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2012-03-22 10:25:51 PM

James F. Campbell: So, is it fashionable for "reasonable people" to throw away the concept of due process? I suppose they think it's outdated.

Yes. Look. Look at how reasonable you are.


SHUT UP! SCAAARY TEABAGGERS! SCAAARY REPUBLICANS! DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT KEEPING CORPORATISTS OUT OF POWER? THEN YOU BETTER VOTE OBAMA, YOU CRAZY COMMUNIST!
 
2012-03-22 10:26:26 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: No, Obama and the Dems haven't done "some of those things." That's an excuse. Obama's job is to deliver a left leaning constituent base to Wall Street. That is what the national Democratic Party's job is.


Ahh. And there we have it. You gave up the game way to easy, you silly little boy.
 
2012-03-22 10:26:57 PM

thamike: I think Obama will beat any one of them in a landslide. Romney is hardly the wishy-washy middle-of-who knows which road candidate he used to be. Now he's just chum.


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B-b-b-b-but, I'm WHITE!

Seriously, can you FIND a more stereotypical rich white guy?
 
2012-03-22 10:27:25 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Plus, why shouldn't the goddamned Democrats be punished for not doing their farking job?

Oh, and their 'farking job' right now is trying to advance women's rights, advance gay rights, improve health care, improve the economy, and avoid another 9/11 all the while the Republicans are throwing the biggest tantrum this nation has seen in one hundred and fifty years. At least that's how I see it, but I tend to see things a little differently.

Yes, and only the Democrats can do those things. We have to accept Clintonite Democrats because they're the only political organization which is concerned about saving those things. Don't bring up the fact Clinton was just as much of a deregulating maniac as Bush, because if you bring it up Those Scary Republicans might get into power.

Obama and the Dems have done some of those things. You can stay home and make sure all of the hard fought battles end up retconned instead of Obama continuing to strive for those things. Up to you.

No, Obama and the Dems haven't done "some of those things." That's an excuse. Obama's job is to deliver a left leaning constituent base to Wall Street. That is what the national Democratic Party's job is.


They haven't? We still have the same health insurance system we did when he was elected? Frank-Dodd never happened? We never got out of Iraq? DADT is still the law of the land? The START treaty didn't happen? Medicare has been eviscerated by the right? Osama is alive? Khaddafi is leading Libya?

/I have more...
 
2012-03-22 10:28:24 PM

Party Boy:

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That is so f*cking cool. I love it.
 
2012-03-22 10:28:46 PM

James F. Campbell: So, is it fashionable for "reasonable people" to throw away the concept of due process? I suppose they think it's outdated.

Yes. Look. Look at how reasonable you are.


Ya know, thamike isn't one of those that would throw away the concept of due process so I am not sure what you are saying.
 
2012-03-22 10:29:41 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: James F. Campbell: So, is it fashionable for "reasonable people" to throw away the concept of due process? I suppose they think it's outdated.

Yes. Look. Look at how reasonable you are.

SHUT UP! SCAAARY TEABAGGERS! SCAAARY REPUBLICANS! DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT KEEPING CORPORATISTS OUT OF POWER? THEN YOU BETTER VOTE OBAMA, YOU CRAZY COMMUNIST!


Huh, you are a fan of teabaggers. I didn't know that.
 
2012-03-22 10:30:53 PM

Heron: It's funny, you guys use a bunch of alleged IM convos where he supposedly explains releasing this info because he can't stand to know his fellow citizens are being misled about the war to justify throwing him in solitary confinement for a year, deny him access to a lawyer, humiliate him with public nudity, and torment him with uncomfortable conditions, and then, when faced with that, you switch to this story about his mental and social problems to explain his alleged actions. Which is it? Are the IMs reliable or aren't they?

And frankly, regardless of who released that info, or why they did it, I'm glad they did. Unlike you I don't think my government murdering innocent people and lying to me about what their asking my loved ones to do overseas is something worth defending, let alone cheering. Nor do I think the legal travesty that has been Manning's treatment is something to be cynically mocked so that I can keep deluding myself about the nature of how our government behaves.


lulz. You literally ignored every single thing I wrote. You didn't address any of them. That is amazing! Those goal posts, heavy sport?

Poor Brad had no farking clue what was on those diplomatic cables, his apologist's after the fact justification is pathetic. Prove he knew what was on the cables or shut the fark up.

