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(Engadget)   Two in the pink: OS to support retina displays. One in the stink: It's Windows 8   (engadget.com) divider line 75
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2012-03-23 11:17:14 AM
I was going to say what a retarded headline this was... but then I clicked the link and lulz'd.
 
2012-03-23 01:32:11 PM
I'm not sure what the problem here is. "Win8 will support a range of displays, including the most current types being made." What am I missing?
 
2012-03-23 02:04:01 PM

timujin: I'm not sure what the problem here is. "Win8 will support a range of displays, including the most current types being made." What am I missing?


It's Microsoft, therefore LOL SUXX0RZ!1111!!11 or something.
 
2012-03-23 02:57:45 PM

timujin: I'm not sure what the problem here is. "Win8 will support a range of displays, including the most current types being made." What am I missing?


Mostly how bad the Metro interface is, honestly.
 
2012-03-23 02:58:16 PM
The headline isn't a joke about Microsoft sucking. It's probably referencing the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term specifically used by Apple, thus it is surprising (or "shocking", as the headline implies) that a Microsoft OS would specifically support Retina (Apple) displays.
 
2012-03-23 02:58:25 PM

timujin: I'm not sure what the problem here is. "Win8 will support a range of displays, including the most current types being made." What am I missing?


The icons, tiles, window borders and fonts will auto scale to the screen size and resolution. As opposed to appearing as tiny icons and fonts on a high res screen or gigantic borders on a low res screen.

This doesn't happen today, even on phones.
 
2012-03-23 02:59:13 PM

timujin: I'm not sure what the problem here is. "Win8 will support a range of displays, including the most current types being made." What am I missing?


The article's headline begins with the word 'Shocker'. If you don't know what that means, subby's headline defines it for you euphemistically.
 
2012-03-23 03:00:40 PM

China White Tea: The headline isn't a joke about Microsoft sucking. It's probably referencing the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term specifically used by Apple, thus it is surprising (or "shocking", as the headline implies) that a Microsoft OS would specifically support Retina (Apple) displays.


They don't. They support ultra dense pixel displays. They never mention "Retina" probably because it's trademarked.
 
2012-03-23 03:01:40 PM
Is subby implying that iOS does not support retina displays?
 
2012-03-23 03:06:28 PM

maq0r: They don't. They support ultra dense pixel displays. They never mention "Retina" probably because it's trademarked.


Actual Headline: "Windows 8 will be 'retina' display friendly".

Do you not understand that this is a discussion about the article (as opposed to the actual product), or did you choose to ignore that in favor of having an opportunity to feel 'right" about some pedantic non-point?
 
2012-03-23 03:13:14 PM

Gone In 26 Minutes: timujin: I'm not sure what the problem here is. "Win8 will support a range of displays, including the most current types being made." What am I missing?

Mostly how bad the Metro interface is, honestly.


The Metro interface is pretty great, in my opinion. At least on tablets. On a PC it's weird.
 
2012-03-23 03:19:05 PM

LasersHurt: Gone In 26 Minutes: timujin: I'm not sure what the problem here is. "Win8 will support a range of displays, including the most current types being made." What am I missing?

Mostly how bad the Metro interface is, honestly.

The Metro interface is pretty great, in my opinion. At least on tablets. On a PC it's weird.


My experience with it is only on PC. I guess I can see how nice it'd be on a touchscreen, but working with it on a mouse and keyboard is terrible. This wouldn't be so bad if they didn't pretty much push its use and require it be used as the default desktop.
 
2012-03-23 03:20:51 PM

Gone In 26 Minutes: LasersHurt: Gone In 26 Minutes: timujin: I'm not sure what the problem here is. "Win8 will support a range of displays, including the most current types being made." What am I missing?

Mostly how bad the Metro interface is, honestly.

The Metro interface is pretty great, in my opinion. At least on tablets. On a PC it's weird.

My experience with it is only on PC. I guess I can see how nice it'd be on a touchscreen, but working with it on a mouse and keyboard is terrible. This wouldn't be so bad if they didn't pretty much push its use and require it be used as the default desktop.


No worries, now, or at release, it will take you all of 5 minutes to restore the start menu and disable Metro.
 
2012-03-23 03:24:55 PM
imgod2u: This doesn't happen today, even on phones.

These days, when I read 'auto', in my mind I prepend the words 'how to disable', because that's what I'm likely going to be typing into Google search.

How to disable auto aim
How to disable auto icon sizing

etc

/'auto' and 'default' are technological bad words for me. Generally because someone chooses the wrong thing to automate, or the wrong defaults. (YMMV depending on how you use a computer, but more importantly, I hate defaults that can't be easily corrected - I'm looking at you, useless-windows-file-extension-change-warning.).
 
2012-03-23 03:30:03 PM
You mean IPS? Like you can already get on some Lenovo laptops?
 
2012-03-23 03:33:22 PM

farkeruk: You mean IPS? Like you can already get on some Lenovo laptops?


