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2012-03-23 04:30:34 AM  

Confabulat: Ok, so let's just close up the Port of New Orleans as you suggest


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2012-03-23 04:32:22 AM  

bunner: Confabulat: Ok, so let's just close up the Port of New Orleans as you suggest

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and no one ever ate bananas again.
 
2012-03-23 04:33:50 AM  

bunner: bgflores: You'd last about a day in New Orleans.

Anybody who brags about what a rough, violent and difficult pace to live their city is has not only lost the plot, they're part of the problem.


As a Detroit native, who got the fark out asap...fantastic point.
 
2012-03-23 04:35:06 AM  

bunner: Confabulat: Ok, so let's just close up the Port of New Orleans as you suggest

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How am I strawmanning? You argue we need to abandon New Orleans to the swamps, because that makes more economic sense than trying to keep it together. I'm arguing the very obvious point otherwise.

So what am I strawmanning?
 
2012-03-23 04:41:20 AM  

Confabulat: bunner: Confabulat: Ok, so let's just close up the Port of New Orleans as you suggest

[transitionculture.org image 333x500]

How am I strawmanning? You argue we need to abandon New Orleans to the swamps, because that makes more economic sense than trying to keep it together. I'm arguing the very obvious point otherwise.

So what am I strawmanning?


I didn't say it should be abandoned, I said it was inevitable that it would become infeasible economically not to, eventually.

So lemme take page from your book.

Since the boats that dock in New Orleans are the source of all commerce, nourishment, manufactured products and, surely, when the Lord returns, it will be to New Orleans because it is the center of the universe and as such, we must save it no mater what, despite it being a bog in a cereal bowl, what do YOU suggest?
 
2012-03-23 04:42:00 AM  

bunner: Confabulat: bunner: I'll miss them but I can't see a reason on earth to piss one more nickel of our precious debt notes into the swamps they are destined to become.

You do realize the entire existence of New Orleans is because of its geographic location at the mouth of the Mississippi River, one of the most important ports in the USA. That is not going to change anytime soon.

You think we can afford to let a swamp sit at the mouth of our most important Eastern port? Really? You think that will happen or is wise?

What I think is that as shipping and exporting become a waning industry, that it will be less and less economically viable to keep pushing against the inevitable tide of nature and physics reclaiming New Orleans. I'm not happy about it, I don't wish it and frankly, it's still on my list of places I've yet to visit and I'd like to. So is Venice. Another lovely folly that is slowly returning to the sea. A woman I used to be engaged to was the daughter of a very successful Harvard educated attorney. He had a summer home built in VT for the family. Upon his arrival, he noted that they had built it outside of the surveyed boundaries and he said "Lovely. Now take it back down and put it here." Maybe its time to move New Orleans. All I know is that trying to build a city at the bottom of a bowl so far has been an endless series of easily foreseen and avoidable arguments with he physical properties of water and it's well past it's diminishing returns.


The ports of South Louisiana, New Orleans and Baton Rouge are among the busiest in the world. The Port of New Orleans is the only deepwater port served by six Class I railroads (and, if I'm not mistaken, there are only eight in the US). All that cheap sh*t you buy at Wal-Mart? All those out of season bananas you buy in the dead of winter? Where do you think those come from? Somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of all exported corn, soy & wheat goes through these ports. Rubber? Steel? Coffee? A lot of that comes through 1 of the 3 Louisiana ports.

The Lower Ninth Ward should have been bulldozed, and all the people who lived there relocated somewhere in the city that was higher above sea level. But that didn't happen because politicians don't make any difficult decisions anymore, and govern according to survey data and their approval ratings. Show me a politician who's unafraid to make the difficult and/or unpopular decisions, and I'll show you one likely headed out of office or to jail.

Katrina wasn't a natural disaster; it was a man-made catastrophe. Let's thank the Army Corps of Engineers for the twin failures of their levee system and the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet. I'm just thankful that the storm weakened from its max strength before it hit the city. Had it hit the city at full strength, I don't think there'd be a city to rebuild, and I think the death toll would have been much higher than 1800.
 
2012-03-23 04:42:42 AM  
That is how you write an article. I want to hug it for restoring some sliver of hope in me for today's journalism.
 