He gave that stuff to world class attention whore Julian Assange who edited the video and called it collateral murder.

Poor Brad had no idea what he was releasing, and to call that social conscience is a joke.

You like jokes, joker? I guess, go read your Shepard's nonsense, baa baaa....
 
2012-03-22 10:32:14 PM

James F. Campbell: Biological Ali: I have a problem with you not knowing what "executed" means.

You're right -- most U.S. citizens at least get a trial before they're executed.


All of them, I reckon... in recent history, anyway. I'd be surprised if there's a single example within the last half-century or so anybody, citizen or otherwise, being executed by the US without being afforded the full trial/appeals process.
 
2012-03-22 10:32:26 PM

Sabyen91: They haven't? We still have the same health insurance system we did when he was elected? Frank-Dodd never happened? We never got out of Iraq? DADT is still the law of the land? The START treaty didn't happen? Medicare has been eviscerated by the right? Osama is alive? Khaddafi is leading Libya?

/I have more...


Why do so many Republicans like to argue that Dems shouldn't be supporting Obama because of all the things he hasn't accomplished? It's like telling a neocon war-hawk in 2004 they shouldn't support Bush because he hadn't declared Roe v. Wade null and void by executive order in his first term.
 
2012-03-22 10:32:28 PM

xria: Surely this is obvious - the media is the only weapon essential for terrorism to work, and they quickly worked out that actual serious terrorist threats are not actually that essential to interfere with the process.


ftfy.

Cheers.
 
2012-03-22 10:33:06 PM

heap: Party Boy: heap: Party Boy: heap: i forget - why am i supposed to hate greenwald again?

Something about gay and librul . Also Soros.

i think i'm gonna go ahead and go with union thugs, because really...they don't get enough love.

You mean unionized pipe fitting leather bears?

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.......go on.

 
2012-03-22 10:33:24 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: SHUT UP! SCAAARY TEABAGGERS! SCAAARY REPUBLICANS! DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT KEEPING CORPORATISTS OUT OF POWER? THEN YOU BETTER VOTE OBAMA, YOU CRAZY COMMUNIST!


Quiet, farktard. Some of us understand nuance. There are legitimate criticisms against Obama insofar, and Greenwald correctly raises and explains a number of them. Just because, however, I agree with these criticisms, doesn't mean I'm going to vote Republican.

Just because morons like you say "both sides are bad so vote Republican" doesn't mean it's actually true:
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Yes, it's a problem that there are some "liberals" who seem more interested in blindly supporting Obama than acknowledging his mistakes, but more than that, I'm tired of your proudly ignorant, psychopathic ilk dominating American the political atmosphere, shifting the spectrum further to the right and sending this country hurtling into poverty and despair.

fark off.
 
2012-03-22 10:33:47 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Sabyen91: thamike: Sabyen91: I am skeptical of the "reasonable" people. The country has become way to retarded for me to believe it.

You're one. I'm one. We are most of the country, I'm happy to say.

I despair a bit. Liberals stayed home and we got a teabagger to replace Feingold. If the left stays home bad things happen. I am sickened by the crazy left.

Baaw, I bet you are still one of those guys who's mad at Ralph Nader for 2000. Keep calling us crazy because I bet it makes you feel better about supporting a corporatist like Obama.


How did that vote help the country?
 
2012-03-22 10:34:21 PM

Biological Ali: Actually that's why people can't take Greenwald seriously (same goes for many of his fans). Criticizing Obama is one thing, but if the premise of your argument is "He's exactly like Bush, only worse!" you're more or less asking to be ridiculed.


Come on. Even most of the Bush administration, such as Cheney, have come out on the record and said that Obama has largely continued their policies. He kept up Iraq until the Iraqi Parliament literally kicked us out by refusing his requested extension of the AUMF. He sent more troops to Afghanistan, and he's been bombing Yemen and Pakistan using cruise missiles and drones. If you think he hasn't been like Bush in his use of the military, you're pretty deluded.
 
2012-03-22 10:34:35 PM

Brian_of_Nazareth: xria: Surely this is obvious - the media is the only weapon essential for terrorism to work, and they quickly worked out that actual serious terrorist threats are not actually that essential to interfere with the process.

ftfy.

