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(ESPN)   All of the Miami Heat players don hoodies for picture in support of Trayvon Martin's family. Except for the one white guy on the team, he wasn't there that day   (espn.go.com) divider line 123
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2012-03-23 09:54:02 PM
Please. Keep making a big deal out of the issue. It will obviously have no blow back. Just the Liberal Elite Athletes making their voices known, with their agenda to promote racial harmony and fair play, which will suddenly be exactly what's wrong with this nation soon enough.

I've an idea: why doesn't Geraldo and Fox come out against football and baseball too, while they're at it? Just a bunch of sissies in stretchy uniforms, right? Millionaires who prance around trying to tell our kids how to act, while they rich it up?
 
2012-03-23 09:57:29 PM

hubiestubert: Please. Keep making a big deal out of the issue. It will obviously have no blow back. Just the Liberal Elite Athletes making their voices known, with their agenda to promote racial harmony and fair play, which will suddenly be exactly what's wrong with this nation soon enough.

I've an idea: why doesn't Geraldo and Fox come out against football and baseball too, while they're at it? Just a bunch of sissies in stretchy uniforms, right? Millionaires who prance around trying to tell our kids how to act, while they rich it up?


You forget, there's an awful lot of racists out there who are going to view this as threatening. The GOP is making an issue out of this for a reason, aside the fact that they'll support any firearm death no matter what. But they aren't focusing on the guns. They're subliminally reminding those borderline racists like my father about the scary minorities and why you need to protect themselves.

They don't think this is a losing issue with their potential voters, and I doubt they're wrong either. For all the War on Women is losing them women voters, this will win them back white male voters who might have left.
 
2012-03-23 10:02:02 PM

GAT_00: You forget, there's an awful lot of racists out there who are going to view this as threatening. The GOP is making an issue out of this for a reason, aside the fact that they'll support any firearm death no matter what. But they aren't focusing on the guns. They're subliminally reminding those borderline racists like my father about the scary minorities and why you need to protect themselves.

They don't think this is a losing issue with their potential voters, and I doubt they're wrong either. For all the War on Women is losing them women voters, this will win them back white male voters who might have left.


But at the cost of a lot of other demographics. Yeah, the white racist vote is out there, but how many NASCAR Dads aren't going to be giving donations this year, AND won't be voting for a GOP candidate, on ANY ticket thanks to this mess?

It's like the leadership is bound and determined to make the GOP a regional party like the Democrats were for so long...
 
2012-03-23 10:02:25 PM
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2012-03-23 10:06:50 PM

hubiestubert: how many NASCAR Dads


You misunderstand. This is winning those people back.
 
2012-03-23 10:18:28 PM
I couldn't help myself, I had to read some of the comments. Now my head hurts.
 
2012-03-23 10:28:22 PM

GAT_00: hubiestubert: how many NASCAR Dads

You misunderstand. This is winning those people back.


Some of them. And it's going to lose a lot. These last few months have got a lot of guys my generation, and who have been registered Republican, and increasingly uncomfortable with the party's platforms and rhetoric, getting more and more disgusted. It's going to lose generations of folks. Men. Women. Minorities. It's stripping the Big Tent, and it looks like that is the strategy. And it will lose folks for generations.

Yes, there are some racist asshats and ignorant putzes, who will be enthusiastic. And their enthusiasm will drive a lot of folks away. Already is.
 
2012-03-23 10:40:25 PM

hubiestubert: And it's going to lose a lot.


Racism has always been a big voting block in this country. Nixon and his 'law and order' campaign he stole nearly verbatim in places from George Wallace proved that.
 
2012-03-23 10:43:44 PM
Yes. This will solve everything.
 
2012-03-23 10:43:54 PM

hubiestubert: why doesn't Geraldo and Fox come out against football and baseball too


Geraldo's oldest son is a bit ashamed of the old man (new window)
 
2012-03-24 01:00:57 AM
As the article clearly states, the player in question was not with the team because of injury, and since this was a spontaneous thing, they couldn't just get him there on a whim. Way to subtly play up the reverse racism angle to get a greenlight, subby.

