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(Slate)   A long time ago, George Lucas used to make really good movies. No, seriously   (slate.com) divider line 48
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2012-03-23 11:41:42 AM  
Then he discovered that having money is good!
 
2012-03-23 12:11:00 PM  
In a galaxy far, far away...
 
2012-03-23 01:19:22 PM  
A long time ago, George Lucas used to make really good movies work with people who would tell him when an idea was stupid. No, seriously
 
2012-03-23 01:19:45 PM  
A long time ago, George Lucas had to work with people who were calling him out on his crappy story ideas and dialogue.
 
2012-03-23 01:20:41 PM  

Snapper Carr: A long time ago, George Lucas used to make really good movies work with people who would tell him when an idea was stupid. No, seriously


** does Vader chokehold on Snapper Carr **
 
2012-03-23 01:22:56 PM  
 
2012-03-23 01:24:19 PM  

Snapper Carr: A long time ago, George Lucas used to make really good movies work with people who would tell him when an idea was stupid. No, seriously


gunga galunga: A long time ago, George Lucas had to work with people who were calling him out on his crappy story ideas and dialogue.


THIS & THAT.

He used to hang out with his buddies such as Steven Spielberg, Francis Ford Coppola, and Brian De Palma. When they saw the first cut of Star Wars, they said "look George, you have an amazing idea, but it needs some VERY serious editing".
 
2012-03-23 01:37:09 PM  

beta_plus: Snapper Carr: A long time ago, George Lucas used to make really good movies work with people who would tell him when an idea was stupid. No, seriously

gunga galunga: A long time ago, George Lucas had to work with people who were calling him out on his crappy story ideas and dialogue.

THIS & THAT.

He used to hang out with his buddies such as Steven Spielberg, Francis Ford Coppola, and Brian De Palma. When they saw the first cut of Star Wars, they said "look George, you have an amazing idea, but it needs some VERY serious editing".


and a little bitta that
 
2012-03-23 01:39:57 PM  
What are we comparing those too? Ep1? Then, yes. Those were good.
 
2012-03-23 01:56:29 PM  
He's said time and time again that he's sick of all the shiat he's taken for the latest re-release of Star Wars, and how now he's going to do nothing but more movies like these.

And yet, all we get is Star Wars Ep I in 3D.
 
2012-03-23 01:57:12 PM  

beta_plus: Snapper Carr: A long time ago, George Lucas used to make really good movies work with people who would tell him when an idea was stupid. No, seriously

gunga galunga: A long time ago, George Lucas had to work with people who were calling him out on his crappy story ideas and dialogue.

THIS & THAT.

He used to hang out with his buddies such as Steven Spielberg, Francis Ford Coppola, and Brian De Palma. When they saw the first cut of Star Wars, they said "look George, you have an amazing idea, but it needs some VERY serious editing".


so when you were there in the screening room, what exactly did they say?
what did YOU tell ol' George?

OH YOU WEREN'T THERE....

so you are just making this stuff up aren't you....yeaaaahhhhh...

you should talk to Richard Chew about how Star Wars was edited and why it ended up the way it did.
then go read some more on Coppola and Crew and their reaction to Star Wars.

you will also learn a ton reading about Gary Kurtz take on things..

all of these people were there..you weren't..

there were a number of problems with the first cut of Star Wars, the LEAST of it was "the editing" but having no experience and just being an internet saturday morning movie quarterhack, you wouldn't know that would you....

no.

but please, tell us more about your first hand knowledge of the subject.

clowns

it's full of clowns....
 
2012-03-23 02:05:17 PM  
With that many people working on the prequels, they can't all have been yes-men. Someone somewhere must have called Lucas on at least one bad choice during production.
 
2012-03-23 02:08:15 PM  
Meh, looks like an old episode the CBC's "The Nature of Things" with David Suzuki.
 
2012-03-23 02:09:21 PM  

gunga galunga: A long time ago, George Lucas had to work with people who were calling him out on his crappy story ideas and dialogue.


Ya know what's funny: his staff and crew must give up at some point and start tossing out retarded ideas for the sake of fun, then snicker behind his back as Lucas adopts them.

"Hey George! So the planet is ringed by a blockade, right? These guys are galactic merchants with the best trade ship tech in the universe, right? Well, how about our guy just pretty much sails right through the blockade, no problem? And then he can land on the planet and resolve the next plot point."

"Hey David, can second AD shoot that?"

"Sure, George."

"Done, then."

{snicker! snicker!}
 
2012-03-23 02:13:03 PM  

James Scameron: OH YOU WEREN'T THERE....


And I feel safe in assuming you weren't either, so maybe for rage could be more positively redirected?

