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(Vator.tv)   Only 10% of new iPad owners are opting for the data plan. Translation: who needs internet connectivity for their fancy new cutting board?   (vator.tv) divider line 106
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2012-03-23 01:57:08 PM  
Yeah. What, with its built-in wifi? Yup.
 
2012-03-23 02:02:16 PM  
got an iphone, why would i need an ipad?
 
2012-03-23 02:05:47 PM  
Looks like this is a Netzero ad.

What I find funny is that the article talks about how cheap Netzero is. But in fact, LTE is around $30 for the first 2GB and $10 each GB thereafter. So a 4GB plan is about $50. Which is exactly the monthly cost of a 4GB plan for Netzero.
 
2012-03-23 02:34:55 PM  
I use my tablet as an e-reader. I could get a data plan, but e-reader is enough for me, really. No need to browse fark AND read novels at work.
 
2012-03-23 02:36:59 PM  
I have wi fi at home for both my laptop and my ipad. I use the ipad mostly for apps and I rarely travel with it.
 
2012-03-23 03:11:47 PM  
Translation: Who needs a data plan when wifi is nearly ubiquitous?
 
2012-03-23 03:17:07 PM  
WiFi at home. WiFi in the downtown core. WiFi in every coffee shop I frequent. Worse comes to worst I can tether my tablet to my phone.

Toshiba Thrive so I don't even have a data plan for it as it has no 4G anyways.
 
2012-03-23 03:23:43 PM  
We're trying to cut costs. I have a Droid X. I realized... I'm almost always in a wi-fi zone of some sort. Why am I paying for a plan?

I can either use Google Voice... or get a cheap phone-only, no-frills plan with a cheap phone.
 
2012-03-23 03:25:03 PM  

timujin: Translation: Who needs a data plan when wifi is nearly ubiquitous?


Actually, I find trying to get public wifi with any kind of reliability is a pain in the ass, and it's well worth the $30 to be able to get to m email without trying to find wifi. Case in point: two weeks ago, I was standing underneath the airport wifi sign in terminal B at O'Hare and couldn't get a signal. Even when you do get a signal, boingo sucks donkey balls.

What I think is happening is twofold:

1. Most people are not buying these as mobile computing platforms - iPads are replacing laptop use cases, used in the home and office, where wifi is reliable and relatively high performance.

2. Those who do use it for mobile are likely to already have a mifi puck with plan, and therefore don't want to spend the extra $30.

So you've got this very limited pool of potential customers who need to compute and connect everywhere, but don't already have a solution and whose complete mobile compute needs can be addressed by the iPad. That's a pretty small community. I'm surprised that they even have 10%.
 
2012-03-23 03:28:34 PM  

Eating Old People to Save Social Security: got an iphone, why would i need an ipad?


Thought the same thing until my boss put on in my hands. I don't think I could work without it at this point.

As for the headline, I live in a city. There is no need for me to pay AT&T or Verizon another 40 bucks a month for their shiatty service.
 
2012-03-23 03:37:29 PM  

Babwa Wawa: Actually, I find trying to get public wifi with any kind of reliability is a pain in the ass, and it's well worth the $30 to be able to get to m email without trying to find wifi.


Yeah, but I have tethering/hotspot capability and (truly) unlimited data with Verizon, so I'm usually good to go even if there isn't wifi. I have no need for a second data plan that I'd hardly use anyway.
 
2012-03-23 03:55:57 PM  

Babwa Wawa: timujin: Translation: Who needs a data plan when wifi is nearly ubiquitous?

Actually, I find trying to get public wifi with any kind of reliability is a pain in the ass, and it's well worth the $30 to be able to get to m email without trying to find wifi. Case in point: two weeks ago, I was standing underneath the airport wifi sign in terminal B at O'Hare and couldn't get a signal. Even when you do get a signal, boingo sucks donkey balls.

What I think is happening is twofold:

1. Most people are not buying these as mobile computing platforms - iPads are replacing laptop use cases, used in the home and office, where wifi is reliable and relatively high performance.

2. Those who do use it for mobile are likely to already have a mifi puck with plan, and therefore don't want to spend the extra $30.

So you've got this very limited pool of potential customers who need to compute and connect everywhere, but don't already have a solution and whose complete mobile compute needs can be addressed by the iPad. That's a pretty small community. I'm surprised that they even have 10%.


Also, if somebody buys a 4G ipad it is the only device that can use it, and the tablet Costs more. Buying a mifi and wifi ipad gives you a lot more versatility (like two iPads at the same time like my cousins' house).
 
2012-03-23 04:24:56 PM  

Babwa Wawa: Actually, I find trying to get public wifi with any kind of reliability is a pain in the ass, and it's well worth the $30 to be able to get to m email without trying to find wifi.