However, regardless of the circumstances, I would have hoped that the most widespread takeaway from this whole clusterfark is an epiphany on the differing perceptions of people being white late at night and people being black late at night. The white person doesn't have to worry that this could happen to him, no matter what he's wearing. But Trayvon Martin could have been dressed like Brother Mouzone and he still might have aroused suspicion in some stupid racist vigilante.
 
2012-03-24 01:47:48 AM

hubiestubert: Please. Keep making a big deal out of the issue. It will obviously have no blow back. Just the Liberal Elite Athletes making their voices known, with their agenda to promote racial harmony and fair play, which will suddenly be exactly what's wrong with this nation soon enough.

I've an idea: why doesn't Geraldo and Fox come out against football and baseball too, while they're at it? Just a bunch of sissies in stretchy uniforms, right? Millionaires who prance around trying to tell our kids how to act, while they rich it up?


I'm waiting to see how they try and turn Obama's, "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," comment, which expresses the fear of every black parent who has a son, into a negative. Because you know it's coming, Obama can't even obliquely reference anything remotely related to race without them losing their heads, so you know they aren't going to be able to keep their mouth shut and not say something horribly offensive.
 
2012-03-24 02:57:58 AM

GAT_00: The GOP is making an issue out of this


Did I miss something?
 
2012-03-24 03:17:13 AM
They only named one of the hashtags. Here are the others used:

The photo, accompanied by the hashtags "#WeAreTrayvonMartin," "#Hoodies," "#Stereotyped" and "#WeWantJustice,"
 
2012-03-24 06:05:53 AM

FishyFred: As the article clearly states, the player in question was not with the team because of injury, and since this was a spontaneous thing, they couldn't just get him there on a whim.


I really can't help but think they may have waited had a player of a different race been injured and unavailable for the photo. Incidentally, that's not a bad thing (except to old, racist white people) considering the underlying racial tensions involved in this case. Besides, the "white" people involved in this are the police, and let me tell you, as the crackeriest cracker that's ever cracked, I hate the fuzz.
 
2012-03-24 06:17:07 AM
Were any of them carrying Skittles?
No? They should be safe then.
 
2012-03-24 06:24:38 AM

GAT_00: hubiestubert: Please. Keep making a big deal out of the issue. It will obviously have no blow back. Just the Liberal Elite Athletes making their voices known, with their agenda to promote racial harmony and fair play, which will suddenly be exactly what's wrong with this nation soon enough.

I've an idea: why doesn't Geraldo and Fox come out against football and baseball too, while they're at it? Just a bunch of sissies in stretchy uniforms, right? Millionaires who prance around trying to tell our kids how to act, while they rich it up?

You forget, there's an awful lot of racists out there who are going to view this as threatening. The GOP is making an issue out of this for a reason, aside the fact that they'll support any firearm death no matter what. But they aren't focusing on the guns. They're subliminally reminding those borderline racists like my father about the scary minorities and why you need to protect themselves.

They don't think this is a losing issue with their potential voters, and I doubt they're wrong either. For all the War on Women is losing them women voters, this will win them back white male voters who might have left.


Actually from what I have been reading all of the GOP Presidential candidates have stated that there needs to be an investigation into this. However Newt did get all derpy and say that the statement that Obama made regarding this was disgusting.
 
2012-03-24 07:25:29 AM
I'm all for going after the scumbag who decided it was time to go ITG IRL. But I'm ridiculously tired of reading the Fark threads about it and seeing the bigots come out from all corners on the subject.

So please, keep it off the sports page, huh?
 
2012-03-24 07:26:17 AM

rynthetyn: hubiestubert: Please. Keep making a big deal out of the issue. It will obviously have no blow back. Just the Liberal Elite Athletes making their voices known, with their agenda to promote racial harmony and fair play, which will suddenly be exactly what's wrong with this nation soon enough.