Or maybe you should switch to decaf.

Or better yet, stop being such a drama douche.

As for the editing of the original Star Wars, here's a nice little interview with Paul Hirsch, the primary editor of the movie.
 
2012-03-23 02:15:11 PM  
Stop, Stop with the George Lucas hate.
I wanted to rant on but, that's all.
Just knock it off.
 
2012-03-23 02:19:14 PM  

CitizenTed: gunga galunga: A long time ago, George Lucas had to work with people who were calling him out on his crappy story ideas and dialogue.

Ya know what's funny: his staff and crew must give up at some point and start tossing out retarded ideas for the sake of fun, then snicker behind his back as Lucas adopts them.

"Hey George! So the planet is ringed by a blockade, right? These guys are galactic merchants with the best trade ship tech in the universe, right? Well, how about our guy just pretty much sails right through the blockade, no problem? And then he can land on the planet and resolve the next plot point."

"Hey David, can second AD shoot that?"

"Sure, George."

"Done, then."

{snicker! snicker!}


Hey, George, you know what people really wanted in the first trilogy? More of Yoda bouncing around with "his little laser sword". Yeah, George, that's what the original trilogy lacked. Oh, and having every farking frame being completely filled with shiat. 'Cause that's the sign of a great director George. Oh, and more shot-reverse-shot. And all conversations should go: walking, stop, shot-reverse-shot, then either sit down or start walking again.

You're a farking genius, George.
 
2012-03-23 02:25:37 PM  

Fireproof: He's said time and time again that he's sick of all the shiat he's taken for the latest re-release of Star Wars, and how now he's going to do nothing but more movies like these.

And yet, all we get is Star Wars Ep I in 3D.


I thought he retired from making his own films so he can produce horribly offensive horsesh*t like Red Tails.
 
2012-03-23 02:30:01 PM  
Hey.

No one forced you to watch the prequels or buy the revised versions of the original trilogy.
 
2012-03-23 02:33:09 PM  

Current Resident: Hey.

No one forced you to watch the prequels or buy the revised versions of the original trilogy.


This. It's your own damn fault for funding him, you spineless crybabies.
 
2012-03-23 02:58:07 PM  

born_yesterday: Hey, George, you know what people really wanted in the first trilogy? More of Yoda bouncing around with "his little laser sword". Yeah, George, that's what the original trilogy lacked. Oh, and having every farking frame being completely filled with shiat. 'Cause that's the sign of a great director George. Oh, and more shot-reverse-shot. And all conversations should go: walking, stop, shot-reverse-shot, then either sit down or start walking again.


Oh now you've farking done it.

Release The Mugato!
 
2012-03-23 03:05:01 PM  
I still think American Graffiti was his best film. For these reasons:
1. It takes place in a self-consistent universe.
2. The language used is native to that universe.
3. There is no bloat. A tight budget forced a lean narrative.
4. He hasn't yet forgotten what fun entails.
5. It doesn't take itself too seriously. Mostly this.
 
2012-03-23 03:11:09 PM  
"Hello! What eesa going on in this threa-Oh shiat."
 
2012-03-23 03:16:29 PM  
Money insulates you from people who can help you with your emotional disorders.
 
2012-03-23 03:55:26 PM  
Dear god. That was about as entertaining as Star Wars.
 
2012-03-23 04:06:21 PM  
Me-sa love good movie. Hahahahah!
 
2012-03-23 04:31:32 PM  

James Scameron: beta_plus: Snapper Carr: A long time ago, George Lucas used to make really good movies work with people who would tell him when an idea was stupid. No, seriously

gunga galunga: A long time ago, George Lucas had to work with people who were calling him out on his crappy story ideas and dialogue.

THIS & THAT.

He used to hang out with his buddies such as Steven Spielberg, Francis Ford Coppola, and Brian De Palma. When they saw the first cut of Star Wars, they said "look George, you have an amazing idea, but it needs some VERY serious editing".

so when you were there in the screening room, what exactly did they say?
what did YOU tell ol' George?

OH YOU WEREN'T THERE....

so you are just making this stuff up aren't you....yeaaaahhhhh...

you should talk to Richard Chew about how Star Wars was edited and why it ended up the way it did.
then go read some more on Coppola and Crew and their reaction to Star Wars.

you will also learn a ton reading about Gary Kurtz take on things..

all of these people were there..you weren't..

there were a number of problems with the first cut of Star Wars, the LEAST of it was "the editing" but having no experience and just being an internet saturday morning movie quarterhack, you wouldn't know that would you....

no.

but please, tell us more about your first hand knowledge of the subject.

clowns

it's full of clowns....


You sound like an unemployed film major.
 
