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2012-03-27 06:07:14 PM

namegoeshere: lennavan: Mavent: ...it makes me so incredibly sad to think that 20% of pharmacists had no idea what the law is sat there thinking "You know what would make God happy? If I farked up the rest of this girl's life by lying about a legal drug that she's legally requesting."

Me too.

If that is the case, why was the correct information given to the physicians, but not the teens?


Because the pharmacists thought you needed a prescription.

What did I win?
 
2012-03-27 06:07:19 PM

FitzShivering: I wasn't aware pharmacists were performing research behind the counter as well. I always thought it was MDs and PhDs working with chemists and whatnot. Silly me.

Which, immediately, shows your ignorance. A great many pharmacists do this. Contrary to what you imply above, a pharmacy degree is a real doctorate, just like the MD and PhD. And most pharmacists have a better chemical education than any MD you'll ever deal with.


And those research scientists aren't filling prescriptions behind a counter while they await their lab tests - was his point.
 
2012-03-27 06:07:47 PM
And those researchers lied to 100% of the pharmacies they visited by posing as 17 year olds. The circle of deceit is complete.
 
2012-03-27 06:08:48 PM

lennavan: Mavent: ...it makes me so incredibly sad to think that 20% of pharmacists had no idea what the law is sat there thinking "You know what would make God happy? If I farked up the rest of this girl's life by lying about a legal drug that she's legally requesting."

Me too.


If a pharmacist is ignorant of the law, what drug should they be willing to sell to people?
 
2012-03-27 06:09:09 PM

Crotchrocket Slim:

Ever see a doctor's handwriting? Ever wonder how many data entry errors happen at hospitals now on a daily basis?


There is hard data on this. More people die from this every year than from a great many things that we see in the news constantly. There's an entire movement to push it entirely electronically. There are some very neat devices out there that doctors can use to avoid having to write anything at all, and quite a few hospitals have implemented them.

This doesn't include the number of people killed each year by doctors' mistakes.

If you add in nurse and pharmacists' mistakes, which are less, you get a bigger number.

People are often shocked to find that the medical industry is the largest killer of human beings in the United States on an annualized basis. Even adjusting out the "people who were probably going to die anyway." I'm not calling for their prosecution; they have immensely hard jobs, and are often in no-win situations, but the sloppiness all the way to the top level is horrific, and well documented.

But, we prefer to get outraged because someone died while texting on their cell phones, so we'll never really address that our entire medical system is horribly screwed up, from the schooling to the retirement stage. On the plus side, every person in medicine I know personally is the first to admit this, and it makes them incredibly angry. But supersystems are prefixed super for a reason.
 
2012-03-27 06:10:51 PM

lennavan: namegoeshere: lennavan: Mavent: ...it makes me so incredibly sad to think that 20% of pharmacists had no idea what the law is sat there thinking "You know what would make God happy? If I farked up the rest of this girl's life by lying about a legal drug that she's legally requesting."

Me too.

If that is the case, why was the correct information given to the physicians, but not the teens?

Because the pharmacists thought you needed a prescription.

What did I win?

Four in five callers were told the pharmacy had emergency contraception in stock. However, 19 percent of 17-year-old callers were told that they could not obtain emergency contraception under any circumstances, while 3 percent of physicians were told their 17-year-old patient could not obtain it.


You win nothing, because you are wrong.
 
2012-03-27 06:11:07 PM

impaler: FitzShivering: I wasn't aware pharmacists were performing research behind the counter as well. I always thought it was MDs and PhDs working with chemists and whatnot. Silly me.

Which, immediately, shows your ignorance. A great many pharmacists do this. Contrary to what you imply above, a pharmacy degree is a real doctorate, just like the MD and PhD. And most pharmacists have a better chemical education than any MD you'll ever deal with.

And those research scientists aren't filling prescriptions behind a counter while they await their lab tests - was his point.


