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2012-03-25 12:09:44 PM  
Mid 20s C have now been replaced with 10 C

what us the scary tag for?! the historic heat is gone
 
2012-03-25 12:14:31 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Julieahni: I bet all the igloos melted.

Not all the igloos! Even Canada's National Igloo (new window)!?

NOOOOOOO!


Heh.

They're gonna have to spend a lot of Loonies, Toonies, and Woodies to replace that.
 
2012-03-25 12:14:43 PM  
Meanwhile we've had fariking snow in in Portland in the last week. I'd like a little unseasonable warmth right now.
 
2012-03-25 12:16:31 PM  
As I understand it the earth has experienced eras that were both much warmer and much colder than it is now and this was before we started burning fossil fuels.

If the earth is getting warmer and if we are helping the process along, so what? Why is it such a horrible thing?

Clean air, I am for it. Clean up the water, sure thing. Protect animals? I will vote for that too. I just don't see the point in trying to prevent the earth's temperature from changing. It has happened before and more than likely we will adapt.
 
2012-03-25 12:19:17 PM  

Julie Cochrane: Climate change is inevitable. Lay back and think of England.


THIS

two thumbs up
 
2012-03-25 12:20:05 PM  
go Canada!
 
2012-03-25 12:20:51 PM  
27.media.tumblr.com
Yep, gonna be another fun summer in Texas. Enjoy the small bits of rain while it last kids cause Epic Draught 2 no-Electric Boogaloo is about to hit :D

/hoping we all die.
 
2012-03-25 12:21:14 PM  

OnlyM3: * You can't be responsible for the deaths of millions by banning products (based on no scientific evidence), that could have saved those lives. But hey those were brown people, so it doesn't matter, right?


You can't go on repeating wingnut lies and expect to be taken seriously. DDT isn't banned from public health use. The relevant treaty is the Stockholm Convention, and it specifically exempts the use of DDT to control disease vectors. China and India continue to use it, and account for roughly half the world's population between them. Some ban!

i228.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-25 12:22:36 PM  
Is this the thread where the climate change deniers claim humans can't possibly have an affect on the planet because of God or it's so big or something like that?


Three Gorges Dam changes Earth's tilt



Biggest hydrogen bomb ever rival's sun's power efficiency


Book of Genesis says God gave the Earth to Man to watch over. We're not doing so good a job.
 
2012-03-25 12:27:03 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: An Idiot: What humanity has been doing for at least 20,000 years is conducting an experiment with our own atmosphere that, if left unchecked, will move us into a position where we would be hotter than the surface of Venus.

No it hasn't. Venus has a surface pressure 90 times larger than Earth's. There are things other than the greenhouse effect that influence surface temperature.


Besides which, Earth has never in its history gotten locked into its "greenhouse" state when a continent has been sitting on its south pole.

Also, it's never happened since the Himalayas rose, cutting off a major air current (iirc).

We cannot end up like Mars any time soon because Earth is tectonically active--among other reasons (that we're not Mars, ferinstance)

Earth oscillates between greenhouse Earth and ice age Earth. Currently, we're in ice age Earth, in the middle of an interglacial. We can get warmer in our little interglacial, but we cannot get locked into greenhouse Earth----because Antarctica is on the south pole and the Himalayas are tall.

The real risk of AGW---the one where I've heard a catastrophe scenario I can believe---is that fresh water from melting polar ice could shut down the gulf stream and trigger a premature end to the present interglacial.

The thing is, it's still a lot like other big apocalyptic scenarios. It's highly unlikely, and by the time you can confirm it was in process, it would be too late to do anything about it.

That's the one that if the models improved by enough to count it as very likely, before it started happening, and that you actually could prevent it by action, would actually be big enough to be worth taking drastic action.

But eventually humanity is going to have to face the end of our interglacial. We're going to need highly advanced technology to navigate that change. And it's going to be a "permanent" change. Once the present interglacial ends, Earth will be ice age Earth for the permanent future of humanity as we know it.

We either go to the stars, we genetically modify ourselves, we adapt to a much reduced population on Earth, we dramatically modify the Earth to permanently warm the climate, or some combination of the above. Or we go extinct and don't have to worry about it.

