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(ESPN)   Colts cut Manning. Manning signs with Broncos. Broncos trade Tebow to Jets. Jets trade Stanton to Colts. Everyone got that?   (espn.go.com) divider line 47
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2012-03-23 09:28:57 PM
Sure, no problem, perfectly clear. What do you think we are, submitter, hockey fans?
 
2012-03-23 09:47:44 PM
Yeah, I saw that full circle earlier.

I think I'm going to start bumping my own links to Commented.
 
2012-03-23 10:39:51 PM
Wait, Stanton signed with the Jets? That was new to me, but it is interesting in terms of what the colts are looking for. Are they looking for a semi mobile QB to complement Luck or back up a guy like RG3?
 
2012-03-24 12:09:53 AM
It's gonna be another long season in Indy, Colts fans.
 
2012-03-24 01:42:07 AM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
get back to use when the music stops
 
2012-03-24 04:19:13 AM
It'd be funny if of all those named mentioned, Stanton is the next one of the bunch to get a Super Bowl ring.
 
2012-03-24 04:31:46 AM
Colts center Saturday to GNB as well as a random DE. That team is going to have nobody left.
 
2012-03-24 04:49:50 AM
And Ryan Diem realizes (new window) there's no point in sticking around any longer.
 
2012-03-24 04:53:45 AM
Still a bad deal for Stanton. In NY (before Tebow) he had a chance to start if Sanchez screwed up. In Indy, Luck will be the starter no matter what.
 
2012-03-24 05:02:04 AM
Yes... the all spartan duo of Drew Stanton to Blair White will be feared!

/Love following all my former sparty alum in the NFL no matter how mediocre...
 
2012-03-24 05:32:48 AM
The upside is that this is probably the most attention Stanton will receive his entire career.
 
2012-03-24 05:40:48 AM

bingethinker: In Indy, Luck will be the starter no matter what.


Luck will be no more immune to injury than any other rookie quarterback learning the pro game. I was amazed that Cam Newton survived his rookie season relatively unscathed. More likely are the injuries Bradford and Stafford suffered with poor teams.
 
2012-03-24 05:46:48 AM

InferiousX: The upside is that this is probably the most attention Stanton will receive his entire career.


Yeah... I have also been thinking this same thing over the past couple days. Just hope the dude saves his money wisely while he can
 
2012-03-24 07:12:52 AM

Harv72b: It's gonna be another long season in Indy, Colts fans.



The only reason I can think of to watch the Colts at this point is Austin Collie. Reggie Wayne has gotten old and slow, and it's pretty obvious his job is just to train Luck for a year or two (and then he'll be gone).

It feels I was dating a girl that looked like Kate Beckinsale -- and then a week later, she's gained 300 pounds, developed a raspy smoker's voice, grew warts/rash all over her body, and developed a Jersey accent. How the hell am I supposed to stay loyal to this shiat? Hey Irsay, remember when you said that if Peyton was well enough to play, he'd play for the Colts? Yeah, you and your farking organization are dead to me. Way to dump every aspect of the team we fans had any connection to. I get that it's a business -- but, doesn't that mean you should do something to excite/appease your fans at least on some level? It just doesn't seem like good business to say: "fark all of you, now give me lots of money!"
 
2012-03-24 07:43:01 AM
Confused?

sharetv.org
 
2012-03-24 08:22:15 AM
What is the over/under on number of Manning fueled wins before Manning retires for good?

Because I want to pick the under.

Manning is going to be good/great until he's knocked down hard. Then it's over.
 
2012-03-24 08:45:33 AM
i40.tinypic.com
 
2012-03-24 08:58:32 AM

Harv72b: It's gonna be another long season in Indy, Colts fans.


I would not be the least bit surprised to see them have the #1 pick again. If a QB (say, Barkley) emerges as the consensus top choice, I guess they'll be able to extract a pretty high price for the pick in a trade.
 