I would invite you to one of our local pharmacies where, in fact, the person is filling prescriptions at the counter and doing research in his lab. Just as others do in a number of good independents. His awards are impressive, and he is absolutely brilliant.

Either way, his point is peurile, and is a continuation of an ignorant line of logic full of strawmen and non-sequiturs.
 
2012-03-27 06:12:45 PM

Aarontology: actualhuman: Related: The local pharmacy/convenience stores in my hometown would occasionally tell underage girls/guys they weren't allowed to buy condoms either.

Did they really think it would stop the kids from having sex?


I specifically remember this friend of friends who had a willing girl friend but was too scared to buy condoms, so a friend bought him some and he came back the next day asking for the guy to buy him more. Only about 500 of us were in on the secret.
 
2012-03-27 06:13:11 PM
On that note, back to replacing people like Hinten with software.
 
2012-03-27 06:13:47 PM

wholedamnshow: I'm glad some of the other people in this thread were able to point out why Hinten is a complete idiot. After the day I had dealing with the docs and nurses and their lack of knowledge in pharmacology, someone saying I could be replaced with a monkey or robot or whatever is not what I needed.


You're happy that you finally found somebody who could make sense of a difficult subject that was supposed to be understood, managed, and explained to you by people in other professions?
By all means, your doctors and nurses are your enemies and only your and your pharmacists vigilance saved you.
 
2012-03-27 06:14:47 PM

Mavent: Yes, you keep repeating that particular argument, and it continues to be silly.


It's not silly. There is no actual evidence on way or another. This is how science is actually done. You have to actually prove stuff.

Mavent: If a pharmacist is


What you are saying here is you have no idea if the pharmacist is or is not ignorant of the law. Me too. Why on earth do you just assume it's malevolence? Is it because confirmation bias is the best kind of bias? This isn't how we do science.

You know who agrees with me? The farking author of the study:

To clear up the confusion, Wilkinson urged more education of pharmacy staff and said pediatricians and other health care workers must make sure that adolescents know their rights.

Mavent: If a pharmacist is that ignorant of the law, what drug would they be willing to sell to people? The whole point of hiring a pharmacist, as opposed to say, just having a shelf full of drugs, is to stand as an intermediary. If I walk up and ask for 6,000 Oxycontin, the pharmacist is supposed to know if it's legal to sell it to me. That's the pharmacist's job. So, using your logic, why exactly is it that the Day After Pill is the ONE drug that pharmacists are completely ignorant of in terms of who they can sell it too?

It's not a pharmacist's job to lie to people.


Pharmacist pharmacist pharmacist. The pharmacist? Did a pharmacist answer the phone 100% of the time? Do you see how you took a study with data and drew a completely incorrect conclusion from it?

"Researchers spoke to pharmacists, pharmacy technicians or unidentified pharmacy staff."

How often did they speak to pharmacists? How often to "unidentified pharmacy staff?" Are you upset that "unidentified pharmacy staff" might not be familiar with the law?

Can you find a completely plausible explanation as to why 19% of the group including "pharmacists, pharmacy technicians or unidentified pharmacy staff" might not be fully aware of the laws? I can and it's not "19% of pharmacists are douchebags pushing a religious agenda."

Mavent: So, using your logic, why exactly is it that the Day After Pill is the ONE drug that pharmacists are completely ignorant of in terms of who they can sell it too?


Well, first that's just plain not true. Second, even if it were true, which it's not, I don't have to answer it because I can't. The study did not address that question, so to make up answers would be ridiculous. Why they had no idea what the law is has no bearing on whether they knew the law or not.
 
2012-03-27 06:15:13 PM
FitzShivering: lennavan: BronyMedic: Be sure to look me up when a computer can compound TPN and Lipids, mix a dopamine infusion, or conduct pharmaceutical research.

I wasn't aware pharmacists were performing research behind the counter as well. I always thought it was MDs and PhDs working with chemists and whatnot. Silly me.

