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(ESPN)   Coachless New Orleans Saints throw a Hail Mary to Bill Parcells   (espn.go.com) divider line 80
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2012-03-27 08:51:38 AM
Hasn't New Orleans been punished enough?
 
2012-03-27 10:32:45 AM
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2012-03-27 11:40:23 AM
I like this move. Parcells is a good choice. He wouldn't be coming in to install a new system or new regime, just oversee it, be the institutional head coach while Carmichael (OC) and Spagnuolo (DC) do their thing without having to worry about being interim head coach. Payton is a Parcells disciple, they have a long, close relationship. This could work, really, and would be the best of all other alternatives. I doubt it will happen, though.
 
2012-03-27 11:46:29 AM

Nabb1: I doubt it will happen, though.


Why is that?
 
2012-03-27 12:57:16 PM

Kurmudgeon: Hasn't New Orleans been punished enough?


Nope.
 
2012-03-27 01:02:14 PM
Eric Mangini probably needs a job... just sayin.
 
2012-03-27 01:02:38 PM
Are there stipulations about Payton having any contact with the team?
 
2012-03-27 01:03:57 PM

Kurmudgeon: Hasn't New Orleans been punished enough?


no
 
2012-03-27 01:04:36 PM
Parcells really wants to be in the Hall of Fame and this would restart his five-year eligibility wait.
 
2012-03-27 01:05:20 PM

Klitch: Kurmudgeon: Hasn't New Orleans been punished enough?

no


/shakes tiny Mardi Gras beads
 
2012-03-27 01:08:19 PM

gilgigamesh: Nabb1: I doubt it will happen, though.

Why is that?


Parcells has already said he doesn't want to coach again.... (new window)
 
2012-03-27 01:09:16 PM

El Brujo: Are there stipulations about Payton having any contact with the team?


Actually, he can keep coaching during the appeal. It'd be an expedited appeal, but if he appeals at the right time (not sure of the 'allowable' time frame on this) he could be in full capacity until the appeal is done.
 
2012-03-27 01:09:35 PM

gilgigamesh: Nabb1: I doubt it will happen, though.

Why is that?


Parcells is a bigger man than I thought if he's willing to just keep a seat warm, and do so on a team with some defined leadership already.
 
2012-03-27 01:13:35 PM

ihatedumbpeople: gilgigamesh: Nabb1: I doubt it will happen, though.

Why is that?

Parcells has already said he doesn't want to coach again.... (new window)


I believe he also said that three teams ago.
 
2012-03-27 01:15:36 PM

ihatedumbpeople: El Brujo: Are there stipulations about Payton having any contact with the team?

Actually, he can keep coaching during the appeal. It'd be an expedited appeal, but if he appeals at the right time (not sure of the 'allowable' time frame on this) he could be in full capacity until the appeal is done.


er...April 2nd is the cutoff apparently (new window)
 
2012-03-27 01:16:37 PM

Galloping Galoshes: ihatedumbpeople: gilgigamesh: Nabb1: I doubt it will happen, though.

Why is that?

Parcells has already said he doesn't want to coach again.... (new window)

I believe he also said that three teams ago.


yeah, but he wasn't 146 years old then. ;-)
 
2012-03-27 01:17:19 PM

ihatedumbpeople: gilgigamesh: Nabb1: I doubt it will happen, though.

Why is that?

Parcells has already said he doesn't want to coach again.... (new window)


Yes, Parcells has been very forthright about his complete lack of desire to have much to do with football from his stint with the Cowboys onwards. He's burnt out, and never really appeared to be fond of coaching the sport since the late 90s.
 
2012-03-27 01:26:01 PM
This is probably being floated because the winter meetings are being held in Palm Beach Gardens, and Parcells lives right up the road here in Jupiter.

It might happen, but probably just a courtesy visit.

/I see Parcells at a local Italian resturaunt around here a lot
//that man can DEVOUR some pasta
 
2012-03-27 01:55:31 PM
ESPN had a cool angle about him coming back.....if he coaches again, he's 71, and then he would have to restart his five year waiting period for Canton. So aside from whether the Saints will be worth coaching (defensive suspensions to be coming any day now), he has to wonder if he wants to restart the waiitng period.

(of course, the NFL would waive the 5 yr window if they really wanted him in but whatever.)
 
2012-03-27 02:04:11 PM
If it happens, would it be possible to pull a Casino and give him a non-head coach job title so the HoF clock doesn't restart?

Food and Beverage Director Bill Parcells patrolling the sidelines in the Superdome sounds quite amusing to me.
 
