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(Fox Sports)   Quebec City to start construction on a NHL rink to be completed in time to house the NY Islanders, Florida Panthers, Phoenix Coyotes, New Jersey Devils, Dallas Stars, or Columbus Blue Jackets when they move there   (msn.foxsports.com) divider line 89
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2012-03-26 12:23:25 PM  

animal900: Aar1012: Because when I think hockey....I think Arizona

So professional basketball should only be played in HarlemSpringfield, MA? Is that right, Adolf?


FTFY.
 
2012-03-26 12:34:16 PM  
I'd love to see an NHL team in Quebec again...
 
2012-03-26 12:44:56 PM  

soopey: animal900: Aar1012: Because when I think hockey....I think Arizona

So professional basketball should only be played in HarlemSpringfield, MA Almonte, ON? Is that right, Adolf?

FTFY.


FTFY

/as long as we're going down that road
 
2012-03-26 01:06:09 PM  
Can we contract a half dozen teams now? Please?
 
2012-03-26 01:09:30 PM  
Hockey in warm climates? Wait, basketball season is played during the winter months where there's snow...

HEAD EXPLODE!!!!
 
2012-03-26 01:17:26 PM  

meanmutton: Can we contract a half dozen teams now? Please?


Let me guess. You have no idea that the league has to payout the contracted owners. So that's many millions x6. Good luck with that.

Let's also assume that any of the six teams you have in mind are not in as much trouble as you think. And if one or two of them are (Phoenix) in that much trouble, there are markets ready to take them. (Quebec)

Any other bright ideas?
 
2012-03-26 01:21:25 PM  

Decillion: meanmutton: Can we contract a half dozen teams now? Please?

Let me guess. You have no idea that the league has to payout the contracted owners. So that's many millions x6. Good luck with that.

Let's also assume that any of the six teams you have in mind are not in as much trouble as you think. And if one or two of them are (Phoenix) in that much trouble, there are markets ready to take them. (Quebec)

Any other bright ideas?


I actually am quite aware that the league would have to buy back the contracts. That's why I said "please". I'm also aware that there are markets ready to take some teams.

That doesn't mean we don't have about six teams too many.
 
2012-03-26 01:21:26 PM  

Doc Daneeka: There may be valid reasons that the current Coyotes franchise is not viable in that market.

But arguments based on climate are dumb. All NHL games (except for Winter Classics) are played in climate-controlled, indoor arenas. All minor hockey is played indoors. All college and high school hockey is played indoors. All midget and bantam and peewee hockey is played indoors. Climate is irrelevant these days, and it is not a barrier.

Emotional appeals to images of pond hockey are just that. How many NHLers from anywhere develop their skills playing pond hockey these days? My guess is basically none. Even if kids in Canada and Minnesota are able to play the odd game of shinny on a pond, they still primarily develop their skills in organized leagues.


Nothing to do with nationalism like some people ALWAYS feel the need to make these threads but to think that almost no NHLers played outside on makeshift rinks is being willfully ignorant. I don't know how much it is done across the border but backyard rinks, flooded parks and hell, hockey on the St Lawrence are a common occurrence even today.

Maybe they do this in Minny as well, I couldn't tell ya, but this isn't an emotional appeal about good ol shinny games, it's something damn near every person has done if they were a kid and played hockey.
 
2012-03-26 01:22:21 PM  

Decillion: Any other bright ideas?


If anything the NHL needs to shrink the amount of teams.
 
2012-03-26 01:27:34 PM  

Mr_Ectomy: Doc Daneeka: Seriously though, if anything is "hockey on grass," it's lacrosse.

Um...about that

[img.archiexpo.com image 640x452]


I was teased often for liking hockey while living in Dublin til the one day I saw hurling at Croke park. Seriously fun sport to watch.
 
2012-03-26 01:37:05 PM  

lerxst2112: germ78: I refuse to allow the Florida Panthers to move since they have the best goal calls in all of hockey.

/especially for them to move to a French-speaking city
//blasphemy

A friend of mine showed me these months ago and they are probably the best videos in all of Youtube.


WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!
/my favorite of the bunch
 
2012-03-26 01:38:18 PM  

rka: But alas, Phoenix has had enough time to figure this out. If it's bad business, it's bad business.


Nonsense, the league needs to keep throwing money down a black hole - there's a fanbase just waiting to embrace the Coyotes, you'll see!

Bear in mind, this is a market that barely cares about the Diamondbacks even when they're winning.
 
