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2012-03-25 11:10:17 PM
The Islanders are moving to Brooklyn to join the Nets. The Stars are staying in Dallas. The Devils have a fairly new arena in Newark. The other teams, particularly Phoenix, are possibilities to move.
 
2012-03-25 11:15:51 PM
Because the Nordiques did so well the first time around?
 
2012-03-25 11:27:40 PM

mikemoto: The Islanders are moving to Brooklyn to join the Nets. The Stars are staying in Dallas. The Devils have a fairly new arena in Newark. The other teams, particularly Phoenix, are possibilities to move.


Phoenix is only still in Phoenix because getting out of that arena deal is too expensive, they lose less money staying.
Subby missed Nashville too. The most likely to move is Columbus. No real history there, and you have to win, a lot, to get the fans to you know, be fans. I see you looking at Toronto and saying WTF they don't win... They have that history, and a fair bit of winning in that history.
 
2012-03-25 11:30:37 PM

slayer199: Because the Nordiques did so well the first time around?


The 67 cent dollar screwed them (and Winnipeg) last time. With the dollar basically at par, the math works just fine.
 
2012-03-25 11:46:35 PM
Ask Kansas City how that worked out.
 
2012-03-26 12:11:50 AM
Because when I think hockey....I think Arizona
 
2012-03-26 12:51:50 AM
I refuse to allow the Florida Panthers to move since they have the best goal calls in all of hockey.

/especially for them to move to a French-speaking city
//blasphemy
 
2012-03-26 12:54:05 AM

mikemoto: The Islanders are moving to Brooklyn to join the Nets. The Stars are staying in Dallas. The Devils have a fairly new arena in Newark. The other teams, particularly Phoenix, are possibilities to move.


When the Lighthouse failed I feared the worst, but there seems to be enough talk that I don't think the Islanders are leaving the NY area. The Nets' arena would be great location-wise, especially with the LIRR going right there, but supposedly the design isn't 100% suitable for hockey. Even with that it's probably better than the Coliseum, especially now that things have gotten more asbestos-y (new window). Thanks again, Kate Murray and the Town of Hempstead!

And yeah, the Devils aren't leaving anytime soon even if they're not drawing so well. That arena is actually really nice.
 
2012-03-26 03:38:49 AM

sno man: The 67 cent dollar screwed them (and Winnipeg) last time. With the dollar basically at par, the math works just fine.


True. Attendance wasn't the problem in Winnipeg. Too bad for the Nordiques...the Avs were a pretty good hockey team and I hated them dearly.
 
2012-03-26 04:34:49 AM
Devils ain't leaving Newark, sorry.
 
2012-03-26 04:36:52 AM
The NHL would be so God damn stupid if they moved the Stars, especially now that they are out of the Tom Hicks bankruptcy era and have a solid chance to get back to the playoffs (this has been their longest playoff drought in Dallas). Oh yeah and it's a top 5 market and probably has more long term stability than any other southern market since most are small markets. Florida and Arizona are bad sports markets in general as well, go after those teams first. Don't pull a David Stern and get rid of a good market (ie Seattle or Dallas) for some small market (OKC or Quebec City). It would help kill any love for hockey in a pretty large area. I'm not saying Ville de Quebec doesn't deserve a team but please take the Florida Panthers or the Phoenix Coyotes first.
 
2012-03-26 05:07:07 AM
I can't see the Devils or Stars going anywhere, all the other teams listed could easily pack up and leave. Florida seems to enjoy losing teams so maybe it'll be the Panthers next.
 
2012-03-26 05:40:31 AM

mikemoto: The Islanders are moving to Brooklyn to join the Nets. The Stars are staying in Dallas. The Devils have a fairly new arena in Newark. The other teams, particularly Phoenix, are possibilities to move.


I hope the islanders come to Brooklyn. I'd actually go. Everything I've heard says Barclay Ctr is too small. That and their fan is out in Nassau county and it would be tough for him to make it to games.

/wings fan
//wants to watch hockey
///hates MSG
 
2012-03-26 05:58:36 AM
Just as I was starting to follow the coyotes, they're going to move. Oh well, maybe I'll become a Rangers fan when I move to New York.