Which, immediately, shows your ignorance. A great many pharmacists do this. Contrary to what you imply above, a pharmacy degree is a real doctorate, just like the MD and PhD. And most pharmacists have a better chemical education than any MD you'll ever deal with.

Go research. It will help you in the long run to learn about things before you talk about them, so you won't be silly enough to say, "Silly me," after you have said something incredibly silly.


There's a reason I have lennavan on ignore. I dislike willful ignorance, especially when the only thing you have left to insult is a profession you have a poor grasp of.

hinten: To be fair, it was BronyMedic that was talking negatively about 'neighborhood pill counters'. My position is the the the whole field needs to be disintermediated, no difference of local pharmacists or highly specialized 'big hospital' pharmacists.

First off, no I did not. Now you're accusing me of things I never said.

Secondly, you have no idea how complex a field like pharmacy is if you suggest something like that. Pharmacy is exactly like Medicine in that regard. There is a HUGE need to specialize in post-graduate pharmacy education depending on what environment you work in. An ICU Pharmacist will require specialized knowledge and training beyond that of what the local pharmacist counseling you on your BP medicine has, and will not be trained the same as an ER Pharmacist, or a NICU Pharmacist.
 
2012-03-27 06:16:03 PM

wholedamnshow: I'm glad some of the other people in this thread were able to point out why Hinten is a complete idiot. After the day I had dealing with the docs and nurses and their lack of knowledge in pharmacology, someone saying I could be replaced with a monkey or robot or whatever is not what I needed.


Most people posting on Fark could be replaced by monkeys. In fact, many of them already have been.
 
2012-03-27 06:16:35 PM
hinten: You're happy that you finally found somebody who could make sense of a difficult subject that was supposed to be understood, managed, and explained to you by people in other professions?
By all means, your doctors and nurses are your enemies and only your and your pharmacists vigilance saved you.


Dude. Just stop. Just stop posting in this thread.

You're embarrassing yourself. You cannot even differentiate between a medical student and a resident. Just stop.

Put down the keyboard. And step away.
 
2012-03-27 06:16:52 PM

namegoeshere: lennavan: namegoeshere: lennavan: Mavent: ...it makes me so incredibly sad to think that 20% of pharmacists had no idea what the law is sat there thinking "You know what would make God happy? If I farked up the rest of this girl's life by lying about a legal drug that she's legally requesting."

Me too.

If that is the case, why was the correct information given to the physicians, but not the teens?

Because the pharmacists thought you needed a prescription.

What did I win?

Four in five callers were told the pharmacy had emergency contraception in stock. However, 19 percent of 17-year-old callers were told that they could not obtain emergency contraception under any circumstances, while 3 percent of physicians were told their 17-year-old patient could not obtain it.

You win nothing, because you are wrong.


You do know, 19% and 3% are different, right? So that 16% difference there, what exactly do you think accounts for it?
 
2012-03-27 06:18:14 PM

hinten: CornerPocket: As a retired pharmacist, I'm getting a kick out of this thread.
It seems like a poorly constructed study to me, as it's written up in TFA.
Pharmacy clerical and support staff do not have the same level of knowledge and training as an R.Ph., and for this study to group all pharmacy personnel together (as it sounds like was done) seems improper to me.
As far as pharmacists being replaced by trained monkeys, I doubt if you would want that. We do add to the value chain, but it's difficult to quantify. Sadly, many folks out there cannot understand how to take their meds properly, and they can't get an MD on the phone to go over it with them. I used to do a lot of counseling to older and less literate people about which pills do what, since they always dumped all their meds into one vial. A colleague of mine definitely saved an old guy's life when the man confused two different cardiac drugs that were on completely different dosing schedules. Trained monkey won't catch that, nor will a machine. There are plenty of people out there who can get along without any real clinical input from their pharmacist, but it's preferable to have it available for those who cannot.

And here is my favorite argument: "You really need me and my job because those other people (actual medical doctors) are not doing THEIR jobs."

