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2012-03-24 11:05:01 AM  
Headline of the year?
 
2012-03-24 11:13:01 AM  
As a Brewers fan, I am a huge fan of Attanasio
 
2012-03-24 11:13:10 AM  
media.zenfs.com
 
2012-03-24 11:31:59 AM  
Caught sayof?
 
2012-03-24 11:35:39 AM  
Eh, they're still in the National League. Good luck to them, but I'll stick with my White Sox.

/we're so, so screwed this year
/sob
 
2012-03-24 11:56:11 AM  

JosephFinn: Eh, they're still in the National League. Good luck to them, but I'll stick with my White Sox.

/we're so, so screwed this year
/sob


Brewers look really good this year, too. Cubbies - not so much.

At least we don't have Adam Dunn to worry about.
 
2012-03-24 11:57:38 AM  
Sorry Brewers, it's the Reds year in the Central.


...Just like it was supposed to be for the past 22 years, but I have a feeling this year is really the year.
 
2012-03-24 12:03:45 PM  

machoprogrammer: As a Brewers fan, I am a huge fan of Attanasio


Not just the fans, the players LOVE him too. From player who left to players who arrived, they all talk about how he is the perfect owner. Involved but not overly so, and willing to spend money if it will translate to wins.

I predict we'll be back in the playoffs this year, but probably won't make it out of the first round. It'll be a battle between the Brewers and the Cards again with the Reds making a first half run and then fizzling after the break.
 
2012-03-24 12:07:14 PM  
Ultrafark: Big market teams will eventually steal most of the rest of the talent we developed and it'll be back to square one for us, like always.
 
2012-03-24 12:07:48 PM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: Sorry Brewers, it's the Reds year in the Central.


...Just like it was supposed to be for the past 22 years, but I have a feeling this year is really the year.


Like a wise man once said "Hitler was good in the beginning, but he went too far."
 
2012-03-24 12:08:58 PM  

mrmyxolodian: machoprogrammer: As a Brewers fan, I am a huge fan of Attanasio

Not just the fans, the players LOVE him too. From player who left to players who arrived, they all talk about how he is the perfect owner. Involved but not overly so, and willing to spend money if it will translate to wins.

I predict we'll be back in the playoffs this year, but probably won't make it out of the first round. It'll be a battle between the Brewers and the Cards again with the Reds making a first half run and then fizzling after the break.


Well, Carpenter is out indefinitely, so that might make this race even more interesting....
 
2012-03-24 12:15:35 PM  

GoodyearPimp: Passive Aggressive Larry: Sorry Brewers, it's the Reds year in the Central.


...Just like it was supposed to be for the past 22 years, but I have a feeling this year is really the year.

Like a wise man once said "Hitler was good in the beginning, but he went too far."


Was it ever conclusively proven that Marge Schott had a penis?
 
2012-03-24 12:18:46 PM  

mrmyxolodian:

I predict we'll be back in the playoffs this year, but probably won't make it out of the first round. It'll be a battle between the Brewers and the Cards again with the Reds making a first half run and then fizzling after the break.


The Reds usual season trajectory is: Start out with a lot of promise before the season begins. Lose a lot of close games early. Start worrying about the season slipping away by the beginning of May. Completely written off by the end of May. Suddenly get hot in June and July, leading to numerous, "Red hot Reds win again" type of headlines. Pull within 7 or 8 games of the division lead, causing the fans to believe again. Lose 7 games in a row, and get swept by the division leader as they cement their place as a playoff team. Play out the rest of the season as a .500 team.
 
2012-03-24 12:25:41 PM  

starmeeting:
Was it ever conclusively proven that Marge Schott had a penis?


She was one crazy little racist dwarf.
 
2012-03-24 12:40:08 PM  
You mean if a team pays to field a good team, and that team does well more people will come to see games and spend money, allowing the team to field better players to make the team better so more people will come to see games and spend money? It's almost like there is cycle here or something.
 
2012-03-24 01:05:37 PM  

WTF Indeed: You mean if a team pays to field a good team, and that team does well more people will come to see games and spend money, allowing the team to field better players to make the team better so more people will come to see games and spend money? It's almost like there is cycle here or something.


The flaw in your theory is that the Cubs are have nearly doubled in value since 2005.
 
2012-03-24 01:12:01 PM  

chimp_ninja: The flaw in your theory is that the Cubs are have nearly doubled in value since 2005.


I said "field a good team", not "field a team of has-beens and never-weres and pay them way too much money.
 
2012-03-24 01:16:24 PM  

WTF Indeed: chimp_ninja: The flaw in your theory is that the Cubs are have nearly doubled in value since 2005.