2012-03-23 04:44:26 AM  

bunner: Confabulat: bunner: Confabulat: Ok, so let's just close up the Port of New Orleans as you suggest

[transitionculture.org image 333x500]

How am I strawmanning? You argue we need to abandon New Orleans to the swamps, because that makes more economic sense than trying to keep it together. I'm arguing the very obvious point otherwise.

So what am I strawmanning?

I didn't say it should be abandoned, I said it was inevitable that it would become infeasible economically not to, eventually.

So lemme take page from your book.

Since the boats that dock in New Orleans are the source of all commerce, nourishment, manufactured products and, surely, when the Lord returns, it will be to New Orleans because it is the center of the universe and as such, we must save it no mater what, despite it being a bog in a cereal bowl, what do YOU suggest?


Well it's sad you've had to turn to hyperbole. I'm guessing you never really thought about shipping.

Point is, NOLA is fine. There may be another Katrina in our lifetimes, but most likely not. Perhaps in a few centuries it will sink, but you and I will be dead then, and future people will perhaps have invented something better than boats to move our good around.

Again, I'd ask you to visit. You sound like your knowledge of Louisiana comes from Google Maps.
 
2012-03-23 04:45:46 AM  

bunner: Confabulat: bunner: Confabulat: Ok, so let's just close up the Port of New Orleans as you suggest

[transitionculture.org image 333x500]

How am I strawmanning? You argue we need to abandon New Orleans to the swamps, because that makes more economic sense than trying to keep it together. I'm arguing the very obvious point otherwise.

So what am I strawmanning?

I didn't say it should be abandoned, I said it was inevitable that it would become infeasible economically not to, eventually.

So lemme take page from your book.

Since the boats that dock in New Orleans are the source of all commerce, nourishment, manufactured products and, surely, when the Lord returns, it will be to New Orleans because it is the center of the universe and as such, we must save it no mater what, despite it being a bog in a cereal bowl, what do YOU suggest?


And, eventually, the oceans will rise, and the stars will begin to dim in the sky, continents will shift, and our own sun will expand to the point where it will likely consume all the inner planets. Inevitability is not an argument.
 
2012-03-23 04:46:07 AM  
I'm stunned. This is an amazing part of your history. It's colorful, both in architect and ethnicity. Further the history behind it rocks.

That aside it is your farking country. You care for your own. Is it always us against them? What the fark is wrong with you?
 
2012-03-23 04:46:29 AM  

bgflores: All that cheap sh*t you buy at Wal-Mart? A lot of that comes through 1 of the 3 Louisiana ports


A sketchy recommendation, but I get your drift. Are the ports in danger, too? How about a nice rice paddy in the ninth ward? All I know is nature plays longball and shorting it is a fool's game.
 
2012-03-23 04:47:56 AM  

sleeps in trees: I'm stunned. This is an amazing part of your history. It's colorful, both in architect and ethnicity. Further the history behind it rocks.

That aside it is your farking country. You care for your own. Is it always us against them? What the fark is wrong with you?


Welcome to Fark America
 
2012-03-23 04:48:26 AM  

Confabulat: Well it's sad you've had to turn to hyperbole.


It's called light humor and if the best you can do is start a "MY TOWN IS TEH COOL!" pissing match, you've already lost your position because you haven't one. Ease up, big guy. If I wanted smarmy, I'd vote for Newt Gingrich.
 
2012-03-23 04:49:18 AM  

bunner: bgflores: All that cheap sh*t you buy at Wal-Mart? A lot of that comes through 1 of the 3 Louisiana ports

A sketchy recommendation, but I get your drift. Are the ports in danger, too? How about a nice rice paddy in the ninth ward? All I know is nature plays longball and shorting it is a fool's game.


Are you seriously asking "are the ports in danger too?"

Dude, you really have no idea about how the world works, do you.
 
2012-03-23 04:49:59 AM  

bunner: Confabulat: Well it's sad you've had to turn to hyperbole.

It's called light humor and if the best you can do is start a "MY TOWN IS TEH COOL!" pissing match, you've already lost your position because you haven't one. Ease up, big guy. If I wanted smarmy, I'd vote for Newt Gingrich.


I don't live in New Orleans. I'm just not an idiot who doesn't understand basics about shipping in the USA.
 
2012-03-23 04:51:46 AM  

Confabulat: Again, I'd ask you to visit. You sound like your knowledge of Louisiana comes from Google Maps.