Cheers.


www.historycommons.org

/approves
 
2012-03-22 10:35:05 PM
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2012-03-22 10:35:05 PM

ox45tallboy: Why do so many Republicans like to argue that Dems shouldn't be supporting Obama because of all the things he hasn't accomplished? It's like telling a neocon war-hawk in 2004 they shouldn't support Bush because he hadn't declared Roe v. Wade null and void by executive order in his first term.


Actually, this is exactly what the Evangelicals are telling the Neo-Cons right now about Rmoney.
 
2012-03-22 10:35:28 PM

ox45tallboy: Sabyen91: They haven't? We still have the same health insurance system we did when he was elected? Frank-Dodd never happened? We never got out of Iraq? DADT is still the law of the land? The START treaty didn't happen? Medicare has been eviscerated by the right? Osama is alive? Khaddafi is leading Libya?

/I have more...

Why do so many Republicans like to argue that Dems shouldn't be supporting Obama because of all the things he hasn't accomplished? It's like telling a neocon war-hawk in 2004 they shouldn't support Bush because he hadn't declared Roe v. Wade null and void by executive order in his first term.


He isn't a Republican. He is a GAT-like idealist. While I respect it I also think it is incredibly self-destructive. Perfect being the enemy of good will get you nowhere.
 
2012-03-22 10:35:42 PM

ChemicalRummy: Educate me, oh wise one. I am merely a farkwit that heard Obama claim that all options are on the table when it comes to Iran.


John McCain was far more sane than any of the current Republican candidates, and he found it amusing to sing "Bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb Iran" to the tune of a Beach Boys song.

How droll.

Dick Cheney said of the prospect of a John Kerry presidency "The danger is that we could get hit again". Frankly, if you Americans vote in any of the GOP assholes then you will shortly be at war with Iran, and you'll have earned everything you get thereafter. You'll get no sympathy at all when it all turns to shiat for you. None.
 
2012-03-22 10:35:54 PM

Biological Ali: All of them, I reckon... in recent history, anyway. I'd be surprised if there's a single example within the last half-century or so anybody, citizen or otherwise, being executed by the US without being afforded the full trial/appeals process.


Oh, I see: your argument hinges on the legal definition of "execution." As long as assassinations are kept separate from executions, no laws have been broken, and everything is peachy-keen. What matters if the spirit of the law has been broken as long as the letter of it is followed?
 
2012-03-22 10:36:20 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Come on. Even most of the Bush administration, such as Cheney, have come out on the record and said that Obama has largely continued their policies


Why would they do that? Think hard.
 
2012-03-22 10:36:43 PM
Obama stole forty pies. That's four times ten.
 
2012-03-22 10:36:53 PM

James F. Campbell: There are legitimate criticisms against Obama insofar as overstepping the bounds of his authority, and


FTFM.
 
2012-03-22 10:37:05 PM

Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Plus, why shouldn't the goddamned Democrats be punished for not doing their farking job?

Oh, and their 'farking job' right now is trying to advance women's rights, advance gay rights, improve health care, improve the economy, and avoid another 9/11 all the while the Republicans are throwing the biggest tantrum this nation has seen in one hundred and fifty years. At least that's how I see it, but I tend to see things a little differently.

Yes, and only the Democrats can do those things. We have to accept Clintonite Democrats because they're the only political organization which is concerned about saving those things. Don't bring up the fact Clinton was just as much of a deregulating maniac as Bush, because if you bring it up Those Scary Republicans might get into power.

Obama and the Dems have done some of those things. You can stay home and make sure all of the hard fought battles end up retconned instead of Obama continuing to strive for those things. Up to you.

No, Obama and the Dems haven't done "some of those things." That's an excuse. Obama's job is to deliver a left leaning constituent base to Wall Street. That is what the national Democratic Party's job is.

They haven't? We still have the same health insurance system we did when he was elected? Frank-Dodd never happened? We never got out of Iraq? DADT is still the law of the land? The START treaty didn't happen? Medicare has been eviscerated by the right? Osama is alive? Khaddafi is leading Libya?

/I have more...


