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2012-03-23 06:45:59 PM

RoxtarRyan: timujin: I have a tethering/hotspot app on my Droid called PdaNet, no rooting was required.

I used PDAnet for a while, until doing some research on Wifi vs USB tethering. The speed can't be touched, in favor of Wifi. However, it is recommended that you have it plugged in anyways, because hot damn, you can burn through the battery in about 3 hours. There may be newer versions out that support Wifi tethering, though. Also, I had a lot of issues with PDANet dropping constantly on my Samsung Charge (granted, it was a POS phone to begin with), so I looked into other options. Once I went back to Motorola, it was a piece of cake to make it a hotspot.


I'm on v3-something and it's been pretty good so far and works as a hotspot and over USB. I haven't had any dropout or battery issues, though I've only used it when I couldn't connect over wifi, which is pretty rare.
 
2012-03-23 06:50:15 PM

HeartBurnKid: jaerik: Uh, I'm confused.

On my friends' AT&T iPads, if they buy 5GB of data and exceed that, it doesn't flip itself to some automatic crazy charge. It tells them they're out of data, kills the data connection, and pops a window asking them if they want to buy more data on the spot.

As far as I know, it's been this way since the beginning. Does Verizon do it differently? Why are we talking about stealth overages?

I have the unlimited grandfathered, so I don't have to deal with it. But if I want tethering or mi-fi I have to pay extra. As far as I know, so does everyone on any carrier unless you root your device and tether against the carriers' Terms of Service, in which case I imagine most people prefer to just spend the $20 than hassle with it.

My G2 had tethering ability out of the box, and there are a few no-root tether apps in the Google market. T-Mobile does nominally charge extra for tethering, but they really don't give too much of a damn if you do an end-run around it.


Sure, but all iPhones and Androids have tethering / mi-fi capability now. So it's not really about whether the device can do it, it's about whether your carrier will let you and whether you're grandfathered unlimited or not. As far as I know, nobody has unlimited plans anymore except T-Mobile, and I wouldn't place bets on that lasting much longer.

Folks seem to be conflating the Android vs. Apple wars with what the carriers let you do, which are totally separate arguments. If you're gunna pay $30/month for tethering support or your tablet without hacking around the carrier, then you can't really complain about paying $30/month for a data plan for your device directly, unless you share it for more.

It's the same money, unless you're talking about the price difference for the 4G vs. Wi-Fi devices itself, which I agree is somewhat dumb.
 
2012-03-23 07:02:37 PM
If I bought an ipad, I'd get the Verizon LTE version but only because I want the GPS to use with navigation software. (Yes, it's worth the extra money to me to have it built in. I'm aware I could buy a bluetooth GPS but that's just one more gadget to carry around and keep charged.) I've already got unlimited* 4G hotspot serivce thru my Android phone which is always with me so I have no need to pay for yet another data plan. The number of times I'd potentially be out and about with my tablet but not my phone is zero. It would be like leaving the house without my wallet or keys.

*I know it's only unlimited until I try to actually move more than a few gigs of data, then they'll get all pissy.
 
2012-03-23 07:06:26 PM

jtown: If I bought an ipad, I'd get the Verizon LTE version but only because I want the GPS to use with navigation software. (Yes, it's worth the extra money to me to have it built in. I'm aware I could buy a bluetooth GPS but that's just one more gadget to carry around and keep charged.) I've already got unlimited* 4G hotspot serivce thru my Android phone which is always with me so I have no need to pay for yet another data plan. The number of times I'd potentially be out and about with my tablet but not my phone is zero. It would be like leaving the house without my wallet or keys.

*I know it's only unlimited until I try to actually move more than a few gigs of data, then they'll get all pissy.


That's probably what I would do.

BUT

If AT&T or Verizon had easy to create, easy to break one day, two day, three day plans, I probably would buy those when traveling.
 
2012-03-23 07:25:35 PM

Gig103: Also, if somebody buys a 4G ipad it is the only device that can use it, and the tablet Costs more.


All of Verizon's iPad plans include wifi hotspot sharing. AT&T, on the other hand, doesn't offer it at all, even as an add-on.
 
2012-03-23 07:41:00 PM

jaerik: HeartBurnKid: jaerik: Uh, I'm confused.

