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2012-03-26 12:23:40 PM
I'm starting to think that they don't really want Keystone XL to carry oil.

Watch out, Canada!
 
2012-03-26 12:28:03 PM

Headso: BeesNuts: Beyond all that, the market forces driving the price of hay vs the price of pot are very different. Pot's value is generated by its quality. The goal of a grower in that market is to generate the highest quality goods in the smallest area possible. Meanwhile, the goal of a hay producer is to generate the highest *quantity* of goods in the smallest area possible. This drastically alters the supply curve.

I disagree with pretty much your whole post, I'd say the black market aspect is what creates the high cost because it creates scarcity. If you could grow pot anywhere you wouldn't have that scarcity. Also there are different qualities of hay, cow hay and horse hay are of different quality and within horse hay there are levels of quality, timothy hay or hay with a lot of alfalfa is worth more also 2nd or 3rd cutting hay is worth more, 1st cut has winter weeds.


That's cool. Like I said, I don't really have time to go into a ton of detail. But 'the black market' isn't the function driving those costs. If you could grow pot anywhere (you can't, really) then it would still be beholden to an absolute metric assload of competition for land. It's not what generates the most value per pound, when you're talking about farming. It's value per acre. Are you positive that Cannabis generates the highest value per acre in Wyoming? How about in Lancaster? Or Nebraska?

And black market sales eliminate taxes. The cost of items on the black market are the maximum that the market can bear. What, exactly, do you think happens to that cost dynamic when you make the market above-board?
 
2012-03-26 12:36:16 PM
How exactly is that an "unintended consequence?" Did they think Mexicans would just hold it for however long they're in Georgia?
 
2012-03-26 12:37:39 PM

BeesNuts: Headso: BeesNuts: Beyond all that, the market forces driving the price of hay vs the price of pot are very different. Pot's value is generated by its quality. The goal of a grower in that market is to generate the highest quality goods in the smallest area possible. Meanwhile, the goal of a hay producer is to generate the highest *quantity* of goods in the smallest area possible. This drastically alters the supply curve.

I disagree with pretty much your whole post, I'd say the black market aspect is what creates the high cost because it creates scarcity. If you could grow pot anywhere you wouldn't have that scarcity. Also there are different qualities of hay, cow hay and horse hay are of different quality and within horse hay there are levels of quality, timothy hay or hay with a lot of alfalfa is worth more also 2nd or 3rd cutting hay is worth more, 1st cut has winter weeds.

That's cool. Like I said, I don't really have time to go into a ton of detail. But 'the black market' isn't the function driving those costs. If you could grow pot anywhere (you can't, really) then it would still be beholden to an absolute metric assload of competition for land. It's not what generates the most value per pound, when you're talking about farming. It's value per acre. Are you positive that Cannabis generates the highest value per acre in Wyoming? How about in Lancaster? Or Nebraska?

And black market sales eliminate taxes. The cost of items on the black market are the maximum that the market can bear. What, exactly, do you think happens to that cost dynamic when you make the market above-board?


You still increase supply and strip out a huge risk premium for trafficking in illegal goods.
 
2012-03-26 12:38:25 PM

Poopspasm: How exactly is that an "unintended consequence?" Did they think Mexicans would just hold it for however long they're in Georgia?


LUCY! YOU GOT SOME 'SPLAININ' TO DO!

/Even I find that disturbing
 
2012-03-26 12:41:07 PM
i'm still curious where all this anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment was during the '03-'07 housing boom
 
2012-03-26 12:43:27 PM
Yeah. People that live in fear of drug cartel death squads are going to flip out over their toilet not flushing.

The stupidity of republicans never ceases to amaze me.
 
2012-03-26 12:48:58 PM

AdamK: i'm still curious where all this anti-illegal-immigrant sentiment was during the '03-'07 housing boom


People care less about problems when they believe they are benefiting from them. Now that people dont have jobs, those driving down the wages for the jobs that do exist are a clear target,
 
2012-03-26 12:57:21 PM
Why is an ID issued by another government even accepted by the state in the first place? If you are a legal resident, you would have some sort of US ID, no?
 
