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(Toronto Star)   "She feels like a real girl and she is a real girl." Transgendered contestant booted from Miss Universe Canada pageant. Yes, you would   (thestar.com ) divider line
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2012-03-24 04:37:35 AM  
www.mojoimage.com
 
2012-03-24 05:53:27 AM  
She was 'yanked'?

/ha
 
2012-03-24 06:49:40 AM  
I would what? Kick her out of the contest on the grounds that the rules of the franchise specifically state that only naturally born females are eligible? Maybe. I'm not really in the business of caring about Miss Universe pageant in the first place.

Far as I'm concerned you're not the number one girl in the world unless I'm in love with ya and since I've never met a contestant the pageant as whole is really a giant runner up contest. Who cares who takes home the silver medal? fark it, let's get Miss Piggy and Hatsune Miku in the running also. They're certain to do well in the talent portion of the show. And one guy in a lumber jack outfit for kicks!
 
2012-03-24 07:06:24 AM  
Plus trannys have this weird ramp-like thing in their vajaydicks. It's the only way they can make a vajayjay out of a dick. I've seen pix.
 
2012-03-24 07:19:06 AM  

Bagelox-99: Plus transformers have this weird ramp-like thing in their vajaydicks. It's the only way they can make a vajayjay out of a dick. I've seen pix.


Like this?
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2012-03-24 07:43:52 AM  
I think that pic is upside down.
 
2012-03-24 08:42:18 AM  
FTA: Davila insisted there is no bad blood between Talackova and Miss Universe Canada, and that they wish her the best.

"She was excited about the competition. Just because she can't compete doesn't mean we stopped loving her."


Personally, I found Jenna very attractive. Would I? Maybe. I think the real issue would be would she want me?

/Unlikely.
 
2012-03-24 08:48:26 AM  
"naturally born female"

So they ask the contestants whether they were born with c-section? That's weird.
 
2012-03-24 08:48:45 AM  
Ya...um...no..i wouldn't. And yes..secondly, just because they cut off your man bits, and give you boobies, doesn't mean you're a "real girl". You are a genetic man, regardless of "how you feel" and nothing will change that. Do i feel sorry for people in this situation? The feeling of being born the "wrong sex?" Of course i do. It must be terrible. However, getting all those operations doesn't make you magically the opposite sex, mtf or ftm. I do hope that this person has found happiness in their new form though.
 
2012-03-24 08:50:09 AM  
Yeah, I guess I would.

If I can't tell, I don't care.
 
2012-03-24 08:50:21 AM  
So kwame's girlfriend from Canada does exist!
 
2012-03-24 08:51:32 AM  
she looks like the tranny street walkers you see throughout latin america.
 
2012-03-24 08:57:24 AM  
Who gives a fark. I wish everybody would would just STFU.
This means you & you & you & your & your wife.
 
2012-03-24 08:58:13 AM  

theflatline: she looks like the transformer street walkers you see throughout latin america.


Way to be genial and understanding to one of the most hated and ostracized groups of people in America.
 
2012-03-24 09:01:02 AM  
it was too confusing for the gay judges?
 
2012-03-24 09:01:03 AM  
The other night the wife and I were watching the porn awards episode of Party Down. One of the very attractive porn stars mentioned that she has a babboon heart. I asked the wife if she would bang someone who had a babboon's heart, and after some humming and hawing she said 'yes'. When she asked me the same question, my answer was a definite 'no'. So if you're suggesting that I would have sex with a dude who had an artificial vagina installed, I'm fairly confident that you're wrong.

/csb
 
2012-03-24 09:01:54 AM  
I'm a chick, I would kill for that stomach, and everything looks great, except for her CALVES.... girl doesn't exercise her legs enough, they looks like skinny teenage boy legs...

/oh yeah.
 
2012-03-24 09:01:57 AM  

Twin 40s: theflatline: she looks like the transformer street walkers you see throughout latin america.

Way to be genial and understanding to one of the most hated and ostracized groups of people in America.


Actually i do not hate on the transgendered, I have a cousin who got the operation years ago, and he is pretty well adjusted.