On my friends' AT&T iPads, if they buy 5GB of data and exceed that, it doesn't flip itself to some automatic crazy charge. It tells them they're out of data, kills the data connection, and pops a window asking them if they want to buy more data on the spot.

As far as I know, it's been this way since the beginning. Does Verizon do it differently? Why are we talking about stealth overages?

I have the unlimited grandfathered, so I don't have to deal with it. But if I want tethering or mi-fi I have to pay extra. As far as I know, so does everyone on any carrier unless you root your device and tether against the carriers' Terms of Service, in which case I imagine most people prefer to just spend the $20 than hassle with it.

My G2 had tethering ability out of the box, and there are a few no-root tether apps in the Google market. T-Mobile does nominally charge extra for tethering, but they really don't give too much of a damn if you do an end-run around it.

Sure, but all iPhones and Androids have tethering / mi-fi capability now. So it's not really about whether the device can do it, it's about whether your carrier will let you and whether you're grandfathered unlimited or not. As far as I know, nobody has unlimited plans anymore except T-Mobile, and I wouldn't place bets on that lasting much longer.

Folks seem to be conflating the Android vs. Apple wars with what the carriers let you do, which are totally separate arguments. If you're gunna pay $30/month for tethering support or your tablet without hacking around the carrier, then you can't really complain about paying $30/month for a data plan for your device directly, unless you share it for more.

It's the same money, unless you're talking about the price difference for the 4G vs. Wi-Fi devices itself, which I agree is somewhat dumb.


I don't think you're getting me. I'm talking about options you have without paying the fee. The only problem is that some of the carriers will start sending you threatening letters if they think you're tethering without giving them their ricockulous fee, but T-Mobile doesn't even bother to do that.
 
2012-03-23 07:43:19 PM

Babwa Wawa: Looks like this is a Netzero ad.

What I find funny is that the article talks about how cheap Netzero is. But in fact, LTE is around $30 for the first 2GB and $10 each GB thereafter. So a 4GB plan is about $50. Which is exactly the monthly cost of a 4GB plan for Netzero.


Which is still highway robbery if it was 5 bucks for that amount of data.
 
2012-03-23 07:47:11 PM

Ghastly: WiFi at home. WiFi in the downtown core. WiFi in every coffee shop I frequent. Worse comes to worst I can tether my tablet to my phone.

Toshiba Thrive so I don't even have a data plan for it as it has no 4G anyways.


Hey, another Thrive user!

I use my phone as a Wifi Hotspot and use my Thrive anywhere I go.
 
2012-03-23 07:52:53 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: DjangoStonereaver: My fear is that wired ISPs will try to move their pricing model to be more like the cell phone companies, with
artificial monthly caps on data that will strangle home users.

Comcast has a 200GB a month cap. At&t had a 150GB cap on DSL and 250 on Uverse.TWC tried to have a 50GB a month cap but people went apeshiat


I didn't know that. Depressing.
 
2012-03-23 07:59:33 PM
Like others, I usually use my iPad at home and where free wifi is available. And, at the rates streaming eats up your data plan based on some articles I've read, I wouldn't want to crush my Verizon data plan each month.
 
2012-03-23 07:59:49 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Comcast has a 200GB a month cap.


250GB.

/trust me
//I've pushed it
 
2012-03-23 08:03:48 PM
When AT&T offers tethering -- for free -- I will THINK about activating the data plan.

The fact is, it may be very useful to me in the future, but right now I'm good with wifi or the occasional tether to my iPhone. I do like that they allow you to start and stop the data plan from month to month. I have a new job nearly every month, so my circumstances change a lot.
 
2012-03-23 08:08:34 PM
PC World says using the LTE option on iPad and smartphones to stream video can burn up an entire month's worth of a data plan just watching a couple hours of video

Link (PCWorld)
 
2012-03-23 08:23:26 PM

themeaningoflifeisnot: PC World says using the LTE option on iPad and smartphones to stream video can burn up an entire month's worth of a data plan just watching a couple hours of video

Link (PCWorld)


That's my experience. I had a Motorola 4G Xoom for a while and it was blazing fast.

But Netflix detects your speed and if you have a great speed to them, they send you relatively uncompressed data, so watching the same movie on a 4G Xoom as on a 3G Nexus One required 2-4 times the data.

I returned the Xoom, not because I didn't like it, but because it was clear their data plans were inadequate.