2012-03-26 12:58:26 PM
Yes, this sounds like a good idea. It's not like Georgia isn't a shiathole already.
 
2012-03-26 01:11:20 PM

sprawl15:
You're not suggesting that people illegally immigrate just for our wonderful sewage system, I hope.


"Son, lord willing, someday we will all shiat in a toilet that doesn't require us to leave toilet paper in a nearby receptacle "
 
2012-03-26 01:14:28 PM

12349876: Sewer service? Really? It'll just give the rest of us cholera.


You mean the freedom sharts? If only!
 
2012-03-26 01:20:46 PM

The Larch: ManRay: The law was intended to restrict the types of ID that a person can use to access government services ie a foreign ID. That is very broad in its reach, so an amendment would be passed to exempt some services. Is there really an epidemic of illegal aliens trying to get married to each other in Georgia? I seriously doubt anyone was thinking of marriage licenses and sewer hookups when trying to limit acceptable IDs for drivers licenses and colleges.

Why on earth would anyone want to limit who could go to school or get a drivers license?

We don't give out drivers license because people like to have little wallet-sized cards with bad pictures on them. We give out drivers license because if everyone has a license, society works better. Drivers licenses make it efficient to enforce the traffic laws. It makes absolutely no difference to me if someone is legal or illegal; I want them to have a damned drivers license, because society works better when they have a license.

The same thing is true of school. I pay a hell of a lot of money int taxes to educate other people's kids because society works better when kids are educated. I don't care if the kids are legal or illegal. Uneducated kids make society worse, and educated kids make society better.

I have no idea why any moron would intentionally try to make society worse, but it seems that if I want to find out I should ask a Georgia Republican.


Oh my innocent one, if you let undocumented immigrants have a drivers' license, they can drive to work legally. Then, when the police officer, who has quota to fill, pulls over the brown driver without cause, he can not arrest or ticket the driver. Without a license, the stop is justified: undocumented citizen driving without a license. That's two days in jail and a $600 dollar fine.

Deportation procedures can be initiated after the third conviction. Do you know why deportation procedures can't be initiated after the first conviction? $1800 dollars, that's why.

But it's not racist. It certainly isn't stealing. It's defending our borders.
 
2012-03-26 01:26:30 PM

The Larch: ManRay: The law was intended to restrict the types of ID that a person can use to access government services ie a foreign ID. That is very broad in its reach, so an amendment would be passed to exempt some services. Is there really an epidemic of illegal aliens trying to get married to each other in Georgia? I seriously doubt anyone was thinking of marriage licenses and sewer hookups when trying to limit acceptable IDs for drivers licenses and colleges.

Why on earth would anyone want to limit who could go to school or get a drivers license?

We don't give out drivers license because people like to have little wallet-sized cards with bad pictures on them. We give out drivers license because if everyone has a license, society works better. Drivers licenses make it efficient to enforce the traffic laws. It makes absolutely no difference to me if someone is legal or illegal; I want them to have a damned drivers license, because society works better when they have a license.

The same thing is true of school. I pay a hell of a lot of money int taxes to educate other people's kids because society works better when kids are educated. I don't care if the kids are legal or illegal. Uneducated kids make society worse, and educated kids make society better.

I have no idea why any moron would intentionally try to make society worse, but it seems that if I want to find out I should ask a Georgia Republican.


Oh my innocent one, if you let undocumented people have a drivers' license, they can drive to work legally. Then when the police officer, who has a quota to fill and a family to feed, pulls over the brown driver without cause he can not arrest or ticket the driver.

Deprive undocumented citizens of a drivers' license and the cop can now ticket the driver for driving without a license. Bonus: not having a drivers' license can make it more difficult to get car insurance. So, it's possible that charge will be added to the ticket. With or without insurance, driving without a license is two days in jail and $600 dollars.

After the third conviction, deportation procedures can be initiated. Do you know why deportation procedures are not typically begun after the first conviction? $1800 dollars, that's why.

But it's not racism. It certainly isn't stealing. It's defending our borders.
 
