EWreckedSean: jaytkay: give me doughnuts: I've never heard of this continent called "Afrikaner." Could you point it out on a map?

If you don't know what Afrikaner means, Google for some enlightenment.

If you are pretending not to know, you're a jerk.

White South African of European decent? i think.

Dutch Hugenot.

Black people problems.

In-case this hasn't been linked to already.
http://ideas.time.com/2012/03/21/how-to-talk-to-young-black-boys-about -trayvon-martin/#ixzz1ppD7SNY8

ItsMyNameYouCantHaveIt: it's been stated in this thread already, but I feel It must be repeated because apparently some people don't quite get it.

ZIMMERMAN IS NOT WHITE

It's been stated in this thread already, but I feel It must be repeated because apparently some people don't quite get it:

YOU CAN BE BOTH WHITE AND HISPANIC.

I really didn't think Geraldo was this farking stupid.

hbk72777:

It's quite sad that minorities have to go through that, but I guess like it or not it IS the reality, I guess if I were black, I'd tell my kids the same.

Shut the fark up. I have long hair, wear a leather jacket and look like I'm part of the Hells Angels. When I go into a store, I make sure to keep my hands out of my pockets, even reaching in to get my cell phone, I make sure everyone can see what I'm doing. People fear me, it's just the way it is.

Point is, nobody is shooting Wayne Brady for a sudden movement,

You have the option of cutting your hair (which grows back), and putting on a suit or t-shirt and jeans or button down shirt and slacks. If you have tattoos, if they are on an area that can be covered by a long sleeved shirt and pants, you can cover them.

A black person will always be black no matter what he wears or how he keeps his hair, and there will be those in this country who will fear them. Apples, oranges.

BTW, Wayne Brady is just as susceptible to be shot while black as any other black man in this country, save the president... and that's only because he has armed, trained guards around him at all times. If no one knows who he is, he becomes a suspect just like every other black male in america. He's not special, and I'm sure he will tell you so if you ask him, probably with a few stories thrown in.

jjorsett: Rivera took it a step too far by saying the hoodie was just as 'responsible' as the killer, but his point about not looking like a thug is valid. It would be wise not to wear a hoodie if you're a minority kid, just like it's wise to not shave off your hair and tat yourself up with swastikas if you're a White guy.

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Yeah, b/c every white person is a nazi underneath.

I thought the deal is you're white when committing hate crimes and latino when you're the victim. At least that's how the crimes stats are kept.

Julie Cochrane: Dusk-You-n-Me: Julie Cochrane: "Stand your ground" laws have never been "arm up, and follow 'those people' around" laws.

And yet here we are.

Law brought to you by the NRA. But they're only concerned with gun safety. Right.

I was active in my state NRA affiliate organization and an active member of NRA, took the time to vote in BoD elections, etc., took the time to be outraged by AckMack hijacking the organization, celebrity board members, the whole 9 yards.

NRA has never been in support of people crossing the line into vigilantism the way Zimmerman did.

Good: Being armed at home
Good: Being armed when you take your normal walk for fitness in your neighborhood
Good: Being armed in your car
Good: Being armed when you go just wherever you would normally go
Good: Using your cell phone to call police to report suspicious activity.

Necessary: Drawing and shooting to stop the attack if someone attacks you or your family with you and if a reasonable person in that same situation, knowing what you know then, would believe he was in immediate danger of death or serious bodily harm.

Bad: Arming up and patrolling the streets or following people on the streets and interrogating them as if you were a sworn law enforcement officer when you're not.

If Zimmerman wanted to patrol the streets and interrogate people who might be dangerous, to keep citizens safe, he should have applied for a job with the police department. If he applied and the PD wouldn't hire him---if the rest of us didn't want to trust him to be one of the guys keeping us safe---um, well, look, maybe there was a reason for that, yeah?

Armed self-defense is because when violence is happening to you, the police won't be there and can't get there in time. You need to be able to defend yourself until they get there.