2012-03-23 04:43:38 PM  
There was a Lucas thread a few weeks back; someone posted an article about Marcia, George's wife at the time and co-editor of Star Wars. Very interesting, very revealing. Explains A LOT about George. Anyone know where to find it?
 
2012-03-23 04:49:12 PM  

beta_plus:

OH YOU WEREN'T THERE....

so you are just making this stuff up aren't you....yeaaaahhhhh...

you should talk to Richard Chew about how Star Wars was edited and why it ended up the way it did.
then go read some more on Coppola and Crew and their reaction to Star Wars.

you will also learn a ton reading about Gary Kurtz take on things..

all of these people were there..you weren't..

there were a number of problems with the first cut of Star Wars, the LEAST of it was "the editing" but having no experience and just being an internet saturday morning movie quarterhack, you wouldn't know that would you....

no.

but please, tell us more about your first hand knowledge of the subject.

clowns

it's full of clowns....

You sound like an unemployed film major.


Laugh now, but you'll see. Oh yes, one day you'll all see. His screenplay, 10 years in the making, will march forth from the trunk in his parents attic, and the world will know his true genius. The masses will revel in this coffee stained magnum opus of exactly 120 pages. This film major will rule Hollywood and prove that you all know nothing! YOU WERE NEVER THERE!

Film school was worth it! It was worth it all along!
 
2012-03-23 06:46:22 PM  

Current Resident: Hey.

No one forced you to watch the prequels or buy the revised versions of the original trilogy.


I might have to disagree with you here, as unless you owned the unaltered versions, you might have a harder time finding them. George DID kinda force people to watch his newer visions, by making the originals unavailable...
 
2012-03-23 07:01:31 PM  

fearmongert: Current Resident: Hey.

No one forced you to watch the prequels or buy the revised versions of the original trilogy.

I might have to disagree with you here, as unless you owned the unaltered versions, you might have a harder time finding them. George DID kinda force people to watch his newer visions, by making the originals unavailable...


This is what I don't get: there's obviously a high demand for the original unaltered episodes 4-6 on DVD. The diehards will buy the umpteenth special edition no matter what - but as a casual fan of the series I have no desire to see anything but the original versions of the films and won't shell out for anything else. I'd be happy with an anamorphic transfer on a barebones DVD.

Seems like he's leaving a lot of money on the table by not doing this. I know Lucas isn't short on cash and he's a control freak and is trying to get me to buy into his latest vision of Star Wars. But there are a lot of people like me who like the films enough to buy the originals (with a decent anamorphic transfer) but not enough to buy the absurd special edition versions.
 
2012-03-23 07:27:59 PM  

fearmongert: Current Resident: Hey.

No one forced you to watch the prequels or buy the revised versions of the original trilogy.

I might have to disagree with you here, as unless you owned the unaltered versions, you might have a harder time finding them. George DID kinda force people to watch his newer visions, by making the originals unavailable...


OK, you got me there. I suppose age lends a bias here and I didn't think what I said through.

My statement was mainly aimed at the "GEORGE LUCAS RAPED MY CHILDHOOD!" set that just can't seem to get over it.
 
2012-03-23 07:36:34 PM  

Current Resident: the "GEORGE LUCAS RAPED MY CHILDHOOD!" set


It's hard not to picture a blubbering, 400-pound neckbeard when reading those comments.
 
2012-03-23 07:46:46 PM  
Well duh, thankfully he was part of the next wave that after the auteurs that felt that people had enough of gloomy movies that are more pissing contests by director/producers who think they can do no wrong (Friedkin's "Sorcerer" and Cimino's "Heaven's Gate", ETC) and brought family entertainment back.
 
2012-03-23 07:53:59 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Current Resident: the "GEORGE LUCAS RAPED MY CHILDHOOD!" set

It's hard not to picture a blubbering, 400-pound neckbeard when reading those comments.


Funny, that's exactly how I picture those folks.
 
2012-03-23 08:07:34 PM  

Snapper Carr: A long time ago, George Lucas used to make really good movies work with people who would tell him when an idea was stupid. No, seriously


And a wife who knew how to edit.
 
2012-03-23 08:25:59 PM  

velvet_fog: fearmongert: Current Resident: Hey.

No one forced you to watch the prequels or buy the revised versions of the original trilogy.

I might have to disagree with you here, as unless you owned the unaltered versions, you might have a harder time finding them. George DID kinda force people to watch his newer visions, by making the originals unavailable...

This is what I don't get: there's obviously a high demand for the original unaltered episodes 4-6 on DVD. The diehards will buy the umpteenth special edition no matter what - but as a casual fan of the series I have no desire to see anything but the original versions of the films and won't shell out for anything else. I'd be happy with an anamorphic transfer on a barebones DVD.