In the end, if we want to stay happily living on Earth in a population numbering in the billions, deliberate and sustained AGW may well be our only hope.

It stuns me that most people who are not members of a "Judgment Day" religion seem to on some level still have this "End of the World" mentality where they just assume that humanity will go extinct on a roughly judgement day type timeline. Why? Ginko trees are still around. So are magnolia trees, coelecanths, and trilobites. Why not us?

I mean sure, we may all DIAF as a species. But we might live for hundreds of millions of years. Since the interglacial has a maximum of maybe 20k years left on it, and more likely just a couple of k, and it's going to be a lot easier to cope with something like that with high tech----um...let's go for the goretex, shall we?
 
2012-03-25 12:28:39 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: An Idiot: What humanity has been doing for at least 20,000 years is conducting an experiment with our own atmosphere that, if left unchecked, will move us into a position where we would be hotter than the surface of Venus.

No it hasn't. Venus has a surface pressure 90 times larger than Earth's. There are things other than the greenhouse effect that influence surface temperature.


What came first - the high atmospheric pressure or temperature? There's 90 times the carbon in our atmosphere locked in rocks.
 
2012-03-25 12:34:01 PM  

LordZorch: And the rest of the world is experiencing record cold.


Not in my corner of Europe we don't. 71 degrees Fahrenheit today. Average high for this period is around 56.

Badgers: Meanwhile, not so long ago, in Europe, people were turning into icicles...

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]


* checks profile *
Location: Netherlands

Minus 10 Celsius is cold? Allow me to point, laugh and throw frozen snowballs in your general direction.
This winter was cold in Eastern Europe, but nothing new really. We got a TON of snow though, which was unusual.
 
2012-03-25 12:35:13 PM  
PANIC PANIC PANIC Run in the streets, scream! Dogs & cats living together in sin, global warming! We're all gonna die!
In the 70's, NASA (N)eed (A)nother (S)even (A)stronauts said we were headed for a mini ice age because it was so cold. Dunderheads never thing about the SUN because they are too busy trying to run our lives.
 
2012-03-25 12:36:35 PM  
Fark it, I hope Earth warms to the point of mass extinction. Then there will be no argument.
 
2012-03-25 12:36:46 PM  
Out of all the people who are against building nuclear power plants, how many are pro-warmers vs. deniers? That is a serious question. Our battery tech is growing at a rate where we could conceivably switch from the internal combustion engine to all-electrics over the next decade or so. The only problem with that is generating that much extra electricity. Nuclear is a proven way to do that, but it is fought against because of environmental concerns. Windmills are killing birds. Geothermal is limited. The population keeps growing. Where is the extra energy gonna come from? Telling people they need to ride their bike instead of driving is a non-stater. We need more energy in the future. The only technology we currently have that can produce that energy in the abundance we need, and doesn't produce CO2, is Nuclear. Push that instead of "ride your bike" and even the staunchest of AGW denier can't argue with your solution.
 
2012-03-25 12:40:12 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Sgygus: Blame Canada.

This is our revenge for your goddamn requirement at the border for passports and the surrender of privacy, because you are so goddamn freaky paranoid about those SCARY TERRISTS sneaking across the border.

If only we had a PM with the balls to stand up to Washington instead of the presidential wannabe we have.


I'm no Harper fan, but what should he do? Threaten military action if the US continues to make us show passports? It's their border, they can control it as they please.
 
2012-03-25 12:41:39 PM  

MithrandirBooga: What the fark do you think is going to happen when global warming causes massive amounts of famine across the world? Look at what's already started in the middle east. You think that's people finally getting sick of their leaders? Not at all. Food scarcity has risen in recent years and finally increased the price of food to beyond what they can afford.

We are lucky here and have so much disposable income that rising food costs merely make us biatch when we get home from the supermarket. But things are going to change. Our disposable incomes are running out.

So, the alternatives are:

1) mandate more efficient light bulbs and cars, aka "fascism".
2) massive amount of riots, starvation, and anarchy when food becomes too scarce to feed all the people on the planet.


I prefer option #1, personally. But continue being a drama queen and complain that Obama is taking away your right to wastefully illuminate your abode.


Um....dude? The US used to export grain all around the world to feed people. They called the midwestern US "the world's bread basket."

Have you looked at how much ethanol is going into American cars and where it's coming from?