Armed self-defense is not to let people appoint themselves to be police for the whole neighborhood or town no matter what the rest of the citizenry have to say. We make police officers pass psych e ...

Nice post but I think you're wasting your time. Everyone is screaming that NRA is cheering this kids death and want to turn the US into a free fire zone where you can shoot anyone, anytime, anywhere and just walk away. They are not interested in tabling their hysteria or agenda to be real human beings. Doesn't matter that the NRA has repeatedly denounced what Zimmerman did and the people who wrote the law say that nothing in it should be interpreted as an excuse not to charge him. Or that nothing in the stand-your-ground law gives you the right to chase some random, unarmed person down, start a fight and then kill them while claiming self defense. In fact, the only person this law apparently authorizes for use of lethal force here is Martin and the local police department just flat out farked everything up.

Reason, restraint and honesty cease to exist when politics is put into play. Everyone is commanded to indulge themselves by losing their freaking minds and spouting ridiculous shiat until they're red in the face.

Mugombie: Sticky Hands: Well there' burglars in the city that make me feel shiatty
And there's some that make me pack a gat
But the ones doing crime, oh will never be mine
I can't catch them at this time of day

I ain't got no hat, i ain't got no badge
I gotta find me a thief to cap-ture tonight

Sport'n a hoody, and you're walkin' by
Sport'n a hoody, I'm chasing that guy
Sport'n a hoody, fists and skittles fly
Sport'n a hoody, made somebody die yeah

Holy shiat a Dangerous Toys reference!
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Holy shiat. I still have that album.

/and Acres

ciberido: ItsMyNameYouCantHaveIt: it's been stated in this thread already, but I feel It must be repeated because apparently some people don't quite get it.

ZIMMERMAN IS NOT WHITE

It's been stated in this thread already, but I feel It must be repeated because apparently some people don't quite get it:

YOU CAN BE BOTH WHITE AND HISPANIC.

For some reason there are white people who are DESPERATE not to have this asshole as one of their own, even though there are plenty of white hispanics as well as brown ones and black ones.

Wonder why that is?

stebain: Julie Cochrane: Now some of the other things I've read about this case are that the pictures the family is circulating of Trayvon are deliberately out of date and babyfaced to make him look like a little kid when he's a great big 6'2" football player
I get the whole "he isn't a 'child' in the young sense" and calling him so makes it seem like he was wee, but 140 lbs isn't "great big" either.

for one thing, and that Zimmerman had grass stains all down his back from being down on the ground in a struggle
Which didn't make the initial report. Nor the bloody nose or bloody back of the head. (assuming they existed) No pictures or medical report either.

and that Zimmerman may well have been in physical danger when he fired.
probably not danger of life. If he thought his life was in danger, I can see doing what he had to do. I don't see the government having or granting any freedom of self-defense since he put himself in the situation AND exacerbated it by pursuit.

That's how I see it.

When I got my first gun and my carry permit, you can be ferdamnsure I wanted to understand the rules so I wouldn't get myself in worse trouble having a pistol than if I'd never had it.

If you take the trouble to learn the rules, it makes (or should make) you careful as all hell to avoid any kind of trash talk or harshness or rudeness that could possibly lead to a fight. If someone says something nasty and you're carrying, you just let it go. Someone's an aggressive driver, just let it be, let them have their wreck somewhere else.

And the reason is that sometimes you simply cannot avoid trouble no matter how much you try to just let things slide. Sometimes someone is going to pick a fight with you no matter what you do. Sometimes someone is going to decide to come up and hurt you. And that's what you need that gun for--you need that gun in case that ever happens. And if that happens, and you have to (god forbid) shoot that person to stop them from hurting you, you need your self-defense claim to hold up in court.

And anything you do to start the fight, or to keep the fight going when you could have let it slide and let the fight end, or you could have just walked away, anything you did to escalate the fight----any of that makes it not you the innocent person acting in self-defense of your life, it makes you just one more hothead who got in a fight and killed somebody during an altercation.