Seems like he's leaving a lot of money on the table by not doing this. I know Lucas isn't short on cash and he's a control freak and is trying to get me to buy into his latest vision of Star Wars. But there are a lot of people like me who like the films enough to buy the originals (with a decent anamorphic transfer) but not enough to buy the absurd special edition versions.


Buy the special edition trilogy on DVD. Throw away the special edition discs. Keep the bonus discs which are the original theatrical releases.
 
2012-03-23 08:35:37 PM  

Cythraul: Then he discovered that having money is good!


fingerfood.typepad.com
 
2012-03-23 08:45:37 PM  
THX1138 is awesome.
 
2012-03-23 09:55:28 PM  
american graffiti is still one of my favorite movies and I can't stand farkin' baby boomers. hell, I even enjoyed the sequel but georgey was all too star warsy to be involved by then
 
2012-03-23 11:06:34 PM  
Lucas was seduced by the Dark Side of Hollywood. He ceased to be the visionary director of THX-1138 and became George Lucas, CEO of Lucasfilm Ltd. When that happened, the good man who created American Graffiti was destroyed. He's more machine now than man, twisted and evil.
 
2012-03-24 12:32:56 AM  

beta_plus: He used to hang out with his buddies such as Steven Spielberg, Francis Ford Coppola, and Brian De Palma. When they saw the first cut of Star Wars, they said "look George, you have an amazing idea, but it needs some VERY serious editing".


Which is funny, because Lucas is primarily an editor by trade and his directional technique is to shoot the shiat out of scenes and then edit together the best from the many takes. This is probably why the performances of very good actors in the new films are so limp: as he grew rustier at directing he lost the ability to direct actors where he maintained his editing madskillz. And by the time Ep I rolls around, he's too farking rich and successful for anyone to tell him what he's doing wrong.

But there are other reasons too.

Like how Lucas drafted the living shiat out of Episode IV over a period of four years and got in several friends to help polish up his dialogue (that Harrison Ford famously commented "You can write this shiat George, but you sure as hell can't make me say it"). He didn't do that for the prequels. By 1999 he was the richest man in cinema and he simply couldn't be bothered to brush up his scripts like he used to. He forgot his limitations.
 
2012-03-24 12:47:59 AM  
A long time from now, in a galaxy far, far away from this one, I'll never have to hear about farking Star Wars ever again.
 
2012-03-24 06:50:23 AM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: A long time from now, in a galaxy far, far away from this one, I'll never have to hear about farking Star Wars ever again.


Thanks for coming into a George Lucas thread to tell us how much you hate Star Wars....
You must be soooo much cooler than me.
 
2012-03-24 10:14:35 AM  

James Scameron: beta_plus: Snapper Carr: A long time ago, George Lucas used to make really good movies work with people who would tell him when an idea was stupid. No, seriously

gunga galunga: A long time ago, George Lucas had to work with people who were calling him out on his crappy story ideas and dialogue.

THIS & THAT.

He used to hang out with his buddies such as Steven Spielberg, Francis Ford Coppola, and Brian De Palma. When they saw the first cut of Star Wars, they said "look George, you have an amazing idea, but it needs some VERY serious editing".

so when you were there in the screening room, what exactly did they say?
what did YOU tell ol' George?

OH YOU WEREN'T THERE....

so you are just making this stuff up aren't you....yeaaaahhhhh...

you should talk to Richard Chew about how Star Wars was edited and why it ended up the way it did.
then go read some more on Coppola and Crew and their reaction to Star Wars.

you will also learn a ton reading about Gary Kurtz take on things..

all of these people were there..you weren't..

there were a number of problems with the first cut of Star Wars, the LEAST of it was "the editing" but having no experience and just being an internet saturday morning movie quarterhack, you wouldn't know that would you....

no.

but please, tell us more about your first hand knowledge of the subject.

clowns

it's full of clowns....



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/Q&D
 
2012-03-24 11:17:37 AM  

fearmongert: Thanks for coming into a George Lucas thread to tell us how much you hate Star Wars....


Isn't that what everyone else is doing?
 
2012-03-24 10:26:31 PM  

Mentalpatient87: fearmongert: Thanks for coming into a George Lucas thread to tell us how much you hate Star Wars....

Isn't that what everyone else is doing?


No. They hate George Lucas.
 
2012-03-25 02:59:23 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Mentalpatient87: fearmongert: Thanks for coming into a George Lucas thread to tell us how much you hate Star Wars....

Isn't that what everyone else is doing?

No. They hate George Lucas.


important distinction.
 
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