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(NPR)   Dopes and Changes for the worse: "The U.S. intelligence community will now be able to store information about Americans with no ties to terrorism for up to five years under new Obama administration guidelines"   (npr.org) divider line 204
    More: Asinine, intelligence community, obama, U.S., Americans, Obama administration, National Counterterrorism Center, Marc Rotenberg, Electronic Privacy Information Center  
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2012-03-23 01:41:42 AM  
Freedom is gone. Another nail in liberty 's coffin.
 
2012-03-23 10:24:42 AM  

violentsalvation: Freedom is gone. Another nail in liberty 's coffin.


I hope you are being snarky.
 
2012-03-23 10:24:43 AM  
Once started down this road Subby, did you expect anyone to give up this power, and not try to expand it?
 
2012-03-23 10:24:45 AM  
"Total Information Awareness appears to be reconstructing itself,"

sounds like part of a terminator movie.
 
2012-03-23 10:25:09 AM  
Most frustrating thing for me is that it's highly unlikely that I'm going to see an *actual* liberal president any time in the next few decades. This, right here, is why so many liberals call Obama center-right. And judging by the level of horror exhibited by the right when a moderate like Obama takes office, I don't think you'll see a true liberal, left-wing president until this generation literally dies.

It's especially frustrating knowing just how much momentum federal programs have and how hard it is to un-do them. It takes a good amount to get them set up, but it requires a herculean effort to get them disbanded.
 
2012-03-23 10:25:20 AM  
Allahu Akbar

Better safe than sorry I say.
 
2012-03-23 10:25:27 AM  
Dopes and Changes? Weak.

Quick Obamaniacs, rationalize this. Difficulty: No mention of W.
 
2012-03-23 10:25:46 AM  
From the farking article:

Until now, the National Counterterrorism Center had to immediately destroy information about Americans that was already stored in other government databases when there were no clear ties to terrorism.

So, now government agency A will be able to keep records that government agency B also kept already. Whoopie-farking-do.
 
2012-03-23 10:26:21 AM  
Secret Service jurisdiction was extended to investigate computer fraud, access device frauds, false identification documents or devices, or any fraudulent activities against U.S. financial institutions. The General Education Provisions Act was amended to allow the U.S. Attorney General or Assistant Attorney General to collect and retain educational records relevant to an authorized investigation or prosecution of an offense that is defined as a Federal crime of terrorism and which an educational agency or institution possesses. The Attorney General or Assistant Attorney General must "certify that there are specific and articulable facts giving reason to believe that the education records are likely to contain information [that a Federal crime of terrorism may be being committed]." An education institution that produces education records in response to such a request is given legal immunity from any liability that rises from such a production of records.

RE: USA Patriot Act signed into law on Oct. 26, 2001 by George W Bush
 
2012-03-23 10:26:37 AM  
Hey, if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about. That's what I say.
 
2012-03-23 10:27:01 AM  
Link (new window)
 
2012-03-23 10:27:42 AM  
Welcome to the seven headed dragon boys and girls.
 
2012-03-23 10:28:33 AM  
You can put Obama in the headline for the boogey booogey booo factor, but this will never go away. The next Republican president will continue to do the same thing. Every president from now will do this. Welcome to the New American Century.
 
2012-03-23 10:28:35 AM  
Clowns to the left of me.
Jokers the right.


Here am I, just drinking whiskey to drown the tears away in a drunken stupor.
 
2012-03-23 10:29:53 AM  
img.gawkerassets.com

/burning hot
 
2012-03-23 10:30:34 AM  

Sir Vanderhoot: I don't think you'll see a true liberal, left-wing president until this generation literally dies.


On NPR today they were interviewing someone who was talking about supporting Gingrich for the primary and how he was going to try to get all his friends to support him. He sounded like he was probably in his early 20s...
 
2012-03-23 10:30:37 AM  

Cletus C.: Dopes and Changes? Weak.

Quick Obamaniacs, rationalize this. Difficulty: No mention of W.


One leads directly to the other. It was you bedwetting pansies who are piss scared of terrorists that started us on this path.
 
2012-03-23 10:31:09 AM  

busy chillin': You can put Obama in the headline for the boogey booogey booo factor, but this will never go away. The next Republican president will continue to do the same thing. Every president from now will do this. Welcome to the New American Century.


Some future mystery Republican president did the same thing so B-Rack is still cool. I'm buying that.
 
2012-03-23 10:31:10 AM  

Cletus C.: Quick Obamaniacs, rationalize this.


Why rationalize? Many on the left have been saying Obama has been a huge disappointment in this area.
 
2012-03-23 10:31:12 AM  

Geotpf: So, now government agency A will be able to keep records that government agency B also kept already. Whoopie-farking-do.