Netflix says that users can go into their account settings and limit the quality of their downloads, but it's one setting for all devices including wired PCs, not a setting per device, or a setting per browser type, or carrier type.
 
2012-03-23 08:42:15 PM
well, for one, you're opening yourself up to cyber-attack with Wifi...

Two, Ipads don't have Flash.
 
2012-03-23 08:51:31 PM

Babwa Wawa: 2. Those who do use it for mobile are likely to already have a mifi puck with plan, and therefore don't want to spend the extra $30.


Or possibly 3) the early buyers of "the new" iPad are major Apple fanboys and have an iPhone 4/4s with data plans, and can turn them into personal wifi hotspots.
 
2012-03-23 09:31:24 PM
I'll take "What is Pay-As-You-Go for $500 please Alex".

/iPad 2, on 3's PayG system, works fine, £10 every so often job done.
 
2012-03-23 10:35:23 PM

Babwa Wawa: Actually, I find trying to get public wifi with any kind of reliability is a pain in the ass, and it's well worth the $30 to be able to get to m email without trying to find wifi. Case in point: two weeks ago, I was standing underneath the airport wifi sign in terminal B at O'Hare and couldn't get a signal. Even when you do get a signal, boingo sucks donkey balls.


I suppose it comes down to where you live. Most coffee shops, for example, offer free wifi (including Starbucks), so in just about any major city you never have to walk farther than 100 feet to find free wifi.
 
2012-03-23 10:36:05 PM

JohnBigBootay: doglover: I use my tablet as an e-reader. I could get a data plan, but e-reader is enough for me, really. No need to browse fark AND read novels at work.

Damn dog, you could have saved yourself 500 bones and not had to lug that thing around and got yourself a kindle.


Actually, my tablet kicks the kindle's butt in all respects because I can just stick pdfs on a micro SD card and away I go. No bothering with any hooks ups, file transfers, or shiat like that. Plus, it was used and the tablet was cheaper than a kindle.
 
2012-03-23 11:11:46 PM

raygundan: Gig103: Also, if somebody buys a 4G ipad it is the only device that can use it, and the tablet Costs more.

All of Verizon's iPad plans include wifi hotspot sharing. AT&T, on the other hand, doesn't offer it at all, even as an add-on.


I was helping my cousins w/ an iPad 2 on AT&T which explains why I didn't know. But is that only with the "New iPad"?
 
2012-03-23 11:12:54 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Comcast has a 200GB a month cap. At&t had a 150GB cap on DSL and 250 on Uverse.TWC tried to have a 50GB a month cap but people went apeshiat


Just to add to the list for anyone else, Cox added a 200GB cap on their 12mbps service, and then raised the price $4.99 a month for the privilege.
 
2012-03-23 11:53:03 PM
We're all missing the big story here, which is that Vator.tv is still around.

/With sweat and dead man's balls
 
2012-03-24 12:03:17 AM
I don't think my Verizon FIOS has a data cap (at least I haven't run into it), but PCMag.com found that Verizon 4G LTE is so fast that you could download a month's data on a 5GB plan in 32 minutes. And that was over a year ago. Of course, 4G LTE speeds may have slowed a little since then with more people on the network, but that's still pretty discouraging to anyone hoping to get buy with a cheaper data plan.
 
2012-03-24 12:04:54 AM

T.rex: well, for one, you're opening yourself up to cyber-attack with Wifi...

Two, Ipads don't have Flash.


And neither will anything else.
 
2012-03-24 12:14:09 AM
Cutting board?

Oh, I get it.

www.thecitrusreport.com

The screen on these is glass, right? Fragile no matter how tough you say it is, right?
 
2012-03-24 02:02:15 AM

RoxtarRyan: drjekel_mrhyde: Comcast has a 200GB a month cap.

250GB.

/trust me
//I've pushed it


Pushed it? HA! I've beat that paltry limit into the ground more times than I can count.

/No Comcast, 250GB is NOT enough for most of your users.
 
2012-03-24 02:21:16 AM
Why wouldn't we want a data plan from some of the large carriers that constantly make headlines for the worst customer satisfaction?
Who can resist overpriced data plans that can deplete their allowed quotas in a few hours of heavy use? Why would we not LOVE to be on a data plan from a company that throttles back the data on an "unlimited" plan to near uselessness after using less data than a "limited" plan sold at the same price?

Wow, I can't imagine why people aren't flocking to the 3G/4G versions.
 