2012-03-26 01:26:39 PM

Poopspasm: How exactly is that an "unintended consequence?" Did they think Mexicans would just hold it for however long they're in Georgia?


A question made twice as intriguing by your log in.
 
2012-03-26 01:30:02 PM

Poopspasm: BeesNuts: Headso: BeesNuts: Beyond all that, the market forces driving the price of hay vs the price of pot are very different. Pot's value is generated by its quality. The goal of a grower in that market is to generate the highest quality goods in the smallest area possible. Meanwhile, the goal of a hay producer is to generate the highest *quantity* of goods in the smallest area possible. This drastically alters the supply curve.

I disagree with pretty much your whole post, I'd say the black market aspect is what creates the high cost because it creates scarcity. If you could grow pot anywhere you wouldn't have that scarcity. Also there are different qualities of hay, cow hay and horse hay are of different quality and within horse hay there are levels of quality, timothy hay or hay with a lot of alfalfa is worth more also 2nd or 3rd cutting hay is worth more, 1st cut has winter weeds.

That's cool. Like I said, I don't really have time to go into a ton of detail. But 'the black market' isn't the function driving those costs. If you could grow pot anywhere (you can't, really) then it would still be beholden to an absolute metric assload of competition for land. It's not what generates the most value per pound, when you're talking about farming. It's value per acre. Are you positive that Cannabis generates the highest value per acre in Wyoming? How about in Lancaster? Or Nebraska?

And black market sales eliminate taxes. The cost of items on the black market are the maximum that the market can bear. What, exactly, do you think happens to that cost dynamic when you make the market above-board?

You still increase supply and strip out a huge risk premium for trafficking in illegal goods.


So increased profits. Cause the price ain't droppin' if we legalize it. Locally, perhaps. But you're not going to increase demand by lowering the price. So why do it?

You know. Like how you can buy booze everywhere, but "I can buy 30 gallons of milk for the same price as a single liter of booze!"

Of course, this all ignores the fact that he claimed he was paying the same for 30 bales of hay as he was for a 1/4 oz. Which means he's paying between 5 bucks a bale. Which is REALLY cheap. Alternatively, he's paying like... 2 grand an oz. Which isn't just expensive. It's farking stupid.

I know that 'legalize it and the price will drop' is a popular attitude around here. I'm not so sure. Given what I know about the industry, each market can handle a certain maximum cost. Opening up the industry across state lines could potentially yield some *cost* savings, depending on the scale of the operation. But then again, if you're shipping across state lines, you're probably packing that crap onto pallets, which is going to artificially lower the price because, again, the primary driver of the cost of marijuana is its real and perceived quality. Stuff it into a vacuum sealed bag and you're just throwing tens of thousands of dollars out the window per semi-truck worth, and the potential savings might not actually be large enough to drive that kind of decision for any company. If a company chose to do so, it would be due to its' sheer volume of sales, see also: walmart.

So presuming that the markets stay local, then local market saturation may potentially grow if you legalize it. Since when has increased demand lowered prices? Let's assume that the increased demand does, in fact, drive more farms to produce the crop. Which involves a little more than simply buying and planting different seeds, by the way.

In any system, the supply naturally increases to meet demand. No more. So the issue becomes immediate availability. Can customers afford to wait a week to receive their product? Current trends indicate that yes, most dealers make bulk purchases and then slowly divy it out until they are completely dry before they re-up. So what's the point in leveraging the same kind of supply chain that, say, a bale of hay needs?

Furthermore, you can pretty much guarantee that any decrease in apparent price to the consumer would immediately be rolled into excise taxes. So even if you somehow saw prices fall in-market, the impact on the consumer would be negligible.

Ok, so I just said a lot, what's the point? Supply chains would remain local for quality product, and any supply problems would be rectified, as they are today, by increasing your search radius until you acquired enough to cover your customer base. This is why, even today, states that have legalized the drug have seen prices settle at a wide range of values. Those prices are driven more by local situation than some global supply/demand curve.
 