But he became well adjusted after he decided to stop all the "look at me, look at me, i am such a gorgeous woman" behavior and wearing his operation on his sleeve.

Attention whores are never attractive be they born male, female, or transgendered.

She liked on the application and got caught.
 
2012-03-24 09:03:15 AM  
Would what? See if she actually feels like a real girl?

...possibly. Although it depends, I have a suspicion that beauty pageant types probably have that wheel is spinning but the hamster is dead sort of thing going, and people who seem too stupid to be alive creep me the hell out.
 
2012-03-24 09:04:17 AM  
Humble Pie is confused.
 
2012-03-24 09:04:48 AM  
Dammit, Fark. This morning I was completely secure in who I was. And now...

...now, I just don't know.

/so many feelings
 
2012-03-24 09:05:36 AM  
The lord doesn't like it why should we?
 
2012-03-24 09:06:42 AM  

animal900: The other night the wife and I were watching the porn awards episode of Party Down. One of the very attractive porn stars mentioned that she has a babboon heart. I asked the wife if she would bang someone who had a babboon's heart, and after some humming and hawing she said 'yes'. When she asked me the same question, my answer was a definite 'no'. So if you're suggesting that I would have sex with a dude who had an artificial vagina installed, I'm fairly confident that you're wrong.

/csb


So why no babboon heart?
 
2012-03-24 09:07:10 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Ya...um...no..i wouldn't. And yes..secondly, just because they cut off your man bits, and give you boobies, doesn't mean you're a "real girl". You are a genetic man, regardless of "how you feel" and nothing will change that. Do i feel sorry for people in this situation? The feeling of being born the "wrong sex?" Of course i do. It must be terrible. However, getting all those operations doesn't make you magically the opposite sex, mtf or ftm. I do hope that this person has found happiness in their new form though.


You're wrong. My mate is trans. f2m, and more of a man than you'll ever be.
 
2012-03-24 09:07:41 AM  

animal900: The other night the wife and I were watching the porn awards episode of Party Down. One of the very attractive porn stars mentioned that she has a babboon heart. I asked the wife if she would bang someone who had a babboon's heart, and after some humming and hawing she said 'yes'. When she asked me the same question, my answer was a definite 'no'. So if you're suggesting that I would have sex with a dude who had an artificial vagina installed, I'm fairly confident that you're wrong.

/csb


Yeah - but what if it was a baboon vagina?
Could you really pass that up?
 
2012-03-24 09:09:01 AM  

baufan2005: The lord doesn't like it why should we?


YOU CANNOT PETITION THE LORD WITH PRAYER!
 
2012-03-24 09:10:06 AM  

jaspyrnyte: Bit'O'Gristle: Ya...um...no..i wouldn't. And yes..secondly, just because they cut off your man bits, and give you boobies, doesn't mean you're a "real girl". You are a genetic man, regardless of "how you feel" and nothing will change that. Do i feel sorry for people in this situation? The feeling of being born the "wrong sex?" Of course i do. It must be terrible. However, getting all those operations doesn't make you magically the opposite sex, mtf or ftm. I do hope that this person has found happiness in their new form though.

You're wrong. My mate is trans. f2m, and more of a man than you'll ever be.


That's not really saying much.
 
2012-03-24 09:10:35 AM  

llfennell: I'm a chick, I would kill for that stomach, and everything looks great, except for her CALVES.... girl doesn't exercise her legs enough, they looks like skinny teenage boy legs...

/oh yeah.


A pair of FM heels would improve those calves.

//maybe
 
2012-03-24 09:11:07 AM  
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/sure why not
 
2012-03-24 09:15:10 AM  

theflatline: Twin 40s: theflatline: she looks like the transformer street walkers you see throughout latin america.

Way to be genial and understanding to one of the most hated and ostracized groups of people in America.

Actually i do not hate on the transgendered, I have a cousin who got the operation years ago, and he is pretty well adjusted.


But you're using the wrong pronouns, which seems rather disrespectful. Maybe the "look at me" phase was just to get the slower people like you to catch on.