2012-03-24 09:05:21 AM
ouch, this has got to be a hard move for Stanton. Went from being on a competing team where he was likely to get playing time to a team that will likely need 3 years before they can be competitive again, all from Manning going to Denver.
 
2012-03-24 09:13:55 AM

jeffrey626: Yes... the all spartan duo of Drew Stanton to Blair White will be feared!

/Love following all my former sparty alum in the NFL no matter how mediocre...


eh, don't laugh. Blair White was a good addition to the colts team when he was in games. He really just needs a QB who is either smart enough, or has enough time in the pocket, to run through the full progression and see that he is open far more often than the primary receivers. With his limited playing time in 2010 he racked up respectable numbers, especially for a guy that was never supposed to make the NFL.
 
2012-03-24 09:15:42 AM

msupf: ouch, this has got to be a hard move for Stanton. Went from being on a competing team where he was likely to get playing time to a team that will likely need 3 years before they can be competitive again, all from Manning going to Denver.


I'm trying to remember the last time any single move by a single player has left such a trail of carnage.

Manning being cut then subsequently signed by the Broncos has directly or indirectly lead to:

-the Jets giving an absurd contract extension to Sanchez
-Daniel Snyder losing his shiat
-Alex Smith getting a bigger contract than he would have otherwise
-Tebow being traded to the Jets (amazing how the Jets got burned TWICE by the affair, and that the second move seems to contradict the first)
 
2012-03-24 09:26:07 AM

The Bestest: -Tebow being traded to the Jets (amazing how the Jets got burned TWICE by the affair, and that the second move seems to contradict the first)


Actually, the Tebow move is not that surprising from the Jets point of view. Rex Ryan always hated defending the wildcat. Brad Smith used to run it very well when he was on the Jets. Tony Sopranro is the the wildcat guy when it comes to the offense, and Tebow is the perfect player to run a wildcat system with. The only reason this is a big deal is because he's TIM TEBOW, and the media will make a big deal out of it. If this was some guy who didn't win two national championships and was taken were he should have been in the draft(4th round) this would be a total non-story. Instead we get all of this shiat.
 
2012-03-24 09:31:21 AM

The Bestest: msupf: ouch, this has got to be a hard move for Stanton. Went from being on a competing team where he was likely to get playing time to a team that will likely need 3 years before they can be competitive again, all from Manning going to Denver.

I'm trying to remember the last time any single move by a single player has left such a trail of carnage.

Manning being cut then subsequently signed by the Broncos has directly or indirectly lead to:

-the Jets giving an absurd contract extension to Sanchez
-Daniel Snyder losing his shiat
-Alex Smith getting a bigger contract than he would have otherwise
-Tebow being traded to the Jets (amazing how the Jets got burned TWICE by the affair, and that the second move seems to contradict the first)


The only team I can think of that rose above the mess is Seattle. They got the #2 QB free agent for a reasonable contract. I expected someone to panic when it looked like they were out of the Manning lottery and give Flynn a deal like Kevin Kolb. I guess everyone watching the mess he made of Arizona (yeah, I know, it wasn't all his fault. But they were competitive under Skelton) was a bright red flashing warning to every team looking at Flynn.

/I'm happy. The last time Seattle went and acquired Green Bay's backup stuck behind a star it turned out pretty good.

//Oh, and the Cardinals would be better off starting Skelton this year. But I hope they don't.
 
2012-03-24 09:49:38 AM

Blink: Harv72b: It's gonna be another long season in Indy, Colts fans.


The only reason I can think of to watch the Colts at this point is Austin Collie. Reggie Wayne has gotten old and slow, and it's pretty obvious his job is just to train Luck for a year or two (and then he'll be gone).

It feels I was dating a girl that looked like Kate Beckinsale -- and then a week later, she's gained 300 pounds, developed a raspy smoker's voice, grew warts/rash all over her body, and developed a Jersey accent. How the hell am I supposed to stay loyal to this shiat? Hey Irsay, remember when you said that if Peyton was well enough to play, he'd play for the Colts? Yeah, you and your farking organization are dead to me. Way to dump every aspect of the team we fans had any connection to. I get that it's a business -- but, doesn't that mean you should do something to excite/appease your fans at least on some level? It just doesn't seem like good business to say: "fark all of you, now give me lots of money!"