Florida's concealed carry permit law has a training requirement, and their training requirement has a class you have to take that explains the law and explains all this shiat. Zimmerman had to take that class. Zimmerman has no farking excuse for not knowing full well that following people around and asking them what they're doing in his neighborhood voids any claim he has to self-defense if that escalates into a fight.

Florida's training class covers the law. Zimmerman had to take the class. He's got no farking excuse.

He's a hothead. He went following a guy around, asking him nosy questions, it started a fight, the fight escalated, and during the fight, Zimmerman killed the other guy.

Now maybe he can get a jury to take that down as far as manslaughter---the manslaughter charge was pretty much made for "we got in a fight and the other guy died." I'm not sure the jury will see it that lightly.

A guy with that mustache is giving other people fashion advice?

rufus-t-firefly: It's a goddamned shame that you have to teach your kids differently than I teach mine. But that is the society in which we live - the society that we're told by Fox News is now "beyond race."

I love how racists like to say we have racial equality now, so people of color should stop whining, misogynists say we have gender equality now, so women should stop whining, and so on. "You've won already, so stop fighting" seems to be a standard ploy to fall back on once the tide turns.

Not that I'm calling Fox News a bunch of racists. Oh, no.

sectorg: Or that nothing in the stand-your-ground law gives you the right to chase some random, unarmed person down, start a fight and then kill them while claiming self defense. In fact, the only person this law apparently authorizes for use of lethal force here is Martin and the local police department just flat out farked everything up.

Not the first time something like this has occurred down there due to that law.

I kindof agree with him :-(

Dear_Leader: I kindof agree with him :-(

I wish kids didn't dress that like, but then old farks like me have been saying that since 4000 B.C.

rewind2846: For some reason there are white people who are DESPERATE not to have this asshole as one of their own, even though there are plenty of white hispanics as well as brown ones and black ones.

Wonder why that is?

I believe that no one wants to claim that this stupid cop wannabe as part of their species, much less their race.

Dusk-You-n-Me: Julie Cochrane: NRA, like ACLU, is one of those organizations that people love to hate, and its name gets spewed around like a curse word. Like ACLU, when you look at most of the actual work it does, it does a hell of a lot of good in the community.

I just happened to have stumbled across a blurb about this incident that uses the ACLU as a contrast to the NRA.

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Seriously, if the ACLU were as deranged in defending the First Amendment as the NRA is in defending its distorted version of the Second, you'd be able to walk up to a crucifixion statue in the middle of St. Boyrape's Cathedral, shiat on Christ's face, and claim "freedom of expression," and the laws would back you up and how dare anyone be such a pussy as to claim that shiatting on Christ's face isn't free speech. Link (new window)

The ACLU's defense of NAMBLA is just as farked up as anything the NRA ever did (even if they are right, constitutionally speaking). Same goes for the NRA. The second amendment exists. You can't pick and choose the amendments you like and don't like. Other people have different priorities than you do and you have no right to curtail that under the constitution.

Magnetar: Hoodies as a fashion statement suck in general. You look like a tool. Or a thug. Either way: Dumb.

Or just maybe you don't want your head cold

Roadmaps!!

hubiestubert: tallguywithglasseson: downstairs: I mean, I wear a hoodie every day. And I'm as white as hell.

Well, if you're white, you can wear hoodies. Or most anything you want, within reason, and you won't look "suspicious".

Depends. You drive a 1988 New Yorker, and you've got brown people in the car with you, even if you're all dressed in shirt and tie, and I can name a dozen cities where being white and in the driver's seat won't mean jack or sh*t.

I have been stopped I don't know how many times, when cops got a look at the brown faces of my crew and friends, and then rolled up to make a check to see if everyone was alright. When I was in Colorado, driving my Filipinos around, I had a cop ask me point blank if I was being held against my will.

White people be crazy when they see folks of different ethnicities hanging out...

Heh. I was gonna say.

All I have to do to instantly revoke my "white chick" social card is, apparently, be somewhere with a black date.