And before someone starts in about chromosomes or mutilated genitals, please note that there is a distinct difference between sex and gender. Your genitals or chromosomes are nobody elses damn business. Pronouns and societal norms need to be based on gender, not sex. One is public, the other is private. Why is this so hard for some people?
 
2012-03-24 09:15:11 AM  

traylor: "naturally born female"

So they ask the contestants whether they were born with c-section? That's weird.


Now I'm imagining some chick in a bikini shouting "Michelle was from her mother's womb untimely ripp'd!"

/count me in as another girl who's jealous of Jenna
 
2012-03-24 09:15:56 AM  
This is a real lizard:

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This is a real cat:

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Another real cat:

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That point made, TG people, why must you insist you are something you truly are not? This is my only problem with TG people: this insistence that your psychological issue somehow trumps biology and what the rest of society defines as female, and that I am somehow a bigot if I don't agree with your fantasy/delusion. Fine, you think like a woman. Fine, you went and got radical surgery to resemble a woman. Fine, you live as a woman. You are NOT a woman, you are a Transgendered MAN, and nothing is going to change that. What is so terrible about accepting what you are? You are still a person, with every right every other human has, so why push what many of feel is deception and lying? THAT is my problem, the entire issue smacks of deceit to me, and I despise deceit.

Be up front about it and we would never have a problem. Hell, who knows, I might be willing to have a relationship with a TG man if they were open, honest, and totally hot. I doubt it, but I am open to consider the question if they look as good as that one does.

You would do much to help gain acceptance, IMNSHO, if the deception wasn't an issue.
 
2012-03-24 09:16:06 AM  
Someone lopping off or adds body parts does not change what they were born as.

/DNA don't lie
//Or an Adams apple as is in this case lol
 
2012-03-24 09:17:40 AM  
Remember guys, a woman's forearms bow outwards; apparently it's one of the few things left that's not getting surgically altered; at least not on a common basis.
 
2012-03-24 09:20:47 AM  

Lipspinach: Who gives a fark. I wish everybody would would just STFU.
This means you & you & you & your wife transformer.


Man, who spilled feminizing supplements in your Wheaties this morning?
 
2012-03-24 09:21:21 AM  

FarkinHostile: That point made, TG people, why must you insist you are something you truly are not? This is my only problem with TG people: this insistence that your psychological issue somehow trumps biology and what the rest of society defines as female, and that I am somehow a bigot if I don't agree with your fantasy/delusion.


Here's a simple question. If your brain (assuming you have one) was plucked from your body and kept alive in a box, would you stop being you? No, of course not, that's stupid, the consciousness, or soul, or whatever you want to call it, resides in the psyche of the person, not the meat machine.

If the brain does not agree with the body on the gender, the body is de facto wrong. It's not optional, or debatable, or questionable. The body is a lifeless servant to the mind; where the body rebels it must be brought to heel. A brain in a box would still have all the wants and needs as a brain in a body, a body without a brain would just be musculature over a skeletal system wired with nerves to obey a non-present brain.
 
2012-03-24 09:22:08 AM  
"She feels like a Real GirlTM and she is a Real GirlTM."

FTFH
 
2012-03-24 09:22:35 AM  

Twin 40s: theflatline: she looks like the transformer street walkers you see throughout latin america.

Way to be genial and understanding to one of the most hated and ostracized groups of people in America.


Latinas or street walkers? Or latina streetwalkers? Or latino streetwalkers? Are they really that hated?
 
2012-03-24 09:24:14 AM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: If the brain does not agree with the body on the gender, the body is de facto wrong


It's not possible that there's something wrong with the brain in how it's wired to mesh personality (or "soul" if you prefer) with body?
 
2012-03-24 09:26:55 AM  
Goddammit, I'd rather be TG and look like her than the natural real born XY I do look like now.
 