I've an idea: why doesn't Geraldo and Fox come out against football and baseball too, while they're at it? Just a bunch of sissies in stretchy uniforms, right? Millionaires who prance around trying to tell our kids how to act, while they rich it up?

I'm waiting to see how they try and turn Obama's, "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," comment, which expresses the fear of every black parent who has a son, into a negative. Because you know it's coming, Obama can't even obliquely reference anything remotely related to race without them losing their heads, so you know they aren't going to be able to keep their mouth shut and not say something horribly offensive.


My guess is that they're waiting until Monday stop that they can use the "YOU'RE the real racists for trying to read between the lines in order to find something racist in our totally legitimate criticism of the Muslim Thug In Chief" angle before non-Fox viewers will be able to point out their bigotry, which I'm guessing will be about as subtle and stealthy as a mariachi band covering Iron Maiden.

Fox News' window to do so will be about 4 minutes.
 
2012-03-24 07:29:28 AM

FriarReb98: I'm all for going after the scumbag who decided it was time to go ITG IRL. But I'm ridiculously tired of reading the Fark threads about it and seeing the bigots come out from all corners on the subject.

So please, keep it off the sports page, huh?


This particular story is about players on a sports team voicing their opinion on the subject. Why shouldn't it be on the sports tab?
 
2012-03-24 07:40:34 AM

King Something: "YOU'RE the real racists


that's why I tell people to stop insisting he said "coons". Personally, I think he said punks. Many say they think it's coons but it's not clear. If it isn't clear, don't be so bold in stating it. You're leaving a straw man for those who want to pick at you. Like when Steinem called for the FCC to investigate Rush, it didn't change what Limbaugh said, but it gave his defenders something to point at and scream "SEEE!!??!".
 
2012-03-24 07:45:20 AM

King Something: about as subtle and stealthy as a mariachi band covering Iron Maiden


Sorry for the threadjack, but this seriously needs to happen.

/fark Geraldo Rivera, that no-talent asshat needs to be banned from TV permanently
//major respect for the Heat for this
 
2012-03-24 08:23:53 AM
That was a really cool thing for them to do, particularly since many of them have been shy to wade into politically charged arguments in the past.

/racists buy sneakers too
//actually, probably not
 
2012-03-24 08:25:39 AM
Everyone sure is jumping all over the cops and the uber racist white people (aren't they all), but does anyone remember the black Harvard (??) professor that was attacked by the cops and the uber racist white people (aren't the all)? Didn't everyone including the president jump all over those cops and the uber racist white people (aren't they all)? Didn't it come out that the copes and the uber racist white people (aren't they all) were actually right?

Alls I'm saying is "chiiilllllllll". We'll hear both sides to this story soon enough. The last place any of us should get our information is the over reactionary media bent on propagating their own agenda (whatever that may be).
 
2012-03-24 08:51:18 AM

Jack_Knopf: Didn't it come out that the copes and the uber racist white people (aren't they all) were actually right?


So it wasn't the mans own house? I guess I remember that wrongly.
 
2012-03-24 09:06:15 AM

Jack_Knopf: Didn't it come out that the copes and the uber racist white people (aren't they all) were actually right?


Really? I'm pretty sure the black Harvard professor was still just trying to get in to his own house.

Did the truth come out and we found out the black Harvard professor was breaking in to someone's house?
 
2012-03-24 09:36:37 AM
Wait, wait, the heat have a white player? When the hell did this happen?

Second, dwayne wade is dating gabrille union?

Third, she had to being wade's and lebron's attention to the issue? Never act like all rich people are out of touch with the rest of us.
 
2012-03-24 09:42:50 AM

GAT_00: hubiestubert: how many NASCAR Dads

You misunderstand. This is winning those people back.


It's not necessarily racists they're looking to gain support with this, but the gun-crazed types. Now, I realize the Venn diagram for these two groups has significant overlap, but the distinction is important because the gun crazies is absolutely going to be a larger group and more palatable for pulling in "moderates". Everyone thinks they could be Dirty Harry if the situation called for it and all that.
 
