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2012-03-25 08:52:37 PM
It's Titanic: The Unscripted Sequel.
 
2012-03-25 09:17:43 PM
Meh, when DethClock did it -it was more brutal.
 
2012-03-25 09:18:19 PM
Maybe he'll bring back some new friends
 
2012-03-25 09:33:07 PM
This is a pretty big deal. Hasn't been done for more than 50 years, and then only once. Here's what I want to know- what keeps the pressure from damaging propulsion systems and lights? Are they liquid-filled? And if he's in a bathysphere in the middle of that thing, but can control the robotic arm and navigation, how do the wires pass through the bathysphere wall without being some sort of breech point? The science, she is mind-boggling.
 
2012-03-25 09:35:03 PM
Cameron is only the third person to reach this Pacific Ocean valley southwest of Guam (map)-and the only one to do so solo

Wait, Cameron did something original?
 
2012-03-25 09:38:55 PM

unyon: And if he's in a bathysphere in the middle of that thing, but can control the robotic arm and navigation, how do the wires pass through the bathysphere wall without being some sort of breech point?


It's a breakthrough design utilizing wireless ego power.
 
2012-03-25 09:40:53 PM
I could give a shiat about it being James Cameron - I just wanna see whatever cool shiat he gets video of and shiat like that.
 
2012-03-25 09:56:30 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
//Approves
///andthinksCameronshoulddirectaSeaQuestreboot
 
2012-03-25 09:58:37 PM
I'm disappointed in you, Farkers and subby. No one's made a joke about the "Hitting bottom never felt so good" part of his tweet yet? Tsk.
 
2012-03-25 10:02:23 PM
After as long as six hours in the trench, Cameron-best known for creating fictional worlds on film (Avatar, Titanic, The Abyss)-is to jettison steel weights attached to the sub and shoot back to the surface.

I know nothing of such things - isn't there something called "The Bends" that happens when you ascend too quickly?
 
2012-03-25 10:07:19 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: After as long as six hours in the trench, Cameron-best known for creating fictional worlds on film (Avatar, Titanic, The Abyss)-is to jettison steel weights attached to the sub and shoot back to the surface.

I know nothing of such things - isn't there something called "The Bends" that happens when you ascend too quickly?


As I understand it, that happens when your body is subjected to high pressure. He's been inside a sphere at normal pressure, so not a problem
 
2012-03-25 10:08:40 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: After as long as six hours in the trench, Cameron-best known for creating fictional worlds on film (Avatar, Titanic, The Abyss)-is to jettison steel weights attached to the sub and shoot back to the surface.

I know nothing of such things - isn't there something called "The Bends" that happens when you ascend too quickly?


Not if you bring a one atmosphere environment with you. The "free divers" go down a thousand feet just holding their breath.
 
2012-03-25 10:09:16 PM
I know it is cool to hate on Cameron, and much of it is deserved, but this is a fantastic feat and I hope he gets some great results.
 
2012-03-25 10:11:23 PM
It is interesting, this year two records will probably fall set by the US Navy and USAF 51 years ago. The highest skydive (No, he isn't jumping from space you moran), and the deepest dive. James Cameron possibly already broke the deepest dive record if the measurement he took today was correct, and who knows if Felix will do the other later this year. That being said it is kind of sad that nobody cares about these scientific adventures anymore. The US doesn't seem to really want to stay competitive when it comes to space exploration or deep sea research anymore.

Hell, for most Americans today the top story was Tiger Wood winning the PGA tour for the first time since 2009. So no, I don't think anyone will be watching in America. Or at least not on the scale that we watched the moon landing in 1969, when the Chinese sit foot on the moon. We have better things to do, like commenting on the latest cute viral video and following the latest celebrity scandal while we shrugs apathetically about our government being able to accomplish anything anymore.

We give up on the hard things, we have stopped being in aw and amazed by anything of real substance. So props to you James Cameron, you put your money towards doing something awesome and learning more about a place we've barely explored. I can only hope you will get people excited about deep sea research again as a product of your trip to the depths, but I wont hold my breath.
 
2012-03-25 10:11:55 PM

Fallout Zone: I know it is cool to hate on Cameron, and much of it is deserved, but this is a fantastic feat and I hope he gets some great results.


this^

I can't wait to see some of the video, and samples. Plus this rig is off the charts cool.
 
2012-03-25 10:26:12 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: I know nothing of such things - isn't there something called "The Bends" that happens when you ascend too quickly?