Well, hope you enjoyed your ride on the bandwagon. Hop off and make more room for those of us who were here before 2002.
 
2012-03-24 10:24:31 AM
Colts cut Manning. Manning signs with Broncos. Broncos trade Tebow to Jets. Jets trade Stanton to Colts

Colts eat Stanton, Tebow inherits the Berth.
 
2012-03-24 10:52:25 AM

Blink: Harv72b: It's gonna be another long season in Indy, Colts fans.


The only reason I can think of to watch the Colts at this point is Austin Collie. Reggie Wayne has gotten old and slow, and it's pretty obvious his job is just to train Luck for a year or two (and then he'll be gone).

It feels I was dating a girl that looked like Kate Beckinsale -- and then a week later, she's gained 300 pounds, developed a raspy smoker's voice, grew warts/rash all over her body, and developed a Jersey accent. How the hell am I supposed to stay loyal to this shiat? Hey Irsay, remember when you said that if Peyton was well enough to play, he'd play for the Colts? Yeah, you and your farking organization are dead to me. Way to dump every aspect of the team we fans had any connection to. I get that it's a business -- but, doesn't that mean you should do something to excite/appease your fans at least on some level? It just doesn't seem like good business to say: "fark all of you, now give me lots of money!"


They're in rebuilding mode. Do you want to have a team that is watchable in 3-4 years? Keeping around a bunch of old guys with bloated contracts for the sake of nostalgia is poor business and leads to a poor product. Further, half the players they released spent large chunks of time out injured. It wasn't like you got to watch them anyway and they weren't going to get any better.

I know lots of Colts fans have gotten used to the playoffs every year, but it's time to come back to reality. Lots of teams have gone through this knowing that cutting some ties and bringing in new blood will pay dividends down the road. Football isn't always an immediate gratification sport. Be patient.
 
2012-03-24 12:01:12 PM
♫ It's the cirrrcle of liiiiiife ♫
 
2012-03-24 12:05:25 PM

The Bestest: I'm trying to remember the last time any single move by a single player has left such a trail of carnage.

Manning being cut then subsequently signed by the Broncos has directly or indirectly lead to:

-the Jets giving an absurd contract extension to Sanchez
-Daniel Snyder losing his shiat
-Alex Smith getting a bigger contract than he would have otherwise
-Tebow being traded to the Jets (amazing how the Jets got burned TWICE by the affair, and that the second move seems to contradict the first)


Don't forget the protests in Miami. Plus, I think that you could at least make a case for Manning affecting Drew Brees' contract negotiations, especially now that Peyton signed.
 
2012-03-24 01:38:10 PM

WTF Indeed: The Bestest: -Tebow being traded to the Jets (amazing how the Jets got burned TWICE by the affair, and that the second move seems to contradict the first)

Actually, the Tebow move is not that surprising from the Jets point of view. Rex Ryan always hated defending the wildcat. Brad Smith used to run it very well when he was on the Jets. Tony Sopranro is the the wildcat guy when it comes to the offense, and Tebow is the perfect player to run a wildcat system with. The only reason this is a big deal is because he's TIM TEBOW, and the media will make a big deal out of it. If this was some guy who didn't win two national championships and was taken were he should have been in the draft(4th round) this would be a total non-story. Instead we get all of this shiat.