2012-03-24 06:47:57 AM

Babwa Wawa: timujin: Translation: Who needs a data plan when wifi is nearly ubiquitous?

Actually, I find trying to get public wifi with any kind of reliability is a pain in the ass, and it's well worth the $30 to be able to get to m email without trying to find wifi. Case in point: two weeks ago, I was standing underneath the airport wifi sign in terminal B at O'Hare and couldn't get a signal. Even when you do get a signal, boingo sucks donkey balls.

What I think is happening is twofold:

1. Most people are not buying these as mobile computing platforms - iPads are replacing laptop use cases, used in the home and office, where wifi is reliable and relatively high performance.

2. Those who do use it for mobile are likely to already have a mifi puck with plan, and therefore don't want to spend the extra $30.

So you've got this very limited pool of potential customers who need to compute and connect everywhere, but don't already have a solution and whose complete mobile compute needs can be addressed by the iPad. That's a pretty small community. I'm surprised that they even have 10%.


Do you live in Chicago? Because in the downtown area you shouldn't have any problem getting public WiFi. Even it the neighborhoods in the city and in the suburbs if there are a cluster of restaurants, coffee shops, bars or places people hang out at you will be getting plenty public WiFi signal.

Do you have this problem with all of your wireless devices? Is your IPad able to connect to your home WiFi without a problem? Maybe you should have them replace the WiFi card in it. I know a few people that were having problems with WiFi with MacBooks and after they had the wireless card replaced everything worked fine. But it is going to be like pulling teeth to get Apple to do it under warranty.
 
2012-03-24 07:05:37 AM

Nem Wan: I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Maybe we're weird but one-third of our store's iPad 2 sales were 3G models. Hard to believe TFA suggesting two-thirds of those people pay $130 extra for the radio then don't activate the service.


They don't have to sign up right away or get into 2 year contracts at $50/month. If someone is going traveling especially in Europe, they can pick up a data plan pay as you go for when they need it. Lots may never end up doing so but people think that way.
 
2012-03-24 07:58:29 AM

wildcardjack:

The screen on these is glass, right? Fragile no matter how tough you say it is, right?


Sorry, I saw that and instantly got:

images.wikia.com

All we know is his name is Doctor Rockso, he's the Rock & Roll Clown, he does Cocaine. Lots and lots of Cocaine.

iPad's aren't that fragile but nowhere near metal enough for Deathklok.
 
2012-03-24 07:59:22 AM

swaxhog: Nem Wan: I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Maybe we're weird but one-third of our store's iPad 2 sales were 3G models. Hard to believe TFA suggesting two-thirds of those people pay $130 extra for the radio then don't activate the service.

They don't have to sign up right away or get into 2 year contracts at $50/month. If someone is going traveling especially in Europe, they can pick up a data plan pay as you go for when they need it. Lots may never end up doing so but people think that way.


Most likely this.
It's the same excuse people use for getting more memory.
iPads can't be upgraded so you might as well spend a buck extra for the bigger model just in case you need it someday.

/Some day when the cell companies come to their senses and stop with the absurd contracts or charging by the meg.
/In other words, never.
/Download limits are sooo 90's...
 
2012-03-24 09:21:22 AM

T.rex: well, for one, you're opening yourself up to cyber-attack with Wifi...

Two, Ipads don't have Flash.


"cyber attack?" oh noes!

a VPN should take care of that. that and not visiting tranny-midget pr0n sites... so i hear.

i use my ipad as a portable media client and rudimentary productivity device. i only use it in situations where wifi is available. I've had one for a year, and i have yet to wish i had 3G.
 
2012-03-24 10:46:23 AM

way south: swaxhog: Nem Wan: I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Maybe we're weird but one-third of our store's iPad 2 sales were 3G models. Hard to believe TFA suggesting two-thirds of those people pay $130 extra for the radio then don't activate the service.

They don't have to sign up right away or get into 2 year contracts at $50/month. If someone is going traveling especially in Europe, they can pick up a data plan pay as you go for when they need it. Lots may never end up doing so but people think that way.

Most likely this.
It's the same excuse people use for getting more memory.
iPads can't be upgraded so you might as well spend a buck extra for the bigger model just in case you need it someday.

/Some day when the cell companies come to their senses and stop with the absurd contracts or charging by the meg.
/In other words, never.
/Download limits are sooo 90's...