My understanding is that it happens when scuba divers breathe pressurized air. The lower they go, the regulator automatically increases the pressure or the wouldn't be able to breathe. The thing is, if you've been breathing pressurized air for a long time and then suddenly go back to 1atm, the pressurized gas actually starts expanding in your blood vessels, causing there to be bubbles in your vessels. This is very serious and apparently if you get it you feel a need to bend over in agony.
 
2012-03-25 10:35:23 PM
He's gone over 10,000 feet deeper than his Abyss movie went fictionally. Mind blown.
 
2012-03-25 10:40:35 PM
James Cameron something something deepest ever something something your mom.

(+1 to JC - this is seriously cool. Can't wait to see the vids.)
 
2012-03-25 10:43:28 PM
 
2012-03-25 10:48:02 PM
Fark yeeeeeeeeeeeeah. This is awesome.
 
2012-03-25 10:53:55 PM

ambassador_ahab: Benevolent Misanthrope: I know nothing of such things - isn't there something called "The Bends" that happens when you ascend too quickly?

My understanding is that it happens when scuba divers breathe pressurized air. The lower they go, the regulator automatically increases the pressure or the wouldn't be able to breathe. The thing is, if you've been breathing pressurized air for a long time and then suddenly go back to 1atm, the pressurized gas actually starts expanding in your blood vessels, causing there to be bubbles in your vessels. This is very serious and apparently if you get it you feel a need to bend over in agony.


That is almost an exact description of Boyle's Law, which is the 1st thing that you learn when learning Scuba. As was already mentioned this effect doesn't apply to a submarine as the whole thing is pressurized
 
2012-03-25 11:01:10 PM
You can say whatever you want about James Cameron- I personally thought Avatar was pretty awful- but this is some cool shiat right here. I would give anything to have a sub like that.

/no one would ever find the bodies that way
 
2012-03-25 11:02:35 PM

nightronin: ambassador_ahab: Benevolent Misanthrope: I know nothing of such things - isn't there something called "The Bends" that happens when you ascend too quickly?

My understanding is that it happens when scuba divers breathe pressurized air. The lower they go, the regulator automatically increases the pressure or the wouldn't be able to breathe. The thing is, if you've been breathing pressurized air for a long time and then suddenly go back to 1atm, the pressurized gas actually starts expanding in your blood vessels, causing there to be bubbles in your vessels. This is very serious and apparently if you get it you feel a need to bend over in agony.

That is almost an exact description of Boyle's Law, which is the 1st thing that you learn when learning Scuba. As was already mentioned this effect doesn't apply to a submarine as the whole thing is pressurized


My more favorite scuba injury is lung embolism, which happens when someone takes a big breath of pressurized air at depth, holds it, and ascends without exhaling. Annnnnnnd POP! Instant scubatorum.
 
2012-03-25 11:04:39 PM
This is a big deal I just wish it wasn't James Cameron doing it since he is a giant douche.
 
2012-03-25 11:07:00 PM

bbfreak: We give up on the hard things, we have stopped being in aw and amazed by anything of real substance. So props to you James Cameron, you put your money towards doing something awesome and learning more about a place we've barely explored.


If it makes you feel better, you did your part to pay for it when you bought a ticket to Avatar.
 
2012-03-25 11:08:28 PM

dahmers love zombie: nightronin: ambassador_ahab: Benevolent Misanthrope: I know nothing of such things - isn't there something called "The Bends" that happens when you ascend too quickly?

My understanding is that it happens when scuba divers breathe pressurized air. The lower they go, the regulator automatically increases the pressure or the wouldn't be able to breathe. The thing is, if you've been breathing pressurized air for a long time and then suddenly go back to 1atm, the pressurized gas actually starts expanding in your blood vessels, causing there to be bubbles in your vessels. This is very serious and apparently if you get it you feel a need to bend over in agony.

That is almost an exact description of Boyle's Law, which is the 1st thing that you learn when learning Scuba. As was already mentioned this effect doesn't apply to a submarine as the whole thing is pressurized

My more favorite scuba injury is lung embolism, which happens when someone takes a big breath of pressurized air at depth, holds it, and ascends without exhaling. Annnnnnnd POP! Instant scubatorum.


Another fun injury based off Boyle's law. So many things that can go wrong under the water even for trained divers
 
2012-03-25 11:12:16 PM

tzzhc4: This is a big deal I just wish it wasn't James Cameron doing it since he is a giant douche.