Frank-Dodd isn't enforced and is weak anyway. We have an embassy larger than Vatican City in Iraq, and the warmongering is against Iran now while the US continues to prop up dictatorships in the Middle East. DADT's repeal is deserving of praise and he should get it for that. The START Treaty is irrelevant because the Russians know they'll continue to be threatened and have missile defense shields still being placed around Russia. Obama doesn't give a shiat about Medicare; he's offered to raise the age from 65 to 67. Bin Laden's death is irrelevant; it's like killing Oppenheimer when you want to get rid of nuclear weapons. 40,000 civilians have died in Libya because of the NATO bombing and the country's infrastructure has been destroyed. Cyrenaica in eastern Libya has declared its independence, likely leading to tribal warfare for a long time to come. Plus it was a civil war in Libya; it's not like Egypt where Mubarak only had support amongst the elites and therefore the vast majority of the population would turn on him.
 
2012-03-22 10:37:24 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Come on. Even most of the Bush administration, such as Cheney, have come out on the record and said that Obama has largely continued their policies. He kept up Iraq until the Iraqi Parliament literally kicked us out by refusing his requested extension of the AUMF. He sent more troops to Afghanistan, and he's been bombing Yemen and Pakistan using cruise missiles and drones. If you think he hasn't been like Bush in his use of the military, you're pretty deluded.


"Largely" (whatever your threshold for "largely" might be) continuing Bush's policies would still put Obama to the left of Bush.
 
2012-03-22 10:37:48 PM

Solid Muldoon: Obama stole forty pies. That's four times ten.


And that's terrible.
 
2012-03-22 10:39:45 PM

MrSteve007: The downfall of US media was sealed with the signing on the 1996 Telecommunications act - specifically its gutting of public service requirements, local programming requirements, and ownership limits.

It opened the floodgates so a handful of national mega-corps could buy up all the local TV and radio affiliates from family owned companies (the previous ownership rules limited them to 1 TV station, 2 radio and no newspapers). That way, they could take 8 separately owned entities/broadcast outlets in every market and merge them into 1. In doing so, they could gut 3/4's of the staff and then syndicate, automate & voice-track the entirety of the day. Since they didn't have to create only but a fraction of 'local' content to serve their public, all of that was relegated to the ratings ghetto of 5 am Sunday morning.

They also cut newsroom staff in half and doubled their workload. It takes time to create quality journalism pieces (real investigations, in-depth stories). Since there aren't enough resources and each reporter has to turn out several stories each day, they're limited to repurposing national stories or reporting on simple local crime, government, weather, traffic, weather, or opinion stories.

And people wonder why TV & radio sucks? It's simple. Corporations.


THIS!
 
2012-03-22 10:40:11 PM

James F. Campbell: Biological Ali: All of them, I reckon... in recent history, anyway. I'd be surprised if there's a single example within the last half-century or so anybody, citizen or otherwise, being executed by the US without being afforded the full trial/appeals process.

Oh, I see: your argument hinges on the legal definition of "execution." As long as assassinations are kept separate from executions, no laws have been broken, and everything is peachy-keen. What matters if the spirit of the law has been broken as long as the letter of it is followed?


No, the argument hinges on a shared understanding by most English-speakers that "executed" is not a synonym for "killed in a military operation".
 
2012-03-22 10:40:25 PM

Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Sabyen91: thamike: Sabyen91: I am skeptical of the "reasonable" people. The country has become way to retarded for me to believe it.

You're one. I'm one. We are most of the country, I'm happy to say.

I despair a bit. Liberals stayed home and we got a teabagger to replace Feingold. If the left stays home bad things happen. I am sickened by the crazy left.

Baaw, I bet you are still one of those guys who's mad at Ralph Nader for 2000. Keep calling us crazy because I bet it makes you feel better about supporting a corporatist like Obama.

How did that vote help the country?


You don't remember this?


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2012-03-22 10:40:39 PM
TURN NOT AWAY FROM ME, LEST YOU SHALL SURELY DIE!

Love always,
Your Television
 
2012-03-22 10:41:13 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Sabyen91: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: Plus, why shouldn't the goddamned Democrats be punished for not doing their farking job?

Oh, and their 'farking job' right now is trying to advance women's rights, advance gay rights, improve health care, improve the economy, and avoid another 9/11 all the while the Republicans are throwing the biggest tantrum this nation has seen in one hundred and fifty years. At least that's how I see it, but I tend to see things a little differently.

Yes, and only the Democrats can do those things. We have to accept Clintonite Democrats because they're the only political organization which is concerned about saving those things. Don't bring up the fact Clinton was just as much of a deregulating maniac as Bush, because if you bring it up Those Scary Republicans might get into power.

