cause vibrations in the air that are commonly referred to as "sound". Was this really a serious question?