Only spoiled-ass, rich Westerners (world culture, not western US) would think it was a good idea to burn food.

It's not that food isn't growing. Places all across Australia that used to grow rice have been plowed up and had vinyards planted because there's more money in wine than in rice. So starving people have no rice.

All over the world, places that used to plant grain to feed the poor either plant something else or the grain goes for some other use. There have been some really bad harvests, but that's not the whole story---not by a long shot.

I think energy policy is broken. I just think attitudes like yours are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Kudos to you for riding your bike--good for your health and all that. Bad on ya for shaming and blaming others---it's not helping.
 
2012-03-25 12:42:34 PM  
My heater didn't come on until midnight last night.

/Bring it on!

MarkEC: Out of all the people who are against building nuclear power plants, how many are pro-warmers vs. deniers?


Did someone forget what happened in Japan last year?
 
2012-03-25 12:44:47 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: JewZeppy: So you're saying there are no people in the world, other than US citizens, who disagree about the existence of AGW?

There is no significant debate anywhere else but the USA. Look it up.


Science is rejected by religious fanatics. That obviously includes America, but other such populations exist elsewhere in the world. Look it up.
 
2012-03-25 12:44:51 PM  

ontariolightning: Mid 20s C have now been replaced with 10 C

what us the scary tag for?! the historic heat is gone


Mid 20s C on Thursday to 5C right now and a high of 1C expected for tomorrow. It was nice while it lasted.
 
2012-03-25 12:45:10 PM  

Daraymann: My heater didn't come on until midnight last night.

/Bring it on!

MarkEC: Out of all the people who are against building nuclear power plants, how many are pro-warmers vs. deniers?

Did someone forget what happened in Japan last year?


And why are we not looking more at tidal power? I know almost nothing about it, but to essentially be getting power from THE MOON just seems like a farking cool idea.
 
2012-03-25 12:47:42 PM  

Daraymann: My heater didn't come on until midnight last night.

/Bring it on!

MarkEC: Out of all the people who are against building nuclear power plants, how many are pro-warmers vs. deniers?

Did someone forget what happened in Japan last year?


Comparing those reactors to what we know we can build now scares you? Did we not learn what steps to take to avoid that kind of problem in the future? Accidents like that teach important lessons for future construction, not that we should abandon the technology.
 
2012-03-25 12:48:42 PM  

smells_like_meat: So when it unseasonably warm, weather is a good indicator of climate change or global warming. So when its unseasonably cold, as it has been for the last few winters until now, weather is irrelevant and no indication of anything at all. OK, I get it.


www.pappasontaxes.com
 
2012-03-25 12:49:53 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: Herb Utsmelz: JewZeppy: So you're saying there are no people in the world, other than US citizens, who disagree about the existence of AGW?

There is no significant debate anywhere else but the USA. Look it up.

Science is rejected by religious fanatics. That obviously includes America, but other such populations exist elsewhere in the world. Look it up.


As much as I loath to consider such fools as significant, perhaps you're right. I should reconsider that word.
 
2012-03-25 12:50:29 PM  

MarkEC: Out of all the people who are against building nuclear power plants, how many are pro-warmers vs. deniers? That is a serious question. Our battery tech is growing at a rate where we could conceivably switch from the internal combustion engine to all-electrics over the next decade or so. The only problem with that is generating that much extra electricity. Nuclear is a proven way to do that, but it is fought against because of environmental concerns. Windmills are killing birds. Geothermal is limited. The population keeps growing. Where is the extra energy gonna come from? Telling people they need to ride their bike instead of driving is a non-stater. We need more energy in the future. The only technology we currently have that can produce that energy in the abundance we need, and doesn't produce CO2, is Nuclear. Push that instead of "ride your bike" and even the staunchest of AGW denier can't argue with your solution.


Your statement about batteries seems overly-optimistic. Like the new photovoltaic cells that sound awesome but continue to be, "just a few years away." Modern windmill dynamos don't kill birds (any more than skyscrapers) but a handful of dumb hippies and a whole lot of anti-greens (no really, there are people who hate "green" for the sake of hating, it's weird). Nuclear isn't environmental concerns, it's NIMBY concerns. Everybody wants that nuke plant in another state so they can enjoy the cheaper juice but are afraid of having flipper babies because the corporate media wants Americans to be afraid of EVERYTHING.