Meh.
 
2012-03-26 07:19:16 AM
Devils, Panthers, and Stars aren't moving. Devils have a beautiful new arena, Panthers reportedly have a good arena situation and stable ownership, and the Stars just got new ownership.

Blue Jackets should stay where they are. Ohio is a big important northern market and important for the NHL to have a team there. The have no other pro sports in Columbus, only Ohio State. It should work there. The fan support has been decent for a team that has always been terrible and never even won a playoff game. Team shouldn't be moved just because they've been bad on the ice.

Isles probably won't stay in Nassau after their lease is up in 2015, but if they do move, it will probably be to Brooklyn. It looks like the groundwork is already being laid for that. Keep in mind that Bettman was an Isles fan growing up. He probably won't want to see that team move out of market.

That leaves Phoenix, and who the hell knows? Depend son how long the league is willing to own the team while they look for an owner.

Don't completely rule out another expansion either. With one team going to QC and one going west to Kansas City or Seattle, both of which have expressed strong interest in getting a team.
 
2012-03-26 07:50:28 AM

Doc Daneeka: Devils, Panthers, and Stars aren't moving. Devils have a beautiful new arena, Panthers reportedly have a good arena situation and stable ownership, and the Stars just got new ownership.

Blue Jackets should stay where they are. Ohio is a big important northern market and important for the NHL to have a team there. The have no other pro sports in Columbus, only Ohio State. It should work there. The fan support has been decent for a team that has always been terrible and never even won a playoff game. Team shouldn't be moved just because they've been bad on the ice.

Isles probably won't stay in Nassau after their lease is up in 2015, but if they do move, it will probably be to Brooklyn. It looks like the groundwork is already being laid for that. Keep in mind that Bettman was an Isles fan growing up. He probably won't want to see that team move out of market.

That leaves Phoenix, and who the hell knows? Depend son how long the league is willing to own the team while they look for an owner.

Don't completely rule out another expansion either. With one team going to QC and one going west to Kansas City or Seattle, both of which have expressed strong interest in getting a team.


Ummm you forgot about the Crew. And osu football.

Expansion would be reeeeeeetarded. Fully. KC has no ownership group willing to cut AEG a check fir use of their arena. Its a similar situation in Seattle, where the owner of the team would not control the arena or parking. t least Seattle has an owner. QC is a shoo in if theres expansion.

Dont tell me NCAA football isnt professional. Follow the money.
 
2012-03-26 07:53:48 AM
Dallas won't move as for reasons cited above. That and we have the most kickass fight songs in all of pro sports
 
2012-03-26 08:34:41 AM

sno man: mikemoto: The Islanders are moving to Brooklyn to join the Nets. The Stars are staying in Dallas. The Devils have a fairly new arena in Newark. The other teams, particularly Phoenix, are possibilities to move.

Phoenix is only still in Phoenix because getting out of that arena deal is too expensive, they lose less money staying.
Subby missed Nashville too. The most likely to move is Columbus. No real history there, and you have to win, a lot, to get the fans to you know, be fans. I see you looking at Toronto and saying WTF they don't win... They have that history, and a fair bit of winning in that history.


Other than the Bluejackets being signed into some kind of super long term deal where they cannot leave the city..(not sure about the specifics but it is brought up every time someone tries to mention a move)
 
2012-03-26 08:51:13 AM
I still have a Quebec jersey (sweater, whatever) that I love dearly. I always thought it was a great logo. Also, I am surprised that Phoenix has survived this long. They would be my pick to go.
 
2012-03-26 08:51:16 AM

WSUCanuck: Doc Daneeka: Devils, Panthers, and Stars aren't moving. Devils have a beautiful new arena, Panthers reportedly have a good arena situation and stable ownership, and the Stars just got new ownership.

Blue Jackets should stay where they are. Ohio is a big important northern market and important for the NHL to have a team there. The have no other pro sports in Columbus, only Ohio State. It should work there. The fan support has been decent for a team that has always been terrible and never even won a playoff game. Team shouldn't be moved just because they've been bad on the ice.

