LasersHurt: Gone In 26 Minutes: LasersHurt: Gone In 26 Minutes: timujin: I'm not sure what the problem here is. "Win8 will support a range of displays, including the most current types being made." What am I missing?

Mostly how bad the Metro interface is, honestly.

The Metro interface is pretty great, in my opinion. At least on tablets. On a PC it's weird.

My experience with it is only on PC. I guess I can see how nice it'd be on a touchscreen, but working with it on a mouse and keyboard is terrible. This wouldn't be so bad if they didn't pretty much push its use and require it be used as the default desktop.

No worries, now, or at release, it will take you all of 5 minutes to restore the start menu and disable Metro.

Personally, I don't care. The geniuses at MS should have realized that the Metro display is inappropriate for a traditional mouse/keyboard computer. I looks slick for touchscreen devices, but it should not be the default display for a computer. I shouldn't have to configure Windows 8 to have the appropriate display for my PC after I install it.

This is all a moot point, honestly. Windows 7 is the best version of Windows I have ever used (including Windows 2000, the previous holder of that title), and I don't see myself upgrading for at least ten years.

twat_waffle: The geniuses at MS should have realized that the Metro display is inappropriate for a traditional mouse/keyboard computer. I looks slick for touchscreen devices,

I have heard people raving about this interface but it is just so ugly I have always been repulsed by it.

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Farking Canuck : I have heard people raving about this interface but it is just so ugly I have always been repulsed by it.

There are two (or more) classes of user.

1) Users that don't really know how stuff works, aren't really willing to learn that much, and probably don't care.

They need information presented to them with a minimal amount of fuss or searching.

This sort of interface will appeal to them.

2) Users like you and I who want to use things to the fullest, and want to decide how information is going to be presented to us.

We don't care what the default interface of something is, as long as we can get in there easily and change it to our own needs.

Microsoft and Apple do not make OSes for us.

lordargent: Speaking of which, I think I need to grab a couple of these and throw them into my emblems folder.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Desktop_icons_2.20

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tango_icons

Good god, those are some ugly icons.
Let me guess: you're the guy who thinks some neckbeard with a pirated copy of Illustrator can make a better UI than a whole design team with over a century of collective experience in color theory, user experience and visual cues.

Wait, from the chart in TFA... a 17" Slate? WTF. That sounds a bit... Unwieldy.

timujin: Wow, you're awesome. It's always fun to see how any mention of Windows causes you to spray diarrhea all over your keyboard.

Wow. Did your Mommy help with the big words, or did your Speak 'n' Spell help you?

As of today, this is not an actual shipping product from Microsoft. All the herp-derp you want to vomit onto the internet doesn't change that simple fact. All Microsoft has is coulda, woulda, shoulda while Apple has a product actually in people's hands. Right now. Today. One that generates a metric-crap-ton of profit. Microsoft? Not so much.

FUD worked for Microsoft in the 90's, but someone should call them and clue them in that they are no longer the powerhouse of the industry, so nobody really gives a shiat what Microsoft might do.

LasersHurt:
Do people honestly think Microsoft is just gonna go "whoops!" and not ship Windows 8 as expected? This is the second post in here about potential "vaporware" for what is ultimately a silly-simple feature.

Lets be honest, it's Microsoft. If there is any way to balls something up, no matter how remote the possibility of them doing it seems, they're likely to do it. Release of Win8 will be "going back to it's roots" and feature "Program Manager" as the interface or some freaky bizzaro shiat like that.

I'm not saying Windows 8 won't release but they did kill off something that would have slain the iPad after all and they do have a track record for promising more than they can deliver.

But in the instance of Windows 8 will support resolutions above 80x25 characters? I think that's pretty likely.

I Like Bread : Let me guess: you're the guy who thinks some neckbeard with a pirated copy of Illustrator can make a better UI than a whole design team with over a century of collective experience in color theory, user experience and visual cues.

As far as your whole neckbeard quote, why do people like you resort to stupidity when talking about something you don't agree with. Hell, if you prefer windows or MAC icons, I'm sure someone on gnome look or countless other icon sites has already converted them to SVGs. The fact that you think that icon set is ugly is meaningless, Ubuntu/linux is about choice, so you can have whatever icons you want.