2012-03-24 09:44:39 AM
This is the part where we hang Geraldo for telling the truth about an unfair but well known stereotype of young black and latino males wearing hoodies being gang members?

The shooter is a murderer. I'm certainly not going to argue in his favor. The question Geraldo is addressing though is, would this kid have been shot if he wasn't dressed like a stereotypical gang member? None of us can know but we can probably at least safely guess that he had a much better chance of not being shot if he wasn't in that hoodie.

It's certainly not the kid's fault. It's the fault of the stereotype that white suburban America has come to accept about what a gang member looks like because of every TV show and movie that portrays them that way.

/old white guy that owns three hoodies
 
2012-03-24 09:58:47 AM

Jack_Knopf: Didn't it come out that the copes and the uber racist white people (aren't they all) were actually right?


NO. It did NOT come out that the racist white people were actually right.

Check out Fox legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano explaining that,
if Professor Gates was arrested because of the words he used to the police inside his house, on the front porch or on the front lawn, it was an improper arrest.

On the other hand, when the police got there, all they had was the report from 9-1-1. They didn't know whose house it was. They didn't know if a break-in had occurred. They didn't know if the owner in the house was aware or unaware of a break-in. So, if we just take the police report -- which I've read til I'm blue in the face -- and we just take Massachusetts law, and we take federal law, which I'll talk about in a minute, the question is was there a proper arrest.

In my view, there was NOT a proper arrest. I can understand the policeman's motivation. He didn't know who lived in or owned that house. He didn't know if a break-in had occurred and the owner of the house was unaware of it. But, he did know this: the law says that unless HE WITNESSES a felony -- chasing somebody into the house -- or unless he has a piece of paper from a judge -- a search warrant or arrest warrant saying you can go in that house, he CAN'T go in the house. So when Professor Gates said, "no, you can't come in," and the police went in anyway, [the police] violated the federal constitution.
It's rather amazing that the FOX legal analyst believes 1) the arrest of Gates was clearly improper, violating both Massachusetts law and the US Constitution and 2) Gates had a reasonable basis for suing the police for improper arrest.

Here's the video: Gates arrest was improper
 
2012-03-24 10:01:19 AM

bulldg4life: Really? I'm pretty sure the black Harvard professor was still just trying to get in to his own house.

Did the truth come out and we found out the black Harvard professor was breaking in to someone's house?


No, but there were conflicting accounts about what happened. According to the professor the cops came he showed them multiple ID's including his drivers license and Harvard ID but the cops still didn't believe it was his house because he was black. According to the cops when the arrived to the house the front door lock appeared to be damaged, when the professor came to the door they asked him for ID and instead of simply showing the cops his id the professor became belligerent.
 
2012-03-24 10:09:22 AM
We are not giving Zimmerman a beer for killing a black kid. How can you even CONSIDER that, Fark?
 
2012-03-24 10:25:07 AM

jayhawk88: GAT_00: hubiestubert: how many NASCAR Dads

You misunderstand. This is winning those people back.

It's not necessarily racists they're looking to gain support with this, but the gun-crazed types. Now, I realize the Venn diagram for these two groups has significant overlap, but the distinction is important because the gun crazies is absolutely going to be a larger group and more palatable for pulling in "moderates". Everyone thinks they could be Dirty Harry if the situation called for it and all that.


Eh, actually most of the gun nuts agree this was a bad shoot and is going to bring out the fanatical, just-as-crazy anti gun nuts. Most CCW holders agree that the best strategy when assaulted is to run away if at all possible, not escalate the situation. It's the media shiat storm that surprises me. I'm guessing a good 20 or so young black men have been shot by other young black men for no good reason in Florida since this happened but nobody is speaking up for them. It's like getting kidnapped if you aren't an attractive white teen female.
 
2012-03-24 10:28:08 AM

DrewCurtisJr: No, but there were conflicting accounts about what happened.


As Judge Napolitano explained, the fact that there are differing accounts doesn't matter in the Gates case.