Reactions instantly and subtly shift. The reactions, walking around as a white chick with a black date is like a box of chocolates---you never know what you're going to get. Mmmmph. No. No teeth.

/_{sorry, couldn't resist. lol.}

hbk72777: Shut the fark up. I have long hair, wear a leather jacket and look like I'm part of the Hells Angels. When I go into a store, I make sure to keep my hands out of my pockets, even reaching in to get my cell phone, I make sure everyone can see what I'm doing. People fear me, it's just the way it is. You want to look a certain way, you accept the fact that you take the good with the bad

So.... black people look black because they want to look black?

hermitage_deux: this is tragic...

but there is some blame to be shared by the black community/culture, that celebrates and even idolizes thuggary, violence, and murder.

when 8 out of 10 blacks teens are robbin and mobbin ... they have a big share of the responsibility for society's failure to distinguish in an instant, whether they are facing the violent sociopathic 80% that is going to curb stomp them and rape their wife, or, the civil 20% that still dresses and fronts like the violent 80% for their own self preservation.

gangs celebrate beatings, murders, and rapes. and very high percentages of black youth are gang affiliated. that fact makes life for the non-gang affiliated black youth very difficult. because of the behavior of the majority (depending on the area), a person's first assumption has to be that he's facing a very dangerous person.

on the otherhand, if the violent segment was a very small percentage of the total... the assumption would be the opposite. when approached by a hooded group you might think, "look there... it's some 17 yeard old black kids in hoodies approaching. and oh look over there, a butterfly on the bench!"

but due to the culture of violence that they embrace... as it is (again, depending on the area youre in)... the thought is "oh fark. it's a group of 17 year old black kids in hoodies. what's my farkin escape route?"

or, if you're walking with your wife... in the park with her at sunset... you might be thinking, " i sure am glad i have one in the chamber."

Wow too much stupid for me to even respond

o5iiawah: As long as you want to play sides, your "side" first had a wet dream when you found his name was Zimmerman and are now trying to convince people that hispanics are white.

Many Hispanics ARE white, you idiot. Hispanic is NOT A RACE.

Hyppy: Morpheses: Hyppy: Oh, and this was about 15-20 miles away from Sanford.

YOU BIG DUMMY!

What did I miss?

The Big One.

HotWingConspiracy: sectorg: Or that nothing in the stand-your-ground law gives you the right to chase some random, unarmed person down, start a fight and then kill them while claiming self defense. In fact, the only person this law apparently authorizes for use of lethal force here is Martin and the local police department just flat out farked everything up.

Not the first time something like this has occurred down there due to that law.

Well, where are those examples and why is the media not in an uproar over them? I get that the law has been merely invoked before but to say that people are shooting each other and citing this law like an incantation to get away with murder sounds more sensational than real.

ItsMyNameYouCantHaveIt: it's been stated in this thread already, but I feel It must be repeated because apparently some people don't quite get it.

ZIMMERMAN IS NOT WHITE

And here's one thing you may not be aware of:

HISPANIC PEOPLE ARE WHITE.

Hispanic is an ethnic subset of white. Why the fark do you think there's a category for "White (Hispanic)" and "White (Non-Hispanic)" on government forms?

Sure, there are Hispanic people who don't have a pale complexion, but that's irrelevant. Italians and Greeks are considered white, just like translucent gingers are.

kbronsito: ciberido: ItsMyNameYouCantHaveIt: it's been stated in this thread already, but I feel It must be repeated because apparently some people don't quite get it.

ZIMMERMAN IS NOT WHITE

It's been stated in this thread already, but I feel It must be repeated because apparently some people don't quite get it:

YOU CAN BE BOTH WHITE AND HISPANIC.

The police report described him as a white male. If you are white enough to be considered white by the police you are white.

Being a white Hispanic myself, I can attest to this. Back in college, whenever there was a noise complaint at a Latin party and I was present, I got designated to talk to the police. Between my complexion and my ability to go from slurring drunk to a perfectly respectable "evening officer, how can I help you", I was always the best choice.