I believe that I personally can design a UI that's more suited to the way I work than a UI than what is available out of the box from Microsoft, Apple or Canonical (yes, I'm not a fan of the default Ubuntu UI either, and think that Unity is an abomination).

I have heavily used all three OSes, and my Ubuntu environment is the one that is most closely suited to my needs due to the high ability to do customizations.

The difference is that in Ubuntu, it's fairly easy to change all of that.

// Even back in the windows 3.1 days I was buying custom shells because the default shell sucked IMO.

// I personally don't care what OS, or icon set you prefer to use. I was responding to the whole 'windows is going to use scalable icons' thing to point out that this feature has been available in ubuntu/gnome for a while (so frankly, it doesn't impress me that Windows is finally getting it).

// I would much prefer that windows development focus on the real user interaction problems in their OS (IE, one of the first things I do on any new windows OS is rename a .JPEG file to .JPG and see if, when it throws up that damn warning message, it gives me the option of disabling it.

// UI Design and Human Factors has been a part of my job description for 15 years. Granted, it's not my focus (I don't have a HF lab or anything), I can at least spot bad design ideas when I see them.

lordargent: Farking Canuck : I have heard people raving about this interface but it is just so ugly I have always been repulsed by it.

There are two (or more) classes of user.

1) Users that don't really know how stuff works, aren't really willing to learn that much, and probably don't care.

They need information presented to them with a minimal amount of fuss or searching.

This sort of interface will appeal to them.

2) Users like you and I who want to use things to the fullest, and want to decide how information is going to be presented to us.

We don't care what the default interface of something is, as long as we can get in there easily and change it to our own needs.

Microsoft and Apple do not make OSes for us.

Sure Apple does. You just have to be of the subset of your second set that actually *does* know what they are doing.

An OS that is all sweetness and candy on the outside, with pure BSD deviltry a single click away, is an absolute joy to use.

Go to any conference for developers (outside of .Net I'd imagine) and you'll see a sea of brushed aluminum at every panel.

lordargent: Farking Canuck : I have heard people raving about this interface but it is just so ugly I have always been repulsed by it.

There are two (or more) classes of user.

1) Users that don't really know how stuff works, aren't really willing to learn that much, and probably don't care.

They need information presented to them with a minimal amount of fuss or searching.

This sort of interface will appeal to them.

2) Users like you and I who want to use things to the fullest, and want to decide how information is going to be presented to us.

We don't care what the default interface of something is, as long as we can get in there easily and change it to our own needs.

Microsoft and Apple do not make OSes for us.

Yeah, that's why I use Android. Lots of different options for the interface.

timujin: No doubt you never, ever believe anything Apple says about a product before your have it in your diarrhea-stained hands.

Given the nearly 20 year history of Apple not commenting on products before they are released (not to mention the sheer plethora of articles to back that fact up), I will have to go with you being an asshat. Dude, you're just making shiat up because your ass got beat. Just stay down.

timujin: Absolutely, wow. Microsoft no longer has any relevance in the modern computing world... especially now that they've dropped below 90% market share. What with MacOS shipping on a whole 4.5% of the desktops in 2011, Microsoft is left abandoned on the trash heap of technology history.

What part of "post-PC" era didn't you understand? I am guessing that would be 100%. Apple sold more iPads than HP sold of EVERYTHING last quarter. That was before they introduced the new one, and pissed through 3-4 million more in the opening week. To put the cherry on that, Apple is making boatloads of cash on each and every one. So, yes. 1998 called and they want their myth back. They also said something about the village being short a person.

FUD doesn't work for Microsoft because they are not the 800 pound gorilla of the industry anymore. They are, with each passing day, slipping more and more into irrelevancy. Microsoft started out writing software for Apple, and they will end writing software for Apple. The pace at which Apple is generating cash it's almost inevitable.

timujin, don't feed the troll. Seriously. He doesn't contribute anything to the discussion. In fact, I think that he may be Poe's Law in action.

twat_waffle: timujin, don't feed the troll. Seriously. He doesn't contribute anything to the discussion. In fact, I think that he may be Poe's Law in action

So is it your contention, too, that Apple comments on unreleased products? Or that Apple did not have higher sales than all of HP? Has Microsoft shipped even one product to take advantage of a 'retina' display?

Given that everything I have written is backed up by all reality, I say you are the troll who is pulling things out of his ass. A troll with serious delusions and trouble sensing reality.