2012-03-27 02:11:31 PM

robsul82: If it happens, would it be possible to pull a Casino and give him a non-head coach job title so the HoF clock doesn't restart?



im drawing an analogy to how the Pats stole temporarily hired Josh McDaniels for the Denver game....just as that didn't quite seem kosher, it doesn't seem right that the Saints, albeit a team needing a coach, gets to have carte blanche in terms of fidning a coach.

like, i know when a team loses a player for 4 games, they can make roster moves to temproarily address the gap. but it doesn't seem right for the Saints to get dinged for decisions the coach and staff made, and then go hire a new guy. i get that the saints may not have the staff on hand to have someone step up (obviously vitt and spags have been floted but Vitt owes what, 6 games?) but.......i don't know. doesn't quite pass the smell test to go get a new coach.

didn't pass hte smell test when the Pats hired Mcdaniels, this doesn't pass the smell test either.
 
2012-03-27 02:15:31 PM

rickythepenguin: it doesn't seem right that the Saints, albeit a team needing a coach, gets to have carte blanche in terms of fidning a coach.


That's just silly, dude, c'mon. We're still an independent franchise and we're allowed to get whomever as a coach. Goodell should have veto power over our coaching hire for the year and if it's "too good" he should be able to say no? No way.
 
2012-03-27 02:16:05 PM

ihatedumbpeople: ihatedumbpeople: El Brujo: Are there stipulations about Payton having any contact with the team?

Actually, he can keep coaching during the appeal. It'd be an expedited appeal, but if he appeals at the right time (not sure of the 'allowable' time frame on this) he could be in full capacity until the appeal is done.

er...April 2nd is the cutoff apparently (new window)


It's my belief that this suspension won't negatively impact the Saints team much at all.

I will be very surprised if there is a major drop off in the Saints performance this year due to losing this guy as a HC.

The team will be fine. They could just let one of the other coaches on the team hold the reins for the season and they'll be fine. I don't think this is as big of a deal as people make it.
 
2012-03-27 02:19:20 PM
I wonder how Brees would feel about handing the ball off all season long. The Tuna has loved the running game.
 
2012-03-27 02:25:33 PM
How about a return to Marty-ball?
 
2012-03-27 02:28:36 PM
Never gonna happen. An overweight 70 year old man with an ego like his will not risk pushing back his HOF induction 5 more years.

Carmichael called the plays while Payton was out last year, he'll probably do the same this year. Spags is also a product of the Parcells tree, maybe he'll be the interim HC.
 
2012-03-27 02:28:43 PM

rickythepenguin: im drawing an analogy to how the Pats stole temporarily hired Josh McDaniels for the Denver game.


Especially since they let him go right after that game, right?
 
2012-03-27 02:29:29 PM

robsul82: If it happens, would it be possible to pull a Casino and give him a non-head coach job title so the HoF clock doesn't restart?


Oh, look.

/say hi to Marty for me
 
2012-03-27 02:30:48 PM

robsul82: That's just silly, dude, c'mon. We're still an independent franchise and we're allowed to get whomever as a coach. Goodell should have veto power over our coaching hire for the year and if it's "too good" he should be able to say no? No way.



well, i'm not pounding the table, insisting my solution is best. i don't even have a solution.

i'm just saying it seems outside the spirit of a suspension. "YEAH WE ARE SUSPENDING YOUR COACH BECAUSE OF HIS DISSEMBLING AND FAILING TO ADHERE TO THE NFL GUIDELINES......so, assumign your owner can bear the cost, he can negotiate with Parcells, Cowher, Gruden, et al...."
 
2012-03-27 02:33:00 PM

overfienduglar: I wonder how Brees would feel about handing the ball off all season long. The Tuna has loved the running game.


You don't remember Drew Bledsoe setting the record for passing attempts in a season under Parcells? Besides, as I mentioned to robsul yesterday, the Saints could use a little balance on offense like they had in 2009.
 
2012-03-27 02:33:12 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: Oh, look.

/say hi to Marty for me


I will, and I'll say hi to Food and Beverage Director Bill Parcells while I'm at it, lol.

rickythepenguin: i'm just saying it seems outside the spirit of a suspension. "YEAH WE ARE SUSPENDING YOUR COACH BECAUSE OF HIS DISSEMBLING AND FAILING TO ADHERE TO THE NFL GUIDELINES......so, assumign your owner can bear the cost, he can negotiate with Parcells, Cowher, Gruden, et al...."


The spirit and letter of a suspension is "you can't," not "you can't and you can't get anyone good either." That'd just be weird, lol.
 