I said "field a good team", not "field a team of has-beens and never-weres and pay them way too much money.


Point

______________________


Your head
 
2012-03-24 01:22:49 PM  

chimp_ninja: The flaw in your theory is that the Cubs are have nearly doubled in value since 2005.


Cubs fans are used to disappointment, they expect it, demand it.
If the Cubs were to actually field a good, competitive team year after year, I think it would frighten most fans away. A sign of the apocalypse or something.
 
2012-03-24 01:25:16 PM  
Bill Veeck said it himself: it doesn't matter how many bells and whistles you stick in the ballpark, nothing brings out the fans like a winner.
 
2012-03-24 01:50:17 PM  

Gosling: Bill Veeck said it himself: it doesn't matter how many bells and whistles you stick in the ballpark, nothing brings out the fans like a winner.


Or Disco Demolition Night...
 
2012-03-24 02:33:22 PM  

WTF Indeed: You mean if a team pays to field a good team, and that team does well more people will come to see games and spend money, allowing the team to field better players to make the team better so more people will come to see games and spend money? It's almost like there is cycle here or something.


And soon you may have the privilege of paying $50+ for a decent seat for a Tuesday night game against the Pirates.
 
2012-03-24 02:59:06 PM  
Oh god damn it, the Reds just lost their expensive new closer for the entire season. Disregard what I said earlier about this being their year. One thing the Reds have never done well is replace injured players with other players that can step up and fill the gap.

They might still be competitive, but that closer was going to be a big part of them having any sort of postseason success. And the Reds are too cheap to make a big trade for someone else just as good.
 
2012-03-24 03:06:35 PM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: Oh god damn it, the Reds just lost their expensive new closer for the entire season. Disregard what I said earlier about this being their year. One thing the Reds have never done well is replace injured players with other players that can step up and fill the gap.

They might still be competitive, but that closer was going to be a big part of them having any sort of postseason success. And the Reds are too cheap to make a big trade for someone else just as good.


Let's see, Carpenter is out indefinitely for the Cards, the Reds lose their closer, Braun isn't suspended, Hart should be back after 1-2 weeks, in other words....

3.bp.blogspot.com

\Roll out the barrel
 
2012-03-24 03:09:39 PM  

Woolwine: Passive Aggressive Larry: Oh god damn it, the Reds just lost their expensive new closer for the entire season. Disregard what I said earlier about this being their year. One thing the Reds have never done well is replace injured players with other players that can step up and fill the gap.

They might still be competitive, but that closer was going to be a big part of them having any sort of postseason success. And the Reds are too cheap to make a big trade for someone else just as good.

Let's see, Carpenter is out indefinitely for the Cards, the Reds lose their closer, Braun isn't suspended, Hart should be back after 1-2 weeks, in other words....

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 210x209]

\Roll out the barrel


Better the Brewers than the farking Cardinals. I think everyone else in the NL Central can agree, the Cardinals and their recent success can fark right off.
 
2012-03-24 03:13:26 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

Should be exciting on opening day when the Brewers get to hoist their 2011 NL Central Champion banner.
 
2012-03-24 03:21:06 PM  
Cardinals
Brewers
Reds
Cubs
Pirates
Lastros

Brewers I should probably rank first but I'm biased. And while the Cards lost Pujols they added Wainwright and Beltran. The Brewers replaced Fielder with Aramis Ramirez...who will be more than happy to dog it at the first sign of adversity since he's not in a contract year.

As I've said before, I'd give the Reds more of a chance; however, they have to contend with the Dusty Baker EffectTM which will not only cost them multiple wins, but likely at the expense of division rivals. Have faith Reds fans, only one more year on his contract!

I'm sticking with the Cardinals in first until the thing with Carpenter is more clear and even then if he's going to miss a large amount of time my guess is they'll call Oswalt. Losing Pujols sucks, but the team as a whole has less problems going into this season than it did the last.

Cubs...well we'll see in a year or two.

Pirates are the Pirates, and the Astros are the embodiment of a team in a rebuilding year.
 
2012-03-24 03:24:00 PM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: Better the Brewers than the farking Cardinals. I think everyone else in the NL Central can agree, the Cardinals and their recent success can fark right off.


Well, I'm sure Nyjer Morgan agrees with you.

/More than happy to have my team hated because of it's success. Beats the alternative.
 
2012-03-24 03:29:38 PM  

Mr. Potatoass: Should be exciting on opening day when the Brewers get to hoist their 2011 NL Central Champion banner.


Have you paid attention to the Brewers the last 30 years? We'll happily take that banner.