Tell me, how does it feel having dedicated your life and your career to something that is basically checking on potential errors of the work of others? Fullfilling?
Congratulations, you have dedicated your life to quality control the original work of others but haven't added any value yourself.


As somebody who had taught pharmacology to med students at a top tier med school, I find it fascinating how many people think MDs are experts on drugs. They are not. They have too much else to worry about. Pharmacists are experts on drugs, and as expert on drug interactions as anybody. Mind you, you shouldn't trust them either but I'd rather trust a pharmacist than an MD when it comes to drugs.
 
2012-03-27 06:18:49 PM

FitzShivering: Which, immediately, shows your ignorance. A great many pharmacists do this. Contrary to what you imply above, a pharmacy degree is a real doctorate, just like the MD and PhD. And most pharmacists have a better chemical education than any MD you'll ever deal with.


I would answer you but a much kinder version was written by someone else -

impaler: And those research scientists aren't filling prescriptions behind a counter while they await their lab tests - was his point.

 
2012-03-27 06:21:40 PM
cman: This wouldnt be a problem if you would only put it up her pooper

Anal sex is the smart choice, yes.
 
2012-03-27 06:22:20 PM

Mavent: Joafu: There is a right to refuse filling a prescription, just as there is a right to refuse giving medical treatment as long as it isn't a life-saving emergency:

There is not, however, a "right to lie about medical issues, just because you're a douchebag." If the farktard behind the counter doesn't want to sell someone a particular pill, fine. But to tell them that "it's not legal to sell this to you", when in fact it IS, is just stupid, wrong, and indicative of everything that's wrong with Conservatives.


You know, I hate being pigeonholed. Just because I think being conservative is LESS BAD than being liberal, doesn't mean all people who vote one way are liars. Remember, the few bad apples ruin it for the many good people.

PS, I know a few pharmacists who slave their days away with caring for hypochondriacs constantly asking questions about side effects and drugs and diseases, among many other things. Plus, they have to pay attention to a trillion details or they could accidentally give you a drug that interferes with another drug and kill you. They are more than trained monkeys. Again, the few ruin it for the masses and most pharmacists just don't want to be sued by parents for selling their minor something that could potentially hurt their precious snowflake.

/my two cents
//works in insurance claims, ever so glad not to have to deal with people
 
2012-03-27 06:24:40 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Every farkin' unwanted newborn - yes, they happen - should be deposited on the home doorstep of the nearest moralizing fundamentalist Republican busybody, with a note attached to the cardboard box: "Here, I believe this is yours."


Wouldn't that constitute child abuse, though?

Maybe we could just make them legally responsible for child care payments.
 
2012-03-27 06:28:11 PM

Joafu: There is a right to refuse filling a prescription, just as there is a right to refuse giving medical treatment as long as it isn't a life-saving emergency:


Yeah, it's called "the right to resign."

Do your damn job or GTFO.
 
2012-03-27 06:30:31 PM

lennavan: Here is a picture of the genetic makeup of a cancer from a human:


Is the "immortal" cell line from Henrietta Lacs like that? They use those cells for all sorts of research as if they were human cells, but it seems like that would be a mistake.
 
2012-03-27 06:31:49 PM

gerrymander: Watch in amazement! as all the people who routinely decry James O'Keefe's support a "study" that uses the same techniques O'Keefe uses!

/"We pretended to be someone we weren't for the sake of embarrassing our political opponents."
//"It's different when we do it."
///"Because we do 'studies'. "


Now I remember why I had you farkied as "dishonest"
 
2012-03-27 06:32:59 PM

BronyMedic: hinten: You're happy that you finally found somebody who could make sense of a difficult subject that was supposed to be understood, managed, and explained to you by people in other professions?
By all means, your doctors and nurses are your enemies and only your and your pharmacists vigilance saved you.

Dude. Just stop. Just stop posting in this thread.

You're embarrassing yourself. You cannot even differentiate between a medical student and a resident. Just stop.