2012-03-26 01:31:45 PM

The Larch: ManRay: The law was intended to restrict the types of ID that a person can use to access government services ie a foreign ID. That is very broad in its reach, so an amendment would be passed to exempt some services. Is there really an epidemic of illegal aliens trying to get married to each other in Georgia? I seriously doubt anyone was thinking of marriage licenses and sewer hookups when trying to limit acceptable IDs for drivers licenses and colleges.

Why on earth would anyone want to limit who could go to school or get a drivers license?

We don't give out drivers license because people like to have little wallet-sized cards with bad pictures on them. We give out drivers license because if everyone has a license, society works better. Drivers licenses make it efficient to enforce the traffic laws. It makes absolutely no difference to me if someone is legal or illegal; I want them to have a damned drivers license, because society works better when they have a license.

The same thing is true of school. I pay a hell of a lot of money int taxes to educate other people's kids because society works better when kids are educated. I don't care if the kids are legal or illegal. Uneducated kids make society worse, and educated kids make society better.

I have no idea why any moron would intentionally try to make society worse, but it seems that if I want to find out I should ask a Georgia Republican.


As for education, immigrant children tend to work their butts off to excel in school. People have begun to notice this and have become concerned that Lupe will "steal" little Johnny's' seat at the state University.

No worries though, a bill has been submitted that would make it illegal for undocumented kids, even ones brought here as infants, to attend a state college or university even if they are barred from receiving any aid and pay out-of-state tuition with their own money.

Actually, I don't know the current status of that bill. I'm hoping it was or will be shot down.
 
2012-03-26 01:38:38 PM

BeesNuts: ManRay: Bigdogdaddy: I did read the entire article. Isn't it funny how when they get hammered for their decision it's always there are "unintended consequences"?

Not really. It happens all the time.

The law was intended to restrict the types of ID that a person can use to access government services ie a foreign ID. That is very broad in its reach, so an amendment would be passed to exempt some services. Is there really an epidemic of illegal aliens trying to get married to each other in Georgia? I seriously doubt anyone was thinking of marriage licenses and sewer hookups when trying to limit acceptable IDs for drivers licenses and colleges.

Marriage licenses I can see. It's one of the way's that you can become a citizen, or generally avoid deportation. Marry a citizen. Since the GOP tried to make a big deal out of anchor babies, I'm not sure I have trouble seeing them deliberately cutting off additional avenues of naturalization/nationalization.

Sewer? That's a little silly.


Ugh. Marry a citizen, become a citizen. No, you can no longer do that. Our immigration laws have been incrementally changed over the last few decades.They are tilted toward xenophobia and away from compassion and justice.

It just drives me crazy. This pervasive ignorance is why I keep having extremely frustrating conversations with good, caring, ethical people who have little sympathy for the plight of undocumented immigrants.

Just last week, a wonderful woman, who expends a huge amount of time in charity work and volunteering, said she didn't feel sorry for illegals because "It's so easy to get citizenship." My cousin and his/her undocumented spouse wish that were true.
 
2012-03-26 01:56:40 PM

Lunaville: BeesNuts: ManRay: Bigdogdaddy: I did read the entire article. Isn't it funny how when they get hammered for their decision it's always there are "unintended consequences"?

Not really. It happens all the time.

The law was intended to restrict the types of ID that a person can use to access government services ie a foreign ID. That is very broad in its reach, so an amendment would be passed to exempt some services. Is there really an epidemic of illegal aliens trying to get married to each other in Georgia? I seriously doubt anyone was thinking of marriage licenses and sewer hookups when trying to limit acceptable IDs for drivers licenses and colleges.

Marriage licenses I can see. It's one of the way's that you can become a citizen, or generally avoid deportation. Marry a citizen. Since the GOP tried to make a big deal out of anchor babies, I'm not sure I have trouble seeing them deliberately cutting off additional avenues of naturalization/nationalization.

Sewer? That's a little silly.

Ugh. Marry a citizen, become a citizen. No, you can no longer do that. Our immigration laws have been incrementally changed over the last few decades.They are tilted toward xenophobia and away from compassion and justice.