2012-03-26 01:38:28 PM  

DenisBergkamp: I was teased often for liking hockey while living in Dublin til the one day I saw hurling at Croke park. Seriously fun sport to watch.


Indeed, it is... There are a number of amateur leagues in the Boston area, too. (Also other areas with large Paddy populations, too, I would imagine)

Up the Dubs!

www.hoganstand.com
 
2012-03-26 01:38:34 PM  

meanmutton: Decillion: meanmutton: Can we contract a half dozen teams now? Please?

Let me guess. You have no idea that the league has to payout the contracted owners. So that's many millions x6. Good luck with that.

Let's also assume that any of the six teams you have in mind are not in as much trouble as you think. And if one or two of them are (Phoenix) in that much trouble, there are markets ready to take them. (Quebec)

Any other bright ideas?

I actually am quite aware that the league would have to buy back the contracts. That's why I said "please". I'm also aware that there are markets ready to take some teams.

That doesn't mean we don't have about six teams too many.


I think it's just not the correct 30 markets. 30 teams in the right places is fine. The problem is the NHL expanded too fast while at the same time moving 4 franchises.

Look at MLB. A slower build up. Do they really need Colorado, Arizona and Florida? Maybe not, but why not expand your market? 3 more states now have a generation growing up going to games.
 
2012-03-26 01:40:51 PM  

DenisBergkamp: d often for liking hockey while living in Dublin til the one day I saw hurling at Croke park. Seriously fun sport to watch.


I lived in Dublin for about 5 years and got a good friend of mine into hockey while he got me into Hurling and Gaelic Football...

He works in a Club in Temple Bar, and he's set up a "Boston Bruins Shrine" behind the bar with all the crap I've sent him over the years.
 
2012-03-26 01:44:39 PM  
The mistake the Coyotes made was building the arena so far outside of town. The only way you're going to pull in a lot of people to games in Arizona is by getting the crowd who just wants something to do for a few hours during a night out on the town. Building the arena thirty minutes outside of downtown precludes those people and also kills your own visibility in the area.

Columbus did it right. There's an entire part of downtown centered around the arena, and they've got Blue Jackets shiat plastered everywhere. You can't miss it, so even if you could not give a single fark about hockey you still know if you want something to do downtown that you can just go get tickets on the cheap. They made the Blue Jackets part of the Columbus experience despite the fact that the team sucks and nobody there played hockey a decade ago.
 
2012-03-26 01:48:43 PM  

keylock71: DenisBergkamp: d often for liking hockey while living in Dublin til the one day I saw hurling at Croke park. Seriously fun sport to watch.

I lived in Dublin for about 5 years and got a good friend of mine into hockey while he got me into Hurling and Gaelic Football...

He works in a Club in Temple Bar, and he's set up a "Boston Bruins Shrine" behind the bar with all the crap I've sent him over the years.


Hah awesome. The only place I could watch a damn hockey game was the Woolshed on Parnell st since their sky sports package carried some of it. Don't quite understand why more of them wouldn't get into it.

Weirdest experience is being all bleary eyed and thinking I was seeing kids play street hockey until I got close enough to notice the Hurling sticks. What's your buddies bar called?
 
2012-03-26 01:56:32 PM  

DenisBergkamp: Weirdest experience is being all bleary eyed and thinking I was seeing kids play street hockey until I got close enough to notice the Hurling sticks. What's your buddies bar called?


It's called "The Rock Bar" (yeah, crap name), I believe it's in one of the hotels, but I can't remember which one.

I lived there from '94-'99, and got to see Dublin win the All Ireland. Almost as much fun as seeing the Cup parade in Boston last Summer.
 
2012-03-26 02:10:59 PM  

change1211: Panthers


Piss off and lay your hands off my Panthers.
 
2012-03-26 02:28:32 PM  

germ78: I refuse to allow the Florida Panthers to move since they have the best goal calls in all of hockey.

/especially for them to move to a French-speaking city
//blasphemy


Thank you for tear-inducing laughter today, I didn't know about this.
 
2012-03-26 03:10:17 PM  

DenisBergkamp: Doc Daneeka: There may be valid reasons that the current Coyotes franchise is not viable in that market.

But arguments based on climate are dumb. All NHL games (except for Winter Classics) are played in climate-controlled, indoor arenas. All minor hockey is played indoors. All college and high school hockey is played indoors. All midget and bantam and peewee hockey is played indoors. Climate is irrelevant these days, and it is not a barrier.