Linda Hamilton sounds like a battered wife in that article. He left her for the skank from Titanic?
 
2012-03-25 11:14:59 PM
I read about the first trip into the Challenger Deep years ago and I had this weird thought that the Navy guy who piloted the sub down should have turned around and climbed Everest, then he could have hit the highest and lowest points on Earth. That's some sizable bragging points, there.

But the earlier point about the deep dive and the high parachute jump records being broken is a pretty good one. Talk about some ballsy dudes pulling those off all those years ago.
 
2012-03-25 11:20:16 PM

Your_Huckleberry: I read about the first trip into the Challenger Deep years ago and I had this weird thought that the Navy guy who piloted the sub down should have turned around and climbed Everest, then he could have hit the highest and lowest points on Earth. That's some sizable bragging points, there.

But the earlier point about the deep dive and the high parachute jump records being broken is a pretty good one. Talk about some ballsy dudes pulling those off all those years ago.


upload.wikimedia.org

/Guy who did this is still alive, hope he lives to see his record broken
 
2012-03-25 11:22:32 PM

unyon: bbfreak: We give up on the hard things, we have stopped being in aw and amazed by anything of real substance. So props to you James Cameron, you put your money towards doing something awesome and learning more about a place we've barely explored.

If it makes you feel better, you did your part to pay for it when you bought a ticket to Avatar.


Also the National Geographic Society co-sponsored the trip, along with Rolex. So kind of a US-UK-Canadian partnership without any official backing from any of those countries. So yes, effectively if you've bought a National Geographic Magazine, a Rolex or watched Avatar in theater you helped sponsor this trip/building of the sub.

So maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way. Its great that they made it happen. Still wish we weren't as a nation turning away from being the great explorers we were 40-50 years ago.
 
2012-03-25 11:51:27 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Meh, when DethKlok did it -it was more brutal.


"Not in the ocean... inside the ocean."

/so farkin' excited for the new episodes
// it's gonna be so brootal.
 
2012-03-26 12:00:50 AM
"This is James Cameron, I'm trying to revisit the only decent script I ever wrote, over."
www.vanityfair.com
"Copy, James, you go as deep as you want into the Abyss... your scripts will always be titanically shallow, over.
 
2012-03-26 12:03:04 AM
I've known a person or two who got lost in the Abyss.
/MagistriTemplorum, they ain't.
 
2012-03-26 12:04:51 AM
Cameron-best known for creating fictional worlds on film (Avatar, Titanic, The Abyss)

"Titanic" took place in a fictional world?
 
2012-03-26 12:16:11 AM

AntonChigger: Your_Huckleberry: I read about the first trip into the Challenger Deep years ago and I had this weird thought that the Navy guy who piloted the sub down should have turned around and climbed Everest, then he could have hit the highest and lowest points on Earth. That's some sizable bragging points, there.

But the earlier point about the deep dive and the high parachute jump records being broken is a pretty good one. Talk about some ballsy dudes pulling those off all those years ago.



/Guy who did this is still alive, hope he lives to see his record broken


He is a technical advisor on the current record attempt.
I saw a pretty spiffy bit on this on Mysteries At The Museum the other day, forgot about how a portion of his pressure suit failed on the way up and his hand was exposed. I don't think he lost any fingers or anything, but it apparently hurt like hell and the footage of him after landing shows him really rubbing one of his hands.
 
2012-03-26 12:33:01 AM
Strange...that article sent me on a Wiki hunt about Trieste because I saw her on display at the Navy Yard in DC as a kid in the early 70's.

Wikipedia says she wasn't displayed there until 1980.

Wikipedia couldn't be wrong, could it? :-)

/I also got to crawl into a 18 inch gun tube off an Iowa class battleship
//that same tube was later installed on New Jersey during her refit
///museums were a lot more...casual...back then
 
2012-03-26 12:36:42 AM

fusillade762: Cameron-best known for creating fictional worlds on film (Avatar, Titanic, The Abyss)

"Titanic" took place in a fictional world?


Yes and no. There was a real Titanic but real life isn't nearly as cliched and contrived as that story.
 
2012-03-26 12:53:33 AM
BTW there are a couple other people planning on reaching the Challenger Deep in the near future.

Now how about the X-15's record for fastest plane....
 
2012-03-26 12:54:48 AM

bbfreak: unyon: bbfreak: We give up on the hard things, we have stopped being in aw and amazed by anything of real substance. So props to you James Cameron, you put your money towards doing something awesome and learning more about a place we've barely explored.