You sound like somebody who comes here to make snotty remarks. But since that's never been done, I'm terribly fascinated. : ) Is everybody there as polite as you?
 
2012-03-23 04:53:24 AM  

bunner: bgflores: All that cheap sh*t you buy at Wal-Mart? A lot of that comes through 1 of the 3 Louisiana ports

A sketchy recommendation, but I get your drift. Are the ports in danger, too? How about a nice rice paddy in the ninth ward? All I know is nature plays longball and shorting it is a fool's game.


New Orleans has been around since 1718. I'm sure it'll last a few more years. Hurricanes are a fact of life along the Gulf Coast, just as earthquakes are a reality in California and tornados are a bane to the Midwest and trailer parks everywhere.

Man's been playing the shortball for roughly 50 thousand of the Earth's 4.6 billion years. As our friend Chuck Palahniuk wrote, "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero".
 
2012-03-23 04:53:26 AM  

bunner: Confabulat: Again, I'd ask you to visit. You sound like your knowledge of Louisiana comes from Google Maps.

You sound like somebody who comes here to make snotty remarks. But since that's never been done, I'm terribly fascinated. : ) Is everybody there as polite as you?


Hmm, now comes the strawman. So, back on topic, tell me more about how your expected waning exporting affect your opinions about New Orleans. You mentioned that earlier. I'm really interested to hear more about this topic from you.
 
2012-03-23 04:53:48 AM  

Confabulat: I don't live in New Orleans. I'm just not an idiot


Well, I'd agree you're batting .,500. I've seen this movie, ship boy. Have fun blowing sh*t into the intertubez.
 
2012-03-23 04:55:31 AM  

bunner: Confabulat: I don't live in New Orleans. I'm just not an idiot

Well, I'd agree you're batting .,500. I've seen this movie, ship boy. Have fun blowing sh*t into the intertubez.


Ha, I just want to hear more of your opinions about how shipping works in the USA, speaking of blowing shiat into tubes.
 
2012-03-23 04:56:01 AM  

fireside68: We don't need you. You need us. THAT'S why people give a shiat.


a little more than half of the US export grain crop passes through the port of New Orleans. An assload of oil comes into the US through the gulf, which means the port of New Orleans. We need them too. Plus, there is my basic tendancy to minimize avoidable suffering.
 
2012-03-23 04:57:08 AM  

bgflores: Inevitability is not an argument.


Unless of course you're playing Sisyphus with a checkbook and got bills to pay.
 
2012-03-23 04:58:00 AM  

bgflores: Man's been playing the shortball for roughly 50 thousand of the Earth's 4.6 billion years. As our friend Chuck Palahniuk wrote, "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero".


or as the great economist Keynes said in 1917 "in the long run we are all dead". Wouldn't have taken Palahniuk for a kensian.
 
2012-03-23 05:00:19 AM  

bunner: bgflores: Inevitability is not an argument.

Unless of course you're playing Sisyphus with a checkbook and got bills to pay.


So who's paying for your new imaginary port somewhere safe? Be specific. You seem to know lots more about this than people who actually do.
 
2012-03-23 05:00:59 AM  
I mean, what's a port? Like 3 docks and a marina, right?
 
2012-03-23 05:01:14 AM  
I can't tell the difference between the before and after. It looks like the same craphole I grew up around. It's a city that never loved itself, the people that live there don't love it. The only people who love it are those drunk idiots you see in the quarter yelling "show your tits" from the balconies in mid Oct.

Just blow up the Old River Control Structure, let the Mississippi take over the Atchafalaya and put the finial nail in the coffin.
 
2012-03-23 05:07:24 AM  

Confabulat: I mean, what's a port? Like 3 docks and a marina, right?


actually, this is a port

www.wineenthusiast.com
 
2012-03-23 05:08:01 AM  

violentsalvation: 8 pages. Give me a f*cking break.


yeah i bet yer mouth gets all sore trying to read that much.
 
2012-03-23 05:08:37 AM  

Penny_Ante: Sharp contrast to Japan's reaction to worse...


apples, oranges. go to Japan, you have mostly Japanese. here you have everyone from everywhere, with their likes, dislikes and baggage. it's a pressure cooker and people can't get along.
we do have other smaller disaster areas that get cleaned up, rebuilt and back on track, year after year.
 