It's about pixel density, not technology.
 
2012-03-23 03:34:21 PM
So, the desktop PC OS will support high resolution displays?

uhhh. Ok.
 
2012-03-23 03:36:15 PM
It's called QXGA and it's been around for a while. Apple did not invent it.


That said, I love my new iPad.
 
2012-03-23 03:48:40 PM
Good jorb, Subby.
 
2012-03-23 03:52:36 PM

imgod2u:
This doesn't happen today, even on phones.


Actually... Mac's are quite good for doing this from what I've seen. The icons on a 13" MBP set to, say, 'small' will look pretty much the same as they do on a 30" cinema display. Same with other UI elements and fonts in general from what I've experienced.

It's Windows that is the exceptionally odd one out.
 
2012-03-23 03:56:02 PM
Ladies and... well, just the ladies, your new headline meme.
 
2012-03-23 03:59:40 PM
Blast Processing.
 
2012-03-23 04:07:10 PM

GreenAdder: Blast Processing.


Damn Serial Buffering

/got nuthin
 
2012-03-23 04:15:04 PM

Vaneshi: imgod2u:
This doesn't happen today, even on phones.

Actually... Mac's are quite good for doing this from what I've seen. The icons on a 13" MBP set to, say, 'small' will look pretty much the same as they do on a 30" cinema display. Same with other UI elements and fonts in general from what I've experienced.

It's Windows that is the exceptionally odd one out.


Not quite. OSX does allow multiple sizes of icons, yes. But those sizes are fixed and currently -- according to Apple -- they're not "retina" friendly because even the highest resolution icon will show up too small on a 13+ display with a 300+ ppi pixel density.

What Windows 8 will do is get rid of static icon pictures altogether. Everything will be scalable vector graphics, which can be rendered at any arbitrary resolution.

Not only that, it will extend this concept to everything in the UI, including fonts, buttons, window borders, etc.

Such a thing wasn't really needed with the traditional desktop because most of your interaction is with individual windows and the taskbar -- which doesn't really need to scale.

But with a full-screen, tile-based metro interface, you can't go about having tiles being rendered at tiny sizes on a retina-like display.
 
2012-03-23 04:15:53 PM

China White Tea: maq0r: They don't. They support ultra dense pixel displays. They never mention "Retina" probably because it's trademarked.

Actual Headline: "Windows 8 will be 'retina' display friendly".

Do you not understand that this is a discussion about the article (as opposed to the actual product), or did you choose to ignore that in favor of having an opportunity to feel 'right" about some pedantic non-point?


Gentlemen, at dawn, ten paces, turn, and pull out your pocket protectors.
 
2012-03-23 04:18:49 PM
When am I going to be able to buy a desktop monitor with these sorts of pixel densities?
 
2012-03-23 04:20:11 PM

cgraves67: timujin: I'm not sure what the problem here is. "Win8 will support a range of displays, including the most current types being made." What am I missing?

The article's headline begins with the word 'Shocker'. If you don't know what that means, subby's headline defines it for you euphemistically.


Ah, right, missed that, thanks.
 
2012-03-23 04:28:12 PM

LasersHurt: Gone In 26 Minutes: LasersHurt: Gone In 26 Minutes: timujin: I'm not sure what the problem here is. "Win8 will support a range of displays, including the most current types being made." What am I missing?

Mostly how bad the Metro interface is, honestly.

The Metro interface is pretty great, in my opinion. At least on tablets. On a PC it's weird.

My experience with it is only on PC. I guess I can see how nice it'd be on a touchscreen, but working with it on a mouse and keyboard is terrible. This wouldn't be so bad if they didn't pretty much push its use and require it be used as the default desktop.

No worries, now, or at release, it will take you all of 5 minutes to restore the start menu and disable Metro.



I've just checked it in a youtube video and it takes only one slide to switch between Metro and the conventional (windowed) desktop interface.

You are working in the office on the old-style desktop using a wireless mouse and a keyboard. When you leave you just grab your tablet, switch to Metro, and you can continue your work (or play a game, go browsing, or do other stuff) using the tablet interface.

Me thinks this is the greatest innovation evar.
 
2012-03-23 04:32:10 PM

Gone In 26 Minutes: timujin: I'm not sure what the problem here is. "Win8 will support a range of displays, including the most current types being made." What am I missing?

Mostly how bad the Metro interface is, honestly.


Works fine for me. Why is it bad to you?
 
2012-03-23 04:33:52 PM
Oh yay, I can look at giant colored squares that make my computer look like an Atari 2600 with high definition. I can't wait.
 
2012-03-23 04:45:32 PM
"The Shocker" (2 in the front, 1 in the back) is old and busted. The new thing is "The Mini-Van" (2 in the front, 5 in the back!).
 
2012-03-23 04:45:34 PM

MrEricSir: Oh yay, I can look at giant colored squares that make my computer look like an Atari 2600 with high definition. I can't wait.