Emotional appeals to images of pond hockey are just that. How many NHLers from anywhere develop their skills playing pond hockey these days? My guess is basically none. Even if kids in Canada and Minnesota are able to play the odd game of shinny on a pond, they still primarily develop their skills in organized leagues.

Nothing to do with nationalism like some people ALWAYS feel the need to make these threads but to think that almost no NHLers played outside on makeshift rinks is being willfully ignorant. I don't know how much it is done across the border but backyard rinks, flooded parks and hell, hockey on the St Lawrence are a common occurrence even today.

Maybe they do this in Minny as well, I couldn't tell ya, but this isn't an emotional appeal about good ol shinny games, it's something damn near every person has done if they were a kid and played hockey.


You misunderstood my point. Read it again.

The point was, even though kids in northern climates are able to play shinny on ponds and backyard rinks, that's irrelevant. It's not necessary. Because no matter where they are located (including Canada), players primarily develop their skills in organized leagues. All of which take place in indoor rinks.
 
2012-03-26 03:28:09 PM  

Doc Daneeka: There may be valid reasons that the current Coyotes franchise is not viable in that market.

But arguments based on climate are dumb. All NHL games (except for Winter Classics) are played in climate-controlled, indoor arenas. All minor hockey is played indoors. All college and high school hockey is played indoors. All midget and bantam and peewee hockey is played indoors. Climate is irrelevant these days, and it is not a barrier.

Emotional appeals to images of pond hockey are just that. How many NHLers from anywhere develop their skills playing pond hockey these days? My guess is basically none. Even if kids in Canada and Minnesota are able to play the odd game of shinny on a pond, they still primarily develop their skills in organized leagues.


The Winter "Classic" will be the first 2 point game any player has ever played outdoors.

Canada is down to just a very few leagues who play outdoors, and they are exclusively house leagues and most (all?) are in cities cold enough to maintain ice but warm enough so kids aren't playing in -20C weather. I know of only one league which is exclusively outdoors.

Everything else is indoors and has been for a long time.
 
2012-03-26 03:42:41 PM  

TheJoe03: The NHL would be so God damn stupid if they moved the Stars, especially now that they are out of the Tom Hicks bankruptcy era


Lulz; Tom Hicks. There's a two-bit Texas turd for you.

Farked up on the Rangers, Stars AND Liverpool Football Club. Then when the banks seized LFC he was going to sue everybody and their dead ancestors for losing the club. Haven't heard anything on that front yet; probably because if he were to sue, his books are probably so cooked he'd face all sorts of lawsuits/criminal actions here in the States.

Fark Tom Hicks, that is all. XD
 
2012-03-26 03:49:03 PM  

dallylamma: Phoenix makes the most sense, for the financial reasons and because it's a western team moving into the east allowing Winnipeg to bump into the west.

Also, Winnipeg and Quebec could do a paper franchise swap, allowing Winnipeg to get the old Jets franchise history and logos back.


Wouldn't be too bad of an idea. Still dig the current Jets logo.
 
2012-03-26 03:50:10 PM  

Doc Daneeka: You misunderstood my point. Read it again.

The point was, even though kids in northern climates are able to play shinny on ponds and backyard rinks, that's irrelevant. It's not necessary. Because no matter where they are located (including Canada), players primarily develop their skills in organized leagues. All of which take place in indoor rinks.


Not saying Marc Staal learned to play on his dads backyard rink and only that, simply pointing out the actual use of recreational hockey outside of rinks. The good ol shinny game culture isn't just a feel good story, it's the result of personal or community effort to give kids a chance to play for free.

Climate isn't irrelevant just because it isn't used for peewee hockey games etc. The argument that hockey can do well in cities that don't have the climate for it is true, I'm not debating that and Nashville/San Jose is leading the way as a good example.

Climate isn't irrelevant, it is a barrier to entry more than a city like Montreal or Ottawa where outdoor rinks or frozen rivers are a dime a dozen. Warm weather cities need to look to other successful warm weather cities and follow that model because it can work its just a higher mountain to climb.
 
2012-03-26 03:55:07 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: rka: But alas, Phoenix has had enough time to figure this out. If it's bad business, it's bad business.

Nonsense, the league needs to keep throwing money down a black hole - there's a fanbase just waiting to embrace the Coyotes, you'll see!

Bear in mind, this is a market that barely cares about the Diamondbacks even when they're winning.


This. Cardinals football? Sold Out. The Suns (when they're competitive)? Sold Out. The D'Backs and 'Yotes? Child please.