It just drives me crazy. This pervasive ignorance is why I keep having extremely frustrating conversations with good, caring, ethical people who have little sympathy for the plight of undocumented immigrants.

Just last week, a wonderful woman, who expends a huge amount of time in charity work and volunteering, said she didn't feel sorry for illegals because "It's so easy to get citizenship." My cousin and his/her undocumented spouse wish that were true.


Didn't mean to imply that it was easy. And I didn't mean to imply that I'd agree with it. And I didn't know that was no longer the case.

The ways to become a citizen are quickly being reduced to "invitation only". Which means we'll totes accept Warner von Braun despite his being a Nazi. But if you live in a third world hovel with no education then you're SOL.

/Seriously didn't realize that citizenship through marriage wasn't on the table anymore
//Does it at least give you more time to acquire citizenship? Or reduce the wait time?
///Anything?
 
2012-03-26 02:14:35 PM
First, they're mad about low-flow toilets. Now they want zero-flow toilets.

Well, to coin a phrase, do it or get off the pot.
 
2012-03-26 02:17:02 PM

BeesNuts: /Seriously didn't realize that citizenship through marriage wasn't on the table anymore
//Does it at least give you more time to acquire citizenship? Or reduce the wait time?
///Anything


No, the marriage confers no benefits to the undocumented spouse in terms of citizenship. There are no shortcuts, no reduced waiting periods. The convoluted, almost impossible immigration process remains the same and the marriage does not protect the undocumented spouse from any of the consequences of being present in this country illegally.

Increasingly, I agree with others in this thread calling for open borders. I'd like to see open borders between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico with reciprocal rights to travel, work, or live within those nations. There was a time when I would have considered such a position to be extreme, but I feel pushed to it by the extremism of anti-immigrant hysteria.
 
2012-03-26 02:24:21 PM

Lunaville: BeesNuts: /Seriously didn't realize that citizenship through marriage wasn't on the table anymore
//Does it at least give you more time to acquire citizenship? Or reduce the wait time?
///Anything

No, the marriage confers no benefits to the undocumented spouse in terms of citizenship. There are no shortcuts, no reduced waiting periods. The convoluted, almost impossible immigration process remains the same and the marriage does not protect the undocumented spouse from any of the consequences of being present in this country illegally.

Increasingly, I agree with others in this thread calling for open borders. I'd like to see open borders between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico with reciprocal rights to travel, work, or live within those nations. There was a time when I would have considered such a position to be extreme, but I feel pushed to it by the extremism of anti-immigrant hysteria.


So you're another idiot that doesn't consider the national security portion of that idea. WTG maroon.
 
2012-03-26 02:25:16 PM

Mearen: So you're another idiot that doesn't consider the national security portion of that idea.


THINK OF ALL THE DARKIES WE'D HAVE!
 
2012-03-26 02:32:25 PM

Mearen: Lunaville: BeesNuts: /Seriously didn't realize that citizenship through marriage wasn't on the table anymore
//Does it at least give you more time to acquire citizenship? Or reduce the wait time?
///Anything

No, the marriage confers no benefits to the undocumented spouse in terms of citizenship. There are no shortcuts, no reduced waiting periods. The convoluted, almost impossible immigration process remains the same and the marriage does not protect the undocumented spouse from any of the consequences of being present in this country illegally.

Increasingly, I agree with others in this thread calling for open borders. I'd like to see open borders between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico with reciprocal rights to travel, work, or live within those nations. There was a time when I would have considered such a position to be extreme, but I feel pushed to it by the extremism of anti-immigrant hysteria.

So you're another idiot that doesn't consider the national security portion of that idea. WTG maroon.


OK we're going to play a new version of poker I came up with. It's called National Security. It works like this. I deal myself a card, say it's a two of clubs. Because I'm the dealer, I can say "National Security" and that card becomes an ace.

By the way, the first time I play a National Security ace, it locks me up as the dealer for the rest of the night.

You guys ready?
 
2012-03-26 02:49:26 PM
The Republicans really do want to send the country back to 1850, don't they? One of the biggest reasons for the improvements in public health, life expectancy and quality of life in the last 200 years has been the development of near-universal availability of proper sanitary controls.