The facts that are NOT in dispute point to improper conduct by the police.

Per Napolitano: 1) unless the police actually witnessed a felony or possessed a warrant, they had no legal right to enter the house without Gates' permission. When Gates denied his permission to enter the home, the police were legally obliged to leave 2) they were also wrong to arrest for disorderly conduct:
[the law] allows for an arrest for being disorderly if you are in public and if your behavior is so disruptive that it is preventing persons lawfully present from doing whatever they're lawfully present to do. So, you can't be disorderly if you're in a desert alone because there's no one else there. And, you can't be disorderly if you're in your house or on your property because that's not a public place. So, if Professor Gates was arrested because of the words he used to the police inside his house, on the front porch or on the front lawn, it was an improper arrest.
 
2012-03-24 10:39:28 AM
As my crim law professor said, Gates' mistake was forgetting that in the eyes of most people, he was a black man first, Harvard professor second.
 
2012-03-24 10:46:12 AM

drewogatory: Most CCW holders agree that the best strategy when assaulted is to run away if at all possible, not escalate the situation.


That's why stand your ground laws are so amazingly stupid.

Most CCW holders are, in fact, reasonable, responsible people who will naturally be disinclined to use their weapon. Almost all of them will choose to retreat -- if they're in a public place -- rather than engage with some lunatic. They won't fire on another human being unless they're absolutely forced to. And, the law of self defense already excuses killing someone under those circumstances.

But, the stand your ground laws basically give license to those few people with hero fantasies to kill somebody they perceive as being the bad guy -- regardless of whether the "bad guy" is actually bad.

That's scary.

Another thing that's really perverse about these laws is the fact that, in a case like this one, either party might have been justified in killing the other. That is, if two people simply misunderstand each other (e.g. one thinks he's apprehending a burglar, while simultaneously the other thinks he's being stalked and attacked by a crazed killer), it might end up in the death of one of them for no good reason. Neither is doing anything illegal and each feels genuinely threatened by the other. Rather than letting the police handle the situation or retreating to safety, each one has been given the green light by law to stand his ground and shoot to kill the other.

The people who said removing the duty to retreat sets up a shoot first law, they were right. Look at what happened here.
 
2012-03-24 10:50:54 AM

eraser8: As Judge Napolitano explained, the fact that there are differing accounts doesn't matter in the Gates case.


Almost all of the attention this case was because of the accusations of racism, not the questions about the 4th amendment violations, so it does matter.
 
2012-03-24 10:53:32 AM

drewogatory: jayhawk88: GAT_00: hubiestubert: how many NASCAR Dads

You misunderstand. This is winning those people back.

It's not necessarily racists they're looking to gain support with this, but the gun-crazed types. Now, I realize the Venn diagram for these two groups has significant overlap, but the distinction is important because the gun crazies is absolutely going to be a larger group and more palatable for pulling in "moderates". Everyone thinks they could be Dirty Harry if the situation called for it and all that.

Eh, actually most of the gun nuts agree this was a bad shoot and is going to bring out the fanatical, just-as-crazy anti gun nuts. Most CCW holders agree that the best strategy when assaulted is to run away if at all possible, not escalate the situation. It's the media shiat storm that surprises me. I'm guessing a good 20 or so young black men have been shot by other young black men for no good reason in Florida since this happened but nobody is speaking up for them. It's like getting kidnapped if you aren't an attractive white teen female.


Yeah. I've had a CCW--don't need one now in Western Mass--and this whole thing sets my teeth on edge. It was bad from the get go. I am very much in the camp that supports the right to carry, but that comes with responsibility, and even in this case, the Stand Your Ground trope is violated, as Zimmerman pursued the young man to confront him.

He went looking for trouble, and in this case, he found it, shot it, and figured he was done with it. And the sad thing is, that it only encourages folks to do the same, and they aren't necessarily going to find minors armed with Skittles...
 