/a 2012 banner would look great next it
 
2012-03-24 03:38:27 PM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: Oh god damn it, the Reds just lost their expensive new closer for the entire season. Disregard what I said earlier about this being their year. One thing the Reds have never done well is replace injured players with other players that can step up and fill the gap.

They might still be competitive, but that closer was going to be a big part of them having any sort of postseason success. And the Reds are too cheap to make a big trade for someone else just as good.


The Dusty Baker Effect starting things off early. Don't let him anywhere near Votto.

Kidding aside, there are worst things to need to overcome than a closer. The Cardinals won without their ace last year AND with their closer sucking pure ass until he was released.
 
2012-03-24 03:41:50 PM  

machoprogrammer: As a Brewers fan, I am a huge fan of Attanasio


Absolutely ditto. He has done nothing but great things for just about every aspect of the game, stadium, and getting the fans back.

Mr. Potatoass: Should be exciting on opening day when the Brewers get to hoist their 2011 NL Central Champion banner.


Heh, I didn't even think of that. But I'll be there on Opening Day, and the 2nd game as well. Should be a hell of a series.

John Nash: Have you paid attention to the Brewers the last 30 years? We'll happily take that banner.

/a 2012 banner would look great next it


Damn straight. The Brewers have had 8 home playoff games since I've been alive, and I'm happy to say I've been to 3 of them. Sadly, I've been to both series clinching losses (2011 NLCS and 2008 NLDS), but did see the game 2 win of the NLDS last season.
 
2012-03-24 03:50:13 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Pirates are the Pirates, and the Astros are the embodiment of a team in a rebuilding year.


The Astros are almost irrelevant. Not only are they going to be in last with a no-hope team, they're not even going to be in the NL next year, and they'll go from dealing with the Brewers and Cardinals to dealing with the Angels and Rangers. Not only are they awful, next year stands to be even worse.

But at least next year they won't be in 6th place.
 
2012-03-24 03:59:51 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Passive Aggressive Larry: Oh god damn it, the Reds just lost their expensive new closer for the entire season. Disregard what I said earlier about this being their year. One thing the Reds have never done well is replace injured players with other players that can step up and fill the gap.

They might still be competitive, but that closer was going to be a big part of them having any sort of postseason success. And the Reds are too cheap to make a big trade for someone else just as good.

The Dusty Baker Effect starting things off early. Don't let him anywhere near Votto.

Kidding aside, there are worst things to need to overcome than a closer. The Cardinals won without their ace last year AND with their closer sucking pure ass until he was released.


The difference is, the Cardinals are an organization that is well-run from top to bottom with a consistent history of success, coached by a future Hall of Famer last year. The Reds haven't won a playoff game since the mid-90s, and have had a revolving door of cheapskate owners and coaches since their last World Series more than 20 years ago.

The Cardinals are such a good franchise, it pisses me off. Of course they overcome adversity. The Reds of the 1970s and early 1990s are long gone in Cincinnati.
 
2012-03-24 04:13:43 PM  

Gosling: The Astros are almost irrelevant. Not only are they going to be in last with a no-hope team, they're not even going to be in the NL next year, and they'll go from dealing with the Brewers and Cardinals to dealing with the Angels and Rangers. Not only are they awful, next year stands to be even worse.

But at least next year they won't be in 6th place.


I completely agree. I honestly can't think of a MLB team that's in a worse position that the Astros. The idea of the Rangers and Angels alone would make me sick to my stomach if I were a fan. I know the new owner got a chunk of cash knocked off the price as a trade off to moving, but for the life of me I cannot fathom what would make ANYONE want to move to that division.

The entire move is bullshiat really. Seriously, move to a division in which three other teams are two time zones away? Goodbye TV ratings, such as they were. Nothing like a big chunk of your away games ending at midnight all season long. Then the division team closest to you is going to beat you like a rented mule. Farking horrible. They should have given the owner the team for free.
 
2012-03-24 04:19:44 PM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: The difference is, the Cardinals are an organization that is well-run from top to bottom with a consistent history of success, coached by a future Hall of Famer last year. The Reds haven't won a playoff game since the mid-90s, and have had a revolving door of cheapskate owners and coaches since their last World Series more than 20 years ago.


I have to be honest, I expected better of a team where Jocketty was the GM, but in my opinion it's impossible to overstate how bad Baker is for a franchise. Every team he's managed has turned into an undisciplined mess. That's his biggest problem. Set aside all the stuff with how he handles pitchers--it's the fact his teams lack the focus needed for a 162 game season.
 