1macgeek: Derp.



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Not your best work, dude.

did anyone else see "retina display" and think of screens implanted into the eye? i was all excited for that, and then so disappointed when i found out it was some stupid name for a really high resolution screen.

1macgeek: timujin: Wow, you're awesome. It's always fun to see how any mention of Windows causes you to spray diarrhea all over your keyboard.

Wow. Did your Mommy help with the big words, or did your Speak 'n' Spell help you?

As of today, this is not an actual shipping product from Microsoft. All the herp-derp you want to vomit onto the internet doesn't change that simple fact. All Microsoft has is coulda, woulda, shoulda while Apple has a product actually in people's hands. Right now. Today. One that generates a metric-crap-ton of profit. Microsoft? Not so much.

FUD worked for Microsoft in the 90's, but someone should call them and clue them in that they are no longer the powerhouse of the industry, so nobody really gives a shiat what Microsoft might do.

How the fark is this vaporware? You do realize the product is out in a late-stage public beta, right? Anyone (including you!!) can download and install it.

ryarger: lordargent: Farking Canuck : I have heard people raving about this interface but it is just so ugly I have always been repulsed by it.

There are two (or more) classes of user.

1) Users that don't really know how stuff works, aren't really willing to learn that much, and probably don't care.

They need information presented to them with a minimal amount of fuss or searching.

This sort of interface will appeal to them.

2) Users like you and I who want to use things to the fullest, and want to decide how information is going to be presented to us.

We don't care what the default interface of something is, as long as we can get in there easily and change it to our own needs.

Microsoft and Apple do not make OSes for us.

Sure Apple does. You just have to be of the subset of your second set that actually *does* know what they are doing.

An OS that is all sweetness and candy on the outside, with pure BSD deviltry a single click away, is an absolute joy to use.

Go to any conference for developers (outside of .Net I'd imagine) and you'll see a sea of brushed aluminum at every panel.

I realize you're not the original poster that FC was replying to, but are you making the argument that:

MacOS - pretty pictures UI but ubergeekdom being one click away is awesome
Windows8 - pretty pictures UI but ubergeekdom being one click away is lame

?

Truth's Urethra: ryarger: lordargent: Farking Canuck : I have heard people raving about this interface but it is just so ugly I have always been repulsed by it.

There are two (or more) classes of user.

1) Users that don't really know how stuff works, aren't really willing to learn that much, and probably don't care.

They need information presented to them with a minimal amount of fuss or searching.

This sort of interface will appeal to them.

2) Users like you and I who want to use things to the fullest, and want to decide how information is going to be presented to us.

We don't care what the default interface of something is, as long as we can get in there easily and change it to our own needs.

Microsoft and Apple do not make OSes for us.

Sure Apple does. You just have to be of the subset of your second set that actually *does* know what they are doing.

An OS that is all sweetness and candy on the outside, with pure BSD deviltry a single click away, is an absolute joy to use.

Go to any conference for developers (outside of .Net I'd imagine) and you'll see a sea of brushed aluminum at every panel.

I realize you're not the original poster that FC was replying to, but are you making the argument that:

MacOS - pretty pictures UI but ubergeekdom being one click away is awesome
Windows8 - pretty pictures UI but ubergeekdom being one click away is lame

?

What ubergeekdom is in Windows 8? I haven't used it so I can't speak to it but unless they've integrated a Unix subsystem, I don't see how they could have caught up.

I can't count the number of times I've sat with an engineer and said something like "Ok, just grep out the lines with 'foo' and we can see what is remain-oh shiat you can't do that on Windows. Do you have Cygwin? No? *sigh*"

Truth's Urethra: How the fark is this vaporware? You do realize the product is out in a late-stage public beta, right? Anyone (including you!!) can download and install it.

On a tablet with a retina screen?

Jesus, you people are so desperate to prove reality wrong you are getting really, really stupid.

jjorsett: When am I going to be able to buy a desktop monitor with these sorts of pixel densities?

I wish I knew. Several years ago I primarily used a Sager laptop with a 15" 1600x1200 screen, the pixel density on that was wonderful. I'd love to have something similar in a decently sized widescreen desktop display. A 23" 2560x1440 would be amazing, I'd love to make the jump to that resolution but a 27" just isn't practical for me, nor is it all that high density.