I think one of the factors to continued resistance to unlimited mobile data is that the companies fear that customers would start dropping their home Internet service in favor of the mobile replacement. Limited mobile data plans and capping prevent this.
 
2012-03-24 10:53:04 AM
I would certainly buy a data plan for my ipad if the carriers in my area offered anything reasonable. The plans that are out there are ridiculously expensive.
 
2012-03-24 11:01:10 AM
Look... If you're reading books on a tablet, take some advice from a former optician with a opthalmic tech for a fiancee, and just reconsider it, unless you want to end up with long-term damage to your eyes.

Looking at your computer or TV all day is one thing-- You're not a few inches from the screen-- But when you read you tend to hold the screen much closer, and the light and refresh of an LCD screen will NOT do your eyes any favors over time, the same way loud bass on your headphones will be something you regret when you're 40 and get tinnitus.

E-ink is much easier on your eyes. A Kindle is $79 new. Do yourself a favor and try one. They're small, light, easier to use, and look SO much better than LCD.
 
2012-03-24 11:14:38 AM

Nix Nightbird: Look... If you're reading books on a tablet, take some advice from a former optician with a opthalmic tech for a fiancee, and just reconsider it, unless you want to end up with long-term damage to your eyes.

Looking at your computer or TV all day is one thing-- You're not a few inches from the screen-- But when you read you tend to hold the screen much closer, and the light and refresh of an LCD screen will NOT do your eyes any favors over time, the same way loud bass on your headphones will be something you regret when you're 40 and get tinnitus.

E-ink is much easier on your eyes. A Kindle is $79 new. Do yourself a favor and try one. They're small, light, easier to use, and look SO much better than LCD.


Funny, after a good twenty-thirty years of daily use of computer screen (since the VIC-20 era) and lots of TV viewing, I find myself with changes in my vision... as is: my vision has improved quite a lot, and now I only need my glasses for very long distance viewing, so while driving. My doctor told me to go back to the license bureau, I'd probably be able to have the "need glasses" removed.

Oh, and this is with an eye condition (I get inflammation of the eyeball used in a while).

I understand if someone stares at solar eclipses and the sun for hours, but aside this, most eye problems results from aging... I've yet to hear any proof about the looking at screens theory.

There's eye fatigue, but a few minutes or hour of rest dismisses this. They even have info about preventing this by looking at other thing than your screen for a minute now and them while working with a screen.

It's a given that e-ink is easier on the eyes (no back lighting), but permanent damage?... nah, that's like going blind or a hairy palm from fapping.
 
2012-03-24 11:17:42 AM

Nix Nightbird: Look... If you're reading books on a tablet, take some advice from a former optician with a opthalmic tech for a fiancee, and just reconsider it, unless you want to end up with long-term damage to your eyes.

Looking at your computer or TV all day is one thing-- You're not a few inches from the screen-- But when you read you tend to hold the screen much closer, and the light and refresh of an LCD screen will NOT do your eyes any favors over time, the same way loud bass on your headphones will be something you regret when you're 40 and get tinnitus.

E-ink is much easier on your eyes. A Kindle is $79 new. Do yourself a favor and try one. They're small, light, easier to use, and look SO much better than LCD.


Yes, grandma.
 
Slu
2012-03-24 11:18:41 AM

Jizz Master Zero: RoxtarRyan: drjekel_mrhyde: Comcast has a 200GB a month cap.

250GB.

/trust me
//I've pushed it

Pushed it? HA! I've beat that paltry limit into the ground more times than I can count.

/No Comcast, 250GB is NOT enough for most of your users.


Yes it is. Not good enough for all, but certainly most.
 
Slu
2012-03-24 11:21:08 AM

Nix Nightbird: Look... If you're reading books on a tablet, take some advice from a former optician with a opthalmic tech for a fiancee, and just reconsider it, unless you want to end up with long-term damage to your eyes.

Looking at your computer or TV all day is one thing-- You're not a few inches from the screen-- But when you read you tend to hold the screen much closer, and the light and refresh of an LCD screen will NOT do your eyes any favors over time, the same way loud bass on your headphones will be something you regret when you're 40 and get tinnitus.

E-ink is much easier on your eyes. A Kindle is $79 new. Do yourself a favor and try one. They're small, light, easier to use, and look SO much better than LCD.