Really depends entirely on how casual your use is with the iPad.

There's definite usage cases for having the cell data plan for it. It's not the majority of the user base, but there's a core segment of iPad users that can't live without it.

As timujin says, there's ways around that, but in terms of simplicity for non-technical users not having to worry about mobile hotspots or whatever, it's the way to go.
 
2012-03-23 05:04:58 PM  
I guess they finally found a price that the market will not bear.

I have a first gen iPad and I had the 250 mb plan from AT&T and I never once exceeded it, and in fact I rarely used it but I was mostly on wifi at home. I cancelled the plan a while back when they raised the prices and haven't looked back.
 
2012-03-23 05:09:06 PM  
Android + 4G + unlimited data + wireless tethering = suck it.

/sure, I'll open my my wifi for you
//buy me a beer!
 
2012-03-23 05:10:36 PM  
I have a an android phone and wifi tablet. There's no way I can justify 2 data plans when the smartphone is going to be with me at all times anyways. Besides, I can bluetooth tether (for free) to share my internet connection from the phone to the tablet.
 
2012-03-23 05:14:32 PM  

redpanda2: Besides, I can bluetooth tether (for free)


You may want to look into a wifi tether... bluetooth tethering is slow.
 
2012-03-23 05:17:04 PM  

RoxtarRyan: redpanda2: Besides, I can bluetooth tether (for free)

You may want to look into a wifi tether... bluetooth tethering is slow.


I should have said, I can bluetooth tether for free without hacking my phone or switching carriers.
 
2012-03-23 05:19:32 PM  
I don't know about iphones, but my last and current Android phones can act as a wifi hotspot. Why pay for connectivity on another device when my phone never leaves my side?
 
2012-03-23 05:21:20 PM  
Wireless tethering? With an unlimited data plan? I thought that was an extra monthly charge...
 
2012-03-23 05:21:28 PM  

redpanda2: RoxtarRyan: redpanda2: Besides, I can bluetooth tether (for free)

You may want to look into a wifi tether... bluetooth tethering is slow.

I should have said, I can bluetooth tether for free without hacking my phone or switching carriers.


Gotcha. Depending on the phone, it might be worth it to root it... If you have a Motorola, there is a little program called Radiocomm you may want to look into.
 
2012-03-23 05:32:15 PM  

RoxtarRyan: redpanda2: RoxtarRyan: redpanda2: Besides, I can bluetooth tether (for free)

You may want to look into a wifi tether... bluetooth tethering is slow.

I should have said, I can bluetooth tether for free without hacking my phone or switching carriers.

Gotcha. Depending on the phone, it might be worth it to root it... If you have a Motorola, there is a little program called Radiocomm you may want to look into.


does it require you to root the phone? I might be in the market for a free wifi tether on my Droid X. Or i might not. O.o
 
2012-03-23 05:34:53 PM  
Android + $30 5Gb 4G data + 100 Minutes Voice Walmart/TMobile plan plus wifi most places + GrooveIP + Google Voice so many months my TMobile costs are precisely ZERO. (For $60 month and another sim, I can get 10Gb/month 4G).

These days I mostly use non-wifi phone for Google Navigation, and Google Maps works just fine without data if you precache where you are going.

It helps that no one in the world would ever call me.

But if I had a tablet and no wifi nearby, I would just hotspot it to my phone.
 
2012-03-23 05:39:11 PM  
At&t and Verizon must be kicking themselves right about now
 
2012-03-23 05:45:09 PM  

larrimo: does it require you to root the phone? I might be in the market for a free wifi tether on my Droid X. Or i might not. O.o


I believe it does. Don't let the thought of rooting your phone scare you that much. Most phones don't require doing things like writing lines of code, or involve steps any more complicated than making a PB&J in order to root them.

If you're worried about the process, I suggest the first thing you do is google search XDA developers. They have mastered damn near every Android device, be it a phone or tablet.
 
2012-03-23 05:50:28 PM  

Ghastly: WiFi at home. WiFi in the downtown core. WiFi in every coffee shop I frequent. Worse comes to worst I can tether my tablet to my phone.

Toshiba Thrive so I don't even have a data plan for it as it has no 4G anyways.


This.

I have yet to visit a location that doesn't have WiFi though I live in the nation's capitol. Even Taco Bells around here have WiFi.
 
2012-03-23 05:56:31 PM  

doglover: I use my tablet as an e-reader. I could get a data plan, but e-reader is enough for me, really. No need to browse fark AND read novels at work.


Damn dog, you could have saved yourself 500 bones and not had to lug that thing around and got yourself a kindle.
 
2012-03-23 06:00:46 PM  
Translation: Most of the existing contractual data plans suck monkey balls.
I would have gotten the 3G option for my iPad 2 if not for the added expenses.