2012-03-23 05:13:09 AM  

NowhereMon: Wow, are people attention spans that short these days? That took me less than ten minutes to read REALLY STUPID IN GENERAL?.


yeah they are. these "stupid experts" are used to soundbytes and enjoy television as opposed to the written word..

reading is fun.
 
2012-03-23 05:24:53 AM  
Like the song says, You have to know when to hold them and know when to fold them.

Let nature reclaim the 9th ward and be done with it.

Give $$$$$$$ to the people that have rebuilt/not left and move on.
 
2012-03-23 06:16:45 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: [dubsism.files.wordpress.com image 328x440]

/sorry, didn't click the link


That was the only PB I actually bought the day it came out. A few years later I met her in a bar in Santa Monica, my god what an amazing woman.
 
2012-03-23 06:17:32 AM  
Ok, so let's just close up the Port of New Orleans as you suggest. What do you say?

The shipping port can be there. But why would any sane human want to live below sea level where there is the extreme threat of flooding? I also wouldn't want to live in a flood plain, like the Red River Valley.
 
2012-03-23 06:21:35 AM  

unyon: Good article, worth the read.

It surprises me that land that is so amazingly fertile hasn't seen any agricultural use, even temporarily. They would be doing the community a greater service by knocking down and clearing derelict houses and foundations, so at least that's a possibility.

It also surprises me that overgrowth control via herbicide hasn't happened.


If community service were the issue, then wouldn't that result in the flattening of the entire city of New Orleans?

Let's face it, that place was a derelict shiat-hole that should have been razed even BEFORE Katrina. To blame this all on Katrina is a stretch.
 
2012-03-23 06:22:42 AM  

bunner: If I wanted smarmy, I'd vote for Newt Gingrich.


You already talk like him with all the pseudo-intellectual adjectives.
 
2012-03-23 06:23:58 AM  

violentsalvation: 8 pages. Give me a f*cking break.


files.dixielandgumbo.com
 
2012-03-23 06:34:01 AM  
The kid getting on the bus is a scam. The bus driver stops there every day to pick up the same kid.

Happens everywhere and anywhere tourists go. You aren't helping them out of poverty, you're enabling the scammers to keep scamming.
 
2012-03-23 06:37:00 AM  

Confabulat: So, tell me why clicking your left mouse button upsets you so much. Clearly this is a very traumatic thing for you. Explain in detail, your fury and obvious preference to ignore quality journalism because it requires your index finger to move a fraction of an inch.


I find their blatant click farming offensive. The only reason to have anything span multiple pages is to artificially inflate metrics while (trying) to force me to view more ads. I find the entire thing offensive and I refuse to click past the first page of any news article.

If I know it's a slide show, I don't even open the link. If I open a link and find a slideshow, I close the tab. The reason I take such a hard stance against this stuff is simple: If I don't take a personal stand against it, I can't ever expect the web sites to change. So I don't play into their click farming schemes and I try and be a bit vocal about it to encourage other people to act similarly.

/BTW, your strawman argument was weak.
 
2012-03-23 06:39:39 AM  

REO-Weedwagon: bunner: If I wanted smarmy, I'd vote for Newt Gingrich.

You already talk like him with all the pseudo-intellectual adjectives.


Yeahhhhh whatever.
 
2012-03-23 06:45:38 AM  
Perhaps what is needed is some kind of combi volunteer-tourist deal. I would go to NoLa for a week on my own ticket, work five days and explore the famous parts for two...
 
2012-03-23 06:49:01 AM  
Best line of the article: "Seventeen expletives have been edited out of the following paragraph."
 
2012-03-23 06:49:51 AM  

Agarista: Perhaps what is needed is some kind of combi volunteer-tourist deal. I would go to NoLa for a week on my own ticket, work five days and explore the famous parts for two...


Dude, what are you, a non-lazy American?! You can GTFO. A true American would offer to "work" two days in exchange for five days of vacation. And they'd half-ass the work.

/Stop making the rest of us look bad!
 
2012-03-23 06:54:30 AM  
In other news, people still live in New Orleans.
 
2012-03-23 06:54:33 AM  
Good to see the usual trolls and NOLA-haters out in force tonight. It's pretty funny, once you tag them.
 
2012-03-23 07:02:37 AM  

unyon: Good article, worth the read.