Isles probably won't stay in Nassau after their lease is up in 2015, but if they do move, it will probably be to Brooklyn. It looks like the groundwork is already being laid for that. Keep in mind that Bettman was an Isles fan growing up. He probably won't want to see that team move out of market.

That leaves Phoenix, and who the hell knows? Depend son how long the league is willing to own the team while they look for an owner.

Don't completely rule out another expansion either. With one team going to QC and one going west to Kansas City or Seattle, both of which have expressed strong interest in getting a team.

Ummm you forgot about the Crew. And osu football.

Expansion would be reeeeeeetarded. Fully. KC has no ownership group willing to cut AEG a check fir use of their arena. Its a similar situation in Seattle, where the owner of the team would not control the arena or parking. t least Seattle has an owner. QC is a shoo in if theres expansion.

Dont tell me NCAA football isnt professional. Follow the money.


I mentioned OSU. But still I think that market is big enough to support the Jackets in addition to OSU.

And no, soccer doesn't count. Even if it did, soccer plays in the summer and doesn't directly compete with the hockey season anyway.
 
2012-03-26 09:01:22 AM
They're doing it wrong. First they need to get one of those other teams to move to Atlanta. Once a team is in Atlanta, they're a lock to go to Canada a few years later.
 
2012-03-26 09:12:18 AM
If Quebec gets a team I think that about wraps up the Canadian teams in the league since I doubt Toronto will ever allow another team in the area and I think Don Cherry suggesting Saskatoon is kind of a joke.
 
2012-03-26 09:21:04 AM

Cybernetic: They're doing it wrong. First they need to get one of those other teams to move to Atlanta. Once a team is in Atlanta, they're a lock to go to Canada a few years later.


Came here to say this. Is it possible for Atlanta to get a team and lose it by 2015? If anyone has a chance, it would be Atl.

Sadly I'd be okay with this because at least for two or three years, I'd be able to see a live game again.
 
2012-03-26 09:26:54 AM
Dear Quebec people,

If you steal the Panthers, you won't have hockey games to go to when you're down here clogging up our roads and leaving a $2 tip on a $20 tab.

Thanks,

South Florida
 
2012-03-26 09:34:39 AM
Franklin County just bought Nationwide Arena from Nationwide Insurance, using new casino money. Franklin County then turned around and gave the Blue Jackets a new sweetheart deal. The new lease is a long-term deal with almost no rent owed by the teams. Sorry folks, the Blue Jackets aren't going anywhere, including up in the standings.
 
2012-03-26 09:44:55 AM

slayer199: Because the Nordiques did so well the first time around?


If they can make even a dollar in profit, they'll have made more than the Coyotes.

16 years in the desert and not a f*cking penny made.
 
2012-03-26 09:46:30 AM

Doc Daneeka: WSUCanuck: Doc Daneeka: Devils, Panthers, and Stars aren't moving. Devils have a beautiful new arena, Panthers reportedly have a good arena situation and stable ownership, and the Stars just got new ownership.

Blue Jackets should stay where they are. Ohio is a big important northern market and important for the NHL to have a team there. The have no other pro sports in Columbus, only Ohio State. It should work there. The fan support has been decent for a team that has always been terrible and never even won a playoff game. Team shouldn't be moved just because they've been bad on the ice.

Isles probably won't stay in Nassau after their lease is up in 2015, but if they do move, it will probably be to Brooklyn. It looks like the groundwork is already being laid for that. Keep in mind that Bettman was an Isles fan growing up. He probably won't want to see that team move out of market.

That leaves Phoenix, and who the hell knows? Depend son how long the league is willing to own the team while they look for an owner.

Don't completely rule out another expansion either. With one team going to QC and one going west to Kansas City or Seattle, both of which have expressed strong interest in getting a team.

Ummm you forgot about the Crew. And osu football.

Expansion would be reeeeeeetarded. Fully. KC has no ownership group willing to cut AEG a check fir use of their arena. Its a similar situation in Seattle, where the owner of the team would not control the arena or parking. t least Seattle has an owner. QC is a shoo in if theres expansion.