Once cholera gets in the water table, it don't care where you live.
 
2012-03-26 03:03:22 PM
Yes, let's just show our completely inhumane side in order to make a point about illegal immigration.

Meanwhile, the elephant in the room:

People keep hiring illegals. And profit from it.
 
2012-03-26 03:22:30 PM

theorellior: The Republicans really do want to send the country back to 1850, don't they? One of the biggest reasons for the improvements in public health, life expectancy and quality of life in the last 200 years has been the development of near-universal availability of proper sanitary controls.

Once cholera gets in the water table, it don't care where you live.


t3.gstatic.com

Best case, states that lost businesses from Georgia's "Economic Development" department will get them back. Georgia's already sent the state back to 1870 with RTW and their various business groups, both of which have failed to create jobs given the high unemployment there.



whidbey: People keep hiring illegals. And profit from it.


That's a sign that existing laws needs more strength. Once guest workers are gone, illegals are run out, and businesses actually have to fear the penalties of even having an indirectly hired illegal - that is a sign the law is working as intended.
 
2012-03-26 03:25:35 PM

Lunaville: Increasingly, I agree with others in this thread calling for open borders. I'd like to see open borders between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico with reciprocal rights to travel, work, or live within those nations. There was a time when I would have considered such a position to be extreme, but I feel pushed to it by the extremism of anti-immigrant hysteria.


Illegals are not immigrants.
Neither are guest workers, which are only used to distort wages.
 
2012-03-26 03:32:18 PM

revrendjim: "Don't make me come down there."

upload.wikimedia.org


[bearsrepeating.jpg]

Perhaps a second incarnation of Sherman could visit Georgia, level Atlanta, and then repeat until the derp of the South has been removed.
 
2012-03-26 03:35:28 PM

Perhaps a second incarnation of Sherman could visit Georgia, level Atlanta, and then repeat with the rest of the South until the derp of the South has been removed.

Fixed.
 
2012-03-26 03:36:20 PM

Lunaville: BeesNuts: /Seriously didn't realize that citizenship through marriage wasn't on the table anymore
//Does it at least give you more time to acquire citizenship? Or reduce the wait time?
///Anything

No, the marriage confers no benefits to the undocumented spouse in terms of citizenship. There are no shortcuts, no reduced waiting periods. The convoluted, almost impossible immigration process remains the same and the marriage does not protect the undocumented spouse from any of the consequences of being present in this country illegally.

Increasingly, I agree with others in this thread calling for open borders. I'd like to see open borders between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico with reciprocal rights to travel, work, or live within those nations. There was a time when I would have considered such a position to be extreme, but I feel pushed to it by the extremism of anti-immigrant hysteria.


Haven't had to deal with it myself, so it's a purely intellectual exercise for me. So thanks for clearing that up. I knew it was effed. And that it was heavily skewed to skilled workers who already have a job lined up... which says a great many things about the whole "land of opportunity" thing...

/Don't think that position is especially extreme anymore either, in this 'all or nothing' world we live in.
//Friend of mine was in a debate class about 6 years ago and he and his opponent were asked to stake out positions on the immigration debate.
///His opponent chose "fence?"
////He chose "Annex Mexico." (and won)
 
2012-03-26 03:39:43 PM

BeesNuts: //Friend of mine was in a debate class about 6 years ago and he and his opponent were asked to stake out positions on the immigration debate.
///His opponent chose "fence?"
////He chose "Annex Mexico." (and won)


Badly taught debate class.
 
2012-03-26 03:52:39 PM

randomjsa: HotWingConspiracy: Ban them from using traffic lights and stop signs too. I can't see why they should benefit from public safety measures.

We already do that if its illegal for them to get drivers licenses... Well, technically anyway.

I could explain the purpose of this bill and what it would actually accomplish fairly easily, but really I can sum it up... Do you want to live anywhere you can't get sewer services? No, you don't, you will pack up and leave lie about your immigration status at best, and at worst try and comply with the damn law, which will result in complete morons doing things like taking a shiat in their backyard and tainting the water supply.