2012-03-24 09:30:09 AM  

FarkinHostile: This is a real lizard:

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This is a real cat:

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Another real cat:

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That point made, TG people, why must you insist you are something you truly are not? This is my only problem with TG people: this insistence that your psychological issue somehow trumps biology and what the rest of society defines as female, and that I am somehow a bigot if I don't agree with your fantasy/delusion. Fine, you think like a woman. Fine, you went and got radical surgery to resemble a woman. Fine, you live as a woman. You are NOT a woman, you are a Transgendered MAN, and nothing is going to change that. What is so terrible about accepting what you are? You are still a person, with every right every other human has, so why push what many of feel is deception and lying? THAT is my problem, the entire issue smacks of deceit to me, and I despise deceit.

Be up front about it and we would never have a problem. Hell, who knows, I might be willing to have a relationship with a TG man if they were open, honest, and totally hot. I doubt it, but I am open to consider the question if they look as good as that one does.

You would do much to help gain acceptance, IMNSHO, if the deception wasn't an issue.


Here's my question, though--why get so upset over it? What difference does it really make? If a transgender male is indistinguishable from a regular woman, it doesn't really bother me. If a transgender male is pretty clearly a dude, the odds of me sleeping with him is about the same as me sleeping with a horribly ugly girl.

So, y'know: 50/50.
 
2012-03-24 09:30:59 AM  

FarkinHostile:

You would do much to help gain acceptance, IMNSHO, if the deception wasn't an issue.


Why are these words so important to you?

You're like those preachy church types that are like "If you don't go to church every Sunday, then you're not a REAL christian" or people that say obama is mixed race, so he's not a "REAL" african american...

who farking cares? let people identify as they want. And if it's so unambiguously clear to you that everyone is either male or femal at birth, then what about hermaphrodites? do they get to choose what they REALLY are?
 
2012-03-24 09:34:26 AM  

GoldSpider: Dr. Mojo PhD: If the brain does not agree with the body on the gender, the body is de facto wrong

It's not possible that there's something wrong with the brain in how it's wired to mesh personality (or "soul" if you prefer) with body?


It's possible that there's something wrong with the brain's wiring, yeah. That's why gender identity disorder is a disorder and gender dysmorphia is a dysmorphia. There's two things wrong here -- the body is the wrong shape (dysmorphic) and the brain is disordered in being unable to adapt to the incorrect body. Of course, given that the entire body is wrong, that's pretty unsurprising.

People are sovereign agents; each person is a discrete unit capable of making judgment, holding values, etc. That sovereign agency comes from the mind, not the body -- Dr. Stephen Hawking, for example, is a doctor because his mind is sharp, not in spite of the fact that his body is worthless and needs to be supplemented. In questions where the body disobeys the will of the person, the body is always wrong. It has no agency. It is meaningless. It is meant to comply with the mind, not the other way around. GID'd individuals are correct in feeling frustrated with a body that refuses to comply with their personality. And we as a society are right to force the body into compliance with the mind and will of the individual.
 
2012-03-24 09:36:45 AM  
In a heartbeat. The nice thing about transgendered females is that you know they are guaranteed to be 3-hole, no-spitters.
 
2012-03-24 09:39:26 AM  
Pretty good looking as trannies go
 
2012-03-24 09:39:36 AM  

FarkinHostile: That point made, TG people, why must you insist you are something you truly are not? This is my only problem with TG people: this insistence that your psychological issue somehow trumps biology and what the rest of society defines as female, and that I am somehow a bigot if I don't agree with your fantasy/delusion. Fine, you think like a woman. Fine, you went and got radical surgery to resemble a woman. Fine, you live as a woman. You are NOT a woman, you are a Transgendered MAN, and nothing is going to change that. What is so terrible about accepting what you are? You are still a person, with every right every other human has, so why push what many of feel is deception and lying? THAT is my problem, the entire issue smacks of deceit to me, and I despise deceit.


It sounds a great deal like what you truly despise is anyone who thinks differently than your particular worldview. How, exactly, does it affect you if someone with XY chromosomes wants to be called a woman? If you think people who change their gender aren't REALLY changing their gender, that's fine, but why would one make an issue of it? What do you stand to lose by calling someone a woman, when that's what they want? There are words for people who insist on everyone else's terminology lining up with what is "correct" in their minds: "Pedant" is the most polite of them. TGs have an emotional investment in the terms that are used to describe them. Why on earth would you?