Dont tell me NCAA football isnt professional. Follow the money.

I mentioned OSU. But still I think that market is big enough to support the Jackets in addition to OSU.

And no, soccer doesn't count. Even if it did, soccer plays in the summer and doesn't directly compete with the hockey season anyway.


But soccer is like hockey on grass!
 
2012-03-26 09:48:33 AM

Rev.K: slayer199: Because the Nordiques did so well the first time around?

If they can make even a dollar in profit, they'll have made more than the Coyotes.

16 years in the desert and not a f*cking penny made.


Nothing wrong with the desert as a location. Hardly anyone plays baseball in the concrete jungle of New York City, but the Yankees and Mets do well enough.
 
2012-03-26 09:53:57 AM

slayer199: sno man: The 67 cent dollar screwed them (and Winnipeg) last time. With the dollar basically at par, the math works just fine.

True. Attendance wasn't the problem in Winnipeg. Too bad for the Nordiques...the Avs were a pretty good hockey team and I hated them dearly.


The Avs were good but as someone wisely pointed out, they never would have gotten Patrick Roy if they were still in Quebec City. Anyways, the move of the Coyotes has pretty much been an open secret in Quebec for sometime now. The Colisee is getting a 38 million dollar renovation over the summer, the Remparts (the Junior team) staff have been told to move their items out when the season ends and the second major Quebec sports channel have been hiring talent for games next fall.
 
2012-03-26 10:05:01 AM
I would go see a game there. I always wanted to visit Quebec city.
 
2012-03-26 10:05:55 AM

bhcompy: Nothing wrong with the desert as a location.


Except that in 16 years they can't secure a fanbase that will actually make the team profitable.

I'm not a militant "hockey in Canada" Canadian. I'm fine with the NHL putting a team anywhere that it can be supported and loved, but Phoenix is incapable of providing that.

The team has lost money every year for 16 years and is now owned by the NHL, which means that revenues from the other 29 teams are keeping that franchise afloat. It's mind-boggling how the other owners are okay with this, when there are other locations where making a profit is far, far more likely to happen.

Like Quebec City.
 
2012-03-26 10:13:12 AM

Rev.K: bhcompy: Nothing wrong with the desert as a location.

Except that in 16 years they can't secure a fanbase that will actually make the team profitable.

I'm not a militant "hockey in Canada" Canadian. I'm fine with the NHL putting a team anywhere that it can be supported and loved, but Phoenix is incapable of providing that.

The team has lost money every year for 16 years and is now owned by the NHL, which means that revenues from the other 29 teams are keeping that franchise afloat. It's mind-boggling how the other owners are okay with this, when there are other locations where making a profit is far, far more likely to happen.

Like Quebec City.


That's fine. Don't blame the desert, blame the fans.

/and for what it's worth, youth hockey does pretty well in the southwest
 
2012-03-26 10:17:22 AM
Columbus isn't going anywhere. The Jackets still pull decent numbers despite sucking majorly. They are too important to the city of Columbus and downtown is built around them now. Hockey is a big deal in Columbus, with packed rec leagues. I don't see the NHL wanting to alienate those eyeballs.
 
2012-03-26 10:20:16 AM

Time Traveling Bunnies: Came here to say this. Is it possible for Atlanta to get a team and lose it by 2015? If anyone has a chance, it would be Atl.

Sadly I'd be okay with this because at least for two or three years, I'd be able to see a live game again.


Here here. I very much enjoyed going to Thrashers games (it would have been more fun if they won), but you can't have an ownership group as bad as the Atlanta Spirit Group and expect to succeed. It takes people who are actual hockey fans and will invest in the team to succeed here. Hockey in Atlanta can work, but it's certainly an uphill battle.
 
2012-03-26 10:31:18 AM

Malcolm_Sex: If Quebec gets a team I think that about wraps up the Canadian teams in the league since I doubt Toronto will ever allow another team in the area and I think Don Cherry suggesting Saskatoon is kind of a joke.