This is basic sanitation here. You do not ever prevent a certain segment of the population from having access to the sewage system, because you, personally, enjoy not f*cking dying because some idiot can't figure out how to make a camp shiatter.
 
2012-03-26 04:01:38 PM

randomjsa: I could explain the purpose of this bill and what it would actually accomplish fairly easily, but really I can sum it up... Do you want to live anywhere you can't get sewer services? No, you don't, you will pack up and leave.


I don't care if I can get sewer services. I am a responsible person with enough money and resources that I can keep the community free from the consequences of my shiat.

But I will never live anywhere that my neighbor can't get sewer services. No right thinking human being would choose to live in a community like that, unless it was for the peace corps or something.
 
2012-03-26 05:22:06 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: randomjsa: HotWingConspiracy: Ban them from using traffic lights and stop signs too. I can't see why they should benefit from public safety measures.

We already do that if its illegal for them to get drivers licenses... Well, technically anyway.

I could explain the purpose of this bill and what it would actually accomplish fairly easily, but really I can sum it up... Do you want to live anywhere you can't get sewer services? No, you don't, you will pack up and leave.

Let's just declare illegal immigrants to be fully outside the protections of the law while we're at it.


Well, they're not really Murkuns, so they're not really people.
 
2012-03-26 05:34:19 PM
So back in Wild Wild West and and Indian man named "Bolls" heard the White Man was going to take his land. Indignant, he went to nearest town looking for the land management office. Not being able to read, we accidentally wanders into the local pharmacy.

Seeing the Pharmacist he demands, "Bolls won't move!". The Pharmacist replies, "We normally don't serve your kind here red man, but you are obviously in distress so I will help you out. Take these pills and come back in a week." Taking the tin of pills, Bolls returns home.

A week later, after spotting more white surveyors near his land, he returns to the Pharmacist he and yells, "Bolls still won't move!". The Pharmacist replies, "Calm down chief, I believe I have something that will help. We normally use it for veterinary purposes, but its the strongest stuff we carry. If this doesn't do the trick nothing will!". Bolls takes the bottle offered and leaves once more.

A another week later and the Pharmacist looks up to see a heavily sweating Bolls practically drag himself through the door. Exhausted, he whispers, "Bolls will move, TeePee full for shiat!"
 
2012-03-26 05:35:15 PM

Lunaville: My cousin and his/her undocumented spouse wish that were true.


Tell me more about this "cousin" of yours.
 
2012-03-26 05:38:34 PM
Considering where illegals come from, I can't imagine denying them sewer services would even be noticed.
 
2012-03-26 05:46:42 PM

sethstorm: BeesNuts: //Friend of mine was in a debate class about 6 years ago and he and his opponent were asked to stake out positions on the immigration debate.
///His opponent chose "fence?"
////He chose "Annex Mexico." (and won)

Badly taught debate class.


It was week 1. Apparently that's how the teacher gauged the class's general understanding of wtf was going on. I don't disagree with your assessment, but it wasn't a formal logic class. It was one of the MBA track courses. Where they teach you to lie effectively.
 
2012-03-26 06:09:41 PM

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Considering where illegals come from


Home Depot?
 
2012-03-26 07:18:35 PM
The funny thing is, 5-10 years time the economy will be booming again, and like in the Reagan debt boom quietly the borders will be thrown open (can't be done officially as it loses too many votes) and tens of millions more will come across with very few people making much noise about it, and then some time after that the boom ends and maybe there is a recession and things go back to how it is now - suddenly everyone is concerned about the borders and illegals and how they should all be shipped back "home" after a decade or two of working their asses off.
 
2012-03-26 07:19:26 PM

sethstorm: whidbey: People keep hiring illegals. And profit from it.

That's a sign that existing laws needs more strength. Once guest workers are gone, illegals are run out, and businesses actually have to fear the penalties of even having an indirectly hired illegal - that is a sign the law is working as intended.


Um, no.

There is nothing on the books stopping Immigration officials from researching who is hiring illegals and ARRESTING THEM under the existing laws.