If they can figure a way out of that ridiculous lease deal, the NHL would sell the 'Yotes to either Hamilton or QC ownership ASAP.

The D'Backs, probably the only city in NA that would want a MLB franchise would probably be...Montreal.
 
2012-03-26 04:47:09 PM  

Rwa2play: The D'Backs, probably the only city in NA that would want a MLB franchise would probably be...Montreal.


If only...I still sport my Expos hat with pride!
 
2012-03-26 05:10:40 PM  

Rwa2play: The D'Backs, probably the only city in NA that would want a MLB franchise would probably be...Montreal.


You leave my diamondbacks the fark alone. They were middle of the pack last year in attendance. They also had a really good team and stable ownership. They're not going anywhere.
 
2012-03-26 05:32:07 PM  
 
2012-03-26 05:35:00 PM  
Anyone going to be watching tonight's Canucks/Kings game? Pretty big game for the Kings if they hope to make the playoffs.
 
2012-03-26 05:35:15 PM  

Rwa2play: dallylamma: Phoenix makes the most sense, for the financial reasons and because it's a western team moving into the east allowing Winnipeg to bump into the west.

Also, Winnipeg and Quebec could do a paper franchise swap, allowing Winnipeg to get the old Jets franchise history and logos back.

Wouldn't be too bad of an idea. Still dig the current Jets logo.


Their current uni's are fine...it would just allow the franchise history to be consistent. Right now the Coyotes team/franchise info and records includes everything for the Winnipeg Jets V1.0 and the Winnipeg Jets V2.0 team/franchise info and records includes the Atlanta Thrashers.

A swap would consolidate the two Jets franchises giving the Jets a solid history from 1972-96 Winnipeg, 1997-2013 Phoenix and 2013-Current Winnipeg.
 
2012-03-26 05:35:45 PM  

fatalvenom: Heh....I just got a pretty good laugh out of this (new window)


Ah chara's jersey being shrunk in the wash, so simple but so funny.
 
2012-03-26 06:02:30 PM  
The problem is Arizona is filled with old people from other cities like Chicago that would rather follow their home teams like the hawks. Baseball, hockey, doesn't matter. Nobody cared about the Cardinals until Kurt Warner started winning.
 
2012-03-26 06:20:39 PM  

Kanaric: The problem is Arizona is filled with old people from other cities like Chicago that would rather follow their home teams like the hawks. Baseball, hockey, doesn't matter. Nobody cared about the Cardinals until Kurt Warner started winning.


Seriously, shut the fark up. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
 
2012-03-26 08:18:25 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: rka: But alas, Phoenix has had enough time to figure this out. If it's bad business, it's bad business.

Nonsense, the league needs to keep throwing money down a black hole - there's a fanbase just waiting to embrace the Coyotes, you'll see!

Bear in mind, this is a market that barely cares about the Diamondbacks even when they're winning.


I think the Coyotes are headed to Seattle about 10 minutes after their last playoff game, and I suspect that's been a done deal for a while.

They'd lose 12 to 15 million a year playing at the Key, which is about half what they lose now. In 3 or 4 years they'll have a brand new arena to move into.
 
2012-03-26 08:26:54 PM  

MFAWG: Yanks_RSJ: rka: But alas, Phoenix has had enough time to figure this out. If it's bad business, it's bad business.

Nonsense, the league needs to keep throwing money down a black hole - there's a fanbase just waiting to embrace the Coyotes, you'll see!

Bear in mind, this is a market that barely cares about the Diamondbacks even when they're winning.

I think the Coyotes are headed to Seattle about 10 minutes after their last playoff game, and I suspect that's been a done deal for a while.

They'd lose 12 to 15 million a year playing at the Key, which is about half what they lose now. In 3 or 4 years they'll have a brand new arena to move into.


A Seattle ownership group ain't paying the $200 million that it would cost to make the NHL whole from the Phoenix fiasco. Quebec City is the only town that would be willing to pay that.
 
2012-03-26 08:37:48 PM  

fatalvenom: Heh....I just got a pretty good laugh out of this (new window)


It's good... Jack hugging the bear and the little Chara sweater were great.
 
2012-03-26 10:29:35 PM  
If you have the Bruins mobile app on your phone you can watch part 1. The bear and Marchand are playing what I'm assuming is NHL 2012 on PS3 and Jack is standing next to them calling their game.
 
2012-03-26 11:23:57 PM  
15yrs ago today
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