Since I can use WiFi for free and its often available where I want to use my iPad, there was no point to 3G.
 
2012-03-23 06:01:25 PM  

66dude: Wireless tethering? With an unlimited data plan? I thought that was an extra monthly charge...


Grandfathered service + PdaNet = win
 
2012-03-23 06:01:59 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: At&t and Verizon must be kicking themselves right about now

drafting their next price gouge and laughing all the way to their stripper-filled champagne jacuzzis.

FTFY.

The mobile companies know they have stewardship of a very limited resource (wireless bandwidth), and because
hardware makers and app creators always assume infinitely fast networking available they are pricing their services
on a scarcity model rather than the service model that wired ISPs have been using, and they plead poverty when
their substandard infrastructure can't keep up with the products that are filling their bank accounts.

My fear is that wired ISPs will try to move their pricing model to be more like the cell phone companies, with
artificial monthly caps on data that will strangle home users.

/Refuses to pay usurious fees for wireless broadband.
 
2012-03-23 06:03:13 PM  

larrimo:
does it require you to root the phone? I might be in the market for a free wifi tether on my Droid X. Or i might not. O.o


This plus This and you're golden.
 
2012-03-23 06:04:19 PM  
This ignorant, sad, obvious troll got a greenlight? Pathetic.
 
2012-03-23 06:11:42 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Android + 4G + unlimited data + wireless tethering = suck it.

/sure, I'll open my my wifi for you
//buy me a beer!


Truth!

Sprint (which is what I'm on) has unlimited data plans, but other carriers don't - so is it really that surprising that people aren't signing up for the data plans? On a device like this it almost seems like a trap... Sell you a device which could use lots of data if it wanted to, then sell a higher bandwidth data plan..... but with a cap that will cost you to exceed.

I do the same as you... use my Android phone as a hotspot with a 4G data connection, and connect my Android tablet to that. When I finally bite the bullet and get my wife an iPad she's going to be doing the same thing with her Android phone's wifi tethering.
 
2012-03-23 06:11:50 PM  

larrimo: RoxtarRyan: redpanda2: RoxtarRyan: redpanda2: Besides, I can bluetooth tether (for free)

You may want to look into a wifi tether... bluetooth tethering is slow.

I should have said, I can bluetooth tether for free without hacking my phone or switching carriers.

Gotcha. Depending on the phone, it might be worth it to root it... If you have a Motorola, there is a little program called Radiocomm you may want to look into.

does it require you to root the phone? I might be in the market for a free wifi tether on my Droid X. Or i might not. O.o


I have a tethering/hotspot app on my Droid called PdaNet, no rooting was required.
 
2012-03-23 06:24:17 PM  

doglover: I use my tablet as an e-reader.


My eyes cringed reading that.
 
2012-03-23 06:25:03 PM  

timujin: I have a tethering/hotspot app on my Droid called PdaNet, no rooting was required.


I used PDAnet for a while, until doing some research on Wifi vs USB tethering. The speed can't be touched, in favor of Wifi. However, it is recommended that you have it plugged in anyways, because hot damn, you can burn through the battery in about 3 hours. There may be newer versions out that support Wifi tethering, though. Also, I had a lot of issues with PDANet dropping constantly on my Samsung Charge (granted, it was a POS phone to begin with), so I looked into other options. Once I went back to Motorola, it was a piece of cake to make it a hotspot.
 
2012-03-23 06:26:25 PM  
Wifi at home, Wifi at work, Wifi at the freaking grocery store and the mall... why WOULD I pay for a mobile data plan?
 
2012-03-23 06:27:02 PM  

Handsome B. Wonderful: doglover: I use my tablet as an e-reader.

My eyes cringed reading that.


Why?
 
2012-03-23 06:28:54 PM  
I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Maybe we're weird but one-third of our store's iPad 2 sales were 3G models. Hard to believe TFA suggesting two-thirds of those people pay $130 extra for the radio then don't activate the service. I know lots of people tether the WiFi-only models to their phones or to a MiFi.

An iPad has a bigger antenna than a pocket device so it might be smarter to tether the phone to the new iPad's 4G LTE.
 
2012-03-23 06:30:38 PM  

Nem Wan: Maybe we're weird but one-third of our store's iPad 2 sales were 3G models. Hard to believe TFA suggesting two-thirds of those people pay $130 extra for the radio then don't activate the service.


Well the thing is, only the 3G models have actual GPS functionality, so there's that to consider. Maybe people just wanted to use GPS apps?
 
2012-03-23 06:34:37 PM  
I have a WiFi iPad2 plus Sprint's unlimited cellular service + my HTC EVO can act as a personal wireless hotspot with 4G for an extra $20 a month.

Plus most places I go have some form of free wireless available.