2012-03-27 02:37:02 PM

rickythepenguin: i'm just saying it seems outside the spirit of a suspension. "YEAH WE ARE SUSPENDING YOUR COACH BECAUSE OF HIS DISSEMBLING AND FAILING TO ADHERE TO THE NFL GUIDELINES......so, assumign your owner can bear the cost, he can negotiate with Parcells, Cowher, Gruden, et al...."


Wait, did the coach get suspended or the franchise? You're confusing the shiat out of me with this.
 
2012-03-27 02:38:56 PM

El Brujo: ihatedumbpeople: ihatedumbpeople: El Brujo: Are there stipulations about Payton having any contact with the team?

Actually, he can keep coaching during the appeal. It'd be an expedited appeal, but if he appeals at the right time (not sure of the 'allowable' time frame on this) he could be in full capacity until the appeal is done.

er...April 2nd is the cutoff apparently (new window)

It's my belief that this suspension won't negatively impact the Saints team much at all.

I will be very surprised if there is a major drop off in the Saints performance this year due to losing this guy as a HC.

The team will be fine. They could just let one of the other coaches on the team hold the reins for the season and they'll be fine. I don't think this is as big of a deal as people make it.


Yah, I'm kind of in the same boat...I don't think there will be a drop-off really. Whomever the HC ends up being, they're just gonna go deep every other play anyway. ;-)
 
2012-03-27 02:38:57 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: Especially since they let him go right after that game, right?



im hazy on the details but i think someone predicted the Pats signing McDaniels in an NFL thread....i kinda recall someone patting themself on the back when that happened.

that's one thing i wonder if the NFL Rules committee will revisit. Peter King said they were going to discus making the OT rules applicable to regular season games, I think something about kickoffs, and one other topic i forget.

im curious if the NFL bars teams from hiring other teams coaches on essentially one week (meaning one game) contracts. ehhh.

/was also shocked, shocked to see Peter King wash belicheck's balls about Spygate being in no way comparable to 'bountygate'. he talleid up the suspensions for Loomis, Payton, and Vitt alone (excluing players, in other words) and it was like, 32 games to 0 and then he's like, "but these are not the same at all"....
 
2012-03-27 02:40:04 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: the Saints could use a little balance on offense like they had in 2009.


Weren't the Saints a Top Five rushing team last year?

What they could have used was Pierre Thomas not having a cart-off bounty on his head.
 
2012-03-27 02:42:39 PM
While I don't care one way or the other, I think it is funny that everybody is talking up the close connection that the two have.

I mean, I'm sure Goodell would love to hear that the new coach talks to the old coach every day. Of course, they would stop instantly upon him being hired and never talk about football again.
 
2012-03-27 02:43:05 PM

Slow To Return: AdmirableSnackbar: the Saints could use a little balance on offense like they had in 2009.

Weren't the Saints a Top Five rushing team last year?


6th, but your point remains valid.
 
2012-03-27 02:43:09 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: overfienduglar: I wonder how Brees would feel about handing the ball off all season long. The Tuna has loved the running game.

You don't remember Drew Bledsoe setting the record for passing attempts in a season under Parcells? Besides, as I mentioned to robsul yesterday, the Saints could use a little balance on offense like they had in 2009.


And like I said, they did have balance last year, they just ran into a buzzsaw in Candlestick that made running the ball impossible.
 
2012-03-27 02:43:15 PM

robsul82: he spirit and letter of a suspension is "you can't," not "you can't and you can't get anyone good either." That'd just be weird, lol.


yeah, like i said i don't have a solution, it just seems dirty pool. *shrug*


Slow To Return: Wait, did the coach get suspended or the franchise? You're confusing the shiat out of me with this.


that's kinda what i'm saying....the coach gets punished but assuming the franchise can bear the cost, they can get whomever they want.

also i wonder how serious payton is about working TV during 2012. he won't be able to discuss potential FA moves, i doubt he's going to be very critical of teams he'll have to coach against, and i don't think Goodell would much appreciate seeing Payton yukking it up with the chucklefarks on either CBS or Fox every sunday. i'm not saying he can't make a living, i'm just saying i wonder if goodell is "encouraging" Sean to limit his options.
 
2012-03-27 02:47:02 PM
Is the coach really necessary? Let the OC run his game and the DC run his game. The waterboy can call timeouts/ decide when to go for it.


//saints agsinst the world 10-6 next year.
 
2012-03-27 02:47:05 PM

rickythepenguin: yeah, like i said i don't have a solution, it just seems dirty pool. *shrug*


It seems like Payton pulling a "classic Parcells," as a Fox Sports writer termed it the other day.