And "we need more energy, telling people to ride their bike," is NOT a non-starter. We do not hav unlimited oil, nor do we have unlimited uranium. Developing new energy (including nuclear) is not a bad idea, but we have to, HAVE TO continue pushing for more energy efficiency and greater conservation. Hell we could do a shiatload just by modernizing the US powergrid.
 
2012-03-25 12:53:51 PM  

zarberg: Is this the thread where the climate change deniers claim humans can't possibly have an affect on the planet because of God or it's so big or something like that?


Three Gorges Dam changes Earth's tilt


Biggest hydrogen bomb ever rival's sun's power efficiency

Book of Genesis says God gave the Earth to Man to watch over. We're not doing so good a job.


It also says in the same book you just referenced; So long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night shall not cease.
 
2012-03-25 12:54:28 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: Herb Utsmelz: JewZeppy: So you're saying there are no people in the world, other than US citizens, who disagree about the existence of AGW?

There is no significant debate anywhere else but the USA. Look it up.

Science is rejected by religious fanatics. That obviously includes America, but other such populations exist elsewhere in the world. Look it up.


It isn't only religious fanatics who disagree with agw, far from it, but you're right, disagreement can be found everywhere.
 
2012-03-25 12:57:36 PM  

JewZeppy: MayoBoy: MithrandirBooga: I sold my car and ride my bicycle everywhere now. It's not hard. You're just being lazy and/or making excuses

When I'm carrying a 14' piece of 8" x 4/4 oak to a job site to replace the stair skirtboard, would you suggest that I carry it over the handlebars perpendicular to the bike or ride one handed and balance it on my shoulder?


Will you be going through any doorways?


Not successfully, anyway.
 
2012-03-25 12:59:38 PM  

Warthog: Is it wrong to derive so much enjoyment from trolling global warming threads?


Reverse double-entendre sarcasm is subject to be taken as heart-felt sincerity on fark. For example: in this post are you actually revealing that you are suffering miserable feelings of despondency and frustration by failing in your trolling endeavors?
 
2012-03-25 01:02:11 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: chuckufarlie: You truly are an amazing idiot.

You, not so much.


Oh, I don't know. You said there was no significant argument and I provided evidence that you are a liar. Your response was uneducated and immature. That sounds like an idiot to me.
 
2012-03-25 01:03:21 PM  

Daraymann: My heater didn't come on until midnight last night.

/Bring it on!

MarkEC: Out of all the people who are against building nuclear power plants, how many are pro-warmers vs. deniers?

Did someone forget what happened in Japan last year?


The plant in Japan was a very antiquated design that isn't used anymore, and the particular points of failure in Japan shows why that design isn't used anymore.

Specifically, the control rods in the Japanese plant came up from the bottom. This mean that when the emergency power to raise the control rods failed, the shutdown of the reactor failed, and Very Bad Things happened.

All modern reactors have the control rods lower from the top. If the emergency power to lower the control rods fails, the rods can be cranked down into the reactor manually---and by that yes, I mean physically cranked down by human muscle power.

That means in an extreme event like the Japanese catastrophe, no matter what happens, as long as you can get somebody in there somehow, you can shut the farking reactor the fark down.

There are more changes and updates in reactor engineering---there's a lot of technological progress that's been made since the 1970's (Fukushima was old technology---iirc it was '70's era).

Even though the US hasn't been building reactors for the civilian electrical generation market, Europe has, and the US has been building a lot of reactors for nuclear powered military vessels. The state of the art has advanced considerably in 40 farking years.

I guess one advantage of the long hiatus in US construction is that whatever new reactors we approve will be brand spanking new and have all the benefits of lessons learned. It's much more mature technology than it used to be.
 
2012-03-25 01:07:55 PM  

Warthog: The worst thing Al Gore ever did was call it Global Warming. Global Climate Change is more correct. Basically the climate's busted, with increasingly variable consequences on weather. Sometimes it's going to be hotter than it should. Sometimes it's going to be colder. The transitions are going to be more violent, like tornado outbreaks in February in the U.S. while you have entire countries snowed to a halt in Eastern Europe in the same winter.