Put down the keyboard. And step away.


A simple cntrl+F would show that, of course, nothing like that ever happened in this thread. I'm, in a way, very sorry that you feel like I insulted your pharmacist father directly. I really didn't mean to. I was simply talking about the profession in general.
But, by all means, keep entertaining us (dance for us), that's why we come to Fark after all.
 
2012-03-27 06:33:27 PM
Don't worry guys, as soon as we get a good Republican in office, that total will be 100%, and it won't be "lying", it'll be called 'Telling the Santorum side of the story'...
 
2012-03-27 06:35:37 PM
I did my part for this Sting operation... To keep things honest, someone had to make sure all the girls really WERE in need of the Morning After Pill...


/Man, the things you do for your country...
 
2012-03-27 06:36:14 PM
hinten: A simple cntrl+F would show that, of course, nothing like that ever happened in this thread. I'm, in a way, very sorry that you feel like I insulted your pharmacist father directly. I really didn't mean to. I was simply talking about the profession in general.
But, by all means, keep entertaining us (dance for us), that's why we come to Fark after all.


Are you confusing me with someone? You're not even making sense now with your trolling.
 
2012-03-27 06:36:26 PM

pciszek: lennavan: Here is a picture of the genetic makeup of a cancer from a human:

Is the "immortal" cell line from Henrietta Lacs like that? They use those cells for all sorts of research as if they were human cells, but it seems like that would be a mistake.


Yep. Those are also funny because there have been studies that show while lots of scientists think they are using other cell lines, it's really just HeLa cells that contaminated their stocks long ago. I don't remember the %, it was pretty significant.

If it makes you feel better, it's extremely well understood whatever you conclude in vitro (in cell culture) is not necessarily applicable at all in vivo. And also not all cell lines are equivalent. You might do something first quick and dirty in HeLa cells but then if you're any decent, you'd move to a more primary cell line or an actual living organism (mouse).
 
2012-03-27 06:38:25 PM
WhyteRaven74:

Tigger:


Are people really arguing that if they don't want to sell this one stupid pill that they shouldn't be pharmacists? Like, that's what you really think? Really?

Why that is ridiculous, Part A: Because they have a problem with 0.01 of a profession they should change the entire course of their life? Just because they get a pharmacy degree they are obligated to sell you anything you want or be banned from the profession? Faaaaaark you.

And Part B: So then you must also feel that if people refuse to perform abortions they should not be allowed to be doctors. Because how can anyone call themselves a physician without terminating fetuses? Or how about this: a pharmacists objects to handling the drug that stops the heart during an execution. Oh well, no pharmacy career for them! Tough beans! But let's go one more step just in case you're still too thick to see how thick you are: A Jewish cake decorator refuses to decorate a cake with swastikas (as recently depicted in a primetime cop drama). Well hell, I guess he should have thought of that when he was going to cake decorating school! He can't violate his sacred oath to the cake eating public!

Morans.
 
2012-03-27 06:39:27 PM

cman: This wouldnt be a problem if you would only put it up her pooper


Nah, the Morning After Pill doesn't work that way...
 
2012-03-27 06:40:39 PM

BronyMedic: hinten: A simple cntrl+F would show that, of course, nothing like that ever happened in this thread. I'm, in a way, very sorry that you feel like I insulted your pharmacist father directly. I really didn't mean to. I was simply talking about the profession in general.
But, by all means, keep entertaining us (dance for us), that's why we come to Fark after all.

Are you confusing me with someone? You're not even making sense now with your trolling.


I think he has a crush on you. He's fixated, obsessed.

Oh, yeah. He's crushing hard. Try to let him down easy, k? He's barely clinging to his sanity as it is. Being spurned by you again might perilously loosen that tenuous grasp.
 
2012-03-27 06:41:43 PM

hinten: wholedamnshow: I'm glad some of the other people in this thread were able to point out why Hinten is a complete idiot. After the day I had dealing with the docs and nurses and their lack of knowledge in pharmacology, someone saying I could be replaced with a monkey or robot or whatever is not what I needed.