"He blew on his thumb and up came his middle finger, and he did so in a way that is not punishable." (new window)

Love that imagery, lol.
 
2012-03-27 02:48:29 PM

Slow To Return: AdmirableSnackbar: the Saints could use a little balance on offense like they had in 2009.

Weren't the Saints a Top Five rushing team last year?

What they could have used was Pierre Thomas not having a cart-off bounty on his head.


They had good yardage, yes, but they were extremely pass-heavy, much moreso than they were in 2009.
 
2012-03-27 02:49:34 PM

robsul82: And like I said, they did have balance last year, they just ran into a buzzsaw in Candlestick that made running the ball impossible.


And were one insane 4th quarter run (by the 49ers) away from the NFC Championship game.
 
2012-03-27 02:51:36 PM

rickythepenguin: that's kinda what i'm saying....the coach gets punished but assuming the franchise can bear the cost, they can get whomever they want.


How much was Peyton due to make this year? $7-$8 mil? That's a lot of money to spend on a one-and-done coach. They can bear it, I'm sure.
 
2012-03-27 02:58:22 PM

downstairs: robsul82: And like I said, they did have balance last year, they just ran into a buzzsaw in Candlestick that made running the ball impossible.

And were one insane 4th quarter run (by the 49ers) away from the NFC Championship game.


That was the first thing. Then Drew led a second 4th quarter comeback TD drive that everybody would've had to eat shiat on...and THEN Vernon Davis ran down the field in single coverage again all the way into the end zone. *tear*
 
2012-03-27 03:05:12 PM

rickythepenguin: Zulu_as_Kono: Especially since they let him go right after that game, right?


im hazy on the details but i think someone predicted the Pats signing McDaniels in an NFL thread....i kinda recall someone patting themself on the back when that happened.

that's one thing i wonder if the NFL Rules committee will revisit. Peter King said they were going to discus making the OT rules applicable to regular season games, I think something about kickoffs, and one other topic i forget.

im curious if the NFL bars teams from hiring other teams coaches on essentially one week (meaning one game) contracts. ehhh.

/was also shocked, shocked to see Peter King wash belicheck's balls about Spygate being in no way comparable to 'bountygate'. he talleid up the suspensions for Loomis, Payton, and Vitt alone (excluing players, in other words) and it was like, 32 games to 0 and then he's like, "but these are not the same at all"....


Well, they aren't. The taping of opponent's signals was just one step beyond what many other teams were doing at that time (watch closely and you will see the team's third stringers carrying binoculars), and was essentially useless information (as teams change signals frequently). The Pats cooperated with the investigation, issued a mea culpa, and were docked appropriately. It also did not decrease player safety, and it also did not harm any other team.

The Saints, when first investigated, moved to cover up and hinder the initial investigation (indicating they knew it was wrong), purposefully deceived investigators, and then continued to issue bounties at the behest of coaches for two more seasons. The fact that they lied about it and tried to doctor the evidence during the first investigation is probably where most of the punishment comes from.
 
2012-03-27 03:07:36 PM

robsul82: Then Drew led a second 4th quarter comeback TD drive that everybody would've had to eat shiat on...and THEN Vernon Davis ran down the field in single coverage again all the way into the end zone. *tear*



one of the more entertaining platyoff gamed in revemt memory. like old scholl heavyweigtt fights. just trading knokcout blows the whole way. toe to toe, tradin'.

the Donks / Steelers had the amazing finsih but that game seemed a bit of a dog. i mean, yeah, dude his those sick field goals to keen denver in the game, but.....the SFO game was an isntant classci.
 
2012-03-27 03:16:11 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Parcells really wants to be in the Hall of Fame and this would restart his five-year eligibility wait.


Yeah, why exactly did they make that change? It used to be they were eligible immediately upon retirement.

Why he wasn't inducted in 2001 or 2002 is beyond me.
 
2012-03-27 03:24:11 PM

rickythepenguin: robsul82: Then Drew led a second 4th quarter comeback TD drive that everybody would've had to eat shiat on...and THEN Vernon Davis ran down the field in single coverage again all the way into the end zone. *tear*


one of the more entertaining platyoff gamed in revemt memory. like old scholl heavyweigtt fights. just trading knokcout blows the whole way. toe to toe, tradin'.

the Donks / Steelers had the amazing finsih but that game seemed a bit of a dog. i mean, yeah, dude his those sick field goals to keen denver in the game, but.....the SFO game was an isntant classci.


I think your iGouge is set on AutoError.
 
2012-03-27 03:27:59 PM

ZMugg: I think your iGouge is set on AutoError.


was crushing some pringles and typing with 4 fingers.
 
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