The Jets signed Tebow to sell tickets and nothing else. He's never run the wildcat at any level.
 
rka
2012-03-24 01:52:39 PM

WTF Indeed: The Bestest: -Tebow being traded to the Jets (amazing how the Jets got burned TWICE by the affair, and that the second move seems to contradict the first)

Actually, the Tebow move is not that surprising from the Jets point of view. Rex Ryan always hated defending the wildcat. Brad Smith used to run it very well when he was on the Jets. Tony Sopranro is the the wildcat guy when it comes to the offense, and Tebow is the perfect player to run a wildcat system with. The only reason this is a big deal is because he's TIM TEBOW, and the media will make a big deal out of it. If this was some guy who didn't win two national championships and was taken were he should have been in the draft(4th round) this would be a total non-story. Instead we get all of this shiat.


The Jets fatal mistake is thinking that they can have Tebow on their team and just bring him in for 5-10 plays a game..and have his supporters ok with that.

There is no "Tebow package" option. It's all or nothing with Tebow.
 
2012-03-24 01:56:09 PM

VvonderJesus: ♫ It's the cirrrcle of liiiiiife ♫


Harv72b: Don't forget the protests in Miami. Plus, I think that you could at least make a case for Manning affecting Drew Brees' contract negotiations, especially now that Peyton signed.


With the pile of shiat the Saints are standing in right now I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume Brees has the team by the balls.
 
2012-03-24 02:10:18 PM

downtownkid: The Jets signed Tebow to sell tickets and nothing else. He's never run the wildcat at any level.


rka: There is no "Tebow package" option. It's all or nothing with Tebow.


I'll give you that they traded for Tebow knowing he would sell tickets and it's a splash. But if it was just a splash than it was a splash that cost the Jets 1 net draft pick, and $3 million dollars(2.5 million for Tebow, 500,000 for Stanton). Are you saying that everyone in the organization thought it was okay to spend a draft pick and $3 million dollars for a few headlines?

If you look at just Tebow's skill package and ignore the name Tebow you will see a guy who fits perfectly within a wildcat system. Is a real threat to throw, can run the option, can run the QB draw up the middle, can power run, can outside run, can run Westoff's special team fakes, can line up as fullback or a halfback next to Greene.
 
2012-03-24 02:23:40 PM

Blink: How the hell am I supposed to stay loyal to this shiat?


You mean you wont follow the Colts next time an Irsay gets a wild hair and moves the Colts to another city?
 
rka
2012-03-24 02:29:50 PM

WTF Indeed: downtownkid: The Jets signed Tebow to sell tickets and nothing else. He's never run the wildcat at any level.

rka: There is no "Tebow package" option. It's all or nothing with Tebow.

I'll give you that they traded for Tebow knowing he would sell tickets and it's a splash. But if it was just a splash than it was a splash that cost the Jets 1 net draft pick, and $3 million dollars(2.5 million for Tebow, 500,000 for Stanton). Are you saying that everyone in the organization thought it was okay to spend a draft pick and $3 million dollars for a few headlines?

If you look at just Tebow's skill package and ignore the name Tebow you will see a guy who fits perfectly within a wildcat system. Is a real threat to throw, can run the option, can run the QB draw up the middle, can power run, can outside run, can run Westoff's special team fakes, can line up as fullback or a halfback next to Greene.


First off, I'm not advocating the "traded for him to sell tickets" angle. Don't buy it for a second. This isn't the Charleston Chiefs of the Federal League of minor league hockey. This is the NFL. This is New York City. The Jets average 96% capacity. They are not short of media attention. That's a weak angle.

There are two possibilites. 1) The Jets are stupid enough to think they can bring in Tebow and treat him like some other player you'd give up a 4th and 6th for as a backup QB. Sure, a player like that you can logically think of some limited set of plays where their skills would logically fit. Logically, Tebow would be a good limited package QB. We can all pat ourselves on the back for figuring out the logical and obvious use of his skills.

However....that ignores the reality of the Tebow Phenomenon.

The Tebow Phenomenon is anything but logical. Team Tebow (Tebow, his immediate handlers, his fans, the media hype machine) thinks of itself as a starting QB. It had a taste of it in Denver (and looking at the W-L column, did quite well). It will not, I repeat, will not, settle for a limited role. If the Jets think they can comfortably devise some sort of limited role for Team Tebow and have everyone to fit comfortably into that role they are dumber than even I thought. The roar to start Tebow will begin the minute Training Camp starts and will reach a deafening crescendo by the first time Sanchez throws a pick or looks uninspired on the field. The Jets have no idea what they are dealing with here if this is their plan.