You're happy that you finally found somebody who could make sense of a difficult subject that was supposed to be understood, managed, and explained to you by people in other professions?
By all means, your doctors and nurses are your enemies and only your and your pharmacists vigilance saved you.


I'm not going to dignify you with any further responses past this one, as it's clear that you have no idea what a pharmacist, retail or hospital, actually does.

Anyways, this robot thing has been discussed on websites, blogs, with my coworkers, etc. It all sounds great right? Doc sees a patient, goes to his computer and electronically sends prescription to a robot somewhere. This robot, which has every commonly prescribed med in it and probably most uncommonly prescribed meds in it, receives said prescription, fills it, labels it, and bottles it up. You also get a neat little handout explaining side effects, interactions, how to take it, etc. The robot can probably handle billing too. The human interaction part gets completely removed. No waiting in line. No dealing with a grumpy tech or pharmacist. The whole process is probably finished by the time you arrive at said robot/kiosk machine thing.

Here's where the problem lies. A machine can't look at a prescription and say "does this make sense?" This is where you need the human element. When the doc goes to select a drug, let's say "hydralazine," and he accidentally selects "hydroxyzine" or hell, even "hydroxychloroquine" how can the robot catch that? How can the robot determine whether or not the prescribed drug is correct? Or how about when a patient gets his Depakote, his label says "delayed release" when he normally gets "extended release"? How can the machine catch that? Maybe it can look at his drug history but that acknowledge that the patient can be on a new therapy. What if a drug that isn't covered is prescribed, who is going to discuss with the doc on an alternative drug? Not the damn robot.

I can think of a dozen more instances like these where you need a human to figure out what to do.
 
2012-03-27 06:42:13 PM
FTA: Four in five callers were told the pharmacy had emergency contraception in stock. However, 19 percent of 17-year-old callers were told that they could not obtain emergency contraception under any circumstances, while 3 percent of physicians were told their 17-year-old patient could not obtain it.

Dr. Whoof: Hanlon's Razor:
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.


I love Hanlon's Razor. I posted it in a thread yesterday. But when group A tells 19% of group B misinformation, but only 3% of group C the same misinformation, I don't think that stupidity adequately explains this phenomenon.
 
2012-03-27 06:42:39 PM

Dinkledort: WhyteRaven74:

Tigger:

Are people really arguing that if they don't want to sell this one stupid pill that they shouldn't be pharmacists? Like, that's what you really think? Really?

Why that is ridiculous, Part A: Because they have a problem with 0.01 of a profession they should change the entire course of their life? Just because they get a pharmacy degree they are obligated to sell you anything you want or be banned from the profession? Faaaaaark you.

And Part B: So then you must also feel that if people refuse to perform abortions they should not be allowed to be doctors. Because how can anyone call themselves a physician without terminating fetuses? Or how about this: a pharmacists objects to handling the drug that stops the heart during an execution. Oh well, no pharmacy career for them! Tough beans! But let's go one more step just in case you're still too thick to see how thick you are: A Jewish cake decorator refuses to decorate a cake with swastikas (as recently depicted in a primetime cop drama). Well hell, I guess he should have thought of that when he was going to cake decorating school! He can't violate his sacred oath to the cake eating public!

Morans.


Of course.

I've outlined very clearly for you why.

Your example proves how badly you have missed the point. Cake decoration is something one can get good at with no benefit from externalities. Pharmacology has massive elements of a public good vs the private good that is cake selling.

If you don't know what these words mean you probably shouldn't be talking about this btw.
 
2012-03-27 06:43:07 PM
Maybe the problem here is that in modern culture, the consumer doesn't see a pharmacist as a trained medical expert, but rather a run-of-the-mill retail worker with some special expertise. Like how there's only a couple guys at the supermarket who are trained on how to work the slicer behind the deli counter.