That was my take on it, too. Hasn't the FBI been keeping files on non-terrorists for something like half a century?
 
2012-03-23 10:31:59 AM  

Cletus C.: Dopes and Changes? Weak.

Quick Obamaniacs, rationalize this. Difficulty: No mention of W.


I'll be interested to see anyone rationalize this. Dems won't like it and Reps will never admit to agreeing with Obama on anything, assuming anyone on that side likes it.
 
2012-03-23 10:32:12 AM  
i.imgur.com

Dissident identified in Sector 1 and Sector 7.
 
2012-03-23 10:33:26 AM  
I love how y'all forget this starts with the Patriot Act

Really, I love it.


/not sure who y'all is anymore
 
2012-03-23 10:33:28 AM  
I seem to recall the response from the Right when AT&T was allowed to spy on non-terrorist Amreicans was, "Meh, if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about."
 
2012-03-23 10:33:54 AM  

Jake Havechek: Cletus C.: Dopes and Changes? Weak.

Quick Obamaniacs, rationalize this. Difficulty: No mention of W.

One leads directly to the other. It was you bedwetting pansies who are piss scared of terrorists that started us on this path.


If only a president could chart his or her own path. Dare to dream,
 
2012-03-23 10:34:20 AM  

Cletus C.: busy chillin': You can put Obama in the headline for the boogey booogey booo factor, but this will never go away. The next Republican president will continue to do the same thing. Every president from now will do this. Welcome to the New American Century.

Some future mystery Republican president did the same thing so B-Rack is still cool. I'm buying that.


I think the point is even the most liberalist socalizms president ever!!!! is even pulling this shiat and trampling on the idea of privacy with creepy government programs so there's no hope.
 
2012-03-23 10:34:56 AM  

soy_bomb: [img.gawkerassets.com image 300x372]

/burning hot


That's a pretty awful likeness of Obama.
 
2012-03-23 10:34:58 AM  
I don't like it either, but we warned you chumps about actions like this after 9/11. You didn't care then, so fark you all. You were more than happy to give your freedom away, then.

If you didn't see this coming back then, you had your head up your farking stupid ass.
 
2012-03-23 10:35:26 AM  

Jake Havechek: Cletus C.: Dopes and Changes? Weak.

Quick Obamaniacs, rationalize this. Difficulty: No mention of W.

One leads directly to the other. It was you bedwetting pansies who are piss scared of terrorists that started us on this path.


House
357 (Y) to 56 (N)

Senate
98(Y) to 1 (N)
 
2012-03-23 10:35:39 AM  

Cletus C.: Dopes and Changes? Weak.

Quick Obamaniacs, rationalize this. Difficulty: No mention of W.


How about you give me a Republican option for President who will repeal these laws?
Difficulty: No replacing it with even broader attacks on privacy.
 
2012-03-23 10:36:12 AM  

Sir Vanderhoot: It's especially frustrating knowing just how much momentum federal programs have and how hard it is to un-do them. It takes a good amount to get them set up, but it requires a herculean effort to get them disbanded.



If the program is kept, Democrats are expanding government to take over our lives. When the program is gutted, OMG, Democrats are job destroyers!!
 
2012-03-23 10:36:43 AM  
Wow, between the Obama admin continuing all the surveillance programs of the Bush admin, and the Republicans holding court in my uterus, the 2012 elections are going to be very depressing indeed.
 
2012-03-23 10:36:50 AM  

Raharu: Once started down this road Subby, did you expect anyone to give up this power, and not try to expand it?


I can't recall a time, in modern history, when expansion wasn't embarked upon. The job of a new president is the retain the powers former presidents grabbed. I still can't forgive the torture pass.
 
2012-03-23 10:37:02 AM  
Once you give executives power like this, it is very hard to get them to give it up.

Again, you were warned, you did not care, you were too busy calling people like me un-American traitors.
 
2012-03-23 10:37:18 AM  

Cndn Bacon: soy_bomb: [img.gawkerassets.com image 300x372]

/burning hot

That's a pretty awful likeness of Obama.


I agree, I thought it looks more like Robert Guillaume during his Benson years.
 
2012-03-23 10:37:46 AM  
i629.photobucket.com

DOPES AND CHANGES DOPES AND CHANGES DOPES AND CHANGES
 
2012-03-23 10:38:27 AM  

Fart_Machine: Cletus C.: Quick Obamaniacs, rationalize this.

Why rationalize? Many on the left have been saying Obama has been a huge disappointment in this area.


Yep. There's not a chance in hell that I would vote for a Republican right now, and I think that's what Obama's banking on here. He knows this police-state stuff is eminently unpopular with his voter base, but he's still light years ahead of the woman-hating gay-bashers who they weren't going to vote for anyway.

He's still a democratic president, so this is still an area he's going to tread very lightly around. He wants some people to look at him and say, "Oh, he's not so bad on national security."
 