Obama and the Dems have done some of those things. You can stay home and make sure all of the hard fought battles end up retconned instead of Obama continuing to strive for those things. Up to you.

No, Obama and the Dems haven't done "some of those things." That's an excuse. Obama's job is to deliver a left leaning constituent base to Wall Street. That is what the national Democratic Party's job is.

They haven't? We still have the same health insurance system we did when he was elected? Frank-Dodd never happened? We never got out of Iraq? DADT is still the law of the land? The START treaty didn't happen? Medicare has been eviscerated by the right? Osama is alive? Khaddafi is leading Libya?

/I have more...

Frank-Dodd isn't enforced and is weak anyway. We have an embassy larger than Vatican City in Iraq, and the warmongering is against Iran now while the US continues to prop up dictatorships in the Middle East. DADT's repeal is deserving of praise and he should get it for that. The START Treaty is irrelevant because the Russians know they'll continue to be thre ...


Yeah, Frank-Dodd isn't strong enough because of blue dogs and republicans. I am not sure how you think that is Obama's fault. You think a large embassy in Iraq means something? Please tell me what. Obama is saber-rattling against Iran? Citation please.

/Ok, I got to the "Obama doesn't care about Medicare" and I realized the idealistic left IS as dumb as the teabaggers.
 
2012-03-22 10:41:48 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Biological Ali: Actually that's why people can't take Greenwald seriously (same goes for many of his fans). Criticizing Obama is one thing, but if the premise of your argument is "He's exactly like Bush, only worse!" you're more or less asking to be ridiculed.

Come on. Even most of the Bush administration, such as Cheney, have come out on the record and said that Obama has largely continued their policies. He kept up Iraq until the Iraqi Parliament literally kicked us out by refusing his requested extension of the AUMF. He sent more troops to Afghanistan, and he's been bombing Yemen and Pakistan using cruise missiles and drones. If you think he hasn't been like Bush in his use of the military, you're pretty deluded.


I take that with a grain of salt. Cheney's also come out in favor of gay marriage. During the Bush/Cheney years, the administration took the position of a South Korean-type occupation of 50 years or more. It seems more like they're revising history, and now saying Obama's policies are just doing what they set into motion anyhow. Obama's strategy worked, so it must have been a Republican plan that Obama's following.
 
2012-03-22 10:42:24 PM

James F. Campbell: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: SHUT UP! SCAAARY TEABAGGERS! SCAAARY REPUBLICANS! DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT KEEPING CORPORATISTS OUT OF POWER? THEN YOU BETTER VOTE OBAMA, YOU CRAZY COMMUNIST!

Quiet, farktard. Some of us understand nuance. There are legitimate criticisms against Obama insofar, and Greenwald correctly raises and explains a number of them. Just because, however, I agree with these criticisms, doesn't mean I'm going to vote Republican.

Just because morons like you say "both sides are bad so vote Republican" doesn't mean it's actually true:
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Yes, it's a problem that there are some "liberals" who seem more interested in blindly supporting Obama than acknowledging his mistakes, but more than that, I'm tired of your proudly ignorant, psychopathic ilk dominating American the political atmosphere, shifting the spectrum further to the right and sending this country hurtling into poverty and despair.

fark off.


I was mocking the notion that the Democrats are the only thing that separates us from a baggin' theocracy. I wasn't supporting the Randian fascists at all. Obama is better than them, but we shouldn't have to settle for a Clintonite Democratic Party; that's the case I was trying to make with my satirical post.
 
2012-03-22 10:43:07 PM

Sabyen91: ChemicalRummy: Educate me, oh wise one. I am merely a farkwit that heard Obama claim that all options are on the table when it comes to Iran.

Wait, you think Obama should take things off the table to weaken his hand? He did that in the healthcare debate. And you flipped (rightfully so).


Nice deflection. Still waiting on your explanation of the foreign policy difference between Santorum and Obama.
 
2012-03-22 10:43:31 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Come on. Even most of the Bush administration, such as Cheney, have come out on the record and said that Obama has largely continued their policies. He kept up Iraq until the Iraqi Parliament literally kicked us out by refusing his requested extension of the AUMF. He sent more troops to Afghanistan, and he's been bombing Yemen and Pakistan using cruise missiles and drones. If you think he hasn't been like Bush in his use of the military, you're pretty deluded.