2012-03-24 04:22:18 PM  
As a Cleveland fan, i'm usually impressed with Milwaukee and their sports.... Classy fans, and they field respectable teams in basketball and baseball, despite being 'small-market'.
 
2012-03-24 04:24:32 PM  

WTF Indeed: You mean if a team pays to field a good team, and that team does well more people will come to see games and spend money, allowing the team to field better players to make the team better so more people will come to see games and spend money? It's almost like there is cycle here or something.


Why are you applying efficient free market economic theory to legally-protected monopoly interests? That makes no sense.

/economic analysis: first you gotta rtfm
 
2012-03-24 05:07:41 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Passive Aggressive Larry: The difference is, the Cardinals are an organization that is well-run from top to bottom with a consistent history of success, coached by a future Hall of Famer last year. The Reds haven't won a playoff game since the mid-90s, and have had a revolving door of cheapskate owners and coaches since their last World Series more than 20 years ago.

I have to be honest, I expected better of a team where Jocketty was the GM, but in my opinion it's impossible to overstate how bad Baker is for a franchise. Every team he's managed has turned into an undisciplined mess. That's his biggest problem. Set aside all the stuff with how he handles pitchers--it's the fact his teams lack the focus needed for a 162 game season.


^---- This.

I enjoy disliking the Cardinals. That's my duty as a Cubs fan.

I hate Dusty Baker with a passion.
 
2012-03-24 05:17:48 PM  
As a Cards fan, about the only team I can stomach in the Central is Milwaukee. For the most part a classy fan base, though the dislike for our (former) coach and players kind of baffled me. Braun is obviously a cheater, but I won't hate the guy for it. Fielder was a swell guy. Pun intended. I think the only thing I've ever disliked is Morgan. I understand people's dislike for the Cards - it's like any perennial contender. When you win and win alot people get pissy. But Morgan is just obnoxious to the point of being a detriment to his team. Selfish. Outside of that, the cubs, reds, and asstros can suck off.

/what pirates?
 
2012-03-24 05:30:25 PM  

blood_and_thunder: Headline of the year?


No, because plenty of teams spend money over the years only to see free agents flop or draft picks get injured. The issue isn't spending money, its sustained spending over a few years, give him another 5-10 and see if they still spend money.
 
2012-03-24 05:53:35 PM  
The Brewers have the 2nd best pro sports owner in the state.

bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com
 
2012-03-24 05:53:52 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Losing Pujols sucks, but the team as a whole has less problems going into this season than it did the last.


Eh, I don't know. Wainright won't be 100% for a few months (or more). Carpenter is likely going to miss a lot of time (nerve pain due to bulging disks are very bad and there is nothing they can do to fix them quickly other than long rehab surgery and painkillers), Berkman will probably not repeat what he did and Beltran is going to injure himself pretty quickly. Even Oswalt won't be a savior, as shown last year, he isn't what he used to be. Losing TLR and DD also is going to hurt. I also expect their bullpen to turn into the 2010-11 Packers defense (somehow magically awesome during playoffs, to suck the next season).
 
2012-03-24 06:07:51 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Cardinals
Brewers
Reds
Cubs
Pirates
Lastros

Brewers I should probably rank first but I'm biased. And while the Cards lost Pujols they added Wainwright and Beltran. The Brewers replaced Fielder with Aramis Ramirez...who will be more than happy to dog it at the first sign of adversity since he's not in a contract year.

As I've said before, I'd give the Reds more of a chance; however, they have to contend with the Dusty Baker EffectTM which will not only cost them multiple wins, but likely at the expense of division rivals. Have faith Reds fans, only one more year on his contract!

I'm sticking with the Cardinals in first until the thing with Carpenter is more clear and even then if he's going to miss a large amount of time my guess is they'll call Oswalt. Losing Pujols sucks, but the team as a whole has less problems going into this season than it did the last.

Cubs...well we'll see in a year or two.

Pirates are the Pirates, and the Astros are the embodiment of a team in a rebuilding year.


The infield is going to look completely different with the Brewers. I would willingly to replace Fielder/Weeks/Betancourt/McGehee with Gamel/Weeks/Gonzalez/Ramirez. Offensive production will be about the same and the defense will be significantly better, especially at SS.

Contrary to popular belief, I don't think the Brewers have regressed as a team at all compared to last year's roster. I think the bullpen will be the only question mark.
 
2012-03-24 06:24:56 PM  

CmndrFish: The infield is going to look completely different with the Brewers. I would willingly to replace Fielder/Weeks/Betancourt/McGehee with Gamel/Weeks/Gonzalez/Ramirez. Offensive production will be about the same and the defense will be significantly better, especially at SS.