2012-03-23 10:39:32 AM  

soy_bomb: [img.gawkerassets.com image 300x372]

/burning hot


I suppose Obama's holding a burning Constitution because Bush had already burned up the Bill of Rights.

Right?
 
2012-03-23 10:39:53 AM  

LarryDan43: Cletus C.: Dopes and Changes? Weak.

Quick Obamaniacs, rationalize this. Difficulty: No mention of W.

How about you give me a Republican option for President who will repeal these laws?
Difficulty: No replacing it with even broader attacks on privacy.


Then I guess it's OK.
 
2012-03-23 10:41:16 AM  

Cletus C.: Dopes and Changes? Weak.

Quick Obamaniacs, rationalize this. Difficulty: No mention of W.


Obama's being an idiot.

There, happy?

Just because I like Obama as a president, doesn't mean I agree with him on every issue. Frankly, I disagree vehemently with his views on presidential and national security powers, namely that he means to expand them.

You see, us "liberals," are willing to admit that our leaders have faults. Something I find many conservatives have a hard time doing with their own leaders.
 
2012-03-23 10:41:19 AM  
Oooooh, mistah Bush, pweeze pwotect us fwom the scawy scawy tewwowists!
 
2012-03-23 10:43:38 AM  
Wow, you guys will panic and complain over anything. Let me repeat the post I made previously, this time using bold and large text so more people will actually notice it:

From the farking article:

Until now, the National Counterterrorism Center had to immediately destroy information about Americans that was already stored in other government databases when there were no clear ties to terrorism.

So, now government agency A will be able to keep records that government agency B also kept already. Whoopie-farking-do.
 
2012-03-23 10:43:41 AM  

heinekenftw: Cletus C.: Dopes and Changes? Weak.

Quick Obamaniacs, rationalize this. Difficulty: No mention of W.

Obama's being an idiot.

There, happy?

Just because I like Obama as a president, doesn't mean I agree with him on every issue. Frankly, I disagree vehemently with his views on presidential and national security powers, namely that he means to expand them.

You see, us "liberals," are willing to admit that our leaders have faults. Something I find many conservatives have a hard time doing with their own leaders.


Do you know whats wrong with both of ye?

You refuse to consider anyone else outside your party. Vote 3rd party FFS

/Proud donor to Gary Johnson campaign
 
2012-03-23 10:43:49 AM  
Sure, they can keep the data around, but it's still unconstitutional to collect it... right? ...right?
 
2012-03-23 10:44:30 AM  

Cletus C.: Jake Havechek: Cletus C.: Dopes and Changes? Weak.

Quick Obamaniacs, rationalize this. Difficulty: No mention of W.

One leads directly to the other. It was you bedwetting pansies who are piss scared of terrorists that started us on this path.

If only a president could chart his or her own path. Dare to dream,



Is this the "Obama isn't doing enough to keep us from destroying the country" defense the Republican Congressmen like to use so often?
 
2012-03-23 10:45:02 AM  
Vote 3rd party FFS

Yeah, you go do that sparky.
 
2012-03-23 10:45:49 AM  

Geotpf: Wow, you guys will panic and complain over anything. Let me repeat the post I made previously, this time using bold and large text so more people will actually notice it:

From the farking article:

Until now, the National Counterterrorism Center had to immediately destroy information about Americans that was already stored in other government databases when there were no clear ties to terrorism.

So, now government agency A will be able to keep records that government agency B also kept already. Whoopie-farking-do.


There is a reason why the CIA cannot conduct operations on US soil. When you learn why, come back to your statement and read it again.
 
2012-03-23 10:45:56 AM  

Cndn Bacon: soy_bomb: [img.gawkerassets.com image 300x372]

/burning hot

That's a pretty awful likeness of Obama.



I thought it was supposed to be Bush.
 
2012-03-23 10:47:07 AM  

cman: Geotpf: Wow, you guys will panic and complain over anything. Let me repeat the post I made previously, this time using bold and large text so more people will actually notice it:

From the farking article:

Until now, the National Counterterrorism Center had to immediately destroy information about Americans that was already stored in other government databases when there were no clear ties to terrorism.

So, now government agency A will be able to keep records that government agency B also kept already. Whoopie-farking-do.

There is a reason why the CIA cannot conduct operations on US soil. When you learn why, come back to your statement and read it again.


Sorry, should have elaborated.

Yes I know they are different Governmental organizations, but after you see why the CIA cannot conduct operations in the US you will understand why this is a bad idea.
 
2012-03-23 10:47:27 AM  
When the Patriot Act was signed, what did everyone think would happen? Did they think, "One day everything will be safe again and we can repeal it?". I hope not. Because, people that stupid are still allowed to drive and handle firearms...
 
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