It is a joke, but it's on Don Cherry. Grapes is dead serious, however.
 
2012-03-26 10:34:09 AM

carnifex2005: slayer199: sno man: The 67 cent dollar screwed them (and Winnipeg) last time. With the dollar basically at par, the math works just fine.

True. Attendance wasn't the problem in Winnipeg. Too bad for the Nordiques...the Avs were a pretty good hockey team and I hated them dearly.

The Avs were good but as someone wisely pointed out, they never would have gotten Patrick Roy if they were still in Quebec City. Anyways, the move of the Coyotes has pretty much been an open secret in Quebec for sometime now. The Colisee is getting a 38 million dollar renovation over the summer, the Remparts (the Junior team) staff have been told to move their items out when the season ends and the second major Quebec sports channel have been hiring talent for games next fall.


How dare you imply that Mr. Bettman is lying. That man of integrity and honesty said there are no available teams to move. People are lining up to buy the Coyotes and keep them in the desert.
 
2012-03-26 10:36:54 AM

germ78: I refuse to allow the Florida Panthers to move since they have the best goal calls in all of hockey.

/especially for them to move to a French-speaking city
//blasphemy


A friend of mine showed me these months ago and they are probably the best videos in all of Youtube.
 
2012-03-26 10:47:22 AM
If only Atlanta had a third team to ship to Canada....
 
2012-03-26 11:01:07 AM

bhcompy: But soccer is like hockey on grass!


Yeah, except for the much slower pace. And no hitting or physicality. And much more frequent diving. And much less frequent scoring. And very few shots on goal, and even fewer decent scoring chances. And an offsides rule seemingly designed specifically to stifle offense.

But aside from that, exactly the same!

Seriously though, if anything is "hockey on grass," it's lacrosse. Even more so than field hockey, because field hockey doesn't quite capture the same spirit.
 
2012-03-26 11:16:11 AM

fatalvenom: Dear Quebec people,

If you steal the Panthers, you won't have hockey games to go to when you're down here clogging up our roads and leaving a $2 tip on a $20 tab.

Thanks,

South Florida


So true, so true.

/ waiter in Montreal.
 
2012-03-26 11:19:41 AM

Doc Daneeka: Seriously though, if anything is "hockey on grass," it's lacrosse.


Um...about that

img.archiexpo.com
 
2012-03-26 11:20:51 AM

Doc Daneeka: bhcompy: But soccer is like hockey on grass!

Yeah, except for the much slower pace. And no hitting or physicality. And much more frequent diving. And much less frequent scoring. And very few shots on goal, and even fewer decent scoring chances. And an offsides rule seemingly designed specifically to stifle offense.

But aside from that, exactly the same!

Seriously though, if anything is "hockey on grass," it's lacrosse. Even more so than field hockey, because field hockey doesn't quite capture the same spirit.



i229.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-26 11:24:35 AM

Mr_Ectomy: Doc Daneeka: Seriously though, if anything is "hockey on grass," it's lacrosse.

Um...about that

[img.archiexpo.com image 640x452]


Did you read the rest of my post?

Yes, field hockey is "hockey on grass" in a technical sense. But I would say that box lacrosse has a much closer spiritual kinship to ice hockey than field hockey does.
 
2012-03-26 11:40:11 AM
Phoenix makes the most sense, for the financial reasons and because it's a western team moving into the east allowing Winnipeg to bump into the west.

Also, Winnipeg and Quebec could do a paper franchise swap, allowing Winnipeg to get the old Jets franchise history and logos back.
 
2012-03-26 11:59:15 AM

Aar1012: Because when I think hockey....I think Arizona


So professional basketball should only be played in Harlem? Is that right, Adolf?
 
2012-03-26 12:08:09 PM

germ78: I refuse to allow the Florida Panthers to move since they have the best goal calls in all of hockey.

/especially for them to move to a French-speaking city
//blasphemy


bhcompy: Doc Daneeka: WSUCanuck: Doc Daneeka: Devils, Panthers, and Stars aren't moving. Devils have a beautiful new arena, Panthers reportedly have a good arena situation and stable ownership, and the Stars just got new ownership.