Double standard is double.
 
2012-03-26 07:22:37 PM

randomjsa: HotWingConspiracy: Ban them from using traffic lights and stop signs too. I can't see why they should benefit from public safety measures.

We already do that if its illegal for them to get drivers licenses... Well, technically anyway.

I could explain the purpose of this bill and what it would actually accomplish fairly easily, but really I can sum it up... Do you want to live anywhere you can't get sewer services? No, you don't, you will pack up and leave.


It appears that the purpose of the bill is to flood the streets with shiat - much like your function in Fark threads.
 
2012-03-26 07:36:24 PM
Awesome, let's just have widespread pestilence because they don't have access to basic sanitation and running water.
 
2012-03-26 07:47:39 PM

jso2897: randomjsa: HotWingConspiracy: Ban them from using traffic lights and stop signs too. I can't see why they should benefit from public safety measures.

We already do that if its illegal for them to get drivers licenses... Well, technically anyway.

I could explain the purpose of this bill and what it would actually accomplish fairly easily, but really I can sum it up... Do you want to live anywhere you can't get sewer services? No, you don't, you will pack up and leave.

It appears that the purpose of the bill is to flood the streets with shiat - much like your function in Fark threads.


The difference is that it's way less fun pushing sewage downstairs.
 
2012-03-26 08:10:29 PM

PonceAlyosha: You have got to be kidding me. Do these morons want outbreaks of pestilence?


Hate in a Time of Cholera.
 
2012-03-26 08:53:09 PM

Brostorm: People care less about problems when they believe they are benefiting from them. Now that people dont have jobs, those driving down the wages for the jobs that do exist are a clear target,


But this is a huge logical fallacy: that an influx of extra people "take our jobs" or drive down wages.

What about non-immigrant population increases? When our population went from 200 million to 300 million people, did the extra 100 million people "take our jobs," or drive down wages? Are we all fighting over the 1 million jobs that existed in 1776?

Somehow, every population increase up until the present day came with a corresponding increase in jobs---almost as if the extra people created an extra demand for more food, cars, clothing, and things---but suddenly we seem to have entered an era where the number of jobs is officially fixed, and every new person takes a job away, threatening our livelihood.

And somehow, this phenomenon only occurs when the new person is an immigrant. Extra people created by the birth rate exceeding the death rate operate under a completely different calculus.
 
2012-03-26 09:25:31 PM

Evil High Priest: Lunaville: My cousin and his/her undocumented spouse wish that were true.

Tell me more about this "cousin" of yours.


My cousins' father was an alcoholic and extremely abusive. On the plus side, he was almost never at home. Nonetheless, my cousin grew up with very little in the way of material luxuries and plenty in low self-esteem.

My cousin worked and paid his/her way through school with zero help from family. S/he is a nurse and has multiple medical problems of his/her own. S/he never believed she would marry. My cousin met his/her significant other in his/her early thirties. They married after dating for one year. They have one child.

That's all the detail I'm willing to give on the internet about another persons' life. I pray it is not too much. I would hate for my cousin to feel betrayed by me and I would certainly never betray my cousin on purpose.
 
2012-03-27 02:24:00 AM

sprawl15: Equilibrium is always attained, in the long run.


It isn't our job to bring up the standards of the entire planet. You'd essentially turn the United States into a slum.
 
2012-03-27 10:24:56 AM

whidbey: There is nothing on the books stopping Immigration officials from researching who is hiring illegals and ARRESTING THEM under the existing laws.


The problem is that there isn't enough of a penalty to not investigate, arrest, and prosecute.

xria: The funny thing is, 5-10 years time the economy will be booming again, and like in the Reagan debt boom quietly the borders will be thrown open (can't be done officially as it loses too many votes) and tens of millions more will come across with very few people making much noise about it, and then some time after that the boom ends and maybe there is a recession and things go back to how it is now - suddenly everyone is concerned about the borders and illegals and how they should all be shipped back "home" after a decade or two of working their asses off.


The more reason to enact stricter laws now, so that the illegals stay out.
 
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