Be up front about it and we would never have a problem.

Just chill the fark out and accept it and you can ALSO never have a problem.
 
2012-03-24 09:42:12 AM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: FarkinHostile: That point made, TG people, why must you insist you are something you truly are not? This is my only problem with TG people: this insistence that your psychological issue somehow trumps biology and what the rest of society defines as female, and that I am somehow a bigot if I don't agree with your fantasy/delusion.

Here's a simple question. If your brain (assuming you have one) was plucked from your body and kept alive in a box, would you stop being you? No, of course not, that's stupid, the consciousness, or soul, or whatever you want to call it, resides in the psyche of the person, not the meat machine.

If the brain does not agree with the body on the gender, the body is de facto wrong. It's not optional, or debatable, or questionable. The body is a lifeless servant to the mind; where the body rebels it must be brought to heel. A brain in a box would still have all the wants and needs as a brain in a body, a body without a brain would just be musculature over a skeletal system wired with nerves to obey a non-present brain.


Except that the mind is part of the body; the two can't be separated. And as part of the body, it's susceptible to flaws just like the body can.

A person who thinks they're in the wrong sex of body has a healthy body and a damaged mind. Shouldn't they be repairing their mind rather than damaging their body in an attempt to make the two fit together?
 
2012-03-24 09:44:14 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Ya...um...no..i wouldn't. And yes..secondly, just because they cut off your man bits, and give you boobies, doesn't mean you're a "real girl". You are a genetic man, regardless of "how you feel" and nothing will change that. Do i feel sorry for people in this situation? The feeling of being born the "wrong sex?" Of course i do. It must be terrible. However, getting all those operations doesn't make you magically the opposite sex, mtf or ftm. I do hope that this person has found happiness in their new form though.


You're right in one way, despite being mostly wrong. Surgery alone doesn't make someone a "real girl" or transform someone to the opposite sex. Surgery is used to aid someone to conform physically and bring external characteristics in line with the gender someone already innately feels they belong to and conforms to socially. This accompanies hormone treatment. Physical anatomy isn't your gender, although it helps if your physical characteristics are typical of someone of your gender; but, for example, if someone cut off your dick or give you breast implants, you would still be a man and know you were a man and have the lived experience of being a man, it would just really be terrible for you.

A breakdown:

Sex: biology. Can be male, female, or something in between (intersex)

Gender: social roles and identity, which can be male, female, both, something else. In many cultures there are more than two genders or genders that combine the social roles of male and female, example: Two-spirit. How we fulfil social roles and expectations has a lot to do with our perceived gender and whether it is "correct". For example, a woman who undertakes certain activities, mannerisms and appearance that we associate with "men" as a gender will be described as "masculine" and can be understood to be transgressing typical social roles.

Gender anxiety: What I'm going to call some people's knee-jerk reactions to insist that gender is fixed and linked solely to biology. Occurs due to discomfort at observing that something they do not question can indeed be questioned or significantly altered, which has implications for their own understanding of gender and how their identity has been formed. Generally overlaps with transphobia, similar mechanism of action as homophobia (the insistence that physical sex is the sole determinant of identity and social roles often includes sexuality.)
 
2012-03-24 09:45:41 AM  
Here we go with the "Why do you care so much?" stuff. The reason? TFA. It's the topic of the discussion. That's what we do here, discuss/debate topics. Been on a few of these threads and it always comes down to some TG person INSISTING they are 100% female and I am a bigot if I disagree. Well, their psychological issue is not my problem, and I will not pretend I agree with them just to please them. They are 100% human, no more, no less. They deserve all rights and acceptance as people. They are not their desired sex, no matter how many operations they have. It doesn't make what I consider myself, no more than that woman who considers herself a cat.

That is how I feel about it. Agree of disagree, but I would consider it a MAJOR lie to find out the person I had been dating was born a male, and I hate liars. It seems that TG people do not consider it deceitful, but many of us do, and this will not help them to gain acceptance.
 
2012-03-24 09:46:21 AM  
She has sharp boy knees.

/imposter!
 
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