Possibility #2 is that despite saying Sanchise is their guy and that Tebow is a backup (with maybe a limited package role) the Jets are secretly hoping Tebow eithers pushes Sanchise for the starting role, thus making Sanchise work harder and get better, or hoping that Tebow flat out beats him out for the starting job.

In short, you can't ignore the Tebow name. That's impossible and unrealistic.
 
rka
2012-03-24 02:33:10 PM

SVenus: What is the over/under on number of Manning fueled wins before Manning retires for good?

Because I want to pick the under.

Manning is going to be good/great until he's knocked down hard. Then it's over.


The same could be said for any other player in the NFL. Every doctor involved has said Manning is under no greater danger than anyone else.

Do you know something they don't?

Do we need an NFL version of the Truther?
 
2012-03-24 02:33:45 PM

VvonderJesus: ♫ It's the cirrrcle of liiiiiife ♫


It's the wheeeeeel of forrrr-CHUNE....
 
2012-03-24 02:52:12 PM

rka: However....that ignores the reality of the Tebow Phenomenon.


First of all, the "Tebow Phenomenon" might have been a big deal in Denver when they had a shiatty team and Tebow was just sitting on the bench as a QB drafted in the 1st round, and the fans screamed for him to play because it's not like he could do any worse. This is New York, where there is a wacko screaming about Jesus on every street corner and subway stop. Plus there are few other sports teams in the area that might draw some headlines away from his Holiness.

Second, I love how Tim Tebow is some kind of superstar athlete, who has one hundreds of games as a starter. Oh that's right! He isn't! He's a guy who got a chance to show what he could do as a starter and through solid D and some luck he was able to get his team to the playoffs and barely win a game. Everyone knows what he is now and they realize he is a wildcat QB/FB player, which is why Denver only got a 4th rounder for him, because if he was worth more they would have gotten more.

Florida, Colorado, and Pat Robertson might have a hardon for all things Tebow, but in New York he's just another guy with a famous name.
 
2012-03-24 02:53:28 PM

rka: WTF Indeed: downtownkid: The Jets signed Tebow to sell tickets and nothing else. He's never run the wildcat at any level.

rka: There is no "Tebow package" option. It's all or nothing with Tebow.

I'll give you that they traded for Tebow knowing he would sell tickets and it's a splash. But if it was just a splash than it was a splash that cost the Jets 1 net draft pick, and $3 million dollars(2.5 million for Tebow, 500,000 for Stanton). Are you saying that everyone in the organization thought it was okay to spend a draft pick and $3 million dollars for a few headlines?

If you look at just Tebow's skill package and ignore the name Tebow you will see a guy who fits perfectly within a wildcat system. Is a real threat to throw, can run the option, can run the QB draw up the middle, can power run, can outside run, can run Westoff's special team fakes, can line up as fullback or a halfback next to Greene.

First off, I'm not advocating the "traded for him to sell tickets" angle. Don't buy it for a second. This isn't the Charleston Chiefs of the Federal League of minor league hockey. This is the NFL. This is New York City. The Jets average 96% capacity. They are not short of media attention. That's a weak angle.


The Jets may average 96% capacity, but they sure as hell don't average 96% of tickets sold. They have had a very hard time selling PSL's, and beyond tickets there is advertising, merchandise, concessions, etc. Woody Johnson has openly stated that he believes you need a big name quarterback to succeed in the New York market. It's not a coincidence that they signed Favre after the last Giants super bowl and Tebow after this one.

If you think this is about anything but selling tickets you are a fool.
 