2012-03-24 10:53:47 AM
The real smart ones here are the Orlando Magic

Notice they did not do the "hoodie thang"...even though they are the NBA team in the same metro area as Martin lived in (Sanford is part of Orlando SMSA)

A lot of Magic fans, although very upset that T Martin was killed, are not gonna go for that Black Racist/Al Sharpton/WiGL (White Guilt Liberal) nonsense...nor are the Magic's local sponsors. People in Orlando are already tired of the story...tired of being called racists by Hate Groups and MSM.

This nonsense is getting out of hand. None of this brings back T Martin
 
2012-03-24 10:54:13 AM

eraser8: The people who said removing the duty to retreat sets up a shoot first law, they were right. Look at what happened here


What I found funny was the law was first used to get guys off during a gang shootout, nobody raised the issue then.
 
2012-03-24 10:56:01 AM

DrewCurtisJr: Almost all of the attention this case was because of the accusations of racism, not the questions about the 4th amendment violations, so it does matter.


This sub-thread began because someone asked, "[d]idn't it come out that the copes and the uber racist white people (aren't they all) were actually right?"

The answer to that question is an unequivocal no. The police had no right to enter Gates' house and, in fact, had an obligation to leave when he told them to. And, the police had no cause to arrest Gates for disorderly conduct.

We can speculate on race all day long, it wouldn't change the fact that the police "acted stupidly."
 
2012-03-24 10:56:51 AM

steamingpile: What I found funny was the law was first used to get guys off during a gang shootout, nobody raised the issue then.


Why is that funny?
 
2012-03-24 10:59:29 AM

FishyFred: The white person doesn't have to worry that this could happen to him, no matter what he's wearing.


If you're white, walk around at 2am in the hood of little Havana in 'whitey' clothes and see how you feel welcomed.

/just saying this can go both ways.
/white typically think "that guy is black - he must be committing a crime"
/blacks typically think "that guy is white - we can probably rob him."
 
2012-03-24 11:02:07 AM

moefuggenbrew: blacks typically think "that guy is white - we can probably rob him."


You really believe that blacks TYPICALLY think robbery when they see a white person?
 
2012-03-24 11:02:43 AM

eraser8: moefuggenbrew: blacks typically think "that guy is white - we can probably rob him."

You really believe that blacks TYPICALLY think robbery when they see a white person?


I cant' believe he eats his gramma's putang with that dirty mouth.
 
2012-03-24 11:03:50 AM
Good for them.
 
2012-03-24 11:04:46 AM

eraser8: This sub-thread began because someone asked, "[d]idn't it come out that the copes and the uber racist white people (aren't they all) were actually right?"


I think by "right" he meant, the cops version of events, which didn't seem to indicate that the arrest was a case of racial injustice and profiling that some made it out to be. Isn't that why they had the beer summit?
 
2012-03-24 11:06:14 AM

eraser8: moefuggenbrew: blacks typically think "that guy is white - we can probably rob him."

You really believe that blacks TYPICALLY think robbery when they see a white person?


Well it was a joke but... In the office building with respectable people at 3pm, no. But at 2am in the hood in little Havana, yes.
 
2012-03-24 11:10:11 AM

drewogatory: It's the media shiat storm that surprises me.


I know. It's actually a little encouraging that the media will actually report on the murder of a young black man. Of course, they're only reporting on it because of the groundswell of public outrage at this murder and the ridiculous law that he used to get away with it. Well, got away with it until people like me made such a fuss at the utter bullshiat of all of it that the FBI and the DOJ got involved.
 
2012-03-24 11:11:39 AM

DrewCurtisJr: I think by "right" he meant, the cops version of events, which didn't seem to indicate that the arrest was a case of racial injustice and profiling that some made it out to be.


Even if that's the tack you want to take, I'm not sure how you figure the police were ever proved right.

What I find interesting is that even if you take the police report to be the absolute true version of events, the police acted inappropriately and unlawfully.

DrewCurtisJr: Isn't that why they had the beer summit?


No. The beer summit was to reduce tension. It wasn't about deciding that Gates wasn't viewed more suspiciously because he's a black man.
 
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