Any 6th grade knows that if you throw bleach into a gold fish tank, the fish die.
And that same 6th grader knows that if you smoke in a tiny room, the air becomes hard to breathe.

Why do so many 'educated' adults insist that even though we've had 200 years of factories and power plants and car and planes belching exhaust into the air and runoff into the water, it can't and won't have had any impact on the atmosphere?

But there's nothing to see here, please move along.


this person will belive anything
 
2012-03-25 01:09:30 PM  

smells_like_meat: So when it unseasonably warm, weather is a good indicator of climate change or global warming. So when its unseasonably cold, as it has been for the last few winters until now, weather is irrelevant and no indication of anything at all. OK, I get it.


Or as most climate scientists will tell you, when you have ever widening extremes in weather, that is an indication that your shiats farked yo.
 
2012-03-25 01:09:32 PM  

Joe boater: zarberg: Is this the thread where the climate change deniers claim humans can't possibly have an affect on the planet because of God or it's so big or something like that?


Three Gorges Dam changes Earth's tilt


Biggest hydrogen bomb ever rival's sun's power efficiency

Book of Genesis says God gave the Earth to Man to watch over. We're not doing so good a job.

It also says in the same book you just referenced; So long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night shall not cease.


So that precludes man farking the place up and making it so the Earth doesn't endure? I don't think "endures" simply means "stays coherent as a ball of rock"
 
2012-03-25 01:09:38 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: Mambo Bananapatch: Herb Utsmelz: JewZeppy: So you're saying there are no people in the world, other than US citizens, who disagree about the existence of AGW?

There is no significant debate anywhere else but the USA. Look it up.

Science is rejected by religious fanatics. That obviously includes America, but other such populations exist elsewhere in the world. Look it up.

As much as I loath to consider such fools as significant, perhaps you're right. I should reconsider that word.


Herb, they are indeed fools, but it is not their stupidity that makes them significant. It's their numbers.
 
2012-03-25 01:11:26 PM  
this thread:

DERP
 
2012-03-25 01:15:38 PM  

capt.hollister: It isn't only religious fanatics who disagree with agw, far from it, but you're right, disagreement can be found everywhere.


Mambo Bananapatch: Herb, they are indeed fools, but it is not their stupidity that makes them significant. It's their numbers.


And every single one of them believes their politics, gut feelings, or paranoia are worthy of taking on the scientific community.
 
2012-03-25 01:16:20 PM  

zarberg: Joe boater: zarberg: Is this the thread where the climate change deniers claim humans can't possibly have an affect on the planet because of God or it's so big or something like that?


Three Gorges Dam changes Earth's tilt


Biggest hydrogen bomb ever rival's sun's power efficiency

Book of Genesis says God gave the Earth to Man to watch over. We're not doing so good a job.

It also says in the same book you just referenced; So long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night shall not cease.

So that precludes man farking the place up and making it so the Earth doesn't endure? I don't think "endures" simply means "stays coherent as a ball of rock"


Isnt everyone supposed to wake up and reign on earth with messiah forever? Forever seems like a longtime to me.

Id choose a different route and bring religion into the argument.
 
2012-03-25 01:17:30 PM  

capt.hollister: Mambo Bananapatch: Herb Utsmelz: JewZeppy: So you're saying there are no people in the world, other than US citizens, who disagree about the existence of AGW?

There is no significant debate anywhere else but the USA. Look it up.

Science is rejected by religious fanatics. That obviously includes America, but other such populations exist elsewhere in the world. Look it up.

It isn't only religious fanatics who disagree with agw, far from it, but you're right, disagreement can be found everywhere.


True enough. I myself was a committed climate change skeptic (ok, denier). However, as a non-religious person, I was able to be convinced that what I previously believed was incorrect.

For the most part, deeply religious people see any challenge to their faith as an opportunity to strengthen it, and steadfastly refuse to engage in the kind of critical thinking that leads to the truth, or at least knowledge.

So it's true that you don't have to be religious to be a climate change denier, but if you are, you will almost certainly remain so.
 
2012-03-25 01:17:59 PM  

chuckufarlie: uneducated and immature.


See my post before this one. Dumbass.
 
2012-03-25 01:20:13 PM  

Joe boater: Isnt everyone supposed to wake up and reign on earth with messiah forever? Forever seems like a longtime to me.