It's a vastly different perception of expertise than existed at the neighborhood chemists' shops of 100 or even 50 years ago.

Of course, pharmacists who won't or can't give accurate advice about controlled but entirely legal abortifacients are hurting the industry's reputation, not helping it.
 
2012-03-27 06:43:35 PM
These whores need their pills!
 
2012-03-27 06:43:43 PM
MadAzza: BronyMedic: hinten: A simple cntrl+F would show that, of course, nothing like that ever happened in this thread. I'm, in a way, very sorry that you feel like I insulted your pharmacist father directly. I really didn't mean to. I was simply talking about the profession in general.
But, by all means, keep entertaining us (dance for us), that's why we come to Fark after all.

Are you confusing me with someone? You're not even making sense now with your trolling.

I think he has a crush on you. He's fixated, obsessed.

Oh, yeah. He's crushing hard. Try to let him down easy, k? He's barely clinging to his sanity as it is. Being spurned by you again might perilously loosen that tenuous grasp.


I know, right. First he has me confused with someone who "has a pharmacist father", then he seems to assume I'm "dancing". I think he may need professional help. This whole looking like a horse's ass thing he's doing is just a cry for help.

/It's, honestly, like watching a three year old trying to have an argument with a grown-up over why he can't play with the big kid toys.
 
2012-03-27 06:46:36 PM

lennavan: Because the pharmacists thought you needed a prescription.

What did I win?



Yeah, it's not like Pharmacists have to go to school or know the law or anything... They're just glorified Soda Counters from the 50's anyway, they just need to know how to make a good Lime Rickey, the drugs are really just a secondary concern.
 
2012-03-27 06:46:46 PM
i.imgur.com
"He told me he would stick it in my pooper"
 
2012-03-27 06:47:55 PM

schivvers: Would you be this outraged if a doctor refused to write the prescription?


Abso-farking-LUTEly I would be this outraged. I would yank that doctor's license so fast his head would spin. His grandfather's head would spin. There would be a space-time rift and the Earth would divide by zero.

This is assuming, of course, in both cases that the reason for the refusal is because of "morality" rather than the best medical interest of the patient.

schivvers: If they have the right to refuse to write, the pharmacist has the right to refuse to fill.


Well, they don't, so they don't. Problem solved.
 
2012-03-27 06:50:54 PM
schivvers: Should people be lied to?
No.


EWreckedSean: Unfortunately there is a reality that pharmacists have gotten in trouble for being honest about it.


Unfortunately there is a reality that murderers have gotten in trouble for being honest about it.
 
2012-03-27 06:51:54 PM
Although the drug can be taken up to five days after unprotected sex, it becomes less effective the longer women wait. For every 12-hour delay in taking the first dose, the odds of pregnancy increase by 50 percent, according to background information in the study.

So why can you take it 5 days after, you'd be 500% pregnant by then.
 
2012-03-27 06:52:20 PM

FitzShivering: People are often shocked to find that the medical industry is the largest killer of human beings in the United States on an annualized basis. Even adjusting out the "people who were probably going to die anyway." I'm not calling for their prosecution; they have immensely hard jobs, and are often in no-win situations, but the sloppiness all the way to the top level is horrific, and well documented.


It's not just "sloppiness", it's this bullshiat where Drs in the hospitals work 36 hour shifts. Absolutely ridiculous, I don't care if they DO have a little room to sleep in, these people should not be working more than 8 hours in a day(Unless an emergency arises), if they are going to have people's lives in their hands... Hell, even outside of hospitals. My brother in law is going thru nursing school, working at an extended care facility, and they will have him work a double on Friday night(2 pm until 6 am), give him exactly 8 hours, and he'll turn around and work another shift, sometimes another double... That 8 hours includes the drive home and back, any needed wind down time, time to eat, and then get showered and ready for work again.
 