I'd take this advice if you were a current optician. But former, no way.
 
2012-03-24 11:22:06 AM
The iPad, or any tablet for that matter, is most often going to be used in the home. WiFi is there.
I occasionally take mine to work to futz about when time allows. WiFi is there.
I have taken it on trips and I use it in places like Airports, Hotels, etc. WiFi is there.

The few places WiFi is not available, I use content already on my device. Wireless data plan from Verizon/AT&T/etc is not necessary.

And honestly, if I need some tidbit of connectivity, I'll use the smartphone I already have in my pocket.
 
2012-03-24 11:30:50 AM
I have an iPad 2 and decided not to go with the one with the data plan. I don't like to pay for those. I just use my home internet. It's probably just me being old though. I even use a pre paid phone. We already pay for Internet at home. No way I'm paying for traveling Internet too.

And get off my lawn.
 
2012-03-24 11:39:44 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: I would certainly buy a data plan for my ipad if the carriers in my area offered anything reasonable. The plans that are out there are ridiculously expensive.


What to you is "reasonable" pricing for LTE wireless access? Not inside our outside your personal budget, but "reasonable"? Let's see your pricing grid backed by in-depth costing and market analysis.

I think most wireless carriers (and banks, and airlines) are scum because of their practices regarding extra fees and customer service, but I'm starting to think that when it comes to just baseline pricing, consumers can be unreasonable, especially when you consider how far prices have fallen.

Maybe everyone would be happier if these industries just stuck with higher but more transparent pricing structures instead of bullshiat low advertised rates with hidden charges, and it was understood that installing LTE towers and fueling jets was expensive. If that knocks some people out from the privilege of being duped by low prices and paying on-top fees later, then so be it.
 
2012-03-24 11:50:28 AM

FlashHarry: "cyber attack?" oh noes!

a VPN should take care of that. that and not visiting tranny-midget pr0n sites... so i hear.


I dunno...is it perfectly safe to use some random coffee shop's unsecured or poorly-secured wifi? Serious question.

For work you should have a VPN, so that's not really an issue. For banking, everything is encrypted, so that's probably OK. But there are a lot of personal sites (like Facebook) where only the login credentials are encrypted, so if the access point isn't secure then anyone around you can in theory intercept the contents of your browsing. Then again, 4G wireless signals may not be the safest thing either--I don't know how strong the encryption is on those.
 
2012-03-24 01:51:40 PM
If it's anything like me, I just turn on the Data plan for one month when I'll need it.
 
kab
2012-03-24 02:20:45 PM
Probably because most owners are smart enough to realize what a giant farking waste of money data plans are.

And AT&T knows it too, which is why, for example, you actually can't have an iPhone and NOT have a data plan with them.
 
kab
2012-03-24 02:28:00 PM

themeaningoflifeisnot: PC World says using the LTE option on iPad and smartphones to stream video can burn up an entire month's worth of a data plan just watching a couple hours of video

Link (PCWorld)


Which is exactly why service providers really REALLY want you to love 'the cloud'.
 
2012-03-24 03:39:28 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: themeaningoflifeisnot: I would certainly buy a data plan for my ipad if the carriers in my area offered anything reasonable. The plans that are out there are ridiculously expensive.

What to you is "reasonable" pricing for LTE wireless access? Not inside our outside your personal budget, but "reasonable"? Let's see your pricing grid backed by in-depth costing and market analysis.


This is what I hate about posting sometimes. Make a simple statement that, in my opinion, mobile data rates are unreasonable, and now some f*ckwad is asking me to post a "pricing grid backed by in-depth costing and market analysis." Because we all know that no one can have an opinion about the cost of data or gasoline or electricity or anything else unless they've got in-depth costing and market analysis to back up every opinion.

Your demand for proof is one of the funniest douchebag statements I've read here in a long time.

You must be a joy to hang out with. I can imagine the bar conversation: "How can you suggest that those wings are too pricey? You haven't talked to the butcher and compared wholesale chicken prices to retail. And you didn't factor in the average markup for prepared wings. You're not entitled to an opinion, dammit!"
 
2012-03-24 05:30:12 PM
got an brain, why would i need an ipad?
 
2012-03-24 05:31:20 PM

tedbundee: got an brain, why would i need an ipad?


ah fu)ck
 
2012-03-24 05:45:52 PM
Recurring fees make toys less fun.
 
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