Why would I need to pay an extra $200-$300 for a cellular access iPad with abhorrent data rates?
 
2012-03-23 06:36:18 PM  

Kar98: Nem Wan: Maybe we're weird but one-third of our store's iPad 2 sales were 3G models. Hard to believe TFA suggesting two-thirds of those people pay $130 extra for the radio then don't activate the service.

Well the thing is, only the 3G models have actual GPS functionality, so there's that to consider. Maybe people just wanted to use GPS apps?


Wouldn't that prevent Google Maps from working? My WiFi has Google Maps and it works fine.
 
2012-03-23 06:37:49 PM  

Torese: Why would I need to pay an extra $200-$300 for a cellular access iPad with abhorrent data rates?


I just don't get paying that much for a phone that farking big. It's like the Trigger Happy TV sketch we've all seen.
 
2012-03-23 06:38:32 PM  

flaminio: larrimo:
does it require you to root the phone? I might be in the market for a free wifi tether on my Droid X. Or i might not. O.o

This plus This and you're golden.


Thanks... Bookmarked these two pages. Going to wait until my phone's warranty expires before I make any changes. The instructions seem simple enough.
 
2012-03-23 06:38:44 PM  

Nem Wan: I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Maybe we're weird but one-third of our store's iPad 2 sales were 3G models. Hard to believe TFA suggesting two-thirds of those people pay $130 extra for the radio then don't activate the service. I know lots of people tether the WiFi-only models to their phones or to a MiFi.

An iPad has a bigger antenna than a pocket device so it might be smarter to tether the phone to the new iPad's 4G LTE.


But then you have to carry the iPad wherever you go.
 
2012-03-23 06:39:06 PM  

Bmore O's: Ghastly: WiFi at home. WiFi in the downtown core. WiFi in every coffee shop I frequent. Worse comes to worst I can tether my tablet to my phone.

Toshiba Thrive so I don't even have a data plan for it as it has no 4G anyways.

This.

I have yet to visit a location that doesn't have WiFi though I live in the nation's capitol. Even Taco Bells around here have WiFi.


The only place I miss it with my iPod Touch 4G is when I'm in the car trying to follow directions with Google Maps.
I just learned to load the directions before I set out.

But other than that, I don't miss having a broadband device.
 
2012-03-23 06:41:02 PM  

Torese: Kar98: Nem Wan: Maybe we're weird but one-third of our store's iPad 2 sales were 3G models. Hard to believe TFA suggesting two-thirds of those people pay $130 extra for the radio then don't activate the service.

Well the thing is, only the 3G models have actual GPS functionality, so there's that to consider. Maybe people just wanted to use GPS apps?

Wouldn't that prevent Google Maps from working? My WiFi has Google Maps and it works fine.


Google Maps works on IP locating on WiFi only models. You know, kinda like the Danasoft signs ;)
 
2012-03-23 06:41:30 PM  
Uh, I'm confused.

On my friends' AT&T iPads, if they buy 5GB of data and exceed that, it doesn't flip itself to some automatic crazy charge. It tells them they're out of data, kills the data connection, and pops a window asking them if they want to buy more data on the spot.

As far as I know, it's been this way since the beginning. Does Verizon do it differently? Why are we talking about stealth overages?

I have the unlimited grandfathered, so I don't have to deal with it. But if I want tethering or mi-fi I have to pay extra. As far as I know, so does everyone on any carrier unless you root your device and tether against the carriers' Terms of Service, in which case I imagine most people prefer to just spend the $20 than hassle with it.
 
2012-03-23 06:43:24 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: My fear is that wired ISPs will try to move their pricing model to be more like the cell phone companies, with
artificial monthly caps on data that will strangle home users.


Comcast has a 200GB a month cap. At&t had a 150GB cap on DSL and 250 on Uverse.TWC tried to have a 50GB a month cap but people went apeshiat
 
2012-03-23 06:44:27 PM  

jaerik: Uh, I'm confused.

On my friends' AT&T iPads, if they buy 5GB of data and exceed that, it doesn't flip itself to some automatic crazy charge. It tells them they're out of data, kills the data connection, and pops a window asking them if they want to buy more data on the spot.

As far as I know, it's been this way since the beginning. Does Verizon do it differently? Why are we talking about stealth overages?

I have the unlimited grandfathered, so I don't have to deal with it. But if I want tethering or mi-fi I have to pay extra. As far as I know, so does everyone on any carrier unless you root your device and tether against the carriers' Terms of Service, in which case I imagine most people prefer to just spend the $20 than hassle with it.


My G2 had tethering ability out of the box, and there are a few no-root tether apps in the Google market. T-Mobile does nominally charge extra for tethering, but they really don't give too much of a damn if you do an end-run around it.
 
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