Oh My God.

You were the Designated Cracker? LOL

That is farking hilarious.

Okay, I have had my dose of funny for the day. Thank you, thank you very much.

ciberido: rufus-t-firefly: It's a goddamned shame that you have to teach your kids differently than I teach mine. But that is the society in which we live - the society that we're told by Fox News is now "beyond race."

I love how racists like to say we have racial equality now, so people of color should stop whining, misogynists say we have gender equality now, so women should stop whining, and so on. "You've won already, so stop fighting" seems to be a standard ploy to fall back on once the tide turns.

Not that I'm calling Fox News a bunch of racists. Oh, no.

Sometimes, Fox News admits there's racism...but it's always blacks who are racist against whites, you see, because we all know that Black America is in a position of power all over the country and can oppress white people at any time.

ItsMyNameYouCantHaveIt: it's been stated in this thread already, but I feel It must be repeated because apparently some people don't quite get it.

ZIMMERMAN IS NOT WHITE

I don't care if he's Hispanic, Chinese, Indian, Maori, or Sioux. He saw a black kid walking along, minding his own business, and he followed and confronted him for no reason. And he had a history of racist views and possibly uttered a racial slur as he went after the kid. If that last bit turns out to be true, then it was a hate crime plain and simple. Just as it would have been if Martin had shot him for being hispanic. Or fat.

sectorg: HotWingConspiracy: sectorg: Or that nothing in the stand-your-ground law gives you the right to chase some random, unarmed person down, start a fight and then kill them while claiming self defense. In fact, the only person this law apparently authorizes for use of lethal force here is Martin and the local police department just flat out farked everything up.

Not the first time something like this has occurred down there due to that law.

Well, where are those examples and why is the media not in an uproar over them? I get that the law has been merely invoked before but to say that people are shooting each other and citing this law like an incantation to get away with murder sounds more sensational than real.

Forget shooting - how about stabbing? (new window)

Back in January, Garcia, 25, saw Pedro Roteta, 26, trying to steal the radio from his truck, which was parked outside Garcia's Miami apartment. Garcia grabbed a large knife, ran downstairs and chased Roteta for at least a block. The incident was caught on tape and showed that Garcia stabbed Roteta to death. At the time Roteta was carrying a bag with stolen radios "but no weapon other than a pocketknife, which was unopened in his pocket and which police said he never brandished."

The Herald reports that a judge threw out the charges against Garcia, citing the state's "stand your ground" law. As we reported earlier this week, the law did away with "the English Law concept of 'duty to retreat' from a situation that is dangerous outside your home." The Florida Supreme Court also decided that it should be a judge, not a jury, who decides whether to grant a suspect immunity based on the law.

This decision was made yesterday, so it hasn't had time to be reported as anything other than a companion piece to the Trayvon Martin kiling, but it's instance of someone forcing a confrontation and killing someone. This one actually got charged, however. White Hispanic on White Hispanic crime is treated differently, I guess.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Republican response to Martin murder: "N***er shouldn't have been n***in in that neighborhood." I haven't heard a single defense of Zimmerman that doesn't boil down to that.

Not a single one? You must not be reading much on it...or listening to any news reports or commentaries on it...

It seems like you're trying to imply something. Man up and say what's on your mind.

rewind2846: Wonder why that is?

maybe because you're trying to say that his behavior is an example of my behaviour, based simply on your racist assumption that all non-blacks are all alike? Can't tell us apart anyway, might as well be the same person.

kbronsito: The police report described him as a white male. If you are white enough to be considered white by the police you are white.

Being a white Hispanic myself, I can attest to this.

I'm so white I turn invisible when it snows, but I have frequently been mistaken for a native in both Mexico and Chile. That misunderstanding clears up the moment they hear my atrocious accent, but I can and do pass for a local based on appearance.

And another thing, what's with all that damn Rock n' Roll. That stuff hurts my head.