2012-03-27 06:54:42 PM

Mikey1969: FitzShivering: People are often shocked to find that the medical industry is the largest killer of human beings in the United States on an annualized basis. Even adjusting out the "people who were probably going to die anyway." I'm not calling for their prosecution; they have immensely hard jobs, and are often in no-win situations, but the sloppiness all the way to the top level is horrific, and well documented.

It's not just "sloppiness", it's this bullshiat where Drs in the hospitals work 36 hour shifts. Absolutely ridiculous, I don't care if they DO have a little room to sleep in, these people should not be working more than 8 hours in a day(Unless an emergency arises), if they are going to have people's lives in their hands... Hell, even outside of hospitals. My brother in law is going thru nursing school, working at an extended care facility, and they will have him work a double on Friday night(2 pm until 6 am), give him exactly 8 hours, and he'll turn around and work another shift, sometimes another double... That 8 hours includes the drive home and back, any needed wind down time, time to eat, and then get showered and ready for work again.


There's 150 years of data demonstrating that when people consistently work over 40 hours a week it massively increases the chances of a catastrophic error often with a minimal increase in productivity.

So yeah you can add this to the list of "things we farking figured out ages ago but are having to have a debate about all over again because of farking tards".

We'll have to explain to people that the earth is round before 2025.
 
2012-03-27 06:55:26 PM

ciberido: cman: This wouldnt be a problem if you would only put it up her pooper

Anal sex is the smart choice, yes.


+1

Dude, nice find, that was awesome!
 
2012-03-27 06:56:52 PM

Krieghund: "He told me he would stick it in my pooper"


"... so I said, 'The hell you are,' and found someone who knows how to f*ck a woman. Then I introduced him to another gay guy I know. So it all worked out."
 
2012-03-27 06:56:53 PM

Dinkledort: Or I could assume the far more likely scenario that they choose not to because they object to it for religious reasons (which is their right) [...]


The. Fark. It. Is.

If you have moral reservations about the tasks your job require of you, quit.
Or shut your piehole and do your damn job.
Those are your options.



Dinkledort: [...] and telling the customer they can't sell it is 100 times easier that telling them they won't and getting into a religious/legal debate with each one.


So it's ok to lie because it's "easier." Gotcha.
 
2012-03-27 06:59:26 PM

Mavent: BronyMedic: impaler: A machine won't know about drug interactions.

Unless that machine is a computer hooked up to a database. In which case it could do it in a few milliseconds.

And those machines cost around two million dollars, break down pretty often, and require qualified pharmacists to restock them. Other than that, totally comparable.

Actually, they're free, give blowjobs, and can be run by toddlers.*

*Contains just as many facts as your moronic statement. It's not 1953, dude. Your iPhone could easily do the task described.


You really have no clue. A machine that dispenses a specific dose of medication falls under FDA jurisdiction and to recoup the costs to get it approved would have to sell for several million a piece. Maybe you could psy less, but expect the maintenance contract to be 100k per machine per year.
 
2012-03-27 07:00:02 PM

BronyMedic: Translation: HERP, DERP, DURR, MERP.


Well that's a stretch, . You may not have liked my statement, but it certainly wasn't herp, derp, durr or merp.

AND REGARDING YOUR POST....SEE THAT WASN'T SO FARKING HARD, NOW WAS IT?

tl; dr
 
2012-03-27 07:00:44 PM

gerrymander: Watch in amazement! as all the people who routinely decry James O'Keefe's support a "study" that uses the same techniques O'Keefe uses!

/"We pretended to be someone we weren't for the sake of embarrassing our political opponents."
//"It's different when we do it."
///"Because we do 'studies'. "


Nice try, these people didn't misrepresent the actual RESULTS of their study, that's where O'Keefe loses credibility. I also don't think they tried to set up a CNN reporter in some kind of weird sexpose'...

See the difference?

Of course you don't. Your head is so far up your ass that the world seems permanently tinted brown. That's ok, there are educated people here who can explain the difference if you'd like.
 
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