2012-03-24 03:01:16 PM
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"Colts eat Stanton...."
 
rka
2012-03-24 03:02:37 PM

WTF Indeed: Second, I love how Tim Tebow is some kind of superstar athlete, who has one hundreds of games as a starter. Oh that's right! He isn't! He's a guy who got a chance to show what he could do as a starter and through solid D and some luck he was able to get his team to the playoffs and barely win a game. Everyone knows what he is now and they realize he is a wildcat QB/FB player, which is why Denver only got a 4th rounder for him, because if he was worth more they would have gotten more.


You keep talking logically, I don't dispute anything you typed here. I'm saying you're missing the point.

Tebowmania is anti-logic.
 
2012-03-24 05:18:02 PM

Snapper Carr: And Ryan Diem realizes (new window) there's no point in sticking around any longer.


I'm surprised he didn't get up and leave half a second before everyone else.
 
2012-03-24 06:13:13 PM
Is this the one time that I, a Bronco fan, gets to sit and just be a smug, happy bastard?

/cuz i'm doing it
//enjoy Tebow, NYC
///First INT by Sanchez and his followers will over run you
////or the media rips him apart, either one
//go John Elway!
 
2012-03-24 11:06:55 PM
BUT WHAT ABOUT CURTIS PAINTER?!?!?!?!?!
 
2012-03-25 01:05:09 AM
Just remember: The Chargers upgraded their second round and got a third round for Charlie Whitehurst.

Tebow is apparently worth less than a third stringer who never took a snap.
 
2012-03-26 01:16:39 PM

WTF Indeed: The Bestest: -Tebow being traded to the Jets (amazing how the Jets got burned TWICE by the affair, and that the second move seems to contradict the first)

Actually, the Tebow move is not that surprising from the Jets point of view. Rex Ryan always hated defending the wildcat. Brad Smith used to run it very well when he was on the Jets. Tony Sopranro is the the wildcat guy when it comes to the offense, and Tebow is the perfect player to run a wildcat system with. The only reason this is a big deal is because he's TIM TEBOW, and the media will make a big deal out of it. If this was some guy who didn't win two national championships and was taken were he should have been in the draft(4th round) this would be a total non-story. Instead we get all of this shiat.


If the Jets were that desperate for a wildcat guy who can't throw the ball like an NFL quarterback, they should have waited a year and used that 4th round pick on Denard Robinson.

/Robinson for Heisman.
 
2012-03-26 01:17:55 PM

rmcooper4: Blink: Harv72b: It's gonna be another long season in Indy, Colts fans.


The only reason I can think of to watch the Colts at this point is Austin Collie. Reggie Wayne has gotten old and slow, and it's pretty obvious his job is just to train Luck for a year or two (and then he'll be gone).

It feels I was dating a girl that looked like Kate Beckinsale -- and then a week later, she's gained 300 pounds, developed a raspy smoker's voice, grew warts/rash all over her body, and developed a Jersey accent. How the hell am I supposed to stay loyal to this shiat? Hey Irsay, remember when you said that if Peyton was well enough to play, he'd play for the Colts? Yeah, you and your farking organization are dead to me. Way to dump every aspect of the team we fans had any connection to. I get that it's a business -- but, doesn't that mean you should do something to excite/appease your fans at least on some level? It just doesn't seem like good business to say: "fark all of you, now give me lots of money!"

They're in rebuilding mode. Do you want to have a team that is watchable in 3-4 years? Keeping around a bunch of old guys with bloated contracts for the sake of nostalgia is poor business and leads to a poor product. Further, half the players they released spent large chunks of time out injured. It wasn't like you got to watch them anyway and they weren't going to get any better.

I know lots of Colts fans have gotten used to the playoffs every year, but it's time to come back to reality. Lots of teams have gone through this knowing that cutting some ties and bringing in new blood will pay dividends down the road. Football isn't always an immediate gratification sport. Be patient.


As a Lions fan, I'm getting a kick.

Just hope that Luck is more Matt Stafford and less Joey Harrington.
 
2012-03-26 02:35:15 PM
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