Seriously. I bought a 1920x1200 monitor so I would have maximum real estate for my design and coding work. Now that I've been contemplating moving up to 2560x1600, I discover that it soon won't matter. Hooray!
 
2012-03-23 04:48:44 PM

Farking Canuck: "The Shocker" (2 in the front, 1 in the back) is old and busted. The new thing is "The Mini-Van" (2 in the front, 5 in the back!).


... or the Twister. 2 in the front and 2 in the back, but with your fingers crossed.
 
2012-03-23 04:50:37 PM

Gone In 26 Minutes: timujin: I'm not sure what the problem here is. "Win8 will support a range of displays, including the most current types being made." What am I missing?

Mostly how bad the Metro interface is, honestly.


Gawd, what an abomination that is.
 
2012-03-23 05:15:16 PM
Forgive me, but what the hell is a retina display?
 
2012-03-23 05:28:35 PM

Mentalpatient87: Forgive me, but what the hell is a retina display?


A trademark-able term.
 
2012-03-23 05:31:54 PM

MrEricSir: Oh yay, I can look at giant colored squares that make my computer look like an Atari 2600 with high definition. I can't wait.


I, too, look forward to firing up my desktop and being confronted with that neon trainwreck first thing in the morning.
 
2012-03-23 05:59:59 PM
Absolutely pointless, even if you could actually get quad-hd screens yet.
 
2012-03-23 06:02:22 PM
This comes out in, what, October? Microsoft, always leading in vaporware.
 
2012-03-23 06:09:43 PM

Mentalpatient87: Forgive me, but what the hell is a retina display?


Blast Processing for the 21st century.
 
2012-03-23 06:12:13 PM

I Like Bread: MrEricSir: Oh yay, I can look at giant colored squares that make my computer look like an Atari 2600 with high definition. I can't wait.

Seriously. I bought a 1920x1200 monitor so I would have maximum real estate for my design and coding work. Now that I've been contemplating moving up to 2560x1600, I discover that it soon won't matter. Hooray!


Traditional apps, such as those you design with, will still offer giant workspaces. Do not fret.
 
2012-03-23 06:13:38 PM

Mentalpatient87: Forgive me, but what the hell is a retina display?


A display with a pixel density such that the human eye can't make out the pixels at normal usage distance.
 
2012-03-23 06:14:18 PM

jjorsett: When am I going to be able to buy a desktop monitor with these sorts of pixel densities?


I was surprised that the new iPad actually accomplished 250dpi+ in a 10"-class LCD panel this year. Apart from a couple hi-res TFT subnotebook screens, there's been nothing else on the market that comes close at that screen size.

I'd estimate it'll be at least 3 or 4 years before larger panels -- say, 17" and above -- will be practical for use in mass-market consumer devices.
 
2012-03-23 06:23:05 PM
Because nobody used high PPI resolutions before Apple came out with their "Retina display" obviously, Apple invented the high resolution display.

/sarcasm
//some jackasses believe this
 
2012-03-23 06:36:27 PM
imgod2u: What Windows 8 will do is get rid of static icon pictures altogether. Everything will be scalable vector graphics, which can be rendered at any arbitrary resolution.

Gnome/Ubuntu has used SVGs as icons/emblems for years.

upload.wikimedia.org

//and people have gone completely insane with their icon themes.

//you can also use PNGs, if you want something with more detail (SVGs scale, but there's only so much pixel level detail you can put in).
 
2012-03-23 06:41:02 PM

ericbo84: Because nobody used high PPI resolutions before Apple came out with their "Retina display" obviously, Apple invented the high resolution display.


What devices were you using that had high-PPI screens before the iPhone 4 was released?

And don't tell me you had an IBM T221, unless you're willing to sell it to me for a hundred bucks.
 
2012-03-23 07:00:44 PM
I missed the part where this was an actual shipping product... you know, like the iPad. All I see is "will", as in "you will have to wait until we ship it to see if it lives up to our claims".
 
2012-03-23 07:05:30 PM
Speaking of which, I think I need to grab a couple of these and throw them into my emblems folder.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Desktop_icons_2.20

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tango_icons
 
2012-03-23 07:08:09 PM

1macgeek: I missed the part where this was an actual shipping product... you know, like the iPad. All I see is "will", as in "you will have to wait until we ship it to see if it lives up to our claims".


Do people honestly think Microsoft is just gonna go "whoops!" and not ship Windows 8 as expected? This is the second post in here about potential "vaporware" for what is ultimately a silly-simple feature.
 
2012-03-23 07:12:45 PM

1macgeek: I missed the part where this was an actual shipping product... you know, like the iPad. All I see is "will", as in "you will have to wait until we ship it to see if it lives up to our claims".


Wow, you're awesome. It's always fun to see how any mention of Windows causes you to spray diarrhea all over your keyboard.
 
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