Blue Jackets should stay where they are. Ohio is a big important northern market and important for the NHL to have a team there. The have no other pro sports in Columbus, only Ohio State. It should work there. The fan support has been decent for a team that has always been terrible and never even won a playoff game. Team shouldn't be moved just because they've been bad on the ice.

Isles probably won't stay in Nassau after their lease is up in 2015, but if they do move, it will probably be to Brooklyn. It looks like the groundwork is already being laid for that. Keep in mind that Bettman was an Isles fan growing up. He probably won't want to see that team move out of market.

That leaves Phoenix, and who the hell knows? Depend son how long the league is willing to own the team while they look for an owner.

Don't completely rule out another expansion either. With one team going to QC and one going west to Kansas City or Seattle, both of which have expressed strong interest in getting a team.

Ummm you forgot about the Crew. And osu football.

Expansion would be reeeeeeetarded. Fully. KC has no ownership group willing to cut AEG a check fir use of their arena. Its a similar situation in Seattle, where the owner of the team would not control the arena or parking. t least Seattle has an owner. QC is a shoo in if theres expansion.

Dont tell me NCAA football isnt professional. Follow the money.

I mentioned OSU. But still I think that market is big enough to support the Jackets in addition to OSU.

And no, soccer doesn't count. Even if it did, soccer plays in the summer and doesn't directly compete with the hockey season anyway.

But soccer is like hockey on grass!


Rev.K: there are other locations where making a profit is far, far more likely to happen. Like Quebec City.


Seems to me the only thing standing in their way was a suitable arena, so everyone else in the league has already done the same calculus that you just did.
 
2012-03-26 12:08:32 PM
There may be valid reasons that the current Coyotes franchise is not viable in that market.

But arguments based on climate are dumb. All NHL games (except for Winter Classics) are played in climate-controlled, indoor arenas. All minor hockey is played indoors. All college and high school hockey is played indoors. All midget and bantam and peewee hockey is played indoors. Climate is irrelevant these days, and it is not a barrier.

Emotional appeals to images of pond hockey are just that. How many NHLers from anywhere develop their skills playing pond hockey these days? My guess is basically none. Even if kids in Canada and Minnesota are able to play the odd game of shinny on a pond, they still primarily develop their skills in organized leagues.
 
kab
2012-03-26 12:12:58 PM

fatalvenom:
[i229.photobucket.com image 600x450]


Oh, that's fantastic!!
 
2012-03-26 12:14:14 PM

Doc Daneeka: There may be valid reasons that the current Coyotes franchise is not viable in that market.

But arguments based on climate are dumb. All NHL games (except for Winter Classics) are played in climate-controlled, indoor arenas. All minor hockey is played indoors. All college and high school hockey is played indoors. All midget and bantam and peewee hockey is played indoors. Climate is irrelevant these days, and it is not a barrier.

Emotional appeals to images of pond hockey are just that. How many NHLers from anywhere develop their skills playing pond hockey these days? My guess is basically none. Even if kids in Canada and Minnesota are able to play the odd game of shinny on a pond, they still primarily develop their skills in organized leagues.



Oh stop being so American.
 
rka
2012-03-26 12:19:39 PM

Doc Daneeka: There may be valid reasons that the current Coyotes franchise is not viable in that market.

But arguments based on climate are dumb. All NHL games (except for Winter Classics) are played in climate-controlled, indoor arenas. All minor hockey is played indoors. All college and high school hockey is played indoors. All midget and bantam and peewee hockey is played indoors. Climate is irrelevant these days, and it is not a barrier.

Emotional appeals to images of pond hockey are just that. How many NHLers from anywhere develop their skills playing pond hockey these days? My guess is basically none. Even if kids in Canada and Minnesota are able to play the odd game of shinny on a pond, they still primarily develop their skills in organized leagues.


Cmon now, every Olympics we get Gretzky tearfully reminding everyone that hockey is Canada's game. Don't take that away from them.

But alas, Phoenix has had enough time to figure this out. If it's bad business, it's bad business.
 
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