It surprises me that land that is so amazingly fertile hasn't seen any agricultural use, even temporarily. They would be doing the community a greater service by knocking down and clearing derelict houses and foundations, so at least that's a possibility.

It also surprises me that overgrowth control via herbicide hasn't happened.


I don't mean to be an asshole, and I don't necessarily disagree with you, but who exactly is "they" in this case? And who would pay for these projects?
 
2012-03-23 07:09:45 AM  

Honest Bender:

I find their blatant click farming offensive. The only reason to have anything span multiple pages is to artificially inflate metrics while (trying) to force me to view more ads. I find the entire thing offensive and I refuse to click past the first page of any news article.

If I know it's a slide show, I don't even open the link. If I open a link and find a slideshow, I close the tab. The reason I take such a hard stance against this stuff is simple: If I don't take a personal stand against it, I can't ever expect the web sites to change. So I don't play into their click farming schemes and I try and be a bit vocal about it to encourage other people to act similarly.
don't want to "pay" for anything, in any way.

 
2012-03-23 07:16:30 AM  
YOU LIVE IN THE FARKING OCEAN!
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MOVE TO WHERE THE FARKING LAND IS!
AAOOOOOOOOH
 
2012-03-23 07:19:04 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: W...T....F:


Yeah, scuttle those wealthy, mostly white tourists back to their comfy hotel in the quarter, then probably run them in to the Hard Rock for a "real New Orleans vibe!". God forbid they actually see a real person who is still trying to survive in the L9 - they might have to stop taking pictures and actually think critically for a damn minute.

Sure, maybe the kid just wanted money to buy a video game. But chances are, he was looking for money to buy some damn food or clothing, or since there's barely any stores in the area now, likely for bus fare to get to the store at all. The least they could have done was buy a damn praline from him.

As a NOLA native, maybe I'm being bitter. Well, yeah, I am, at least a little. Look, I know the tours = payc ...


Dude! Katrina happened in 20FARKING05 and we're still getting hit over the head about poor, poor, pitiful NOLA? What is the cap on how much money we have to "give" to NOLA? Two hundred million? A hundred million billion?

There is nothing sacred about the 9th Ward - shiate happens; hurricanes happen. I bet fifteen cents that if a hurricane took out Overtown in Miami, it would be rebuilt with half the butthurt whining experienced in LA.

/(shakes tiny fist) This is why we can't have nice things!
//And get offa my lawn!
 
2012-03-23 07:22:23 AM  

Bunnyhat: I have a hard time feeling sorry for the people who insist on moving back to the areas like the lower 9th ward.
There is no reason for it.
It's pure stubbornness

They are cutting grass, for what? To make areas that should be reverting back to nature since New Orleans no longer needs to the space look neat? It's pure madness.
Move everyone out of these depleted communities, and let nature run it's course.

The city of New Orleans doesn't need to be the size it is.
It's not anti-poor people to suggest that the entire city and state shouldn't be subsidizing their desire to live in areas that shouldn't have been habitable land in the first place.


Yes Holland, go to hell you unusable land users.
 
2012-03-23 07:22:37 AM  

Spanky McStupid: Grand_Moff_Joseph: W...T....F:


Yeah, scuttle those wealthy, mostly white tourists back to their comfy hotel in the quarter, then probably run them in to the Hard Rock for a "real New Orleans vibe!". God forbid they actually see a real person who is still trying to survive in the L9 - they might have to stop taking pictures and actually think critically for a damn minute.

Sure, maybe the kid just wanted money to buy a video game. But chances are, he was looking for money to buy some damn food or clothing, or since there's barely any stores in the area now, likely for bus fare to get to the store at all. The least they could have done was buy a damn praline from him.

As a NOLA native, maybe I'm being bitter. Well, yeah, I am, at least a little. Look, I know the tours = payc ...

Dude! Katrina happened in 20FARKING05 and we're still getting hit over the head about poor, poor, pitiful NOLA? What is the cap on how much money we have to "give" to NOLA? Two hundred million? A hundred million billion?

There is nothing sacred about the 9th Ward - shiate happens; hurricanes happen. I bet fifteen cents that if a hurricane took out Overtown in Miami, it would be rebuilt with half the butthurt whining experienced in LA.

/(shakes tiny fist) This is why we can't have nice things!
//And get offa my lawn!


Would we want Overtown rebuilt? It already looks like a warzone in some spots.
 
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