I have almost enough scrotum to cover your eyes too, you ragged twat. Nobody says what you just said with a straight face without bashing his face with a telephone. Even if it was just an automatic response, it should have been.
 
2012-03-22 10:44:17 PM

Sabyen91: Ya know, thamike isn't one of those that would throw away the concept of due process so I am not sure what you are saying.


I refuse to consider anyone who supports the "targeted killing" of Anwar al Awlaki a liberal. Here, read what the ACLU has to say about it:

"A program of targeted killing far from any battlefield, without charge or trial, violates the constitutional guarantee of due process. It also violates international law, under which lethal force may be used outside armed conflict zones only as a last resort to prevent imminent threats, when non-lethal means are not available. Targeting people who are suspected of terrorism for execution, far from any war zone, turns the whole world into a battlefield." - "Frequently Asked Questions about Targeted Killing," ACLU (new window)
 
2012-03-22 10:44:19 PM

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2012-03-22 10:44:45 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: but we shouldn't have to settle for a Clintonite Democratic Party; that's the case I was trying to make with my satirical post.


i'll ask again.

you've stated who you won't vote for, and why.

who will you vote for, and why?
 
2012-03-22 10:45:53 PM

Sabyen91: I realized the idealistic left IS as dumb as the teabaggers.


They all are. This is a Year of Enlightenment. While the rabble grows louder the minds will push through.

And sh*t--worst comes to worst, I'll move to Copenhagen.
 
2012-03-22 10:46:05 PM

ChemicalRummy: Sabyen91: ChemicalRummy: Educate me, oh wise one. I am merely a farkwit that heard Obama claim that all options are on the table when it comes to Iran.

Wait, you think Obama should take things off the table to weaken his hand? He did that in the healthcare debate. And you flipped (rightfully so).

Nice deflection. Still waiting on your explanation of the foreign policy difference between Santorum and Obama.


Huh? Your statement that Obama's and Santorum's foreign policy would be the same is pretty worthless since Santorum only talks about social issues.
 
2012-03-22 10:46:46 PM

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2012-03-22 10:46:54 PM

James F. Campbell: I refuse to consider anyone who supports the "targeted killing" of Anwar al Awlaki a liberal.


Then don't call me a liberal.
 
2012-03-22 10:47:09 PM

Sabyen91: He isn't a Republican. He is a GAT-like idealist. While I respect it I also think it is incredibly self-destructive. Perfect being the enemy of good will get you nowhere.


I disagree. Santorum is definitely the idealist. Rmoney is (according to his speeches) whoever the polls say he should be, and (according to his actions) whoever his campaign donors say he should be.

I don't know which is more dangerous.
 
2012-03-22 10:47:19 PM

James F. Campbell: I refuse to consider anyone who supports the "targeted killing" of Anwar al Awlaki a liberal. Here, read what the ACLU has to say about it:


You can refuse all you like. You are not the person that can make that call though.
 
2012-03-22 10:47:32 PM

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2012-03-22 10:47:45 PM

heap: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: but we shouldn't have to settle for a Clintonite Democratic Party; that's the case I was trying to make with my satirical post.

i'll ask again.

you've stated who you won't vote for, and why.

who will you vote for, and why?


Likely Green, but I'm not too happy about it. Would vote for Nader in a heartbeat if he was going to run, whether it was with the Greens or as an independent. He's stopped campaigning though.
 
2012-03-22 10:48:00 PM

Sabyen91: Your statement that Obama's and Santorum's foreign policy would be the same


i thought santorum's policy was that obama is foreign.

that's close.
 
2012-03-22 10:48:11 PM

ox45tallboy: Sabyen91: He isn't a Republican. He is a GAT-like idealist. While I respect it I also think it is incredibly self-destructive. Perfect being the enemy of good will get you nowhere.

I disagree. Santorum is definitely the idealist. Rmoney is (according to his speeches) whoever the polls say he should be, and (according to his actions) whoever his campaign donors say he should be.

I don't know which is more dangerous.


Santorum, the true believer would do much more damage, in my opinion.
 
2012-03-22 10:49:37 PM

heap: Sabyen91: Your statement that Obama's and Santorum's foreign policy would be the same

i thought santorum's policy was that obama is foreign.

that's close.


Heh.
 
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