Contrary to popular belief, I don't think the Brewers have regressed as a team at all compared to last year's roster. I think the bullpen will be the only question mark.



Yeah, the defense is far better now. Betancourt and Gonzalez are a push offensively (Gonzalez probably has more pop), but has far better defense. Ramirez and McGehee are a push defensively (Ramirez probably has slight edge), but Ramirez is way better offensively. Even McGehee's best offensive year isn't as good as Ramirez's average year. And Gamel will not be Fielder offensively, but cannot be any worse defensively.
 
2012-03-24 06:43:01 PM  

machoprogrammer: Eh, I don't know. Wainright won't be 100% for a few months (or more). Carpenter is likely going to miss a lot of time (nerve pain due to bulging disks are very bad and there is nothing they can do to fix them quickly other than long rehab surgery and painkillers), Berkman will probably not repeat what he did and Beltran is going to injure himself pretty quickly. Even Oswalt won't be a savior, as shown last year, he isn't what he used to be. Losing TLR and DD also is going to hurt. I also expect their bullpen to turn into the 2010-11 Packers defense (somehow magically awesome during playoffs, to suck the next season).


I think the truth is going to be somwhere more in the middle. You're citing worse case scenarios for almost every unknown (Carp, Waino, Beltran, Berkman, Coaching staff) and I'm admittedly leaning more towards hoping for the better in most of those cases. The reality is all three major teams in the Central have flaws and if I'm being honest I could see either the Cards, Brewers or Reds winning the division and not be surprised by it.

There's one intangible that doesn't really get mentioned in the right context, and it's Pujols leaving. Based off what I have seen I think proving they can win without him is going to be a big motivator for this team as a whole. There's a degree of personal pride with a lot of these guys you don't see on every team. The core players have been together for quite a long time all things considered. Pujols, while an absolutely unreal ballplayer, was never much of a leader, but obviously everyone had to follow his lead. I think it might have stiffled some of these guys a little, and it seems to me many of them are looking forward to the challenge of life without him.

Obviously that means squat if Carp doesn't play, Waino's worn out by the All Star Break and Berkman/Beltran spend a lot of time on the DL or bench. But I think there's an opportunity for Pujols' departure to be a net positive when it's all said and done.

Whatever the case, I'm just happy we're about ready to start this season. Despite the short offseason after winning the Series I'm ready to go, and surprisingly more excited than I have been in several years.
 
2012-03-24 07:38:52 PM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: The Brewers have the 2nd best pro sports owner in the state.


If by best you mean obnoxious then yes, they are the 2ND most obnoxious and douchebaggy in the state.
 
2012-03-24 10:26:15 PM  

Tarheel_Madness: As a Cards fan, about the only team I can stomach in the Central is Milwaukee. For the most part a classy fan base, though the dislike for our (former) coach and players kind of baffled me.

LaRussa is a showoff who lengthens games by switching pitchers every other batter, and a whiner (remember his complaints about how they dimmed the Miller Park grandstand scoreboard lights when the Cards were batting?) Pujols was, if not liked in Milwaukee, at least respected as a great player, and Milwaukee is relieved to see him go to the AL. There were a couple of jerks on the team including some headhunting pitchers who went after Braun and Fielder.

One difference - after Milwaukee lost to the Cards in the NLCS, fans took it reasonably well because the Cards got hot and Freese had a great series, and around here, getting a division title is about as good as we dare hope. If it had been the opposite, and the Brewers beat the Cards, I hate to think what the reaction would have been in St. Looie.
 
2012-03-25 12:48:54 AM  

Shrugging Atlas: Passive Aggressive Larry: Better the Brewers than the farking Cardinals. I think everyone else in the NL Central can agree, the Cardinals and their recent success can fark right off.

Well, I'm sure Nyjer Morgan agrees with you.

/More than happy to have my team hated because of it's success. Beats the alternative.


Actually, it's not the team that's hated. The Cardinals are respected, even by Cubs fans. We may not care for them much, but they're a great team.

It's the Cardinals fans that people can't stand.

No amount of World Series trophies is worth being one of them.
 
2012-03-25 05:42:20 AM  

coffee fiend: Gosling: Bill Veeck said it himself: it doesn't matter how many bells and whistles you stick in the ballpark, nothing brings out the fans like a winner.

Or Disco Demolition Night...


LOL.
 
2012-03-25 10:47:16 AM  

steamingpile: Flying Lasagna Monster: The Brewers have the 2nd best pro sports owner in the state.

If by best you mean obnoxious then yes, they are the 2ND most obnoxious and douchebaggy in the state.


Read what you quoted, brah
 
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