If it makes you feel better, you did your part to pay for it when you bought a ticket to Avatar.

Also the National Geographic Society co-sponsored the trip, along with Rolex. So kind of a US-UK-Canadian partnership without any official backing from any of those countries. So yes, effectively if you've bought a National Geographic Magazine, a Rolex or watched Avatar in theater you helped sponsor this trip/building of the sub.

So maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way. Its great that they made it happen. Still wish we weren't as a nation turning away from being the great explorers we were 40-50 years ago.


JPL had a hand in the design, so there was -some- US gov't involvement, even if a tiny bit.
 
2012-03-26 01:02:16 AM

unyon: This is a pretty big deal.


No, it isn't.

It's just Jimmy pumping a few more cubic kilometres of air into his already grotesquely inflated ego (with a little help from Richard Branson, who is also a swaggering little rich boy sh*t).

This little daredevil stunt has as much bearing to Humanity as Evel Knievel's Snake River jump did for curing cancer.
 
2012-03-26 01:14:47 AM

scanman61: /I also got to crawl into a 18 inch gun tube off an Iowa class battleship


16" L50. So maybe you shouldn't place any bets on the Trieste memory.
 
2012-03-26 02:13:14 AM

TV's Vinnie: unyon: This is a pretty big deal.

No, it isn't.

It's just Jimmy pumping a few more cubic kilometres of air into his already grotesquely inflated ego (with a little help from Richard Branson, who is also a swaggering little rich boy sh*t).

This little daredevil stunt has as much bearing to Humanity as Evel Knievel's Snake River jump did for curing cancer.


What's it like to be completely wrong all the time? Does it hurt?
 
2012-03-26 02:15:55 AM
He's back from his trip now.
 
2012-03-26 02:18:07 AM

WhyteRaven74: BTW there are a couple other people planning on reaching the Challenger Deep in the near future.

Now how about the X-15's record for fastest plane....


Yeah... The economics just aren't there to make something commercially viable. If you come back to me with really cheap energy we might be able to come up with a cost efficient semi-ballistic that would hop half way around the globe in an hour. That, or figure out a way to locally nullify the Higgs field, then we don't have any inertia to get in the way.

/The difference between good science fiction and science is a matter of two elements
//Unobtainium and unexpectium
 
2012-03-26 02:32:04 AM

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: TV's Vinnie: unyon: This is a pretty big deal.

No, it isn't.

It's just Jimmy pumping a few more cubic kilometres of air into his already grotesquely inflated ego (with a little help from Richard Branson, who is also a swaggering little rich boy sh*t).

This little daredevil stunt has as much bearing to Humanity as Evel Knievel's Snake River jump did for curing cancer.

What's it like to be completely wrong all the time? Does it hurt?


O RLY? And just how am I wrong? Are you denying that James Cameron is an insufferable fark full of ego?
 
2012-03-26 02:52:47 AM
On the one hand, I envy Cameron for getting to make big-budget movies to bankroll his dicking around with fancy gadgets and doing deep-sea exploration.

On the other hand, I wish his movies didn't suck so damn much.

/except T2
 
2012-03-26 02:54:59 AM

wildcardjack: The economics just aren't there to make something commercially viable.


the X-15 was a single seat experimental plane. No point in worrying about economics, just something that can break a very old record.

TV's Vinnie: O RLY? And just how am I wrong? Are you denying that James Cameron is an insufferable fark full of ego?


Part of his trip do the Challenger Deep is gathering whatever samples he can. And the idea is that the craft can return to the Challenger Deep over and over. That Cameron is a raging egomaniac is neither here nor there as far as this is concerned.
 
2012-03-26 03:11:16 AM

WhyteRaven74: Part of his trip do the Challenger Deep is gathering whatever samples he can. And the idea is that the craft can return to the Challenger Deep over and over. That Cameron is a raging egomaniac is neither here nor there as far as this is concerned.


How much does it cost to keep all that armor of yours all white and shiny?
 
2012-03-26 03:18:56 AM

tzzhc4: This is a big deal I just wish it wasn't James Cameron doing it since he is a giant douche.


FTA: Actress Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio ran from 'The Abyss' set crying "we are not animals" when he told cast members to relieve themselves inside their wet suits during a water scene to save time.

And the white foam at the beach is whale pee.
 
2012-03-26 04:29:56 AM

sno man: The "free divers" go down a thousand feet just holding their breath.


Just reading that sentence makes me kind of panicky .
 
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