Id choose a different route and bring religion into the argument.


I think the most amazing part of all this is that you can type so many letters and really say nothing at all.
 
2012-03-25 01:23:47 PM  
Some people still believe the Earth is thousands of years old.
The concept of evolution is too far advanced for them.
Now you hit them with climate change stuff?
1 step at a time.
 
2012-03-25 01:24:55 PM  

Daraymann: My heater didn't come on until midnight last night.

/Bring it on!

MarkEC: Out of all the people who are against building nuclear power plants, how many are pro-warmers vs. deniers?

Did someone forget what happened in Japan last year?


You're right, destroying the gulf coast to fetch oil is a MUCH better idea.
 
2012-03-25 01:28:04 PM  
How do things usually work out for other species in petri dishes? (someone ought to cobble together `Earth At Night' putative Sat. shots for 1000-1900CE - got one for 1999-2000?).

Not like we couldn't leave this shiat to the academics if we wanted to - they could work out a more leisurely path to the border of the `bowl'.

What we could be doing - been paid for done and ignored - (and yes, with enough ELEC. CO2 can be captured from atmosphere and transformed into synfuel):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_Breeder_Reactor_II

What we are getting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents

Primate species usually hang around for how long before extinction?

/collect silicified Lepidodendron, when I get a chance, from the remains of Paleozoic forest that once infested what is now the Central portion of the Stable Interior Craton of the NAC.
//we come-we go
 
2012-03-25 01:28:11 PM  
The sun is expanding!
The sun is expanding!

It is going to engulf the planet!

We are doomed!

 
2012-03-25 01:29:22 PM  

Howlin Mad Murphy: Fark it, I hope Earth warms to the point of mass extinction. Then there will be no argument.


This As a species, we're too stupid to live anyway. Instead of using our big brains to enrich our environment, we're deliberately destroying it for $$$$.
 
2012-03-25 01:34:48 PM  

hudef: Warthog: hudef: A glorious spring here in Florida, unaffected by global warming. Suck it haters!

I wish I could print that on a T-shirt, offer it up for free at every Walmart in Florida, and then send anyone seen wearing it to a detention camp -- for both their own good and ours.

/don't care if you're trolling. Sad fact is lots of people agree with you.

Not all global warmers are repressed fascists like you, but many are. Like I said: suck it!


"Global Warmers?" WTF?

You mean pro-science?
 
2012-03-25 01:37:23 PM  

smells_like_meat: So when it unseasonably warm, weather is a good indicator of climate change or global warming. So when its unseasonably cold, as it has been for the last few winters until now, weather is irrelevant and no indication of anything at all. OK, I get it.


Uh, headline didn't mention climate change at all, and didn't say anything about these temperatures being proof (they're not) of global warming.


Smells_like_idiot_troll more like it.
 
2012-03-25 01:39:19 PM  

Mock26: The sun is expanding!
The sun is expanding!

It is going to engulf the planet!

We are doomed!


If the sun were expanding wouldn't that, in the short term, mean that we would experience *lower* peak temperatures? (i.e. energy output constant, but from a larger area, would mean less energy at any given point)
 
2012-03-25 01:40:50 PM  

chuckufarlie: MrBallou: smells_like_meat: So when it unseasonably warm, weather is a good indicator of climate change or global warming. So when its unseasonably cold, as it has been for the last few winters until now, weather is irrelevant and no indication of anything at all. OK, I get it.

Troll snack:
Badly disrupted weather weather patterns are a very good indicator of climate change. Be prepared for major changes in global agriculture in the next few decades, dumbass. Enjoy your famine.

There is no reason to believe that a warming climate would cause food shortages. In fact, history shows us that the opposite it true (medieval warming period). It opens new areas for farming, it lengthens the growing season and in many areas will allow for two crops per year.

DUMBASS!


It's about water, fella.

Too much infrastructure and economic dependence is in place for there not to be fantastic disruptions in your scenario. Imagine America's Bread Basket becoming a desert. Sure Northern Mexico might end up wetter, so, in theory, wheat and corn growing could move there. How would the "put a fence on the border" people feel about that?

Anyway, double dumbass on you. Willful ignorance is willful.
 
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